Here is more with the chief engineer with regards to other engine questions: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJl10tVrmqedfZM.html

I'd like to look at that guy in the eyes and ask what they changed to stop the bottom end failures. Looks to me they used the same bottom end. Hope they drilled the holes in the mains right for lubrication.

@SupramanTRD

4 жыл бұрын

James Penner I hope they now have a dowel or spline setup for the cam gears

Thank you for giving us the complete presentation, it's always good to hear from the horses mouth sort of speak. By first blush it looks like they have changed a lot of things on the gen 3. I wish Ram would come clean about the bottom end failures in the gen 2 engines. These issues where primarily on the '14-'15 engines, changing the oil spec's so you could run Rotella T-6 oil seemed to help. Something that everyone needs to keep in mind. America is one of the few countries that diesel engines aren't common in automotive use. Fiat has been building diesel powered cars for decades & have millions of them on the road all over the world, they aren't new to this game. Time will tell with the Gen-3. The first Duramax "LB-7" had fuel dilution issues which wiped out bottom ends when they first came out. Gm redesigned the Duramax and it has earned a great reputation ever since. Hopefully the Gen-3 eco will do the same. I'll be ordering one as soon as Ram opens the order books.

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

I thought by giving you the full presentation it might settle a lot of questions without a ton of back and forth. You literally have the same info I have.

No news on how they plan to fix all the spun bearings and bottom end failures? I'm gonna steer clear of this one.

@Daireishi

Жыл бұрын

Yea, they cancelled the engine. RIP.

@TheSouthpawSharpshooter

Ай бұрын

They changed the recommended oil

How is grey a carry over part when the low pressure EGR is brand new? Plus the media release states the piston and crank is different. Yet the chart has them as grey or a carry over part.

Did you ever ask the question about bottom end bearing changes? From the forum posts and a video on KZread by DG Pro Tech (guy seems to be very knowledgeable), that seems to have been the worst issue with these engines. The pressed on cam gear (which is apparently a quite common manufacturing process) slipping seemed very infrequent. You’d probably have to just ask if there were any bottom end changes at all or is it a complete carry over. Otherwise, if you reference previous bottom end problems they wouldn’t answer the question as it would be tantamount to admitting to problems. Curious that the crank and rotating assembly were grey so no change.

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

I've asked about that issue. There has been no change to that part of the engine. I've heard from many people who think this is a major problem and then from others who don't think there is a problem at all. Hard to draw a conclusion. Here is more with the chief engineer about this engine: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJl10tVrmqedfZM.html

I'm a Chrysler fanboy from wayback, with that said I would love to ask this Italian diesel engineer that has sooooo much experience with this type of engine, why did fca go through all the processes involved in r&d and still put it up for sale to the public, they had to know it was junk before it went out of development. The only evidence I need to offer is the fact they RE DESINED it. Boom, drop the mike, nothing else need be said.

My main concern is the injection pump runs off the passenger side camshaft and is subject to failure which as everyone knows grenades the valves on that head. Some say it's a rare problem, but I don't trust statistics, they can be manipulated. The injector pump needs to run off the crankshaft PERIOD! The excess stress put upon the valve timing system can cause it to fail and just because the sprocket is still in place, then technically the sprocket didn't fail, but the lopsided stress it adds did cause the timing system to fail. Take a look at the new gm duramax in line six,... that the way a true medium duty diesel engine should be designed.

Not sure about the eco diesel. I must say i’m not a big fan of italian automotive dependability but time will tell. One thing i really like that dodge is doing is offering it on every trim level. That is smart.

@SupramanTRD

4 жыл бұрын

Max Henry here in Canada they say they’re offering it on all models. But the reality is they only offer it on the rebel and laramie. At least over here. Sad because I really wanted a bighorn or sport

@kevinmayo3130

4 жыл бұрын

should have sourced cummins

What parts are able to be used on the 2nd Gen? I'd love to place the new turbo and new injectors on my 2014.

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

It is completely different from the block up. So, all of them? LOL.

@wesa665

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they may be revised or new parts. That doesn’t mean they can’t be used on the 2nd gen. Example the 2020 taillights can be used on the prior generations. People are doing conversion for the swap.

@wesa665

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they may be revised or new parts. That doesn’t mean they can’t be used on the 2nd gen. Example the 2020 taillights can be used on the prior generations. People are doing conversion for the swap.

Is this engine good?

Hopefully they will put this engine in my 2018 ram when this one takes a dump

Did the chief engineer talk about the cam gear slipping problem. This was the Achilles heal of the gen 2 eco diesel. I didn't hear him mention the issue. Maybe I missed it Thomas gh.

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

He basically answered all those Gen 2 questions by saying, “it is an all new engine.”

@cascios

5 жыл бұрын

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk Yeah but is the cam gear still pressed on as before or did they key it? Can we find out?

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Let’s collect a few more questions and then I’ll send an email.

@cascios

5 жыл бұрын

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk Great, thanks for doing that.

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Update: I just got word from the chief engineer. The cam gear is pressed on like prior gen engines. Nothing has been changed in that regard.

I'm looking to buy a 21 ecodiesel for some reason I don't see alot of people complaining about the engine until I got to this video are all these issues pertaining to the first gen engine or 2nd

@Pickuptrucktalk

3 жыл бұрын

Gen 3 or the current gen. First gen was sold overseas, 2nd gen was first in the U.S.

@Incrediblebowlesmodels

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pickuptrucktalk oh ok thank you have wanted a diesel for a long time my 14 silverado had the condenser go out and come to find out it's a very common issue I ended up getting a 2020 ecodiesel and I love it

@robertsoria9293

2 жыл бұрын

@@Incrediblebowlesmodels how is the ecodiesel holding up. I love my hemi but may look at an ecodiesel for the wife

So still the same junk high pressure fuel pump and crankshaft position tone ring? No mention of the crankshaft bearing problem? Basically a ticking time bomb just like the last version that will leave you stranded at a moment's notice.

My ecodiesel began leaking oil after its first oil change. What does the chief engineer have to say about that?

@Pickuptrucktalk

3 жыл бұрын

Probably wouldn’t say a lot. 😂

@Autobhnspd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pickuptrucktalk This man needs to be fired. So many are having timing chain cover leaks at low miles due to a poor design. This is a flawed engine.

@Joeblk10

6 ай бұрын

He'd probably say put on your drain plug properly

Still a belt cam drive or did they change to chain?

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Good question. I didn’t look at that, but I know for timing it is still a chain.

@SupramanTRD

4 жыл бұрын

jimmy aber it always was chain drive. But they had catastrophic engine failure from the cam gears. Better hope they installed a dowel or spline drive on the cam gears.

I have a tundra and im looking to find a fuel efficient Options but damn every damn other truck has the worst engine design ever smh what the hell is this?

Longevity of gen3 ecodiesel, 150k, 200k?

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they don't give out mileage estimates like that.

thanks for the video. HOWEVER. PLEASE PLEASE FIND OUT WHY THE 2ND GEN HAS ISSUES WITH THE CAM CHAIN COMING LOOSE AND GRENADING THE MOTOR AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH GEN 3 TO ELIMINATE THIS. WILL FCA/VM MOTORI EVEN ADMIT THIS TICKING TIME BOMB FLAW?

@jerkyturkey007

4 жыл бұрын

Changing the oil specs won't fix that deliberate design flaw, when will these ginormous corporations learn to see long term and not just their next quarterly report? You can't fix stupid, and that's what they think we are and if we continue to buy their junk, they're right.

ASK HIM HOW DO WE ALL KEEP OUR GEN 2 ENGINES FROM BLOWING UP? DO WE MAINTAIN RPM LEVELS BELOW 3000 RPM AND CHANGE OIL EVERY 6000 MILES? WE NEED NO-BULL TECHNICAL ANSWERS...FROM FCA/VM MOTORI.please & thanks.

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Update: I just got word from the chief engineer. The cam gear is pressed on like prior gen engines. Nothing has been changed in that regard. I've read a few forum posts regarding this issue and it seems more like bad luck than every engine having this failure.

@justingregoris3164

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply!

Would love to get a copy of that powerpoint slide deck.

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I can’t send it. However, I showed you all the slides.

Wow, Thick Accent. I think I heard him say something about redesigned EGR , which on the other Gen. Motors wasn't to good since it introduced Alot of Soot build up into the intake. ( I just watched a guy clean his EGR on an older 2015 eco diesel and he was pretty pissed off with all the soot inside his intake)

Ecodiesel....... Three generations since 2014. Does this thing say powered by ford on it somewhere?

@jerkyturkey007

4 жыл бұрын

Three generations (redesigns) in six years,... ouch! You can't fix stupid, and they still got it WRONG! Big time wrong.

if they sourced a Cummins for the 1500 i would own one

The chart for new and old parts is questionable. Grey is labeled as "carry over" parts. Yet later on in the video they clearly show new injectors, new piston, new turbocharger. I think the guy misspoke.

@fathergratwick

10 ай бұрын

all of that was in red in the main engine image diagram... the broke out parts in that image were all gray regardless of redesgn or not.

Should add captions

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

Closed captions worked for me. I just skimmed it though. Did you turn on closed captions?

I already have an oil leak on my eco at 2000 miles 😭

@NeverFollowTheCrowd

6 ай бұрын

How

@champion9743

6 ай бұрын

@@NeverFollowTheCrowd there’s a reason why they discontinue the ram Eco diesel full of problems

@NeverFollowTheCrowd

6 ай бұрын

@@champion9743 even the new ones? I’ve seen videos people saying they are good engines

@Joeblk10

6 ай бұрын

I'm at 37k with no leaks, no issues. There are stories of this thing blowing up at 20k. Other stories of them going 250k. All anecdotal. Take care of any engine and your chances are probably pretty solid to go as long as you need it too

Any word on KIA/Haundai pickups?

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

None.

What a useless presentation. No mention of chains and belts and the lifespan of those belts and chains. If they don't mention I'll assume it's a belt and will not buy this engine.

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

Not much I can say. That’s the presentation we get as the press.

@SupramanTRD

4 жыл бұрын

David Yee um it always had timing chains

I’m sorry but that “chief engineer” doesn’t look trustworthy at all. Judging from his body language, he has no faith in the product and is well aware of its fatal design flaws and crappy reputation. There is no saving this engine. Time for FCA to scrap this abomination and call up Cummins for a light duty diesel...

One word. Subtitles.

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

They are on last time I checked. Did they not show up for you?

@damaliamarsi2006

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pickuptrucktalk Only auto generated and it shows up as [Music} through most of the talk.

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

@@damaliamarsi2006 Ok thanks. I'll add it to my To-Do List.

Maybe generation 99 will have it’s problems fixed …engineering only cares about performance improvements while the engine is epic failure

Damn I can’t understand this guy. Come on RAM get a damn translator

@Pickuptrucktalk

5 жыл бұрын

Pour a stiff drink. It helps. :)

@Ekimsnegdoh27

5 жыл бұрын

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk hahaha I always have a stiff drink

Money well spent since they killed the engine already.

The sound when the chief engineer talks is not great

@Pickuptrucktalk

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I had to adjust the audio a bit. The room wasn't great and he wasn't miked up like I would like.

I wonder, when an engineer or designer of a major corporation in Mexico stands up to give a presentation, if the Mexican people can understand what he is saying?

1st comment

@chrisp3913

2 жыл бұрын

Mama mia

BxS engine from bs company … CEO should be jailed for no parts availability scam