Finally! I've been waiting for this interview for TWO YEARS now. You are really on a roll in 2024. This channel is going to E-X-P-L-O-D-E!! 50k subs. by EOY! 😎🚀

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting to do this one, too!!!! So unbelievably thrilled to have finally found time in both our calendars for Dr Wilson and I to sit down 😭🫶🏼

I'm halfway through reading this to my 12 year old at bedtime. Its amazing, so accessible and wonderful to read out loud ❤

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Oh my god I love this comment so, so much 🥹

@willhornby8816

2 ай бұрын

​@@MoAnIncthe kid is a massive nerd, I'm so proud 😂

As someone who has been working with languages for years as a foreign language teacher I have to say Emily Wilson made so many interesting and valid points about translation that we often stumble upon even when trying to learn, understand and use a modern foreign language (and we have native speakers of the language that we can actually ask). I fiddled with translation back in college and found out that I didn't have enough patience and perseverance for it, so I admire all translators and especially those that have to deal with very playful, archaic or poetic language. Anyway, I just bought the translation, so I can't wait.

1. Mrs Wilson seems to be very very clever person and highly educated. 2. Therefore she lets modern people connect with these texts. 3. She helped me learn about Homer (in just 50 minutes) more than all my teachers combined! (I'm Greek) 4. She's totally: right, we cintemporary Greeks understand only bits and pieces from Homer, probably less. 5. Looking forward to read her translation.

The AMAZING guests on this channel !, it can only be a matter of time before Erica builds a time machine to actually interview Homer in person 🙂

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Dr Emily Wilson is just the best educator out there. Love her work and her talks

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

🏆🏆🏆

This interview was so engaging and fantastic! I had some negative preconcieved notions about Wilson’s translations that I realized were embarrassingly flawed when I stopped reading online opinions and actually read her translations of the Odyssey and Iliad. Her explanations in this interview of the focuses and goals of her translations helped contextualize some decisions/approaches I still didn’t understand after reading. One thing I noticed in the interview is that sometimes Dr Wilson was working through a pretty interesting line of thought in her responses that were just begging for a follow up question, but you would change tack pretty abruptly to a different line of questioning. You are so knowledgeable and affable, so as a viewer it leaves me wanting more of a dialogue (although I know things like time restrictions or nerves could get in the way!) Love the channel, so much great content!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for watching - and UGH I KNOW!!! Unfortunately with this interview, Dr Wilson and I were VERY tight on time considering she so kindly slotted me into her very busy day of lecturing. On top of that, there were actually two follow up questions to her incredibly interesting answers that also had to get cut due to some spicy academia debates and not wanting to reignite anything from that corner of the scholarly classics world in this video 😮‍💨 Basically, I know EXACTLY what you mean, but I appreciate the way you so delicately pointed this out in your comment because IT BOTHERS ME, TOO!!! But alas, I’m still so proud of this interview and so thrilled that you found it engaging and fantastic 🥹🥹🥹 Thank you for your support 🫶🏼

I really enjoyed this interview. It is always interesting to hear the choices and approach a translator makes, especially with respect to the homeric poems. Thanks for doing this interview !

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning in!!

Loved this SO much! One of your best interviews yet! Although any of your content concerning the Iliad is always my favorite 😊

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so, so much 🥰

This makes me want to get on and read The Iliad EVEN MORE!! I got it for my birthday last week eeeaak😆

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Do it!!!!! 🤑

Achilles was Zeus's great grandson on his father's side, making him 5/8ths divine. Similarly, Aeneas had a little boost (1/128th) from Zeus on his father's side, making him 65/128ths divine. In case anyone is keeping score.

@jacksonrickert1709

Ай бұрын

Who wasn’t as great grandchild of Zeus at this point

How pleasing. I just recently bought both her Iliad and Odyssey.

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

They’re both magnificent!

This was SO brilliant! I'm even more excited to dive into this translation now! 😍

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching AND ALWAYS SUPPORTING, Lorna 🥹🫶🏼✨ xx

Yet another awesome guest! I’ve been recommending Dr Wilson to people for months!!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

😇

In book fourteen when Odysseus is chewing out Agamemnon for wanting to leave i cant help but giggle, the frustration Odysseus is feeling is so fun and understanding like 'Now is not the time for this BS Agamemnon' 😄😄

Very much enjoyed the Odyssey translation, and was struck by the agility communicating the text in a elegantly accessible manner. I will look forward to reading this Iliad.

@MoAnInc

Ай бұрын

It’s utterly brilliant!!

What an incredible conversation! Loved hearing from someone who is able to translate from these ancient languages! 🙏

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

🫶🏼✨

Wow! what a delightful and charming interview - and informative as well! You did a superb job of questioning and exploring such a deep topic.

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 🙏🤩✨

This was really cool. I'm glad I found your channel!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

🥰🫶🏼

A brilliant and informative interview. Such a privilege to be able to “ meet” an academic of this stature. Thank-you

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching ✨

It's official: 18,000+ subscribers. 20,000 coming in June! 🚀 🌞

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

🥹

What a fantastically enjoyable interview! Thank you!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

I’m so glad you enjoyed it!! ❤️

What a wonderful interview! Thank you both. I’m going to go listen to the audio version again. 🥰

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you SO MUCH for watching, Caroline! ❤️

its fascinating hearing all of the thought that goes into having to translate into english that then also brings something new to the text

@MoAnInc

Күн бұрын

🤓

this is a very interesting interview, thank you very much.

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 🤓

50:00 The best answer to that dilemma is that there is a major difference between knowing something and experiencing something. Someone can tell you how beautiful Cancoon is and you would have that information as knowledge but you wouldn't have experienced that beauty for yourself.

Excellent, thank you. Emily Wilson is amazing

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Truly a phenomenal scholar!

Absolutely tremendous! Thank you.

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning in!!!

I just found your channel today and I love it! New subscriber!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for joining the community!!! 🫶🏼✨

i love her pronunciation of Achilles on her guide 😉💯

Erica, thanks for getting into the weeds about the translation and approaching the language. So fascinating.

@MoAnInc

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!!!! 😇

Another wonderful interview, Erica. Keep up the exceptional job. I'm currently going through Anthony Verity's literal translations doing some prep for an upcoming interview project. ATM.

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

Great work!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! 😇

I had been waiting for this interview!!🎉 χάριν μεγάλην σοι ἔχω

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

😇🥳

Just started the audiobook. Highly recommend it

@MoAnInc

Ай бұрын

☀️

Emily wilson is great just finished her odyssey

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely fantastic!

BAP actually talked about this lady and he's right... 😂

As someone who minored in Classic Studies (Greek), Medea is one of my favorite characters. She is a very strong woman. My other favorite is Clytomenestra. The Greeks had some serious issues with strong women.

Loved this. Wonder if there is a reading of the original which of course contains the compelling and propulsive meter and rhythm of the drama. Even if one doesn't understand the individual Homeric words but may have a sense of the scene unfolding (because you would have prepared us for it!), this hearing in the original might have its own excitement. Thanks.

Back when I was translating, I was often looking, not for the "best" and "most accurate" translation of a term, but for the least misleading translation.

What a wondeful video

@MoAnInc

Ай бұрын

Thank uuuuu

I liked the Iliad by Michael Reck, in metre. I wonder what Emily Wilson has to say about it, and how it compares to her version.

Not many can make a blue yeti mic sound good. But you did!

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

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Loved this interview. Thank you. BTW have you read Ransom by Australian writer David Malouf? It retells books 22-24 of The Iliad. Malouf has written books about Australian history (as well as a great book about Ovid’s exile) but Ransom is IMHO his best work.

@MoAnInc

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for tuning in!

Hello friend I believe in the gods and goddesses of Olympus, today, As it was before, because of the faith and wisdom they transmitted to the world and gave globe a natural view.

Highly impressive

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks :))

I still honour and worship and adore Olympus and the oracles I dream that and Badly wish Would that I were in the Kingdom of gods and goddesses endeavour endeavour when they were glorified by the world. Amen.

She put the translation into the same meter and same pacing as the original whereas most translations don’t? Is there something else I’m missing?

Good book - proper men - proper women - high quality violence and adventure.

The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian but continue to be used. From Homer, you can get not only words but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences, there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology, and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944 Zeus was a Pelasgian, not a Helen. After Illyad, the language of Gods was Gheg - North Albanian Dialect. (Herodotus) Illyad and Odyssey were oral poems of Pelasgians.

@LondonPower

Ай бұрын

Lol 😂😂 are you on drugs or what?

@joek600

Ай бұрын

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Well, hello there!

❤

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

:)

I don't understand. No one actually spoke this language? Weren't these epics sung by the bards?

@artawhirler

2 ай бұрын

What she means by that, is that nobody ever spoke Homeric Greek "in everyday life". It was a special, "artificial" language, patched together from two or three actual Greek dialects, and was only ever used in poetry, or occasionally in literature. The advantage is that if you need a certain number of syllables to fit into a particular line, it helps if you can choose from various different dialects instead of being confined to only one. It would have sounded kind of weird and unnatural even to ancient Greeks, but we have to remember that they had known these stories by heart from early childhood, so they could easily follow along, even if this wasn't the same way they talked to their friends. Sorry for this long reply, but I hope it's helpful!

This interview is not only informative, but well conducted. (And the interviwer is easy on the eye, which doesn't hurt, either).

At least she is honest.The Greek speaking word had developed to perfection a language that they spoke and all of a sudden they started writing magnificent extra extensive almost impossible to replicate today pieces of poetry.That greek speaking world that starts with the Mycenaeans(1750-1050 BC)right? BTW need to update on their writing abilities cause they seem to have a writing system that dates back to 7260-5250 BC on the artifact called the dispilo tablet. So the achaeans are the Greeks.The rest of the peoples that fought against the achaeans are not Greeks even thought they speak the Greek language ,worship the same gods,share the same culture,share common ancestry according to the text right?So Achilles who is fighting with the "Greeks" but is a Minian descendant of the house of Hellin is not a Greek right? Poseidon is literally the god of disaster and to be precise Poseidon is the aspect of the divine that deals in destruction(to humans) of natural causes.Are we for real? Φίλη=the female person you kiss(expressing love and appreciation).Imagine all the possible people you kiss in your life,that's what this notion describes.Not wives not mothers not daughter not female friends but all of them.It is a different notion that doesnt exist in other languages.Now go back in history and be one of them and imagine the female person they would kiss in their day life. Why do Achilles and Patroklus who love each other have to have imaginary sex?

The Homeric language is not a greek one. It's pregreek,one of the dialects spoken in Illyricum.The only dialect survived and still spoken is the albanian language in two dialects,geg ( North Albania and Kosova) and tosk (South Albania,Toskenia,Epirus). There is an astounding simillarity of homeric with the geg dialect of albanian.Gjon Shllaku,the cleric who translated Iliad in albanian,declaired:"I didn't translate it.I only adopted it from albanian to albanian. I'll try to demonstrate it through any verse of Iliad written in latin letters. The first verse: Homeric:Minin aidhe thea Peliadheo Achileos. Albanian:Menin I a dhe Perendeshe Peliadh Akilit. English:The wrath you gave Goddes to Peliadhe Achiles. Menin is the acusative declination of the noun MENIA (nominative declination) meaning wrath in albanian. AIDHE=A I DHE=I A DHE means TO HIM YOU GAVE. DHE is the simple past,second person,singular (you gave). As to the word THEA,it's not used in albanian but we can find its etymology through albanian.It derives from the albanian verb THEM meaning say, order, sentence...(present tense, first person,singular).And we have the greek god of justice,THEMI. THOT is the third person, singular of this verb(he,she,it says) and we have THOT the egyptian god. THA is the past tense,third person.singular (he said) and we have the etruscan god THAGETA=THA GJETA meaning said-found who taught technologies to etruscans. THE is the the past tense,second person,singular (you said) and we have THEA,goddes. E THANA is the verbal name ( the saying) from which derives ATHENA ,ATHINA. The second verse: Homeric:Ulomenin I miri akaios alge e thike. Albanian:Ule menin I miri ake I nalt I thoike. English:Put down your wrath oh good achean highness they said to him. ULOMENIN is a compound word made by ULO and MENIN. UL in albanian means sit down,put down,slow down,relant... ULE is the imperative conjugation of this verb so ULOMENIN=ULE MENIN means put down your wrath,relent. I MIRI means THE GOOD.We see that the adjectives in homeric have an article(i,masculine) just like in albanian. E THIKE In albanian I THOIKE is the simple past tense of the verb THEM meaning they said to him. It's clear that Homeric and Albanian share a lot of vocabulary and the same grammar. ALGE in albanian is AJKE meaning creme of the milk. Metaforically it is used as the "creme of the acheans",the elite. The correct rithm of the poem will be taken if you read it in albanian. Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion.

I bought Dr. Wilson‘s book last year & really enjoyed it. It’s a pleasure to listen to her teachings. Now I see my guy Irving Finkle in the playlist. 🫶

@MoAnInc

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching my interview with Dr Wilson AND thank you for spotting Dr Finkel!!! I hope you enjoy that interview as well 🫶🏼

Just keep in mind that Seneka is closer to us than Homer was to Sneka.

@withnail-and-i

Ай бұрын

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