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Ha ha!! I guess you Ian know NOW whether or not there is ELOHIM 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

As an atheist ⚛ I can I don't know how the universe came about but Christians would say it's god. it's better to say I don't know than to say I know it's a god.

The God this host and the Rev' say exists is not exist for the the African man. The Christian(New Testament) god is the God of the Jews( old Testament) and that of the Muslim and not of the African. They are completely different in their concept. The African God/Creator is spiritual and having many facets that are an interal part of man and the fabric of the world ( nature) and the universe. Whilst the Jew and Muslim and Chritian God is separate from man and nature and the universe. God for them is external and one that must be worshiped, praised and obeyed otherwise we will end up in hell and not in heaven. God in the non-African religions must by its nature be accessed by people through an intermediary claiming that they speak for God or are the conduit for your prayers and one that will give "guidance" via a "church", or "mosque" or "synagogue". African relgion is based on ones own spirial development via meditation, trance, connection to ones ancesters, nature and to other human beings. I never saw any value in external Gods. My mind and body resonates with an internal spiritual creator (not a God) that is in all humans to a greater or lesser extent - as per their spiritual awkening, understanding and maturity. Thus ones connect to thr creator is always there, it was from the day we were born. There is no third party mediator thus all humanity is divine and can be Gods on earth if they become one with God/the creator. There is no heaven and no hell, the world we live in and the entire univers is one with the creator and we with it. There is no end and no begining, just change, interdependency and depenency. The Creator has given humans the widest set of facilities to enable it "theator" to experience this world as a function of how one has cultivated one spiritual maturity and understandind. It is this path or reconnecting for which one may need a guide, but this is to assist in awaking the many faculties that the human has been given and based on the life challenges one is facing and for which there is a demand - for a given or more faculties to be awaken. Awakened by meditation and or trance. This is what non-African reglions and indeed cultures fail to understand about trance. Trance is widely used in non-western cultures but one needs to be guided by a trusted and expert person experienced in the field. Otherwise many psychological issuses can arrise and even phyical harm if drugs are used to put the person into a trace. May people use dance and music and thus no drugs are needed.