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Running my Anthem AVM60 and loving it, currently have a 5.2.4 setup want to later upgrade to a 9.2.6. will wait till Anthem release a new AVM, hopefully, next year

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Nice- the wides really add a lot over the 7ch base layer. Atmos mids a great final touch to a 1 row atmos cinema

@mikegoddard7354

3 жыл бұрын

December 2020!

@grantw7946

2 жыл бұрын

Just get a second Anthem amp and use the outs from the AV60.

Very thorough presentation. Loved the camera angle. I run separates- pre-pro + (3) mono blocks, + (1) 7 channel.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, AVRs help get People started , but power is always key. In the pro world, they will aim To run at least 1.5x power to speaker handling. Headroom = lower distortion

I have the Denon AVR-X8500H, and love it. Note, though, that the special preamp mode you mentioned, which disconnects the power supply from the amplifier section is an all or nothing proposition. It disconnects the power supply from all channels when enabled. So you can't take advantage of that feature if you're using any of the onboard amplifiers to power certain channels. (I have an Emotiva XPA-5 powering my fronts and rears, and use the Denon to power the left and right surrounds plus 6 height speakers.). Also, Denon just announced that DTS:X Pro will be available as a firmware upgrade for the 8500 later this year.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

D Ryan oh shoot! I was aiming to test with out board power amps but did not get there. Thanks for sharing as using it purely as a processor would not be the end goal, but certainly a worthy steeping stone once all the power amps are built up.

@dorothewiegand3652

4 жыл бұрын

The preamp feature is nice, but why lay the internal amps of the X8500 down? Assigning the amps to the side- & back-surrounds in biamping, crossed at 80Hz, lefting power by 50-60 watts per amp is a nice feature of the X8500. I plan in the end to use 2 small floorstanding speakers for the left, an additional 2 for the right and one floorstanding speaker for every side of the back-surrounds. The immersive 6 channels will be amped by an external amplifier. My main channels LCR are driven by active speakers.

I hung 34 blackout drapery panels around my 14.5' W x 19' L room. Very minimal reflections. I have a 7.2.4 system. Yamaha RX-Z11 receiver. One sub & one transducer in my seating platform riser. I've had this system setup since 2007. I understand the importance of height speakers in a room.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Z11 is a true beast, and Yamaha the to had spec heights back then is cool. An immersive is room is more than big picture and great sound but indeed the entire atmosphere created, love it.

@kingtrance6826

4 жыл бұрын

@ pheotonia - 7.2.4 system you say? I didn’t think the older Yamaha RX-Z11 received was capable of delivering Dolby Atmos?

I fully agree to use the internal amps of the X8500 for the surround and immersive channels. The big advantage of the X8500 is the amp assign capabillity, so my surround channels are fired up in biamping mode. My main channels LCR are driven by active speakers. In the future my immersive channels get driven by an external amp, so I can switch it on when I need immersive Sound. Not to use the X8500 amps would be a pitty.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Casimir36 Casimir36 great use of channels, yeah after the next few Power amps come Into the room, away with AVR and all in the dedicated processor, massive lift at that stage.

Hi, thanks for your very informative video. I'm looking for a preamp sound processor without the built in amps so I can use my own power amps to drive magnepans for a minimum of 5.1 and expandable in future. Any suggestions would be really helpful.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

alexander curry awesome. Anthem do the AVM60 for a fair budget. If you can push to an Acurus Muse this adds a whole different level of audio. Worth every effort

nice equipment ....is the anthem mrx 520 hometheater receiver any good.?...i only have a 5.2 setup that im ok with but was looking into upgrading my onkyo receiver..with the anthem mrx520...i dont have atmos do i really need atmos or is it no big deal..?....i think with this anthem it would be a better experience.....what are your thoughts..?

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Yes the MRX520 sounds just as amazing, but less power but same clarity and if Atmos is not likely to be installed / or installed correctly I’d agree to go with quality over quantity. A good step up from onkyo , you’ll love it

just got the mrx1120, pairing it with full Krix wall setup, cant wait for it...... 11 days they all come :)

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Krix very efficient, a great great. Future power will smooth it out further too.

@Boots3962

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema yea, got em all running with amps

Hi...thanks for the Vid....would you be able to advise on how I can add a couple of passive speakers to my HT system - Im after a connection diagram of Passive Speaker to Amplifier to Anthem AVM60...can you help pls

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

You need a power amp between a processor and speakers. For hook up guides check out “Audioholics” they have the right tech advise you need in the website

Imax Enhanced was announced for Anthem ( I have the 1120) but no firmware updates as of yet. Do you have any insight to this?

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Harp Arora still waiting on the licenses to finalise - same goes with other brands. Soon we’ll have Real content to play so I sure it will tie in together. Next 1/4 hope

Anthem really looks exciting to me, but it does not decide DSD which I have. Also have to question in a blind test setup correctly will most people be able to tell which is which or if one is better than the other. I would think room and speakers are more impacting on sound quality. I am looking to upgrade my Denon X7200WA later this years and debating Denon X8500HA vs. Marantz SR8015 vs Anthem MRX1140. I run 7.2.2 with dual subs in a room that is 19x14x8 and I use Klipsh speaker with PSA subs. Seems liek I may be splitting hairs, I suspect the 60W surround channels in the Anthem will be more than enough for me. I also do enjoy lossless music quality.

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

Given AVRs don’t really have the power any system needs, getting the one with the most grunt possible make sense. Aka- the bigger units on your list. Power supplies improve in readings drive and often the processing improves too. Anthem also have the best power amps to match, in the MCA 325. The 1140 will drive the power amp effortlessly with out our Pre out output weakness, and 400w 4ohm power up front is pretty much ideal for most systems While the big 3ch does the heavy lifting of the LCR the AVRs power supply only needs to support the effects. Our best combine this year has been 1140 and MCA325 Also to note - the 1140 has 2 dedicated sub outs and the new ARC with phase / time alignment process works great. Making a 7.2.4 system calibrate very well, with out any major technical knowledge or equipment.

I got a Denon AVR-X3600H / EMOTIVA A300 to power the front Neuphonix Epicentrix from Krix in the last 3 months. 7.2.4. Large LCR up front really help a 100 inch projector image

@happychappy2014

4 жыл бұрын

I am curious if you are seeing any prominent improvement by utilizing the Emotiva for stereo playback over the X3600H internal amp. I am asking because I saw technical review (audiosciencereview) of Emotiva A-500 amp and the X3600H's internal amp outperforms that SINAD wise by a good margin. Stemming from this, I would think the A300 would be a downgrade from using the X3600H internal amp. Of course, you could just be using it for the extra power.

@LifeSized101

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting , Also my matching LCR speakers are 4 ohms. All sounds ok . Adussey crossover the centre at 120 Htz and the Mains are full range

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Distributing power eases the load, of the sound is bigger the picture looks better :0

Great video for the money really like the Anthem i just have 1 question. if there is no load connected to the LCR channels how is that taking current from the power supply? i would not think it would be detrimental to the Denon or Anthem.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks, good call. That’s right AVRs have one power supply over many channels, less channels Running - more Joyce for those left. As the LCR are most demanding leaving these for an external power effectively increases performance of the effects channels 👍

What do you reccomend for audiophiles when you compare denon , anthem and marantz the models you have discussed ....?? Also please tell a brand and a model which has the 'centre spread' facility. Please .....

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

shemaya fernando hi likely the Marantz 8 series AVR strongest for straight up sound. Between the sister models Denon and marantz Marantz is designed as the more HiFi of the two. And most experiences and reviews back this up. Arcam AVR20 is stunning - but less features, this needs to be weighted up. The anthem still has Center spread but it’s maybe true to lose this with future firmware updates. If you have an AVR with Auro3D / up mixer then music listening in immersive format is covered even if Dolby surround lets us down with out Center spread. Anthem does not have Auro3D - expect new models from anthem any electronics show now - Eg- Cedia in Sep 20 / ISE early 2021

i recently purchased an Onkyo AVR which i am happy with especially for music and it took literally over a month of ever day listening before it warmed up. wonder how they would compare in sound quality over a few months. only running 5.1 but wish i was able to afford the Anthem MRX 520.

@jameswheeler7679

4 жыл бұрын

Im on my 3rd Onkyo AVR my first one was stolen my 2nd one I thought something was wrong with it so I returned it without any issues they sent me another and it was doing the same as the other they sent me a refund and I kept it I eventually moved AVR to another outlet and come do find out it was the outlet imagine that at that time I also ordered a Onkyo Intergrated Amp which plays music better than the Onkyo AVR

@Deeky76

4 жыл бұрын

@@jameswheeler7679 Onkyo are pretty well known to be plagued with gremlins. I always use Denon Marantz. Sony and Cambridge audio.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Less is more, 2ch amp wil sound much better than 2ch inside an all in avr (same $$ considered) horses for course

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Many brands build to price and often features take over. The 520 is unique as it’s rather simple and better at what it does do. Big diff over a smaller o lot for sure. I started with an only sr575 :)

@jameswheeler7679

4 жыл бұрын

@@Deeky76 : Absolutely I also have a Denon AVR in my bedroom however I'll more than likely will end up purchasing another Denon or a Marantz

I have a Denon AVR-X4400 and I run a 5.2.4 system that I like a lot. The receiver is good and it gets a little hot but I use a fan to keep it cool. I always wanted a Anthem but they are out of my budget! How much better would the MRX 1120 be? Perhaps I should wait for the 740 or 1140 to be released. I need an Atmos receiver that can do 4 channels of Atmos. Nice video

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Could start adding power external power amps from the Denon is also a good way to add power / quality. The new Anthems look tremendous. Orders are in but we all need to wait atm.

@bassproable

3 жыл бұрын

I run a Denon 4400 and use an Anthem MCA 30 for the front stage and use the Denon for the surrounds and Atmos.

A good review however you can’t decouple the LCR is only it’s all or nothing. I’m currently running the Marantz SR 8012 and I am using an Anthem MCA325 for my LCR .

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, yes you are right. I got that wrong, would be nice to cherry pick the LCR Pre out. 88012 and MCA is a great combo. About as much power and clarity as the any $$ can buy. Nice

Hi great video 😘 I currently have a Denon avr6300 running 7.1.4. I have an external 7 ch power amp ( JBL synthesis sda 7200) running bed layer so Denon is only doing processing and heights. I’m considering getting the Anthem AVM 60 as I want to go down the processor/amp route because I’m hearing it’s the next step in audio quality,I know I’ll need another power amp for heights but do you think I’ll notice much difference in audio quality? I’m running PSB CW 800 LCR and cw383s surrounds. Monitor audio ct165 atmos Darren.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Darren Yes the next step is separates for sure. You got some solid components. In my cinema and 2ch experience it’s the pre amp that has often had the greatest impact (oddly enough) Followed by source then power/speakers. Cinema Processors have both the DACs (considered source in the stereo world) and Pre amp all in one, AND room correction processing - it’s a very considerable component to in the audio path indeed. We all have high expectations from the AVM60 (I’m yet to receive any stock here in AU) It should by all accounts step up the sound somewhat a d appreciative from even a higher end AVR. Pushing one step further, to ensure completely transformation is going an Acurus Muse, (or maybe the AVM90 of it can complete, but the Mise will be hard to beat) The Muse is an audiophile design product, which is night and day from the lower cost Marantz/ prior AVM Anthem models. Only down side is the cost and maybe some features (see our review on the Muse for more) Good thing, is the unit is modular, hdmi boards etc can be changed, along with powerful software updates Ensures a much longer lived product, where you won’t throw away stunning sound equipment because of old tech. (In any great hurry) Hole this helps,

@darrenkeogh3321

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema ok...food for thought! Thanks for reply! Darren.

Be interested to know how the Denon 8500 shapes up against an Arcam

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

SuperstarDJ read all about it

I've got Focal Aria speakers what do you think i'd need to run them optimally? Im coming from a Denon AVR-3312 and upgrading to a 4k projector and therefor need a new AVR. My Focals are Aria 926 and CC900 and using the SR900's as rears. Planning on adding 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos at the same time too. Local store seems to think a Denon X3700H should run it all but im not sure. Im confused as to whether to go for another receiver such as an Anthem or higher end Denon or stick to the x3700H and get another amp. Any suggestions?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

A big AVR only just gives these speaker justice. Good thing with a big AVR is they also have better pre outs. As you need lots of channels, and new HDMI tech and as much good power as possible, big AVR to start is good. The 3700 is not big... And seems to run at higher distortion than the 4700/6700 So to me this shows that the 47/67 is a better sonic build. Later you’ll want a big 200-300watt power amp. A 3ch for front end LCR. This frees up power in the AVR to serve the effects, so it helps not just the front end. The 47/67 should have much better Pre outs than the smaller models. We compared a marantz 6 Vs 7 series AVR pre outs and the difference was big. The pre / professor is a big deal. A big power amp driven by an average pre will bring the sound down to the sonic enjoyment level only of the pre. I’d go at least 4700 / Anthem 1120 or Marantz 7 series and soon as possible 3ch for front end.

@dsellars

3 жыл бұрын

Rogue Custom Home Cinema thanks for the detailed reply! Any recommendations for a good 3ch amp for LCR? Seen the Emotivas but not sure they sell them in Aus?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Sellars anthem MCA325 or above is the go. Emotiva are good, but not always the game changer we can wish for . (Some of there big amps can, but at that price the competition is just as good) Anthem are well support in AU

which would you recommend Denon AVC -A110 or Anthem MRX 1140 please Thank you. I have a 5.1 B&W CDM9 and CDM1 bi-amp set up and enjoy music and films. I will like to keep my 5.1 bi-amp setups with QED cables

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the Anthem won’t allow a bi amp option like the Denon does. Rather anthem are designed to upgrade with the MCA power amps to gain power to LCR - then the original L/R channels can matrix / repurpose to effects channels.

** decouple power amps will actually decouple all power amps - can not use for LCR power amp only. *** new Anthem AVRs (due Dec2020) can assign power amps - to use on board amps for effects while repurposing LCR for out board. Awesome, I’ve been wanting this for years!

For my 5 main channels on my home theatre it's the Anthem Statement P5 monster. For a processor it's Marantz 8801. Perhaps I'll move over to the Anthem AVM 70. The P5 stays put.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

A massive power amp once in place certainly does stay put. No new tech is going to change the power delivery in any greater manner. Great combo over all, new Anthem AVM will be interesting. So the Acurus Muse is my #1 in that category

@beyondonethousand

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Thank you for your reply. The sound of the P5 is pure silk on top of the power. The Acurus Muse looks incredible. That would be a stunning match.

Scott...do both AVR's use the exact same processing chip? If not, what are each using?

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure, most AvRs / processor run the same dsp chips (only a few made) so really comes down to the Power supplies, Dacs, Pre section etc

@TheJoeyPeacock

4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema thanks. I know Texas Instruments is one chip manufacturer, can't remember the other at the moment. I've never heard of another one besides these two. Is Trinnov the only processor company with their own chip?? Always enjoy your videos!

@westsurflastname7222

4 жыл бұрын

Joey Peacock To the best of my understanding Trinnov doesn’t use any DSP chip. They’re whole concept is their own software based solution.

@TheJoeyPeacock

4 жыл бұрын

Westsurf Lastname Thanks for the reply!! 😉 Correct - I do know that Trinnov uses a Linux based processor running their own proprietary software (not sure if any other processor than Trinnov does this approach). Texas Instruments and another chip maker (can't remember their name at the moment) are the two primary DSP chip manufacturers that everyone else uses. I was trying to understand which chip the DENON AVR uses and which chip the ANTHEM AVR uses.

@TechnoDad

4 жыл бұрын

I think a big difference is the room calibration. I prefer Anthem's ARC over Denon's Audyssey. But the Denon has more features than the Anthem (IMAX Enhanced, Auro-3D).

Sorry to hear the struggles Andy summer. Glad cinema served you well when you can.

Thanks for your review, I have one question which is better Anthem or Arcam in terms of sound quality and reliability?

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Akshay Poteker arcam has the sound Eg- AVR20 vs MRX 7/1120. This is expected given price point and channel count. Anthem are well proven for reliability in my region. Arcam has had bumps getting started in new series , but firmware / software seems to now have them In a good place. I ran the AVR20 with Dirac last week and came up real good. (I just got the AVR20 back for more review time) Just one thing with arcam- the protection circuit can be a bit too sensitive. I’ve ran all 4ohm (nominal) speakers and found the Arcam protection kicked in too soon and was not compatible. Of course speakers can dip lower than 4ohm at different frequency, which causes the issue here. If running all 4ohm , give the Arcam a try- but only if you can return it for full credit of the loads don’t work out. You should be good with a week or two grace - and don’t damage anything.

i have an anthem mrx 700 and it is such a beast. when people watch movies at my place it still has that jaw on the floor level of performance. the others have features but the anthem with its all channels driven rating is a more superior expressive tool.

Does the Anthem have eARC hdmi?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Cy Moler hey, eArc from HDMI 2.1 spec onwards. The Anthem are not at 2.0. Of course there are plenty of Sources that can drive smart tv features as an alternative to using the smart tv. If using smart tv as a source is important then eARC units will extract tbe Atmos from Eg Netflix back to the avr- is good. For projection system ARC is not used. Hope to see new stuff from Anthem wallet next year, they are due for some new stuff.

Running the Anthem mxr720 with an Elektra theartron 7 channel power amp, 185 watts per channel @ 8ohms or 220wpt @ 6 ohms, the Elektra runs the front stage and 4x inceiling speakers, the Anthem runs the side and rear surrounds. Awesome results in a 4m x4.5 metre room.

Thought if you decoupled the amplifier you decoupled the whole lot 🤔

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Correct o got it wrong. Will update description sorry , it’s been mentioned before but that’s the right place for correction

we need to make sli with denon and anthem

I don't like the digital sounding amplifiers that Denon uses therefore going for the ARCAM AVR20 + the ARCAM PA410 4-channel power amp (for atmos) which hopefully will give me a more analogue sounding experience!

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

Given the expense of the Arcam 4ch power amp, could consider a Marantz 7 series processor, Big power block for the LCR (eg Anthem MCA 3) and good 8ch power for The effects (presuming 7.x.4) For similar $$ get much more power than any AVR offers to the front end, where it counts most. While the effects are handled with suitable (much less a costly) power. Eg- parasound ZM series

@totalplonker824

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the much-needed tips! The thing is if I was to purchase both arcams together, I know I can get £500 off. I'm just trying to work with what I've got... a TV/AV cabinet which can only accommodate two chassis! So I'm thinking that my components needs to be extremely efficient otherwise iam going to have to try and squeeze some noisy fans in there aswell. My small living room is only 13 x 11.5 ft (4 x 3.5 m) with neighbours all around me, which means probably a third of the volume! And I've been told the arcam avr20 would be more than sufficient to satisfy my 2-channel in such a small environment. Plus the arcam pa410 will be able to round off my 5.2.4 setup

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

@@totalplonker824 makes sense 👍

I am not clear you say that an anthem 720 sounds equal to or better than the 8500h?

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, so it really comes down to of you need / want the features difference

@antonioantequeracid6005

4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema I have had a 720 until a year ago and I think you are not being fair in the comparison, the denon sounds much better than the 720 in my point of view

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Antonio Antequera cid for $2000 more the Denon sound was not a game changer. I would not consider one over the other for sound alone. Rather value / features. If you want better sound - go an Arcam (if you can get it to work)

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

And it’s a fair call what result you got,l for sure. As these are close speaker , room and install process could easy lean one over the other. Good you got a better result, nothing worst than the effort of changing things and not getting more joy :)

@antonioantequeracid6005

4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema After 720 an arcam avr390 passed by and did not tell me anything about that better sound they are talking about ... it seemed to me just as clear as denon and the stereo did not surpass my integrated marantz pm8005 that I used together with the denon to feed my frontals! Maybe an avr20 is a big step but you have to add external stages and more expensive than an 8500h since you buy it from the outlet for € 2,200

Have 2 5 chanel amps parasound A51 and 52 , I think I need another a52 flr Additional 5 Chanel’s :) , had Marantz 8802 and 8805 tied NAD v17v2 I think Marantz sounded better, looking to buy pre pro , can’t decide between arcam 40 or to go back to 8805 sound quality for me is #1 , if Marantz would only have Dirac that would be awesome, I know JBL is comming out with new pre built on Arcam platform but really don’t want to depend more than 3k that’s how much Marantz sell in USA , new processors and home theater receivers drop in price super fast ....

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

David Kvirikadze check the review we did on Acurus Muse. It’s similar $ as those, yet I feel in a class of its own/ closer to the big guys Ike Storm / Trinnov. Sunning sound quality with 16ch!

What about NAD?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Good call Since this post I’ve heard the NAD and the sound is possibly the most “HiFi of the AVRs Has the depth and fullness of sound we were hoping from the Arcam The smaller NAD is pretty basic feature wise and really does not work for many cinemas with just 3 hdmi in. Really leaves just the one Mindel - 778 With enough flexibility for most projects. As an all in one - the NAD 778 is fantastic especially with Dirac. And very Hifi for those that run stereo, will likely be more impressed with NAD. Those keen to buy in at different budgets with upgrade flexibility for adding power / Reassigning channels, Anthem at this stage seem to offer greater solutions.

Getting an 1140 unit soon?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

💯 On order , all late as Covid holds us up. Also have the AVM70 / power amp combos. 4 piece stack of new Anthem , will look as good as it sounds I think

The Anthem 1120 has a toroidal transformer, the lower models do not, and that makes a huge difference

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Nikki & Tom Wallace indeed the 1120 runs a bigger power supply, likely required for the extra channels, and toroidal usually a better sound too. (although Denon does not in the recent big models while marantz does)

@nikkitomwallace2613

3 жыл бұрын

Rogue Custom Home Cinema toroidal tansformers are costly and it’s not just for the extra channels. Like you pointed out there are plenty of AVR that don’t use them at all. Anthems flagship is just that, it’s not just added channels. It’s a glasgship so everything is better . I have heard this AVR and it sounds amazing. I prefer the Marantz models to the Denon for Sound purposes as well. I n wish Denon would make a throwback AVR, 5 channels , class AB, that weighs over 100 lbs like in the old days. Toroidal transformer powered . I’d buy that in 5 seconds

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Nikki & Tom Wallace that’s old school alright, real beef. I like it.

@Evil_Peter

3 жыл бұрын

Anthem themselves don't think the toroidal transformer is a big difference. I saw a person asking them about it and their reply was that you'll have to do a lot of side by side testing to be likely to hear any difference. Refreshingly honest for a hifi manufacturer as you often get the sales talk.

where is anthem made

@glennarcher986

4 жыл бұрын

Anthem is a Canadian product and design but assembled overseas. They are associated with Paradigm speakers.

@jimhamlin6551

4 жыл бұрын

@@glennarcher986 the reason I asked that question is because you failed to mention that it was made in Canada built by Canadians in Mississauga Ontario Which is just down the road from me as I live in Chatham ont and just ordered and received the MCA 325 So I don't know what product they make over seas but mine was made in the common wealth country of Canada Thanks for your update

@brendanjohannes9309

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimhamlin6551 While some of their amps are made in Canada, Anthem's receivers are not. My MRX-720 is made in Vietnam.

@joeybrooks5625

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimhamlin6551 Why would you ask if you already knew the answer to your question.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

The MRX series we get here in AU are built in Vietnam, however the MCA power amps we have orders al come from Canada.

As ex projectionist (retired) which are the last link of movie exhibition. UCI cinemas and Warner Bros. I know what to look for, and listen for and feel for. Opening of the movie I use a complex system I call Dolby atmosPlusIIIx so sounds can move underneath the seating when the fighter plane zooms in at the bomber plane and whooshes underneath the seating while the side surround arrays still sounding along with decoded sound for the overhead surrounds where I use up to x9 overhead surrounds with a matrix decoder SA10 for Height 1, 2 and 3 cos the overhead surrounds are basic stereo pairs. So anything mixed or overlays of stereo tracks mono tracks or centre phantom. Sounds way better here. All JBL 4673A five screen matrix 1.5kw per screen channel. JBL CD 2446 JBL 2380A horn my home cinema goes a few more extra light-years further, well it's basically easy if it's all done with separates x6 sidewall surround arrays JBL 8330 mkII with x4 JBL control 1 for matrix below surround with JBL control SB-1 x3 x4 back wall surrounds JBL 8330 mkII The Denon AVC-X8500H is rubbish! It is so slow at video switching for a video signal to get locked on and with audio locked on. It has flaws with video composite if visual search with VHS or LASERDISC often the video goes blank/black and won't lock back on and only way is to turn the video mode selector one way and back to the mode it was running with, SIGH. dolby dsu, is Rubbish! It is flawed and dolby labs being so Lazy haven't fixed it with firmware and even if fixed it is still Rubbish compared to analog Dolby Stereo MP 4.2.4 matrix thank goodness my system is complex and can run DOLBY MP 4.2.4. The Liemax is and will never ever be used here I will never buy a 4k dtsx movie Never. So the Denon AVC-X8500H worst buy I ever made. and trinnov 32 will never ever be on my list, never. 4k home cinema is a scam. 23:13 Near Field mixes are not necessary for the home. Mix it once and release it. LASERDISC theatrical mixes make 4k sound like baby learning to walk. I've just about had enough of 4k near field remixes upmixes of these dreadful atmos cash cows for older movies simply is disappointing. x9 overhead surrounds with DOG channels JBL 8330A and extras on the floor x6 JBL control 1, cos I know what is going with constant listening discretely to any channel. DOG Channel® is my own special modification. No need for auro3d here with vog. Oh I see how that works and I only have one of the same movie that dreadful Blade Runner 2049 or 11 mins to 9 O'clock. One is atmos the other is german auro3d english PCM auro3d and that dreadful red tails. BR2049 only played once fully. JBL 4645C left JBL 4645 right SW or LFE.1 depending on movie format playing JBL 4682 TCB front middle - JBL 4682 TCB back of the room 15.12.6 I could expand it to 17.12.6 but I can't be asked to use the other AVR (since I lost my uncle, my Dad and my Cat Sooty last year) I just don't give a hoot about home theatre/cinema anymore. I even switched the AVR overhead surrounds off and not brought a blu/4k atmos old and I never really buy new movies anymore, not brought a 4k in over 5 months now. I brought few LASERDISCS Dolby AC-3 and Dolby Stereo. Bass shakers for all the Irwin rocker seats Commercial cinema Lucasfilm Ltd THX Sound System 3417 in this THX cinema. Sound is 50% picture 50%. Well not true cos the budget on movies the budget is not split equally so 50% for the picture side that is acting, art direction, costume, shall I go on? Then when it comes to sound they have far less cos it was all used up for the what is going to be seen on the screen. Denon AVC-X8500H with DOLBY STEREO CP200 and how many homes have a CP200? x2 Sony SDDS DFP-D3000 DOLBY CP500 and lot more besides that. 38.000kw THX.

Whats your pick

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Anthem - but I don’t run any multiroom or legacy video. Just the single cinema with hdmi devices. Both these brands have new models . And the opinions should apply to the new stuff. Best thing about new Anthem Repurpose internal front amps to effects. Allows for a big external 3ch power amp for LCR and max use possible of the AVR.

@glennnichols4220

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema i just ask because I am not an audiophile by any means but I have some decent speakers a really good sub and don't know jack about setting up room correction. I am more of a set it and forget it type guy. And what that Anthem is far superior to Audyessey but Audyssey is easier to use or something g.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Both will require some focus, but no “expertise” as the system Guides the user to measure then the system creates a recommended setting. If the Anthem has the features you need, it’s a fair call it also has suitable sound and user guided calibration to help finish the job confidently and at a very fair budget :)

@glennnichols4220

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema much appreciated for the response partner.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@glennnichols4220 good luck with the cinema build.

The Anthem will only run 30 or 40 fps on there hdmi or at least the 720 did .I got a good deal i thought on a refurbished 4700h and the sound on it was better than the Anthem in my opinion and got 60 FPS for a few days till it failed. These high end companies like Anthem make quality AVR's but us older tech and doesn't support dual subs very good unless you use a mini DSP

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Love been meaning to test 60f 4k before I came back- will do and report. Yeah twin subs and get the timing right which helps, even better a mini dsp does this and much more .we have our MRX720 > mini dsp > 2x subs. Minis dsp not much cash for a lot of control - well worth the extra and effort in tuning.

Whats better X6700H or 8500h ?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Which ever delivers the features you need with the most power. AVRs typically never have enough grunt.a so gotta go big.

@sleepybmw

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Loud music and watch netflix and all that but chasing loud with option to do 2 rooms

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@sleepybmw The most powerful AVR you can find and can afford. Some people say the bigger amp are not worth it, when its the "AMPS" and currneta nd "Watts" that actually drive the speakers. In the pro world they run double the power the system is designed for to ensure no distortion. Thats abig ask, so for many at home, we just go a s biga s we can afford.

i have a 720

The thing here is 150 Watts with 2 channels driven for denon. I reckon the anthem is all channels driven.

@Roof_Pizza

3 жыл бұрын

Anthem is two channels driven whereas Denon doesn't say so my guess is one channel.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Most specs show 5ch driven for anthem

@TheJohnypie

3 жыл бұрын

That's the whole point with onkyo and denon marantz they come up with silly fidures 180 Watts etc. But that's in stereo front 2 channels. Nad anthem emotiva are realistic and tell the truth. I had a onkyo 805 140 Watts but it was 2 channels driven. I have anthem mrx 300 80 Watts all channels and it blows the onkyo away in every respect. Infact I'd go further and say your denon would struggle to keep up with it. Nevermind the new anthems and nads etc. They tell you at least 5 channels driven so its a more realistic power output.

@TheJohnypie

3 жыл бұрын

Yep just checked anthem is 140 Watts 5 channels driven..blows that denon out of the water. You see sneaky specs. Even anthems remaining channels spec is much higher with all channels running.

@TheJohnypie

3 жыл бұрын

Check out the nad 778 I think it's 85 Watts all channels running at once. Far more powerful than these other recievers. Wouldn't touch denon onkyo or marantz

Doesn't Anthem rate their power with 5 channels driven?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

They all vary tbh Some 2ch, some all ch. How are on the spec sheets. Of course we need to watch for what load 4R or 8R, freq range and distortion I’ll aim to spec power at

@fidstang

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Thank you for the reply. I talked to a rep from Anthem and they rate power with 5 channels being driven. That is a huge difference from most others at 2 channels. So, the average person may see Anthem rated with less power, but in fact will likely make less then Anthem with all channels being driven.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@fidstang great point. Yeah some Brands are super dodgy with ratings. The FTC only ruled on stereo years ago, its anything goes for rating a multi channel

Are you in perth

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

we are, coming at you from the most isolated city in the world. (a good thing in COVID)

@Samzep

3 жыл бұрын

Rogue Custom Home Cinema i want to go atmos choosing between 7.1.2 or 7.1.4 i have concrete celing so no flush speakers can be put and and I don’t care about looks just want them in point exactly at me how they should be the atmos speakers ?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Tom Smith hi, that’s for PM, we’ll continue with a. Direct consult.

Total Anthem Fanboy here!!!

Sorry rather get antham 720

So you say the Anthem has No analog inputs thats Not true it has 5 !

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

thats right stereo audio features for sure, but no legacy video (which is almost never installed these days so no big deal for most)

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Must have missed up some words - sorry, did not mean to confuse, I'll review and improve.

I saw a comment, asking to compare Onkyo to Anthem. I can only say from the sound angle my top of the line Onkyo is not nearly as musical as the lowest Anthem mrx. The Onkyo is built better from a finish quality point of view. The Anthem must have better something cause it sounds like an upgrade.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

My first ever AVR was an only, of course I loved it, the 989 the first ever 7.1 THX. As brands move forward the focus on sound Vs features etc change. These days it’s not often an Onkyo considered a beast power house that’s for sure.

I dont understand why Anthem power supple is so low 570 Watts?

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Power draw ratings On almost every amp does not add up to the overall claimed dynamic power. Audioholics have some good videos that look into this specificity. Basically no AVR runs full power on every channel at any given time.

@danilog79

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Hi thanks for replying, The point I'm making is they claim 5 x 140 Watts and 2 x 60 Watts so it can't be very powerful on the amplification side of things. I dont claim to be an expert on this but it doesn't seem very powerful compared to Arcam or even Marantz.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilog79 I see Often the most power required at the furthest and most used / power hunger speakers = front LCR So Anthem place most power to these channels and less for the effects which are often closer and smaller / less power hungry. It’s a fair compromise Most separates will be high power front and lower power effects (Seperate power amps offering much more with around 400w LCR and 100-200 effects) Anthems 140watt Main amps are very solid and high quality. Most mid level AVRs have lessor quality until you go to the top tire. Marantz 7 series and above are great. A real cut above the 6 series. What’s most exciting is the new Anthem model will allow repurposing of the internal amps. This means you can run MRX540 > 2x surrounds > 2x Atmos External 3ch 400w power amp. > LCR This combo will deliver massive results for the least costs. Again the power where it counts up the front, in this case - serous power. While still using the on board amps (less the Center channel) for the effects. Of course this is just a 5.x.2 system Which I’d not be concerned about if i get 400w mains! Quality over quantity As you go up the range - same apples - just more and more channels. Hope this helps, and also offers more updates based on new stuff happening

Don't make me laugh. Anthem all the way for pure sound quality and room correction - simply amazing. There is NO comparison.

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

A little more similar than different. Really the same “class” of product. All brands EQ systems are highly improved these last years. With saying this, we feature and specify Anthem in most our mid level projects, as the new series are offering a great middle ground of AVR plus LCR power as a very compelling solution with out going full scale dedicated processing / power amps .

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

But only the biggest Denons

I just got my 8500h for $2650 🤑🤑🤭!

@edwardculbreath1277

3 жыл бұрын

sounds like you got a great deal

The latest Arcam AVR products are buggy garbage that need to be avoided at all costs. They have huge issues. Of those two receivers, the Anthem sounds more pristine, but it's more basic when it comes to features. Denon is more of a budget brand, but this is their flagshipv receiver. From a purely sound and reliability standpoint, Anthem outperforms Denon and Marantz.

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Especially when you consider anthem has “that’s sound” over he whole range, not just in the “flagships” . I ever had a lot of time with Arcam before it left. Hope to have more time next month. Heard the software / firmware needed work. Good thing about updates is new features and fixes, bad thing is models released with bugs!

Too much hand /arm waving in this video. I was expecting a deck of cards to magically appear at any minute.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure of your point, people communicate differently mate, if you don’t like, go find an introverted nerd.

@paulupton5557

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Thank you for your reply and entertaining suggestion. I will wave you goodbye. I know you are more than capable of waving back! 😁

I was done when you mentioned that denon uses Audessy 👎

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

Are you saying that I have got this wrong and Denon does not use audyssy?

@Laissez_Faire

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema no I’m not saying that. I’m just done with audyssy room correction. I like denon but at that price point I feel they should offer a better room correction

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@Laissez_Faire I see Yeah been of the first they have the most fails. Always getting better. Anthems ARC system is brilliant. You may find more value in the video around the anthem at least.

@RogueHomeCinema

3 жыл бұрын

@@Laissez_Faire did not think of It that way. There is a lot More to the video that Denon. Anthems ARC is pretty sweet. New Anthems Due real soon! The new (bigger) NAD looks like a beauty and has DIRAC. We’ll get some Of these to try in coming months. Now running the Triad Silver series with our AVR reviews - so we’ll get even better Insight to finer resolution and clarity.

Bad ligt on you 😂

Both way overpriced and not worth the money you're better off going down the line to under $1,000 and just making sure you have pre outs on the Denon receiver then connecting separate amplifiers easily the best bang for the buck and now buying overpriced technology that will be obsolete in 6 months🤔

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Frederick Franchi anthem MRX are the same design/ sounding amp from 520-720-1120 only difference is quantity. Of pre outs or / and channels. Denon bigger models mostly good, smaller ones don’t have the same class of audio.

@frederickfranchi6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema oh really did you try everyone out????? even if they are better it's minimal at best😮🤔

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Frederick Franchi mate I had a showroom years ago with every level of avr in a range of rooms. When we ran out of bigger amps and had to replace with smaller ones the difference was clear- but these rooms were set up with acoustics and speakers that demanded results -I don’t fuss with small stuff any more.

@frederickfranchi6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema that's interesting that you say that I had just the opposite results I want from a $6,000 Class A amplifier down to four Marantz monoblocks you think the difference would be huge it wasn't it was hardly any difference and the monoblocks never got hot running my BMW 803S blasting them at ninety-plus DB's I will never buy an expensive amplifier again to me they're just not worth it's diminishing returns and as you said it all depends on room setup cables material that you're listening to and I can go on and on🤔✌

@ArthaxtaDaVince777

3 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema I need a receiver just to run as a preamp and transmit earc, I need it mostly for music, which avr would you recommend? I already tried the Maranatz N1200 and N1711, the 1200 was far better than the 1711. I want something better, better dacs and quality.

That is quite the speech impediment when it comes to pronouncing "H".

@Deeky76

4 жыл бұрын

😂Huh??

@RogueHomeCinema

4 жыл бұрын

Get a better Center channel

Dont Buy Anthem low reliability i have one never again

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

Bummer to hear that. Unfortunately every product has failed for someone. The support when things do is key indeed. We are lucky in AU to have Anthem distribute via a custom AV company that understand service.

@rmesquita2

2 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema i know at least 3 cases it’s starting to be a lot of someone

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmesquita2 I can still say the same for any Another product And your personal experience will always stand out so do whats right for you - once bit twice shy. I get it

@rmesquita2

2 жыл бұрын

@@RogueHomeCinema Anthem did an excellent customer support and I exchanged for an Anthem MRX-540 hope the same doesn't happen with this one

@RogueHomeCinema

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmesquita2 People build equipment, it will always be flawed some how, as we are. yes the real evaluation of the dealer and brands you deal with is what happens when things go wrong, not whenever thing is right. Saying that, there is junk out there built k be cheap, that’s never going to have fans

As ex projectionist (retired) which are the last link of movie exhibition. UCI cinemas and Warner Bros. I know what to look for, and listen for and feel for. Opening of the movie I use a complex system I call Dolby atmosPlusIIIx so sounds can move underneath the seating when the fighter plane zooms in at the bomber plane and whooshes underneath the seating while the side surround arrays still sounding along with decoded sound for the overhead surrounds where I use up to x9 overhead surrounds with a matrix decoder SA10 for Height 1, 2 and 3 cos the overhead surrounds are basic stereo pairs. So anything mixed or overlays of stereo tracks mono tracks or centre phantom. Sounds way better here. All JBL 4673A five screen matrix 1.5kw per screen channel. JBL CD 2446 JBL 2380A horn my home cinema goes a few more extra light-years further, well it's basically easy if it's all done with separates x6 sidewall surround arrays JBL 8330 mkII with x4 JBL control 1 for matrix below surround with JBL control SB-1 x3 x4 back wall surrounds JBL 8330 mkII The Denon AVC-X8500H is rubbish! It is so slow at video switching for a video signal to get locked on and with audio locked on. It has flaws with video composite if visual search with VHS or LASERDISC often the video goes blank/black and won't lock back on and only way is to turn the video mode selector one way and back to the mode it was running with, SIGH. dolby dsu, is Rubbish! It is flawed and dolby labs being so Lazy haven't fixed it with firmware and even if fixed it is still Rubbish compared to analog Dolby Stereo MP 4.2.4 matrix thank goodness my system is complex and can run DOLBY MP 4.2.4. The Liemax is and will never ever be used here I will never buy a 4k dtsx movie Never. So the Denon AVC-X8500H worst buy I ever made. and trinnov 32 will never ever be on my list, never. 4k home cinema is a scam. 23:13 Near Field mixes are not necessary for the home. Mix it once and release it. LASERDISC theatrical mixes make 4k sound like baby learning to walk. I've just about had enough of 4k near field remixes upmixes of these dreadful atmos cash cows for older movies simply is disappointing. x9 overhead surrounds with DOG channels JBL 8330A and extras on the floor x6 JBL control 1, cos I know what is going with constant listening discretely to any channel. DOG Channel® is my own special modification. No need for auro3d here with vog. Oh I see how that works and I only have one of the same movie that dreadful Blade Runner 2049 or 11 mins to 9 O'clock. One is atmos the other is german auro3d english PCM auro3d and that dreadful red tails. BR2049 only played once fully. JBL 4645C left JBL 4645 right SW or LFE.1 depending on movie format playing JBL 4682 TCB front middle - JBL 4682 TCB back of the room 15.12.6 I could expand it to 17.12.6 but I can't be asked to use the other AVR (since I lost my uncle, my Dad and my Cat Sooty last year) I just don't give a hoot about home theatre/cinema anymore. I even switched the AVR overhead surrounds off and not brought a blu/4k atmos old and I never really buy new movies anymore, not brought a 4k in over 5 months now. I brought few LASERDISCS Dolby AC-3 and Dolby Stereo. Bass shakers for all the Irwin rocker seats Commercial cinema Lucasfilm Ltd THX Sound System 3417 in this THX cinema. Sound is 50% picture 50%. Well not true cos the budget on movies the budget is not split equally so 50% for the picture side that is acting, art direction, costume, shall I go on? Then when it comes to sound they have far less cos it was all used up for the what is going to be seen on the screen. Denon AVC-X8500H with DOLBY STEREO CP200 and how many homes have a CP200? x2 Sony SDDS DFP-D3000 DOLBY CP500 and lot more besides that. 38.000kw THX.