The video actually shows how good of a 1b tino Martinez was.

@ST69

2 жыл бұрын

Tino was fucking awesome

@sinchman1

Жыл бұрын

That's correct Tino saved Jeter

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

@@sinchman1LOL. 40,000th best first basemen of all time saves top 1% SS 😂

Rafael Palmeiro once won a gold glove in a year he was DH-ing for two thirds of the season, man, gold glove voters were kinda out of their minds until they started looking at advanced stats.

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

And even then, the voting process is still only slightly better lol

Jeter started winning Gold Gloves when the Yankees signed ARod and moved him to third base lol. I remember being so confused when they did that. No one considered him a better SS than ARod. He was just "The Captain" and the face of the franchise and no one was going to mess with that. No matter how you feel about ARod, he was a team guy for agreeing to move to third even knowing he was the better player.

If Jeter had moved to third when A Rod came to town, he would have made better use of his defensive strengths - ability to track pop ups and a strong throwing arm. Thus helping his team. Not very Captain like.

@kelvinsudirman4072

2 жыл бұрын

this has always been in my mind. had A-Rod played shortstop with the Yankees there's strong chance he's gonna be remembered as the GOAT shortstop. by the way, what do you think of the chance of Jeter playing in center field? would he make a better player than if he played third base?

@rayhanquesada6147

2 жыл бұрын

Ehh we’ll never know because a-rod mobility declined heavily as well . Remember a-rod had a very big frame

@Yoda35421

Жыл бұрын

ARod was also getting old at the same time. ARod embraced the challenge of switching positions. Jeter didn’t understand that and admitted he couldn’t do it after ARod joined the team.

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

Guess you didn't watch many of his games or the plays he made

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

A-Rod begged to come to Jeter’s team. He said he would move to third because he was desperate to play for a winner. If Jeter had begged to go to Arods team, it would be Jeter who had to move. A-rod cost the Yankees many playoff games with his lack of hitting in the clutch (2009 he actually came through). Jeter cost the Yankees literally 0 big games and 0 games overall that I can think of with his defense. He was an ok SS who lost some range in his mid 30s. A-Rod couldn’t catch a damn pop-up. Talk about overrated.

Derek was a great hitter but had no range in the field. He made routine plays look incredible because he was making up for his inability to move. My one complaint on the video is that you didn’t unpack the DRS and it’s calculation.

@natweiner5199

2 жыл бұрын

Jeter was a good hitter. Not a great hitter. Nowhere near Ruth, DiMaggio, Keller, Mantle.

@soldemers7809

2 жыл бұрын

@@natweiner5199 6th on the all time hit list… he was a great hitter

@kelvinsudirman4072

2 жыл бұрын

hypothetically speaking, if Arod filled the shortstop position after his trade, what position do you think Jeter should move to? would he be better at center field or third base? or other position?

@TyKOmain

2 жыл бұрын

@@kelvinsudirman4072 Who knows. I like him at 3rd, left, or second

@SportsSpeak73

2 жыл бұрын

@@kelvinsudirman4072 he couldn't play 3rd as while he had a decent arm, I doubt see him making those longer throws on a regular basis. I could ve wrong but that's my opinion. His best position would've likely been 2nd but the problem there is the Yankees had Cano incoming.

For as much deserved hate A-Rod gets, I will give him credit for being willing to move to 3B when he arguably should've been at SS for the rest of the decade.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

I was just talking to a good friend of mine about this today. I agree for the most part, although for over $250+ million I'd probably play whatever position they told me to play lol

@IWantToBelieve1

2 жыл бұрын

There was no argument, it was obvious to everyone at the time

The Yankees making A-Rod, who was as good at short as Cal Ripken, move from SS to 3B was an absolute travesty

@zitofan4life

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same as it was happening, as I’m sure many did. Having the (admittedly far from perfect) defensive stats and metrics to better understand how bad Jeet Yet was at the 6 makes it that much funnier as a non NY fan And for all the poor choices he made, I don’t recall hearing anyone give any credit to A Rod for moving and not making a scene. Granted Im not from that region nor do I frequent NYY fanboy forums. I’m sure it was partially self serving to do so, but I think deserves a mention

@chrisbartolini1508

Жыл бұрын

I always thought Jeter would’ve actually made a fine defensive third baseman. His range would’ve been honestly perfect for it.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

Жыл бұрын

A-Rod had a hard time with pop ups. No major leaguer who has that much trouble with pop ups is a great fielder.

@TheLockdownKidNYC

Жыл бұрын

@@zitofan4life you wish you loved anything as much as A-Rod loved diving for grounders at 3B.

@asmrdesigned

Жыл бұрын

Not really 😂. Did you actually watch the Yankees? in some ways Jeter was absolutely a superior SS, but all the haters will harp on his limited range past his prime.

I've always wondered why they gave this dude multiple gold gloves over much better defensive SS of that era.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

No one is immune to confirmation bias, and that especially includes award voters prior to when statistical analysis officially played a role in choosing the Gold Glove winners each year.

@brettjohnston4700

Жыл бұрын

The people who vote for gold gloves are managers and coaches. Ask either of them “how many games do you watch that you’re not involved in” They will probably say none, they don’t have the time.

@unkledoda420

Жыл бұрын

They gave Rafael Palmeiro a gold glove for first base in 1999. He only played 28 games there all year, he spent the rest of the season at DH. They made some crazy decisions for gold glove awards in that era.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseballThis video is a good example of this fact.

This aged well lol

He made all the routine plays , and of course as he got older he wouldn’t move the same. Happens to everyone. But to be shortstop for one organization for 20 years… you must be doing something right out there.

@jacobsinohui1421

2 жыл бұрын

misses the point moron he’s good just not insane like they praise him to be

@josephsilvano9707

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobsinohui1421 he is good normally, but GREAT in the clutch

@thekiid3

2 жыл бұрын

Yea his offense and fame. Why tf would the yankees remove one of their top bats and their biggest attraction who raked in millions. But he sucked on defense, even his dives are not that of a elite defenders. Go watch andrelton simmons, carlos correa, or troy tulowitzki defensive highlights. Elite shortstops are explosive and have completely outrageous range. Jeter could barely make it to first lol 😂

@jamesdime6865

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda funny because I really don’t recall all these people claiming he was insanely good on defense. Fact is that he was a well rounded defender. That’s the problem with morons now these days. They want all the fancy diving plays. Baseball has added so many stupid stats over the years to sound fancy. DRS and WAR are so stupid. Y’all would be licking your chops to have Jeter in his prime on your squad playing SS.

@trapez77

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobsinohui1421 consistency is an overlooked trait as a player

I am confused, this is a video about how bad Jeter was supposed to be. Every clip seems to prove otherwise. I watched him for 20 years and NEVER thought he didn't belong out there. ARod moving to third, regardless of who was better was expected, Jeter was there already. I'm pretty sure this came up before the Yankees pulled the triggeron the trade. Arod got a ring for it. I do not trust the Ttot stat for sure. If you want to PROVE it, make a video overlaying the range of Jeter vs. other shortstops. I also am wondering about what affect having outstanding third or second basemen have on the performance of a shortstop. Either way, he didn't fool anyone in regards to his range and althletism. This video proves it. I didn't watch Orioles games when they were not playing the Yankees, but I never felt like Ripken was an elite defender when the Yankees played him.

Interesting video. It would be a cool follow up if you could go through the basics of DRS to add some context and maybe how changes to the game during and after Jeter's career could influence it.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, when I do videos like this in the future, I plan on putting more context on the stats I use because it is important. Looking back on this video five months later there’s definitely some things I’d change about it, and that is one of them

@tylerstephens8875

3 жыл бұрын

Think u should re due it bro lol updated version lol

@stevenkunzer7289

10 ай бұрын

I understand DRS for players currently, what I don’t understand is DRS for players from past when game film wasn’t widely available at least not enough games to really make a judgement on a player’s defense.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

@@stevenkunzer7289Thats because it’s completely made up 😂

I'm a Yankee fan and was a season ticket holder from 1999-2008. Derek was an average fielder. However, the bat was clutch, and when a hit was needed he could deliver. He was a great hitter.

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is what the narrative about Jeter should be. He is arguably the greatest offensive shortstop of all time

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

He made the great plays when needed that no one else could make

@kdutch98

6 ай бұрын

​@@garyt19651many shortstops made those same plays look routine

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

@@kdutch98😂. Haters gon’ hate

I know drs is a stat that stands for defensive performance but you didn’t explain what it actually means. In other words you didn’t explain why he’s a bad defensive player; was it his range, his arm, did he make a lot of errors…etc. Just constructive criticism, no hate at all. Keep it up, man!

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I get that. The main reason why I didn't go into much detail there is because the purpose of this video was not to explain why he was a bad defender, but rather to explain why people thought he was good when he wasn't. For the record though, DRS stands for defensive runs saved, which is exactly what it sounds like. It uses a metric known as Ultimate Zone Rating (which basically measures a players range and how many plays they are able to get to/make on the field) to figure out how many outs a player makes compared to others at their position, and from there calculates how many runs that player saved on defense as a result. With Jeter, his problem was his range - he didn't get a good jump on batted balls and he didn't have the speed/acceleration to get to balls that other shortstops would get. Glad you enjoyed the video!

@TheMattedz

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball great explanation, my guy. Thanks for taking some time to do that! Cheers!

What's the song that plays in your intro? I didn't find it in the Music list. I think it's an 8-bit version of a pop song?

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

It’s an 8-bit version of Space Oddity by David Bowie

I feel like this statistic was created with the sole purpose of finding fault in Derek Jeter.

@user-wt8im2ro1p

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@floridastateleagueclips4755

2 жыл бұрын

No

@sportsfaniguess154

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it worked.

@SeedTheAvocado

Жыл бұрын

cringe

@jeffgr7657

Жыл бұрын

yep

Thank you for this. When ARod got traded to NYY and moved to 3B I told my NYY fan friends it was a mistake, ARod should stay at SS. I couldn't put my finger on it then, but watching Ripken so many years with underappreciated defense because he wasn't spry like Ozzie Smith...but Jeter was no Ripken. With advanced stats and hindsight it was basically that Jeter was very athletic looking and he hustled hard, but somehow had no range. He was popular and had way too many jock sniffers that boosted his perception (as covered well here) Also another fun argument: Jeter should have been dropped to 8th or 9th in the lineup his last couple years instead of staying at the top of the order.

@cptsparklfingerz9210

2 жыл бұрын

Want a time machine so you can go change the past?

@vz7z179

2 жыл бұрын

@@cptsparklfingerz9210 l0l

@IWantToBelieve1

2 жыл бұрын

@@cptsparklfingerz9210 Go to to the past and never write that comment

@IWantToBelieve1

2 жыл бұрын

Jeter should’ve played 2nd

@cptsparklfingerz9210

2 жыл бұрын

@@IWantToBelieve1 nah he's was a SS and a damn good one. Hence why he's in the Hall of Fame. You mad bro? Sure as hell seem it.

If Jeter enjoyed unfair positive bias because of his personality than AROD was his exact opposite getting tons of negative bias despite many seasons with great numbers.

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

True, but its a little different with A-Rod because we all know how he achieved those great numbers

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

Жыл бұрын

Stats lie all the time. This is something that people who think they know baseball but don’t need to learn. A-Rod was ridiculed for years for hitting home runs when they didn’t matter. Dude never did anything clutch until 2009. Jeter on the other hand was captain clutch. If you had 25 Jeters, you’d win every year.

He was not the worse. Actually one of the best considering the number games he played in his TWENTY year career. He just had a high baseball I. Q. and made the gameblook easy. Forget the matrics... Solid.... rarely made errors and always was in the right place at the right time.

I think you did a great job here. It will touch a never with alot of Yankee fans but the truth hurts. At the same time you demonstrated why he was also so great.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@gdo3510

2 жыл бұрын

Truth is he’s the most beloved Yankees in the modern era and for good reason. This video doesn’t take into account the wins his offense gave us.

@brettjohnston4700

Жыл бұрын

@@gdo3510 which could have been accomplished if he was at 2nd, LF or DH And he only had an OPS+ of 115 for his career.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

Жыл бұрын

@@brettjohnston4700”A team that won 4 championships in 5 years should have made a drastic change.” - do you see how stupid you sound now?

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

The truth is that DRS is a made up stat that doesn’t take into consideration the first 7 years of Jeter’s career anyway.

Good video..I saw almost every game Jeter played in. He definitely lost a step towards the end of his career...but when it mattered most as it pertains to winning both defensively or offensively he came up big. Sterling said it perfectly he's a winner period!

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Jeter is a legend, there is no denying it - one of the best leaders and best offensive shortstops the game has ever seen

@e2go

2 жыл бұрын

He was a terrible defensive shortstop long before he "lost a step" that should've been moved when the more highly regarded and more decorated shortstop ARod was brought in. No one on the planet thought Jeter was better than ARod. The Yankees decided to make a branding move instead of doing what was best for the team to win baseball games. Completely insane. Who know how many games that cost the Yankees during the regular seasons of those years that could've put them in better positions for the postseason because the Yankees had some cult level fixation with keeping this liability at one of the most key positions on the field lol. Literally the worst defensive player of all-time by some metrics🤣

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

100% correct in my book

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

@@e2goA-Rod costs the Yankees many big games with his lack of hitting in the clutch. Jeter cost the Yankees literally 0 games with his defense.

Don't forget the very intelligent sportscasters and their man crush on Jeter. Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan, two excellent play by play commentators, bought into Jeter worship hook line and sinker.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. Because they’re baseball men. Baseball men who won. You and the stat geeks are not. They knew what they were talking about. You don’t.

As a Yankee fan, I mostly agree, especially at the end of his career.

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

I am genuinely surprised to find a Yankee fan posting a reasonable comment on this video, kudos to you sir

@kelvinsudirman4072

2 жыл бұрын

hypothetically speaking, if Arod filled the shortstop position after his trade, what position do you think Jeter should move to? would he be better at center field or third base? or other position?

@eliasalx8585

2 жыл бұрын

@@kelvinsudirman4072 2nd base

@e2go

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasalx8585 I always thought that would've made sense.

And to be fair, he was at shortstop, which generally has the best fielders. So essentially, he could be considered one of the worst of the best. If he were in the OF or maybe even 2B we wouldn't be talking about this. And I assume he had slightly better range before 2002 when they started tracking UZR. He definitely should've been moved his last few years.

All of what you said was correct. But what made Jeter special was that he ran out every ground ball and did all the fundamental things correctly which is why we got "The Flip"... or watched him get a base hit when he ran out a ground ball and the first baseman bobbled the ball... or watching him avoid being tagged out in a rundown because he was completely situationally aware. He played the game like we were all taught as a kid and he did at the highest level.

@TheLockdownKidNYC

2 жыл бұрын

Out of the box with every swing. A _dead_ art and I hate that it's dead.

@jonny-dp2qr

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLockdownKidNYCarraez is one of a couple I can think of

@TheLockdownKidNYC

Жыл бұрын

@@jonny-dp2qr Oh there's a few but mostly, everyone wants a highlight reel swing.

You could show me as many metrics as you want. But you can’t find me a compilation of bad defense from jeter

@kylesylvester5635

3 жыл бұрын

There’s in this very video some of those diving stops he made are routine for a better fielder like an aderlton simmions but the diving play catches your eye more but doesn’t mean it’s better

@Xdawgs1118

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody has the rights to all those clips bud

@captaino16

3 жыл бұрын

That's actually what I searched to find this video

@ezz4361

3 жыл бұрын

@@captaino16 Same

@TyKOmain

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylesylvester5635 Facts. You dont need to see any stats to know Jeter had no range.

He was just showing made the cut’s Derek Jeter highlights video

Jeters defensive highlight reel is at best a half dozen or so exceptional plays. The jump throws and a few ill-considered swan dives into the stands.

@lolbronnydead

2 жыл бұрын

The jump throws almost all as a result of needed to do that because his lack of range puts him in that situation

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

Жыл бұрын

@@lolbronnydeadLOL, dude went deep in the hole to make those plays. Other than maybe Vizquel and Rey Ordonez, that is routine for nobody. Stop this nonsense.

I mean, even with all these stats saying how bad he was on defense. The arguments on if he's even that great. He's a 5x Gold Glove, 5x Silver Slugger, 5x World Champ, and a first ballot Hall of Famer. He was perfect for the Yankees and was the center point of their dynasty.

@dmora7643

Жыл бұрын

Had the voters used the advanced stats that they use now, Jeter would have zero Gold Gloves. Even with his poor range compared to other shortstops, he’s still an obvious HOFer.

The "Jeter" jump throw is the main evidence that Jeters reputation is more propaganda than skill, because every single good SS make that throw at least three times in a season. Why should we hear about Jeter when that play is made as he was the inventor of the play. Come one, at least hundred of SS made that play before him. But maybe they were not the SS of the most mediatic team.

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say propaganda, just good timing and marketing. My main issue with those plays isn't the jump throw itself, but the fact that it was even necessary. Those plays were a product of Jeter's shallow range - many shortstops would be able to backhand them and get off a strong throw for the out.

I have been racking my brain on what is the best statistic for defense. DRS or UZR?

FYI analytics also says Mattingly was a terrible defender when he was one of the best defensive first basemen. Defensive ANALytics are trash and should be completely overhauled before being brought up again.

Your channel is awesome man you deserve more than 1k subs :)

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, I appreciate it!

@andrewjones9634

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball ay keep it up dude these videos are super entertaining

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewjones9634 Will do!

You know i actually met jeter in real life when i was a bouncer in downtown Baltimore....was actually the nicest guy and honestly ive never seen sooo many women throw themselves at him lol

He had short range and an avg arm. But he made all the plays on balls be could get to. He had less errors than Ozzie Smith and 2 points less in career fielding percentage.

I've felt like this my whole life...

7 WS appearances and 5 Championships cover all things. Still love the Captain #2! Thank you for being once a Yankee, always a Yankee!

@budddwyer1269

2 жыл бұрын

Baseballs a team sport lmao stop acting like jeters the only reason the Yankees were making it to the plays and we’re successful cuz of him

@budddwyer1269

2 жыл бұрын

Playoffs

@DaDitka

9 ай бұрын

Winning does cover a multitude of failures.

This came off as a strictly opinion piece if not a slam piece. Plz explain the formula for your statistics. Give us comparisons. Who should have won his gold gloves. You just wenge for nine minutes that "he sucks because I say so". Prior to defensive statistical analysis Honus Wagner was considered the best not just because of his bat but his willingness to try to make the miracle play. He put his heart and body into every pennant run (the name of the game,right). Statistically or not, aside from his bat, there are few shortstops that could make that magic. He IS one of the best. Period.

Interesting video, don't let all the angry people in these comments tell you otherwise. Baseball fans are notoriously stubborn, if you're making this many people upset then odds are you're making a good point lmao

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, appreciate the support. I just wanted to make a video about cognitive bias, but instead I learned how personally offended people get when you mention anything negative about Jeter lol

I have a doubt, Who's was better Rivera or Hoffman?

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

I gotta go with Rivera personally, but Hoffman certainly had a great career. Let’s not pit two all-time greats against each other lol

@SDSOverfiend

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball But let’s put Derek Jeter against the World because this is a hot take and you wanted the traffic. 😉

@MiguelGarcia-mx7jl

2 жыл бұрын

@Robert Spence so what can you say about the teammates make much easier get to thr 9 inning whit more tha 2 or 3 runs for him to sv.

There's another video on KZread that shows Joba Chamberlain accidentally plunking Jeter, and Joba looked at if he wanted to punish himself horribly for doing so. When one sportswriter voted against him going into the HOF the Post called that writer an idiot or something to that effect. Did we leave America and go somewhere where you're not allowed to vote against Jeter? What is it about Jeter worship?

@dantedlane2

2 жыл бұрын

3000

They should of kept A-rod at ss and moved Jeter to 3rd base or LF

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

I can only imagine how pissed off New Yorkers would have gotten if ARod forced Jeter into left field, but I’d be intrigued to see what that would have looked like

@dbreiden83080

3 жыл бұрын

A-Roid was coming To Jeter's team.. Yanks won 4 WS with Jeter at SS.. So that was never happening..

@johnsonmark65

3 жыл бұрын

@@dbreiden83080 arod was still a way better ss, also jeter was never the best player or most important factor when the Yankees were winning championships(or after that).

@dbreiden83080

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnsonmark65 He was a huge reason why they won to even suggest otherwise is idiotic. Clutch hitting, great defensive plays, leadership, you had to watch the team every day I’m guessing you didn’t. He was the leader of the team, and Alex is coming to his team. You don’t get to take his position. Plus Alex was not even a great Yankee if you asked me. He never really fit in. Basically took tons of steroids and acted like a moron. He pretty much always struck out in every big situation in the playoffs.

@dbreiden83080

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnsonmark65 By the way in terms of position players during the championship seasons Jeter was absolutely the best player. Mariano Rivera might’ve been the most important Yankee because of his dominance with pitching. But Derek Jeter is the only one in the Hall of Fame of the group that won those championships together from 1996 until 2000. Jeter 2000 WS MVP..

Cool vid and all, but where's the bad defensive plays??? All I saw in this vid were pretty damn great plays by Jeter. I moslty believe the defensive sabermetrics, especially if all of them say a player is good or vice versa, but nobody ever shows the evidence for the bad Jeter plays, so its kinda hard to believe em

i knew he was a shortstop that was not great defensively AA Greensboro when he was 19 he made 53 errors so that is how it started

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, they were actually thinking about sending him into the outfield at that time for that exact reason

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

and he made him a good defensive player with hard work

DJ defense obsession is real. Of course your range will decrease as you age, also didn’t help he was playing on a very bad ankle the last 4 years of his career. I keep trying to find KZread videos of a compilation of his terrible defense but I can’t find any. Weird.

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

1) His defense and range were bad even in his prime 2) You can be a bad defender without being on a blooper reel - nobody is going to make a compilation of Jeter letting ground balls go through the hole but it doesn't mean it didn't happen a lot 3) I praise him for his offensive ability later in the video - I'm not "obsessed" with his defense, I just wanted to do a video about confirmation bias and Jeter's defense is a perfect example

I was never alive to see Derek jeter play but my dad watched him play and he says that he was great because not only did he make great plays but he knew what to do on every play.

@HunterJs2

2 жыл бұрын

Well your dad is not very observant.

@albundy8192

2 жыл бұрын

it is called baseball brains.

@jeffsan4996

Жыл бұрын

Your dad is right. I got to see him play and he had a lot of baseball IQ

The stats are bad and the eye test doesn’t pass. A lot of falling over because he’s slow and reaction isn’t great. Arm isn’t that good either. However he’s a great ballplayer overall. I think he got the nod for gold gloves because he’s on the cash cow Yankees among other things like HOF potential. Similar to verlander getting a cy young over cole in 2019 and altuve getting mvp over judge in 2017. You get a like for that 8 bit Bowie intro. Cheers

Coming from a yankees fan, this definitely opened my eyes to see how we may perceive something that differently than it actually is. Yet i do disagree with the premise of the video that jeter was a bad defensive shortstop. Fundementally he was a bad defensive shortstop, but there were no other shortstops that had the baseball iq to make some of the plays Jeter had. So while yes people overrate his defense, and on paper he isn't a great defender, looking at the bigger picture shows that he was a fundamentally inconsistent shortstop yet with an iq of the game that was like no other.

@kelvinsudirman4072

2 жыл бұрын

hypothetically speaking, if Arod filled the shortstop position after his trade, what position do you think Jeter should move to? would he be better at center field or third base? or other position?

@Schwedeballz

2 жыл бұрын

@@kelvinsudirman4072 wide receiver

Still boggles me that they brought in arod and put him at 3rd instead of moving "the captain"

I understand why everyone thought he was a really great defender, as they didnt have easy access to advanced statistics back then and jeter made the flashy plays

@chapmanuberalles1896

2 жыл бұрын

Yo

@petersonofleo11

2 жыл бұрын

Making simple defensive plays look way more difficult than they actually were.

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

and he made ALL the routine plays

Jeter made easy plays look hard. Ripken made hard plays look easy.

You can analytic anything to death and make Joe Dimaggio look like batting chump.....give me a break. Jeter is a class act and outstanding leader period.

It would be nice if these highlights included a combination of Jeters bad plays as well, because upon watching these highlights I'm thinking perhaps he wasn't as slow as I remember.

I enjoyed this video. I grew up thinking Derek Jeter was as good as it gets on all aspects of the game. Eventually, I looked into and heard rumblings about his defense. So, I read articles and videos like this and really took them all in. Confused, I thought "I gotta watch some highlights videos because he made some great plays." But then I noticed something...something very _very_ annoying. Every video had the same freaking 9 plays. Even videos made in 2022 about Derek Jeter's defensive highlights are always the _same_ plays. Every. Time. Why are there 50 videos with all the same material? It's irritating seeing the stupid 98 jump throw, and the flip, and the dive into the stands, and the 2000 World Series throw. 20 years worth of plays and nobody can dig up something maybe a bit more forgotten? Well, probably because as Hollywood as those plays were...for a 20 year career, that's all he had which sucks because I know he was out there every game with only a few stints on the DL. But I guess that's the reality.

Supports what I and others have thought for a long time. His popularity and exposure on the Yankees hid the truth.

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say “hid the truth,” it’s more like planting a false idea in people’s minds. When all you ever see from him are his highlights and they’re played over and over again for decades, it shapes how people people think of him as a defender

@e2go

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball That's hiding the truth.

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

you simply don't get it.

Funny how Michael Young would also go on to win a gold glove.

Numbers are only part of his makeup. I watched just about every game in his career. He wasnt the best but he brought things to the game and clubhouse that you cant measure in statistics.

@e2go

2 жыл бұрын

That's not at all the point of this video. It's that he was a horrible defender based on statistical analysis, not that he didn't make Tino Martinez smile in the clubhouse after a bad game or some other immeasurable intangible.

@TheGodYouWishYouKnew

4 ай бұрын

@@e2goThose advanced metrics are made-up and don’t factor in the first 7 years of Jeter’s career.

Should follow up with a video of which players should have won instead the years he won

@unkledoda420

Жыл бұрын

Literally any other shortstop

“…miraculous plays that he would come up with on a regular basis.” Nuff said.

@spman2099

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, when a great defender plays baseball, they tend to make it look pretty effortless. Derek Jeter was making highly physical, desperate plays because he was pushing his abilities to their absolute limit. If he hadn't been a Yankee, he would have made it into the Hall of Fame... but probably not the first time around.

@DJVMFVME

Жыл бұрын

@@spman2099 Well said. Except, maybe Jeter somewhere else, less pressure, he hits .325 lifetime or .300 with more power (if needed and depending upon the park). In short, a different result.

Analytics are what they are. If you make the plays and your team benefits that’s the key analytic

Very good video. I don’t really care about all that analytics information. Jeter was a player who gave his all on the field night after night he played the game like no other. So what if he made a error or two or maybe A-Rod was better than him analytically speaking, but who cares about that? No analytical tool can measure his heart, love and devotion to the game. You could put all the analytic numbers in my face but there isn’t any other shortstop I’ll put in a game 7 World Series. He is Mr. Clutch for a reason. Jeter gave us his all for 20 years. He played to win and there wasn’t anyone better.

@user-wt8im2ro1p

3 жыл бұрын

Yep and he is one of the GOATS, but ppl just use stats to discredit players

@jonjohnson1978.

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-wt8im2ro1p there are players who are statistically better, that's not an opinion or emotional reaction that's simply a fact.....Jeter the player wasn't the best but he certainly brought things that Rodriguez didn't as an example like leadership which are vital

@user-wt8im2ro1p

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonjohnson1978. yep and embrace the captain role, one of the clutches players ever as well

@SirTylerGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Teams don't sign players because they give alot of effort or have a big heart

@user-wt8im2ro1p

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirTylerGolf I don't think Jeter would be worried about not getting signed lol

Quiz time: Derek Jeter played one more season than Ozzie Smith. Which player had more career errors?

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

1) Errors/Fielding Percentage don't tell you all that much about defensive value 2) Smith had over 2000 more chances than Jeter in his career 3) Smith also accrued the most defensive WAR of any *player* in baseball history

I'm convinced that a red sox fan with a Yankee hater hat determined his DRS. I watched him play in at least 50 games in the old stadium and don't recall the yips, or Buckner syndrome.

Best of the game because he is. He has the most hits of any shortstop and is 6th all time 3,465… baseball isn’t only defense. Saying he lost the most games but what about home many he won? Baseball isn’t only defense. Then saying people a bias because they see something good then think he is good… same can be said for the people saying he’s bad…

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

If you actually watched to the end of the video, I literally said that his offense was extremely underrated and made up for his poor defense. Also, I didn't say that baseball was only defense, the point is that most of Jeter's reputation was built on his defense, which was what I was exploring in this video

now lets do one on his accomplishmen👀 defense is like very verrrry important no doubt; but its not the whole game; thats why you have your backup; 16 games to lose is rough but 7 walk off hits (which isnt the highest number) but due to everyone on the team hitting during those years and him leading off wouldn’t help much; 6th on all time hits; think about how many games he helped win to get to those five 5 rings; but this is a post about defense so i understand haha

A-Rod was a much better defensive SS than Jeter ever thought of being. The Yankees would've been better served moving "the Captain" to 3B, but his enormous ego would never have let that happen...

Great video my dude, instantly subbed - the truth about the guy has been right infront of us the whole time...all this weird hype, since the 90s, I never did get it

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! I wouldn’t say it’s weird hype though, he’s definitely one of the best offensive shortstops in history, it’s just that there’s a lot of confirmation bias surrounding his defense

@foxl2020

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to agree 100% with EoCx, because after that surge from 98-99, Jeter was barely above average. Aside from three seasons where he, at least according to WAR and advanced metrics, should have been an All-Star. From 2000-2014 he mostly wasn't all-star worthy. And for anyone that wants to talk about the WS titles, he won a bunch early when the team around him was also great. I will give Jeter 98-99 all day long because he was that good those two years, but for someone who was the supposed "Captain of the Yankees" man did they do a lot of not winning World Series from 2001 until he retired in 2014 whilst throwing around the most money in baseball and only managed one more WS win in Jeter's career. I also love that in these videos everyone overlooks losing the 2003 Series to the Marlins, he was a part of the '04 team that collapsed against Boston, and only won one other WS from '01 until he retired in '14. Somehow all of this shit gets overlooked along with his defensive liability and as a collective we view Jeter as this top player of all-time with no flaws.

Buuuuuuuut Derek Jeter didnt use steroids in an era when everybody used steroids, including A-Rod

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and that should be a bigger part of his legacy considering how much he still produced offensively

@BestBestintheworld

7 ай бұрын

​@@TheDiamondBaseballwaaaah (that's you)

Omar Vizquel could have 14 Golden Gloves over Ozzie Smith, but Jeter 2004 and ARod 2002 and 2003 robe him because they were better at batting and more popular.

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

I get the point you're making, but this is probably not the right time to be defending Omar Vizquel lol

LMFAO ALL OF YOU LOPS MUST BE OLD SCHOOL BOSTON FANS.

sounds like jealosly jeter played deeper than most ss

I think the problem a lot of the commenters may have have with this video was that it was probably the first time they ever heard anybody say this about DEREK JETER. I think this video is targeted to people who had at least some familiarity with the debate.

I'm so sorry i just watched the end of this video my bad

I missed the part where you demonstrate how jeter was a bad defensive player.

These metrics are completely made up and differ from person to person. They mean nothing. Jeter made the big play and was clutch his whole career. If you had 25 Jeters you’d win every year.

Jeter still in y’all’s head lol

So he didn't have range. Not everyone who has great range is a great defender, and some players just use what God gave them to the max. When I was in HS, I was one of the slowest players on my team, yet I played my share of games in Centerfield, not due to injuries or kids not showing up, but because I tracked the ball very well off the bat.

@tjtribble.

Жыл бұрын

Range isn’t just speed. If you could track the ball off the bat really well, then it sounds like you had pretty good range.

His glove tells you alot about what ikunda player he was! SS with the ol pitcher/walmart web! Im not shitting on basket web, but if I am a pro & they give me my own model , not only that it obviously didnt work for him, or did it Count the Gold Gloves, Cal Ripken Jr has 2! Smh

i watched every game jeter played. show the errors...go ahead. show us his mistakes that cause runs.

@bigstepper4203

2 жыл бұрын

Did you see the balls he didn’t get to because of bad reaction time and poor range? Also causes runs if you didn’t know

@jeffgr7657

Жыл бұрын

@@bigstepper4203 show them to me ... I despise the Yankees, particularly Jeter, but people blindly believing in dWAR just because someone called it an "advanced metric" and said a lot of big fancy math words is the real issue. Jeter wasn't just an average SS defensively, he was a great one. This nonsense all started when people believed that you can calculate wins that an individual player is worth to his team over a non-existent made up "replacement level" player. The claims these statisticians make with WAR and other WAR-based or DRS crap are asinine. To watch a play in modern times and say "a replacement-level player wouldn't have made that play" and award the player with a DRS is silly at best. There is literally no way you can prove that, because 1) there is no real player to insert into that situation to find out, 2) you cannot recreate any single play/pitch/situation/stadium/weather/personal problems/aching joints/gnats flying into your eye/gusts of wind/etc., etc., etc. to put this evaluation to the test. We just trust that someone watched a play (sorry someone who is "trained" lol) to evaluate it and that they made the right subjective decision (that's right, subjective) as to whether it is a play that a non-existent replacement level player would have made. It's so stupid, but it's cool to act like you get advanced metrics and look down/mock people who don't "get it" so everyone jumps on board and regurgitates this BS.

Not gonna lie these drs stats just seem like a whole lotta bullshit

@jeffgr7657

Жыл бұрын

yep

The man did his job so well..did he make errors???? Yes who DOESN'T...but his overall contribution you can not deny....this young man needs to learn respect....he was involved as we all know with cheating and he was not humble about it.....silence you g man silence....Will the Yankees sign him???? Yes...to all I wish you Happy thanksgiving......much love to you and loved ones...PEACE

Wow I had no idea

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

You’re not the only one, narratives can be very powerful

Good video for what’s it’s worth and the message it’s trying to convey to make your point. But what did he hide himself!? What did he do to fool anybody? He just went out…. Played his position to the best of his ability won awards, championships and got the girls. It took 14 years to create a Analytics Data component to figure why Derek Jeter was so horrible on defense but yet seem to MAKE EVERY CLUTCH PLAY TO WIN/SAVE A GAME. He has no range but yet made plays he had no business being in. Here is the thing… He didn’t hurt the team much defensively in the win lost column on the eye test.. Intangibles are the forgotten variable to why this argument against is forced since nobody noticed a got damn thing. Allen Iverson has a better Handle than Jordan… But was he a winner on a grand scale!? No. Part of playing the field is reading the bat off the ball to save yourself the need to make spectacular plays on ROUTINE PLAYS. Bottom line. 5 titles, 5 Gold gloves, WS MVPs, Dozen ASG appearances, Most hits in interleague play, Most hits in playoffs all time.. come on now.

IDC he carried himself like a Captain and he was

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, no one is doubting his leadership

Garciaparra would've had a better career if he didn't get injured

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

He was certainly on a fantastic pace, I was just looking through his baseball reference page and I didn’t realize he averaged about 7 wins above replacement per year during the first part of his career. Definitely a huge what if player. But a better career than Jeter? I’m not so sure, but it was possible

@booce6969

3 жыл бұрын

The power and walks make the difference for me

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

Part of staying on the field is a major part of the game and Nomar couldn't

Want REAL facts. With all the shifts today....u can have a CATCHER play short today. The athleticism has been taken out of the position. Defensive runs saved is one of the biggest nonsense stats going. Do u know how many moving parts exist and go on on every single play that cannot be quantified by analytics? Never mind the fact that a big part of defense starts with the pitcher hitting his spots.

@cyspiegel8603

3 жыл бұрын

@Ryder Calhoun better that than a child that let's computers dictate how many pitches they can throw or which direction a batter will hit towards... David Cone said it best a few days ago when a defense played the shift "hit it where they aren't". A computer wont move your ass to that gap any faster.. Analytics told Kevin Cash to pull Blake Snell in the game that sealed the Dodgers WS win... if going with your guts and heart makes you a grandpa I'll be that lol smh

@SirTylerGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 what about the part when pulling Snell was a terrible move analytically?

@cyspiegel8603

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirTylerGolf dude was cooking batters up to that point, but because he'd matched his computer prescribed pitch count after giving up 1 hit Cash made that stupid move which was a large part in Snell going to San Diego and nothing can convince me otherwise.

@sreeshman1

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 analytics didn’t tell cash to pull snell lol he’s just an idiot. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2d7mrOypKSxh6Q.html jomboy did an actual breakdown on the analytics - if cash actually followed analytics he would have kept snell in

@benchwarmerss9165

3 жыл бұрын

Jeter was able to get to the spots that he needed to ..... people gotta find a reason .... jump throw the flip and dive ALL SAVED RUNS ... that’s the important part ... people makes errors all the time it’s can you make the play when it counts

People don't like it when you insult their deities. So instead they argue unprovable platitudes like their eye test tells them otherwise or he played a position for 20 years so he must have been good or he was clutch when he needed to be or something so incredibly inane as he must have been good because he made the routine plays. The people who said they watched every game he played only watched the highlight reels and didn't actually watch him in the field closely. Subpar Fielding speed, incredibly poor range, struggled even on the routine plays and more often than not had to do some pointless theatrics to make up for the fact that he was almost always out of position. Below average arm strength and accuracy that made plays closer than they needed to be. This all gets factored into proper advanced metrics but it was all present his entire career and if you claim it's not true then you didn't actually watch. The dude was not a good fielder. He was below average most of his career and only one gold glove season was he even considered above average and he absolutely got those awards because of the myth built around him and his name. He didn't deserve a single Gold glove ever.

You can't move Jeter to 3rd base because of the arm. So where do you put him?

@ifheavenwashuman

2 ай бұрын

Second

@mikeglenn5212

2 ай бұрын

@@ifheavenwashuman then you have to put Soriano somewhere? Arod was the better choice at 3rd since he has the bigger arm. Jeters not a 3rd basemen at all. It seems to have worked out for Jeter just fine.

Great Video I hope your channel blows up

Jeter was and still is my all time favorite baseball player ever He’s the reason I love baseball ⚾️ and why I was/still am a Yankees fan most of my life. He’s the only athlete I didn’t have anything bad to say. But after watching this, it made me realize that he should’ve finished his MLB career at second or third. He refused to do so as he was too stubborn to switch positions. It’s pretty documented. This sort of opened my eyes 👀 I understand he’s a bit overrated by fans of the game of baseball ⚾️ especially on defense but I have nothing but respect for him

@DaDitka

9 ай бұрын

I respect what you said. For you to be honest about someone whom you highly respect is very commendable. A lot of people could really learn a lot from what yoh said.

Mr.October

@TheDiamondBaseball

Жыл бұрын

November*

@Angelgunzny

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball fuck I knew that too but wasn’t thinking

I like your videos. And I’m not a Yankees game. But jeter was very good all aspects of the game. It’s not all about stats all the time. I’m a huge baseball fan but, That’s what I hate about this sport sometimes. Even tho he wasn’t the best defensive player he still led them to 5 World Series wins. It’s just not all about stats. There so many more players that are good examples of it’s not about the stats. We love jeter.

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

I actually agree. I think he brought a lot to the table that didn’t show up on the stat sheet, and I don’t think anyone doubts his leadership abilities. But some things are objective and Jeter’s defensive struggles and lack of range are among them. Doesn’t mean he was a bad player - far from it - but he also wasn’t perfect like some people in the comments seem to think

@kissingdynamite3736

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball nobody is perfect lol he was great in his own aspects of the game. Wasn’t the best defensively but he was a clutch hitter who his team and fans could rely on. I grew up watching him and many other great players from that era.. it’s sad that basically none of them are left 😩 them and many other players from baseball and football were my childhood mentors. It sucks I can’t watch them play anymore. I’m sure you feel the same, but I love watching your videos I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful or anything I just thought people should know it’s not all about the stat sheet.

You did a great job, everyone loved him and was the face of baseball. He is the best all around, the best defensive shortstop of all time is Ozzie Smith, hands down.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

I can only imagine what would happen if you combined Jeter’s hitting (which made up most of his 73 fWAR) and Ozzie’s defense (which made up most of his 67.6 fWAR). It would be hard to argue that a guy like that wouldnt have a case for being one of the best all around players of all time

@timmalecha6311

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball 100% right, that would be one special player baby!

@sportsfaniguess154

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball What about A-Rod’s hitting and Smith’s defense?

As a Yankee fan a die hard I’m Insulted but god is it true lol Arod was wayyyy better

He did not fool us. Yankee hype on ESPN did. "And you all know this"

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

guess you didn't watch him play much. He was solid.

A bad defensive shortstop is still one of the best defensive players on the field at a given time.

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

This is a good point. There are a few glaring counterexamples (e.g. Eugenio Suarez or Gleyber Torres), but for the most part you are correct. Honestly, Jeter probably could have been relatively average at another position like third base (especially since his main problem as a SS was range)

Why won’t anyone bring up the number of errors per season

@TheDiamondBaseball

2 жыл бұрын

Because errors don't really tell us as much about defensive ability as many people think. Errors are the RBI of defense in that they can tell us some things about a player, but they are affected too much by context to truly be useful in evaluating that player

@MrIvesston

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball It at least deserves a spot in the conversation.

@frankanuzzi9740

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiamondBaseball that’s a poor analogy errors rely on the player fielding the routine ball or making the routine throw it’s on the player , rbi you need players on base although I still think rbi are still a great stat and driving in runs is very important so I’m not a guy that thinks rbi are a bad stat

Do you take dj lemahu or jeter

@cameronjordan6022

3 жыл бұрын

dj

@TheDiamondBaseball

3 жыл бұрын

Defensively? LeMahieu. Overall? Jeter. Ideally though, you’d have DJ at 2nd and Jeter at short.

@cyspiegel8603

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf... DJ has no business at short if Jeter is an option.

@mariokart9227

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 I was saying in general who he’d rather have

@user-wt8im2ro1p

3 жыл бұрын

LOL Jeter is far better

You can't name one bad defensive play in a big game because it doesn't exist.

@lovedavantlamour301

Жыл бұрын

bill buckner ? wtf man

King of clutch? David Ortiz would beg to differ.

@garyt19651

Жыл бұрын

stay in boston , ortiz wouldn't even run to first base.