Defending PTI, Digital Media and Thought Behind Things - Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi -
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Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi is a content creator and a podcaster - he hosts the popular podcast 'Thought Behind Things'.
Syed Muzamil Hasan Zaidi comes on The Pakistan Experience for a detailed discussion on Imran Khan, PTI, Digital Media, Podcasting, Mental Health, Cyber Trolling, Elite Privilege and the Aurat March.
Does Syed Muzamil support PTI?
Has he been a part of the PTI digital media wing?
Does Muzamil regret trolling people?
Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.
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The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.
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Chapters:
0:00 The importance of conversations and perspectives
10:55 Populists - the left, right and centre
22:06 Pakistani politics, policies, and programs
33:54 Defending Khan and PTI
47:10 Muzammil's early work, DMW
1:00:33 Political benefits, biases and the Imran Khan interview
1:19:30 Personal criticisms addressed
1:31:35 Twitter crisis, the dangers of social media, and mental health
1:50:44 Aurat March and online perspectives
1:56:16 QnA, analysing PTI and Khan
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Who is here after dil ki baat series
@abdullahnazir2579
Ай бұрын
🙎😜@ahsanpervaiz7722
@masoom_shahzad
Ай бұрын
Me 😁
@usd00
Ай бұрын
Me 🙋🏻♂️
@zahrakazmi7073
Ай бұрын
meinnnn
@k.komega
Ай бұрын
Dil ki baat . Muzammil targeted by gias
41 minutes se zyada nahi dekh ska, the guy who is hosting the podcast manipulates and wrongly phrases the statements whenever he wants and then repeatedly tells Muzamil not to wrongly phrase statements. GREAT!!
@knowtounknown8946
Ай бұрын
😂 left exactly the r same minutes lol, host is like an idiot. Not sure what He was trying to prove, extreme sarcastic behavior and low intellect. He should treat Muzzamil well
@abuzarmohsin5259
14 күн бұрын
Piers Morgan in chita shashay
I'm not a TBT/Muzamil fan, but one thing I would put up here: Muzamil has some serious balls. Knew what he was walking into, and yet went it.
@shsfehyr
Жыл бұрын
He came off looking better look at the contrast professional look, clean cut and disciplines as opposed to sgs who’s unkempt and undisciplined
@liliths_
Жыл бұрын
Ahh the personality worshipping of Pakistanis never disappoints
@faeznadeem4145
Жыл бұрын
Is ko kehte h beela bnda
@owais3862
Жыл бұрын
Muz is a cheetah. Sacha bnda ha darna kyun tha.
@axzostavicii7765
Жыл бұрын
@@faeznadeem4145 lol ur a pti fan😭
This podcast is so raw and authentic. It takes a lot of courage to come forward, own your mistakes and apologize. Kudos to Muzamil!
Wow Muzammil is a lion for showing up and owning up. Hats off 👏👏
2 burgers trying to show that they were from middle class while reality is both are from the elite class which isn't wrong but them trying to show that they were from middle class is what makes the convo idiotic.
@fatimahassan184
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@KishmalaIslam
Жыл бұрын
Jealous much?
@absolutearc2599
Жыл бұрын
They are middle class, its your perception that middle class people are the one hanging out of bus. Thats poor class bro :) Elite class would be sons of politicians, malik riaz etc Your base line of classes is wrong
@pakichadgaming
Жыл бұрын
@@KishmalaIslam the meatriding is crazy
@terminator9735
Жыл бұрын
Do you pay their bills? Nahi na! Then chill kro and stop making an issue out of something for which they are not even answerable to anyone
Muzammil's podcasts have always been very constructive and productive.
This wasn't a podcast this was more of an interview even though Shehzad is claiming multiple times he does a podcast not an interview, but in his whole podcast he's trying to attack Muzammil on the things they disagree with. Credit goes to Muzammil for apologizing and not making it look like Shehbaz Gill vs Rana Sana Ullah. That clip shouldn't have been published yet Shehzad not even published he's publishing it in short videos on social platforms to get views.
@ShubhamMishra-bu1eq
Жыл бұрын
Shehzad don't give softball to anyone neither allow podcast to go off track
Line of questioning is so feisty and well researched. The confrontation part was definitely epic. This also makes me realize how articulate and vigilant one has to be at all times being an activist, social media personality or journalist. It is nothing like having a convo in our 'elite drawing rooms'.
@dinozaurpickupline4221
10 ай бұрын
it was not to bring personal issues
Boht sakhat podcast. Aag aur paani ka milaap. Kudos to Shehzad for inviting Muzammil and hats off to Muzammil for being as honest as possible.
Great podcast, love your podcasts as always, here I will appreciate Muzammil for confronting every single thing and trying to clear especially in front of public, it really need guts to constantly face the criticism patiently and dont react, both of you guys has taught the public how to resolve any personal matter in a civilised manner❤
Kudos to both of you for having this conversation.
Very happy to see such an amazingly healthy discussion. This is what we need to understand that we are all humans. We learn, unlearn! We do mistakes. But the most important thing is that we should always accept our right or wrong doings.
@mazfars
Жыл бұрын
And such podcast show others that we can have different opinions that can be voiced in a mature and healthy manner.
An absolute treat of a podcast. Credit to Muzammil for owning up and apologising while setting the record straight. Hats off to Shehzad. As inspiring as always. Can't wait for the second part.
@sidaz22
Жыл бұрын
There is a second part?
@xk3168
Жыл бұрын
An absolute cringe of a podcast. No manners shown by shahzad bhai. Lg rha hai bol news ya republic tv chl rha hai
@xk3168
Жыл бұрын
Like he was telling about economic policies .. and shehzad sir interrupted him hafiz sheikh, asad umar then tareen etc...
@zaidsaleem1723
Жыл бұрын
Such a petty host. It's literally like muhalay ki phupo. "Tuny mere baray main yeh kaha woh kaha" What a stupid person.
@ayseltazir7960
Жыл бұрын
An immature take … the host of the podcast should never bring a guest to speak with the hidden agenda of settling personal scores.. this is what it seemed like grow up this isn’t playground “ u said this now apologize” Ever heard of freedom of speech .. we are all entitled to our opinions he disagreed with u over politics .. it wasn’t personal
This was such a brilliant podcast - I loved loved every bit of it - it was heartening to see men expressing their vulnerability especially leading Podcast owners of the country - 👏👏👏👏thanks for spreading the message of openness, apology, empathy and mutual respect in the end - thank you Shehzad and Muzammil for this episode - brilliant work guys!!
I have been listening to many Pakistani podcasts since two years now and I don't remember if I heard this long podcast. This might be the longest podcast in Pakistan as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong. Pakistani content is heading towards right direction ❤️
Kudos to Muzammil for coming on the podcast and facing these tough questions like a champ. Didn't think he had it in him. Although I love Shehzad, I think sometimes he starts cutting people during a conversation. It's counter-productive and makes the other person defensive, instead of answering the question.
@imaliazhar
Жыл бұрын
The cutting-in is absolutely necessary for keeping the guest on topic because on uncomfortable topics. Keeps the conversation sharp and interesting otherwise people start blabbering and jump from one topic to another without addressing it properly.
@Usmankhan-tb1bm
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperience bro batain karna aur TV show host karney mein faraak hai.
Good to see "ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS" happening. So good to see such content
@liliths_
Жыл бұрын
Actual discussion? I found this guy muzammil an absolute disappointment. If this guy is the reflection of Pakistan’s youth, no wonder pakistan is the way it is.
@ctscan3088
Жыл бұрын
@@liliths_ agreed, underwhelming just like his podcast.
@zeeshantaj55
Жыл бұрын
@@liliths_ he just keeps on shilling about himself and his idiotic achievements.
@ammarannadeema6416
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperienceIt was a good podcast but it was not cool to discuss private msgs on public podcast you could hav solved this issue with him personally. secondly u both r knowledgable but muzamil seemed more logical and precise during arguments also him saying again and again that i m not defending and yet u used this caption for ur podcast seems that u r badly trying to prove him a pti worker ,starting from dmw discussion to caption all ur effort was in proving him to be son pti payroll. Be precise and avoid personal biases while on podcast otherwise ur podcasts are great. Good luck
Halfway through this podcast I made up my mind to write mean about you and your podcast but then I decided to watch full lenght and man what a podcast it was. Loved it to bits. Kudos to both of you.
Such an intense podcast! I commend both of you. Great stuff.
Honestly, I have never seen Muzammil’s podcast but after seeing this episode I will definitely look into that - because it takes integrity and grace to own your mistakes and apologize-
New follower here and I must say, this podcast managed to keep me engaged throughout. It was refreshing to see raw, honest and productive conversations like these, it’s incredibly brave to have difficult conversations where both parties manage to see their own vices and hold each other accountable.
What an amazing podcast. Both guys have opposite views on some topics and atlast they both agree on one conclusion. These type of debates should be encourage so that the audience can get a rational and critical analysis. Respect❤️🙌🏻👍🏼
Its wonderful that there’s a conversation between the two sides. A humane one. Great stuff Shehzad. Keep these coming. Hats off to Muzammil that he came to the podcast and had this difficult conversation.
First time watching you and love the podcasting style! Really enjoyed the civil discourse. New favourite Pakistani podcaster for sure 💃🏻
This is called a genuine conversation. A genuine podcast. Although, this is my 1st, if not the second podcast I am watching on The Pakistan Experience, but the way Mr. Ghiaz questioned every question to Mr. Muzammil was amazing. And the way, Mr. Muzammil answered each and every question was great.
Why are people praising this podcast? This was more of a debate. Host was not even letting guest complete his point. Host acted like he had personal grudges against the guest. Tameez honi chahye if you have invited someone as a guest
What a man Muzammil is! Amazing podcast! Hats off for facing every question so fiercely yet comfortably.
@axzostavicii7765
Жыл бұрын
But still Pti sucks
@faraazsiddiqui1450
Жыл бұрын
@@axzostavicii7765 PMLN and PPP sucks more than PTI.
Didn't expect this to drop today! Looking forward to it!
@TheSaboorAnsari
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperience better release quality podcasts like these over the weekend (just a suggestion)
what's up with host continuously attacking the guest & all these sarcastic comments in between then pulling up screenshots of private group? Host have no manners about conducting a podcast. Learn from Muzamil, see how calm and tolerant he is. Maybe host was trying to create drama for views. Disgusting.
Muzamil is so well behaved and calm in this podcast. Very genuinely done podcast. Loved every bit of it.
Shehzad, I have been watching your podcasts since the last one year and this today has won my heart. I love you for the bravery with which you confronted Muzammil. I admire you for your honesty and not trying to become a people pleaser just because they're on your podcast. Muzammil is doing great work too, i like his podcasts too. But with your podcasts, I as a Pakistani feel more connected and heard because you really ask the most important, relevant and difficult questions. i have learned how to ask good questions from you. thank you and more power to you!!💕
Also loved learning more about Muzammil. Had no idea about the social media interaction between you two. Almost feeling regretful about asking you when this is coming out at Napa on Sunday. I might have probably come across as a troll but I meant what I said, I'm an avid listener and a huge fan of you in general. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. It is a privilege to be able to sit in a room with you. Metaphorically, at least.
Cant wait to put the kids to bed an be glued to this episode!!
why would shehzad discuss something on the public forum that muzammil discussed in private?
@alihaider5190
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperience thanks for the update
Both of them are being real to the core … an epic podcast
Yaar your questions are getting very mature , precise and relavant recently. Good work
This wasn't just a hard conversation for you both, but for me as a viewer too. Took me around 3 weeks to completely watch this podcast in bits and pieces.. but the last 10 mins or so helped me let go of all the uncomfortable feeling I had while watching it. Good job🙌🏻
@saraaliq
Жыл бұрын
💯
@muhammadzain7299
11 ай бұрын
true
Thank you so much to the both of you. Lots of love your way (and Humna too)!!
Well spoken Muzamil. Shehzad on the other hand only tried to label Muzamil as a PTI supporter for 2 hours.
I loved this podcast the way you two opened up to things that arent and will never come in the spotlight. ❤
I really felt bad for Muzammil when he broke down to tears. Political discourse aside, you two were having very real and vulnerable discussion. Too good!
@tutorstown973
Жыл бұрын
Where did he?
@ibrahimsaud9589
Жыл бұрын
@@tutorstown973 1:43
This was fantastic, keep it up both of you.
my two favorite podcast creators in one frame love it please make part 2🌹🖤
Love the civilised manner in which the two young men talk about their differences without hiding their biases. I like it. To me positions either one takes on different issues including with respect to each other is not important. What is more important is their honesty, openness, civility and respecting each others views. Wish Pakistanis could take the tight message from this discussion.
Muzammil is The Man Articulate detailed answers tackled by the usual whataboutery of Ghias
It's always wonderful to see two people with differing political opinions sitting together and talking things out. I was pleasantly surprised to see Muzammil agreeing with a lot of toxic things that PTI supporters do. It was also great to see him openly say that he doesn't agree with the views of bigots like Ali Mohammed. Clearly such conversations need to happen so we can see how much more we agree on rather than disagree. Thank you for always trying to do your best to heal the divide Shehzad! Your podcast continues to surprise and helps unlearn so much.
Best PodCast bashing Eachother with healthy discussions and opening up as a Human Enjoyed every second PTI vs PMLN vs PPP was enjoyable 🎉♥️
Whattay podcast. Loved every minute of it.
1:43:35 It hurt me so much that good people go through this. It is part of life that make you more strong.
@waqarwajid_56
Жыл бұрын
Yeah social media is really fucked up
@zaidsaleem1723
Жыл бұрын
YOU READ MY MIND. The host is such a petty person
Uff that was raw! Loved this.
Shahzad was getting offended and was not letting Muzammil talk properly. Just because you know alot of terms it does not mean you cannot be immature and negative. I just can't grope the fact that PPP and PML-N had held jalsas during Covid. Asifa ardari with Masters in Global Health urged people to come out. As a student of Geography and Disaster Management , i feel COP 27 and other climate change work has been going on in the concerned departments. Please keep the politics aside. Politicians are just shit.
Omg this podcast 🔥
Other comments will let you know regarding the awesomeness of this podcast. However, as someone who has watched loads of Muzamil's podcasts, I also got emotional from 1:43:05 to 1:44:07. Considering the fact that he knows the power of words and uses it effectively, that moment was very surprising for me. Cheer up lad! All of us make mistakes, but accepting them takes real courage.
@abdulrehmankhan4860
Жыл бұрын
Ooh shut up you become emotional
@usamamushtaqbhutta8908
Жыл бұрын
@@abdulrehmankhan4860 I really respect your opinion. Just an advice, your words really show your background and upbringing, so kindly use them wisely. May Allah bless you :)
2 hours into the podcast and I am so happy I deleted all my social media (except youtube) five years ago. Life is much more peaceful and intentional.
Muzamil bhai ki respect aor barh gyi meri nazar mein. He is gem of a person ❤️
3 hour podcast with two legends! Time to sit back, relax and enjoy
@Bawbarzz
Жыл бұрын
@@mohsinfaiz4213 You come to watch their videos just to call them 'jokers'? My brother, find a new hobby 😅
@mindfulmusic4954
Жыл бұрын
@@Bawbarzz They are jokers :D
@diemanner7164
Жыл бұрын
@@mohsinfaiz4213 what makes them "jokers"?
@diemanner7164
Жыл бұрын
@@mindfulmusic4954 what makes them "jokers"?
@mahirazafar4262
Жыл бұрын
Hey! In other news, Loving your football analysis series.😎
you invited Muzamil yet you didn't even let him complete any of his arguments.
Damn! I felt it in my heart. So many genuine heartfelt moments in this one. Amazing.
@46:41 shehzad says why are you relying on ppl's comments ... n he himself relied on Muzammil's comment... n created a viral scene in podcast ! 👏 wow 👏
These are the types of discussions that are healthy for our future. You know I don't agree with your views but you are doing an amazing job having these kinds of discussions. Resubscribed.
You're so good at confrontations Shahzad. I find them scary!😭
@ehtishammalik5830
Жыл бұрын
No way😂😂
@taimurkhan686
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperience we want that therapy too
Intense, raw, and authentic 👌
They both gonna remember this conversation for many years to come. And that's the beauty of having an open conversation. I do disagree with a few points made by Mr. Shehzad on personal instances, same as I disagree with Mr. Muzammil's view points about politics. But then again, this podcast wasn't about listeners as much it was about them. They sat, had long convo on and off camera, cried, laughed and try to learn through their mistakes. It's beautiful. More power your way ❤️
I am a fan of (a kind of) Muzammil. Only because he knows what he is doing....he knows how to motivate ppl .... And honestly muzammil you spoke very well on this podcast. And they you cries for Hamna's pain....you took my heart away ....crying....brb 🥺
Could clearly see flaws in how the guest paints narrative but that's how discourse works. U listen as well. Loved it!
Love this podcast ❤️
Such a great podcast I haven't listen to this kind of podcast where one just ask and the other was like yeah you are right and huge respect to Syed Muzammil that he try to listen and give his version which can be questionable and criticized but these kind of intellectual debate will surely progress to the country and make us enlightened huge respect to both of you ❤
If I had a conversation with my viva teacher... this would be the entire show
@alihaider5190
Жыл бұрын
hahahahahahahahahaha , thanks for making me laugh in a time of stress
Uncomfortable conversation for Muzamil for sure but he kept along with the conversation so that was great! Shehzad didnt show any mercy and Muzamil was lost for words on a number occasions. I guess Muzamil had the answer but couldnt really construct them as bouncers kept on coming!
Btw great podcast 👍 loved it. Learned a lot of things.
Very entertaining 👏
Shehzad, the way you confronted Muzammil was incredible! A mix of yorkers and bouncers that put him on the back foot. I hope he refrains from doing the things he had done previously, although highly doubt it
Loved the podcast, learnt alot from it. Feels like 3 hours passed by in just a glimpse
Heard the whole thing! Remarkable outro!
This podcast is zbrdstt actually yr... i was not expecting this after watch small clips on social media about this podcast.
Hell of a ride. Just amazing Shehzad bhai. I am a serial Bigg Boss viewer. This episode is everything. Sirf yeh Bigg Boss ka season skip kar diya but look at kudrat ka nizam. Us ke apne khel hain. Beautiful conversation. More power to Mr. Muzamil and Ms Humna. Him being vulnerable (for his partner) was a beautiful moment. BTW looking sexi as hell Shehzad bhai. PS: Waise hum middle claasion ka vacation Nani ke ghar tak hi hota hai (Middle class pretend karna tha to thoda homework banta tha). Khuda hume aur ahl-e-watan ko bhi asia tone deaf privilege ata farmaye. Amin. Reminds me of my friend jo is economy mein bhi Iphone 13 pro max khareed kar khud ko Gareeb kehta hai cause use Iphone 14 chahiye. LOL
Thought process of syed muzzamil is so pure, deligent and mature. Amazing podcast.
love your podcast shahzad. continue doing. wishing you goodluck🎉
tough talk man, both of you hats off , i love listening you guys.
Funny how Shahzad Ghias was constantly judging Muzamil for being politically biased despite his own biasedness due to personal grudges & political inclinations which was evident throughout. Hats off to Muzammil for being so patient to all this hypocrisy while maintaining his eloquence at the same time. Even the middle class discussion came out of Shehzad trying to corner him publicly which was just based on a private group discussion. Shehzad you're doing a good job but sorry to say you've always been negative & the first time I witnessed this is when you blamed Tabish Hashmi for looting some amount of money from you in the QWS show ... remember? You have this habit of bringing up personal issues on live shows which obviously can always be sorted offline. Here's the link to that show: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKOIk7Oko66cgNo.html ( Skip to 1:02:00)
Host was hell bent to roast him but Muzammil Hassan take it as mature learned man
@f.50
Жыл бұрын
you've clearly never watched TPE before, you just came here from the TBT group to comment here
@alihaider5190
Жыл бұрын
@@f.50 I watched tpe when it started streaming, and shezad has come a long way, but I think personal confrontation could have gone off cam, would have been magnanimity on the side of shehzad . .
@f.50
Жыл бұрын
@@alihaider5190 why? Both are sort of public figures with a public beef, if they decided to settle it publicly, why do others have a problem with that.
@alihaider5190
Жыл бұрын
@@f.50 because it wasn't apparently looking settled, rather pushed, however, shezad has given a detailed comment on this that it is settled... Visuals have great power :)
I think this is the most confrontational podcast in TPE.Loved it till the end 👍
@razakhan9796
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePakistanExperience 😂😂
Beautiful Podcast
First time watching your podcast and I'm absolutely loving the rawness of it. Really admire how bold, brave and clear Shehzad was and the thing I appreciate more than that is how this whole podcast preaches the lesson of table talk where two persons with contradictory mindsets sit Infront of each other and talk .If I was at Muzamil's place, I would've cried FS This single podcast was better than whole industry's fake sugar-coated podcasts Much love for the show
I actually got excited as if a new song of BTS got released! Uff SOO EXCITED FOR THIS
I'm halfway of this podcast and I can't stop myself writting down some thoughts here. First of all I am a huge fan of Shehzad's podcasts. He's having conversations, nobody is having!! Having that said, this podcast has something, it is so so so real. So raw! I do not know much about Muzamil, so many of the background stories I had no idea about. Still, you could perfectly see on the first hour his need of defending himself. Like I felt kind of pity for him, even a little anbnoyed where he wasn't ready to assume some facts... Later, how bravely Shehzad put out some "personal" attacks to him and I was about to cry. This felt so real, so humaningly true. Finally a podcast that make us see how we humans are, full of flwas, full of doubts, full of 'feelings'. I love how this shows that we must sit down and talk peacefully, even when we complain, do it right, listen to each other. And right now I'm where Muzamil starts to cry. I had to stop to write this down before it changes my perspective at the end of the podcast. This converstation has touched me differently Shehzad. You're doing such great job MashAllah! Hope to sit down someday talking about everything in your podcast, Regards xxxxxxxx
@asmapatel2065
Жыл бұрын
❤ 👌
best ever show to watch...amazing..there is some stuff between both of them which they sorted during the conversation .i hope we should do that
i kinda fancied watching two of my favourite Pakistani Podcasters together and you made my wish come true :) keep it up ..... sending loads of love.
2:17:46 How could Shaukat Tereen possibly have acted on his own? If he acted on his own, why was he not given a show-cause notice by PTI? Afterward, PTI leadership even came out in his defense. Muzammil accepts IK tried to crash the economy by fixing fuel prices but chose not to accept that Shaukat Tareen acted on IK's will when he tried to sabotage the IMF deal. Muzamil Bhai really needs a detox from PTI propaganda.
This is nothing but a senseless argument... Host keep interrupting guest.. closing this video... Its nuisance... Please keep integrity of podcast.. it is like a tv debate that we hate and come to KZread for some meaningful discussion.. very disappointed
Action packed
Loved the podcast hats off to Shahzad Bhai❤ I changed my thoughts about you after this podcast
More power to you Muzammil.
Now I am convinced, any issue can be resolved by the talk
This was the best Pakistan experience podcast.
30 mins into the podcast, love it Shehzad! What an amazing debate of two people with different values but still able to hold a civil debate/discussion to discuss their views & opinions! Civiled discussions and debates are much needed in Pakistan! Really gald that you held him responsible for what he was saying and called it out and debated him about his views, he is a bit right leaning.
One of the best podcast i have seen. Both you are brave inspite of differences in almost everything you both sat and discussed beautifully
@Muzzamil bhai... hats off❤️❤️❤️ Love you always 💞 such a humble person, how difficult for you to face such an arrogant opponent but you have done great,kudos to you! Shezad ghias will remember his this behavior and one day he'll apologize you publicly...✅
Hats off to muzzaamil. Amazing podcast