Have you thought about submitting your paper on predatory papers to a predatory conference and presenting it there? Trollception.

@kivi2547

5 жыл бұрын

thats a pretty good idea lol

@grdja83

5 жыл бұрын

You still have to pay anyway.

@mrnicomedes

5 жыл бұрын

Worth it. Especially if you document it and interview folks while you're there for publication.

@jermainerace4156

5 жыл бұрын

One problem with that is that your paper becomes property of the predatory publisher.

@timballam3675

5 жыл бұрын

@@jermainerace4156 just make it contain some real slander, then it will be theirs!

Thank you for not only warning us about fake science, but also doing true journalism. A practice long forgotten!

@Wib0

5 жыл бұрын

Where's the journalism really? I mean, very interesting talk, but I can do what they did. Just takes time. And there are plenty of these kind of huge scams out there. Noothing new. I can't see journalism, I see researchers. Btw, here in europe the real jiurnalist talk about the bombing and killing of politicians in Germany. And then those journalists are being fired and replaced with these kind of 'journalists'. Lying fucks telling you about lying fucks. Welcome to 2019.

@kirschkern8260

4 жыл бұрын

Hitler was on the cover of TIME magazine. 1939 TIME said "Hitler is the Man of the Year". So now TIME is a Nazi supporter or what?? By the logic of the poeple in this Video, TIME is a Nazi supporter now. This video says: "there are liars in organization X, and Michael Limburg was in organisation X. So now he must be a liar too." thats not science. Thats just blaming. They didnt make any scientific discussion,they not have any proof. They just mixed up things. This fake journalists using the same Tricks as the try to blame others for. . The main goal of this Video is to blame or attack Michael Limburg.But they do it with unfair tricks. They never mske and direct/open/fair discussion. As Science should do. Instead they use unfsir tricks as Shaming. To make other People hate Michael Limburg.

@kirschkern8260

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wib0 you are right. This video showed only a Fake-Machine attacks another Fake-Machine. Its simple as that. . This video is made to descreditate Michael Limburg (or EIKE) without any real Proof. They just making a Collage of nonsense. They "glue" things to each other, which have no connection at all.

@Ryan-xq3kl

4 жыл бұрын

@@kirschkern8260 HAH, this video is a CLEAR indication of how far science has delved into image and lacks intellect. They proved that these groups are fundamentally incapable of processing words for themselves and are only interested in making money of the government and maintaining an image. This is a WORLD SCALE scandal, it leads to deaths and the general back treading of the human race. Shame on you if youre too dumb to understand the message here and claim to practice "science".

@thejhonnie

11 ай бұрын

​@@kirschkern8260shill

This is not just an issue with predatory pseudo journals. The whole process of peer reviews is very often flawed. Even non-predatory journals rely on thorough reviews - but nobody really controls the reviewers and if reviewers can stay anonymously (and unpaid) why should anyone give a damn about such a review? The main issue is the perverted way academic careers work nowadays: if you want to get a job at a university you need to publish and get quoted. That pushes your rating and that plays a huge part in the selection process of new professors. This often leads to self quotations and groups of researchers quoting each other. Relying on metrics is the big issue but metrics are also quite a lucrative business. Journal Impact Factor is another part of it. Researchers need to publish and should publish in reputable journals. The reputation of a journal is usually measured by its impact factor. Older established journals by big publishers like Elsevier or Springer Science charge authors quite significant fees because of their impact factor and then charge universities again for subscriptions - subscriptions that often include not just the interesting journal but less attractive journals as well. Those publishers make an insane amount of money without doing much. Researchers write for those journals without pay, researchers are in for doing the reviews - without pay. Layout is often done cheaply in China or India and at the end universities have to pay thousands of dollars in subscription fees. Reviewers do that job because they kind of have to in order for them to stay relevant. Even "reputable" journals publish rubbish that passed peer "review". Best example is something a friend of mine experienced: some medical doctors wanting to calculate the area underneath a curve, obviously totally forgetting about calculus, then thinking about an approximation via small rectangles, then being proud of that method, naming it after themselves and putting that in the manuscript. Accepted and published. There's just one way to improve: open public review. Put the article online and let people comment and annotate it while signing it with their name. So if you fuck up you have to have to deal with it and everyone can retrace the publication process. And ffs stop relying on stupid metrics like impact factors - those are mainly there for publishers charging you twice.

@hwhw4414

Жыл бұрын

Ice berg slim could count the milage on a hoe with incredible accuracy. Look at her and know she good for 500 tricks. Around 490 he will make her a big offer. Jackpot Jon. Baby we need than Jon safe of money. Take this baggie. Put it in bis drink. When he passes out , find his brief case. It's full of cash. Split it with you. You can be gone. Trick night. Baggie. Drink. Sleep. Bit somethings wrong. She calls ice berg slim. Come over here. You should see him. Ice berg Sim shows up. You didn't put that whole bag in his drink did you ? Yea she says. Ice. Baby no. He ain't waking up. She freaks out. He will be missed. It'll come back on us Ice berg slim. No baby. This is all you. I didn't put anything in his drink. But I can fix it. Give me your half and owe me and I'll call the cleaner. Now she owes 500 more tricks. The money in the briefcase. It was already Ice berg slims. The Jon. He was sent by ice berg to fool her. He woke up later from a heavy sleep medication Ice berg gave her to slip innhis drink. The money for the cleaner went right into Ice berg slims pocket. That some cold moves. Beat her with a wire hanger. Then give her a bath and ecstacy to fix her and she will forget Ice berg the with one with the wire hanger .

@woodrunner51

5 ай бұрын

If only we could plaster this comment on times square

@dallysinghson5569

4 ай бұрын

"Put the article online and let people comment and annotate it while signing it with their name." As long as we're talking about the appropriate people rather than Thomas the Tank Engine and Postman Pat leaving neg reviews...

@joelschmierer3544

26 күн бұрын

@@dallysinghson5569 could make a test for people who make comments, like proving to have a Masters or PhD in some field (and stating to all readers in which field), and going through other somewhat rigorous tests (if they do not have a degree)

What strikes me as ingenious is releasing this to a group of hackers. Take a minute to think about that, investigative journalists posing a social issue to hackers while explaining the legal bottleneck in their reporting country from releasing further information. That's pretty genius.

@uis246

Жыл бұрын

I think someone can scrape by themselves and publish database in country where it is legal. Or The Pirate Bay.

As a person trying to get published, this just makes me angry.

@Davesoft

5 жыл бұрын

Why bother? Do the science you're paid to do, or if you must have your words read by others, I recommend science fiction or high fantasy :)

@piranha031091

5 жыл бұрын

The worst is when you're looking for conferences to go to and find nothing but these...

@JustinKoenigSilica

4 жыл бұрын

@@Davesoft publish or perish

@LynxSnowCat

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah; During PEQAB's audit (Ontario); We were told to submit our thesis to be published, or we'd graduate with diploma's instead of degrees. The professional org. we are legally required to join to practice also did review papers for publication-- but (depending on the program we were in) enforced strict APA or MLA formatting to be even considered for review. This would not be noteworthy if they did not flip/flop between APA and MLA style in their communications and publications, without ever explicitly saying which sub-discipline went with which formatting. I plainly asked their contact if they would accept two copies (one APA and one MLA), and just discard the unwanted version. Their reply was that the organization was running classes for an additional $300, and later the money *I HAD PREPAID* for dues was gone. Apparently suffering the stress of the submission process was the point, since I now have my degree yet remain unpublished (in my profession).

@NochSoEinKaddiFan

4 жыл бұрын

@@Davesoft If you don't publish enough, you don't get fundet; at all. And if your results are improtant, but not exciting, no one cares to publish you. Furthermore you have to pay money to get published. You think it is easy, unless you realise it is not.

I had a meeting for a course at my university last week where they 'warned' us about this fake science publications. But at the same time it was downplayed how bad this actually is. It was also said that these conferences and journals are great because you can easily get work published and have a holiday! Its horrific how this topic is treated at my university in Germany.

@generic_name4570

6 ай бұрын

in Germany of all places? that's wild

@dallysinghson5569

4 ай бұрын

Maybe it's "downlplayed" because generally competent researchers don't use those fakey fakes?

Reminds me of the antics of the "Yes Men" ...but these journalists are taking it to a whole new level. Bravo, we appreciate your efforts to expose these fraudsters.

This is still one of the most important talks I've seen at Defcon ❤️

Just want to point out that some journal spam is really difficult to determine if legitimate or not. They've perfected the art of walking absolutely on the razor thin line of appearing legitimate.

@asailijhijr

9 ай бұрын

For any single evaluation metric, you're likely to get false positive and false negatives. Surely there must be small journals trying to get established, which are taking missteps or being deceived by pseudoscientists. And it's likely that there are new fraudulent journals that are receiving above average quality or unintentionally fraudulent papers.

Thank you very much. This is an important contribution to the integrity of science. I regret that I found it only a year late. There should be a publicly available software tool that can be run against CVs to expose this, just as there is for plagiarism. Such a tool would be used during reviews for tenure and promotion. The existence of the tool and the implied shame would deter academic use of these venues.

This is PURE gold. E1: Also don't mess with people who have higher ups in patreva as friends.

OMG. This is beyond awesome! Great work! I'm very happy to see that this is getting attention. Also LOVE the WASET sting. Maltego developers help too. Thank you.

We need more funding restricted to duplication of studies already published.

Great talk! Thank you! It would be great if you could create a site with your scraped data and create a lookup. Where people could find their university and professors. This would get sorted out very quickly by the students, peers and the university.

Thank you for highlighting something that has been plaguing science lately. Predatory publishing, Scientific new aggregators and a lack of fundamental scientific knowledge is causing some serious issues for western society.

This is the awesome presentation, and really high quality research. Thanks for sharing! P.S. the guy in documentary looks like Mr. Robot

Thank you so much for this, this is great and really impactful. Can we please make crimes against society a crime?

@Jrez

5 жыл бұрын

Many are, and in some ways this type of exploitation is a crime, but it also takes someone with the authority to pursue enforcement for that to mean anything.

@tomcarlson7932

4 жыл бұрын

You have to think through things very carefully before putting someone in jail for something. Our society is acquiring too little a tolerance for malicious actors in a system and it tends to backfire. It's only a matter of time before someone finds a revolutionary discovery that blows all of the current scientific consensus out of the water and changes the paradigm. With laws like that, it may stagnate the entire field and gravely punish and discourage our most brave and intelligent people. Throughout history there has been a lot of inertia in the scientific community no pun intended. e.g. The sun is the center of the universe, information can't travel faster than the speed of sound, then mass can't travel faster than the speed of sound. All of those crazies on the corner playing with their fake "electromagnetic" invisible forces you can't see or feel are just snake oil selling shysters! We should lock them up! We shouldn't ever create laws against the freedom of expression.

I don't get emotional very easily, but I sobbed like never before when watching the documentary in the latter half of this video. The predation, the cynicism. It's almost too much. Fuck those people in the strongest possible terms. Who does this to their fellow humans? Only someone with no conscience. With extreme prejudice. Fuck them. Thank you to the authors of this documentary. Our generation does not repay your sacrifiice to the truth... yet. But, it is so important. Science _does_ work, but it will always face challenges by charlatans and profiteers. We must always hold those making claims accountable for their claims. Fuck the snake oil salespeople. Fuck them. And, ... ... Thank You.

While I identified this happening in 1983 from a major US university, I realized my input would have low impact. Yes, trust is weakened and misplaced on a daily basis. I’m glad investigative journalism may *finally have impact, but predatory publishing is bigger than ever.

Enlightening and terrifying.

Excited to untangle more defcon[tent] ! ;]

OMG thanks for the enlightenment!

Thank you guys, great job!

One day I gotta get my butt to Defcon! Thanks yall.

Gr8t one ☝️❤️

57:14 yeah Dude, the rug sure tied the room together.

A magnificent study in bullshitdynamics. Excellent work!

5% is a LOT. That's 1 in 20. 1 in 20 publications is fraudulent? that's SHOCKING.

Hacking them to the bone would make for a great defcon presentation (cf the laptop left unlocked all the time).

I can't stop instinctively trying to put the documentary on full screen...

@kirschkern8260

4 жыл бұрын

Hitler was on the cover of TIME magazine. 1939 TIME said "Hitler is the Man of the Year". So now TIME is a Nazi supporter or what?? By the logic of the poeple in this Video, TIME is a Nazi supporter now. This video says: "there are liars in organization X, and Michael Limburg was in organisation X. So now he must be a liar too." thats not science. Thats just blaming. They didnt make any scientific discussion,they not have any proof. They just mixed up things. This fake journalists using the same Tricks as the try to blame others for. . The main goal of this Video is to blame or attack Michael Limburg.But they do it with unfair tricks. They never mske and direct/open/fair discussion. As Science should do. Instead they use unfsir tricks as Shaming. To make other People hate Michael Limburg.

@thejhonnie

11 ай бұрын

Shill

@miproduction6196

Ай бұрын

@@kirschkern8260 well sometimes you must fight with fire 🤷‍♂ and this is a bigger, more widespread problem across the ENTIRETY of the scientific community, not just Michael Limburg. Plus, at least they're not giving purely ignorant, life threatening information. Just spreading awareness

Good, I can finally get my phd from Open International University for Alternative Medicine - you only need a small donation of $500 and either proof that you had 2 years of social work experience or a published paper... At least it was like that when I did a deep dive into one Masaru Emoto phd, of the memory of water fame... wanted to get a degree there since then :) dr. Toxis MD - trust me, I'm a fake phd!

@axeman2638

5 жыл бұрын

It's probably more credible and useful than many "legitmate" degrees from "official" institutions these days.

This is absolutely terrifying. I hope this get's stopped somehow, not only a scam, it's dangerous to society.

@requited2568

5 жыл бұрын

James Searle The main Journals are not much different. Very few of the papers being published have been verified or duplicated, which means they should not be accepted as fact by any real scientists. This varies by field of study but has become a problem through out the scientific community.

@woooweee

5 жыл бұрын

Its only half the equation, entire departments are based on fake science, like "gender studies". They leech hundreds of millions if not billions off society not just directly, but through the government/corporate programs they justify. The entire "unconscious bias" training scam alone is worth countless millions, and all based on junk science.

@jimsmind3894

5 жыл бұрын

It makes complete sense the more I think about it. It shocked me this sort of scam was a thing. There are obviously some less than trustworthy publishers out there. My scientist friends always tell me to read Nature instead when I ask about some controversial thing I've read! It's just a shame that this seems to be happening in this age, it feels like a new problem and a very dangerous one that needs to be stopped. Peer review in science is so important, and for a publisher of any kind to scam like this is so very wrong.

@dallysinghson5569

4 ай бұрын

@@woooweee Ah yes, a Fox News viewer.

Every single paper from these sites should be archived so we can track the filth from the fact after they disappear.

@Bergerons_Review

5 жыл бұрын

They are archived.

@timesthree5757

5 жыл бұрын

My problem with this is many of the scientific discoveries of today were labeled fake back when they come out. So to me this is all a way to do censorship without it looking evil. Let all ideas out fake or not. The stuff that works we can put morality to it later.

Thank you for your presentation I have enjoyed this and I have learned a lot thanks for your time and dedication to your research

I can't find the string for Google search from her twitter

@therealpanse

5 жыл бұрын

here it is. "N.N." site:omicsonline.org OR site:sciencedomain.org OR site:omicsgrouponline.org OR site:waset.us OR site:waset.org OR site:waet.org OR site:academicjournals.org OR site:imed.pub OR site:thescipub.com OR site:austinpublishinggroup.com OR site:iosrjournals.org OR site:alliedacademies.com OR site:conferenceseries.com OR site:sciencepublishinggroup.com OR site:davidpublisher.org

Very valuable presentation. I would love to see the documentary portion dubbed in English, rather than subtitled for my visually impaired friend.

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

5 жыл бұрын

You can have a look at ard.de. often german documentaries are dubbed in english for international publication. If you email them they should be able to tell you if a dubbed version exists

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

5 жыл бұрын

Or deutsche welle. They also have a lot of german journalism translated into english.

this presentation made me cry of sadness

Our primary goal should not be to prevent people from publishing in those bs-journals, we should communicate scientific findings with more nuance.

@TBFSJjunior

5 жыл бұрын

Impossible in a world of layman.

Anyone have a direct link to the documentary section so that I'm not watching an encode of recording of a laptop playing a recording? :P

@togamid

5 жыл бұрын

Here it is, but it originally is in german: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4OT1JSNpZOskZM.html

@ltomuta

5 жыл бұрын

www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/dokus/videos/exclusiv-im-ersten-fake-science-die-luegenmacher-englische-version-video-100.html

Perception depends on perspective. ~ Me Thank you and come again!

this is very funny and very dramatic at the same time.

Can we see what modern PR agents do at work all day, next?

TL;DR: *The validity of any study SHAN'T be attributed to its publisher(s), author(s), conflict(s) (or lack thereof), or even its perceived validity. Rather, its hypothesis SHALL be proven empirically by replication studies.* Well this sounds alarming but I'm not unfamiliar with the issue. The problem isn't really with a paper being published somewhere. To me the problem is with the "general public", they seem to attribute to much merit to a published paper. The validity of the source is important but not an absolute measure of trustworthiness. To me any and every paper is wrong and should be considered wrong until a statistically significant amount of replication studies are published by other scientist (preferably scientists not sharing any conflict of interest with the original paper [ie: conflict in paper A is "Company X", in paper B is "Company X"… That's bad]). The whole point of the scientific method is to provide safeguards against misinformation. It doesn't provide safeguards against people not observing said method. The validity of any study SHAN'T be attributed to its publisher(s), author(s), conflict(s) (or lack thereof), or even its perceived validity. Rather, its hypothesis SHALL be proven empirically by replication studies. A good example of why this is so important is "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" a paper published in the Lancet in 1998 (cf: briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-paper.htm )… The paper alleged "Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children"; to this day some people still maintain the belief that there might be a link between MMR vaccination and ASD despite the, frankly stupendous, amount of papers falling the reproduce the "findings". (cf: literally just pick one of these scholar.google.com/scholar?q=autism+vaccine+study&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart ) All that is left of the "controversy" is conspiracy theories. I actually don't argue against their beliefs anymore I simply say: "If 100% of children vaccinated were to develop some ASD I would still vaccinate all my children because an autistic kid, to me, seems better than a dead one. Wouldn't you agree?". My mother is one of those conspiracy theorists, I told her just that. She never brought back the issue. Now we just argue about -sugar- -placebos- "homeopathic medicine" -scam-

Very much looking forward to this talk. Nice to see direct views of professional investigative media in Germany that themselves have to fight with being called lying press. This stuff happening in academia is very disconcerting.

What BS... 🤣🤣🤣 "Nobody has ever subjected Einstein's theory of relativity to peer review."??? Apart from the decades worth of science based on it that would all have failed if it was wrong, I guess really no one has ever done so... This Limburg guy is a serious champ in mental gymnastics.

@TBFSJjunior

5 жыл бұрын

Yes and people like that are in government and get more than 10% of the population to vote for them. It is kind of frustrating to talk to people like that. I always think to myself "either you are stupid or you think I'm stupid" which is frustrating in both cases.

@johnfrancisdoe1563

4 жыл бұрын

Oxyuran His claim was that Einstein's original 1905 paper on special relativity didn't pass peer review at the time. This is a clear statement worthy of actual fact checking by someone with access to the relevant journals.

@TBFSJjunior

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 No but sorry no, that isn't what he has said. He didn't say that Einsteins theory of relativity was rejected by peer review, but that there wasn't EVER a peer review on Einstein's papers. Now the statement is true, that many of Einsteins papers were published without peer review (to my knowledge only his work with Rosen was peer reviewed and (rightfully) rejected and later corrected as there were same major errors), but that doesn't mean they were never peer reviewed. The current peer review process by journals is rather recent, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any peer review, but back then this happened after the publishing, which made the work accessible to the peers.

@dunar1005

4 ай бұрын

Just Google “einstein proven wrong”. And it’s just an analogy for everyone taking things for granted if they are around for long enough. Like spinach as a lot of iron.

@dunar1005

4 ай бұрын

I think you should clarify that you are referring to the guy in the documentary, and not the one on the stage. I was confused at first too.

Love the title. "Fake Science". So much fake science.

This is frightening.

@chedca

5 жыл бұрын

forgive me, I feel this is related and want to mention that the flu shot MIGHT make save you from being ill if a bird from Asia manages to poop in your mouth, if whatever was cultured from last years goose hasn't mutated too much already. By this logic we need to immunize ourselves against everything in our back yard, and everything in the soil across the street from our home, as well as the homes of immigrants to the country, at least once annually. While your immune system is attuning ,, you'll be especially vulnerable to simple bacterial infections meanwhile. A flu jab's efficacy is a really heinous lie and considering the sorts of adverse reactions reported to be associated with influenza jabs (see VAERS) like blindness death and paralysis , financial gain can not be the sole motivation.

@MultipleObjectSelector

5 жыл бұрын

nobody mentioned vaccines

@chedca

5 жыл бұрын

@@MultipleObjectSelector the predatory publishers sure did. Sorry you're right of course , I was very excited after seeing this talk

14:12 is absolutely hilarious and meme-able

I'm going to write a scientific paper tonight on the hydrodynamic interactions between high temperature gas and water... AKA why bongs give smooth hits.

Damn good actors

Verry interesting. Sad this is happening. Breaking science.

Someone needs to tell them about the auto-repeat button of VLC...

Its the update of the experiment and study of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont of work "Intelectual impostures", and journey of the article call "Transgressing the Boundaries: Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" in the american journal Social Text.

Are all of us stuck on a point on a periphery of a circle?Are all of us stuck on a point on the periphery of a circle? The distance between two points is a measure of the length of the line segment connecting them. It is a scalar quantity that is always positive, and cannot be negative. Therefore, it is not accurate to say that the distance between two points are opposites.However, it is possible that the two points themselves can be characterized as opposites with respect to some property or dimension. For example, two points on opposite sides of a circle can be characterized as opposites with respect to their position on the circle. Similarly, two points on opposite sides of a line can be characterized as opposites with respect to their position on the line.In a more abstract sense, the concept of opposites can also be applied to mathematical objects such as vectors or matrices. In this context, two vectors or matrices can be said to be opposites if they have the same magnitude but opposite directions. For example, the vectors (1,0) and (-1,0) are opposites becausethey have the same magnitude (1) but point in opposite directions.Overall, while the distance between two points cannot be characterized as opposites, the concept of opposites can be applied to the points themselves or to other mathematical objects related to the

Very good✍

I'm holding a TED talk; it will be held in the basement of my mum's house. Bring your teddies; let's converse?

@danielr82

5 жыл бұрын

That is exactly the problem... the trouble is greed, and it is the legit institutions and journals that started it! It used to be that journals were funded by the people that bought access to them, their business lived and died by the quality of the work they printed, then they charged to publish, so to most people it is impossible to tell the difference, both legit and fake journals charge to view, charge to submit, claim to peer review and have enough people in them from "trusted sources" that it's almost impossible to tell. as you say; TED talks has turned into the same thing now. pay a feed hire a venue buy in the back drop, you'll have the TED organisation stand behind and publish your views almost regardless of what they are. it is a pathetic state of affairs.

@Jrez

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah let's not get started on TED, it has been jumping the shark for longer than it actually has some value.

Grab the meta-data while it's still available. We may only hope the damage is shallow and undoable.

Interesting talk

I'm upvote 1000 yaaaaay. Dont downvote!

Between this and "There's no algorithm for the truth"... starting to understand the sudden and sharp rise of these echo-chamber nutjobs I have to suffer through of late.

Why isn't their heuristics going on with this? A study that has been been peer reviewed then duplicated causes increased confidence in the authors publishers and reviewers the more these are cited also increases confidence. So the more scrutiny is applied the stronger the paper becomes and the more credibility everyone involved has. Big data analysis can help this problem.

@Davesoft

5 жыл бұрын

"Big data analysis" you missed APT, cyber and cloud. No buzzword-bingo for you.

I really love defcon

Look at the font they picked for WASET logo. It tells it all

Comment about the videography of this Defcon presentation. The video very keeps flickering to black with a clicking sound artifact. It is very annoying and distracting. Please address that issue in future videos.

@johnfrancisdoe1563

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Curbelo This may be faulty equipment at your end.

Fantasic talk.

YES! danke halte es echt

Hi can you post search code? Thanks?

"The responsibility lies with the scientists". Wow... My understanding was that the root cause is the unrealistic expectations (constant publishing).

@johnfrancisdoe1563

4 жыл бұрын

Zsolt Imre The preference of bureaucrats to pay scientists according to the number of pages or articles written and published is certainly a major problem as even with legitimate journals, such bureaucratic interference rewards junk science over good science.

@Keymandll

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 Yeah, that's why I was surprised that the video said that it's the scientists that are responsible. (as quoted above) As long as we believe/say it's the scientists responsible and not those bureaucrats you were referring to, nothing will change.

Have they released their datasets? I would love to search it.

Is there a database of predatory publishers somewhere?

@squidkrill3417

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are several. Some well known ones are : predatoryjournals.com/journals/ ; beallslist.net/

I knew this would be big when I saw her earrings. This is a realm between life and death and the inclination of humans to do good.

For the millionth time "guys" has come to also refer to girls. It's neutral no one should apologize for using it to refer to a group.

@stackflow343

5 жыл бұрын

The odd part is it's been used neutrally for two generations by now, I do not know why anybody younger than 40 would have the impression it only refers to males. Not unless they're wingbats or live in a basement.

@greenpedal370

5 жыл бұрын

I was using "guys" generically in the late 70s.

@firefox5926

5 жыл бұрын

i disagree

@MattZelda

5 жыл бұрын

@@firefox5926 Why? That's been a thing for ages.

@UCH6H9FiXnPsuMhyIKDOlsZA

5 жыл бұрын

It's very much a regional and context thing. Where I grew up, a girl being "one of the guys" explicitly meant you were masculine enough to join in on the activities of the male friends. At the same time, "Hey guys!" could be used to refer to anyone of any gender. It doesn't bother me if people want to disambiguate their language by explicitly specify "guys and girl[s]".

Islamic finance is really interesting topic though.

The problem is the peer review process is equally corrupt.

I've lost all faith in humanity, again!

After seeing some mismanagement with strgF, This puts bit in perspective for me how still the German journalism Is in a good ethical state in general

You didn't mention the resource DOAJ.org which attempts to be a white list of journals. If you want to publish in a lower tier journal that is not indexed in Medline, Scopus, check DOAJ.org. If its not listed in DOAJ, better not submit. Also, you mentioned PubMed as it if is a white list, however, by NO MEANS does the appearance of an article in PubMed imply that the journal that published the article is legit. Before 2010, PubMed.gov was indeed almost synonymous with Medline. But there are now thousands of OMICS and other predatory journal ARTICLES in PubMed, due to a "loop hole" resulting from Open Access requirements of certain funders like the US government and GATES foundation. PubMed Central (PMC) has open access agreements with high profile funders to accept any research resulting from their funding... even if it is published in a predatory journal. As a result, PubMed (a search engine for PMC and Medline) will show you plenty of articles from omics journals, e.g. this link will show you over 125 NIH-funded studies articles in JUST ONE OMICS journal called J AIDS Clin Res www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=journal++of+aids+and+clinical+research All of these are respected researchers from prestigious institutions. Which further confuses others who find their papers in PubMed and think the journal must be legit. Therefore, do not recommend scientists to only look at PubMed for a measure of journal legitimacy. It has been infiltrated AT THE ARTICLE LEVEL by virtue of competitively funded researchers having made poor choices about where to submit US government funded research. They should have first checked with DOAJ.org before submitting.

=D most american cars are like that "it has lights it runs forward kinda, it's road legal" =D not the best comparison 58:00 hahahah =D Or maybe it was a deliberate mark

@johnfrancisdoe1563

4 жыл бұрын

JoneKone In Europe, the DMV typically insists on a recent test of each car to renew the license plate. In some places the police also conducts random road side tests of cars that are pulled over without prior suspicion.

That's dangerous!

Omfg this is hilarious!!!

Wow...

Grievance studies has this problem

- Ok, QA is there! *"Conclusion"* - job done!

with a gameboy, you say? XD

Saw them signs for area 51. Back home first day work. Ice breaker. What you think they ate on the arc ? Woman goes ive been there. I got pictures. Wanna see? Then I saw Noah's arc. The plants look like animals. And i think they partied. Hight tide raises all ships.

I got this Dr book fromn1870. Bout every page the cure is bread and sugar. Then someone says yea. It's the same as power of prayer.

Why not publish his name? Or report him to his professional society ethics board?

"Safe and effective".

Svea is a cool name

#TrustTheScience

Very scary stuff☠️

The translation doesn't make sense from 1:33:48. Her two hunches are both negative? My German is really bad (and yt's translation is worse), but I'm pretty sure she says her first guess is that the problem will remain small, not that it will explode. And if the English translation of the second guess is correct, why would she conclude that she's afraid of that outcome? Can someone who's fluent comment on this? Also in regards to this entire presentation, wow. I'm a young scientist and I try to do my absolute best to make sure my analyses are as clean and up to the literature as possible, and I tend to only use sources from papers/institutions which have been well established for many years, but I certainly don't have the time to assess every single citation in the papers I read, so it's rather scary to imagine some of my own work is being tainted, even insignificantly, by fake results. Great work, I'll definitely share this around.

@lucasmahler

5 жыл бұрын

"To be honest, i'm really curious about what will happen. There are two possibilities: either there will be a big bang or the scientific community will do everything to make this disappear as soon as possible. I fear the latter will happen."

@ollie-d

5 жыл бұрын

Lucas Maestro Thank you. This conclusion still doesn't make sense to me, why would she be afraid of the problem going away, did she misspeak?

@neur303

5 жыл бұрын

She literally said: "I fear we do number two" (of those two points) I think this is kinda ambiguous, depending on where you start to count. Maybe in her mental model she was looking backwards. I am pretty sure she meant that she's afraid of a big bang.

@ligius3

5 жыл бұрын

She's afraid that everything will get swept under the rug and all the mishaps will be forgotten. She would prefer it that everyone finds out about these scams instead of very few people. Otherwise everything will be repeated and all the investigative effort will have been in vain. At least that's my interpretation and my feelings as well.

@Nadeldrucker

5 жыл бұрын

@@ligius3 This is exactly what she meant. It's clearer in the original German, maybe it's an idiomatic thing. She basically said that she would prefer this whole thing to be as public as possible. (As would I.)

In all things we are related

So sick Call it pneumonia and im on ya

Das sind ja "gute" neuigkeiten

I'm not against science but I am against the behavior of homicidal corporate egoists. ECONOMICS IS DONE WITH THE BUTT

57:00 end of talk

Good work, but, there are quite a lot of highly questionable studies in Elsevier etc as well. It is an industry that needs reform. N.B.: Singling out one particular political party isn't exactly ethical either.. You are smart enough to do better - or, you are smart enough to keep your jobs in ARD and Süddreutsche.

Joe Gatto!

Did Till ever play EVE Online? if so, i might know him, he seems very familiar.