Fantastic video! One of the best summaries of this emerging org form I've seen

DAO Very well developed. Thanks.

"Blockchain is an institutional technology, not an information technology, there is an enormous difference between the two. Institutional revolutions are things that don't happen very often... once you see that it is a governance technology, an institutional revolution, that's the interesting thing, that I think has largely been missed" - Jason Potts, Prof RMIT

@SecretEyeSpot

7 жыл бұрын

Complexity Labs so, is a "democratic republic" a form of institutional technology?

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

I guess it depends on how far you want to go with the terms institution and technology. In the generalized sense, a technology is any system that has been rationalized to the point of automation. So I would not say that the democratic-republican political systems that we currently have are technologies in that they still depend on the "manual" work of people to maintain the everyday institutional structure, as opposed to a distributed autonomous organisation that automates that in the same way that platforms like Facebook already automate most of the workings of the social network.

@hzleyes7087

3 жыл бұрын

@@SecretEyeSpot are you saying FB is a DAO?

@SecretEyeSpot

3 жыл бұрын

@@hzleyes7087 um whats a DAO? its been awhile since ive seen this video

@hzleyes7087

3 жыл бұрын

@@SecretEyeSpot decentralized autonomous organization

Very good video

Excellent

Hmmm... partially agree. The founders of the U.S. didn't want a Democracy (Democracies break down once the average group IQ drops below a threshold level). Without factoring in leadership IQ a DAO is doomed. Sometimes the best decisions aren't the most popular because they require a long term planning perspective. "Give me free stuff by taking it from those with more" is very popular. Property rights and majority aggression prevention would have to be built into the system.

@seoid5525

5 жыл бұрын

The Hashgraph Zone hey, i am doing some research for ideas for my final year project in college (visual communications). Do you have any more thoughts or info regarding democracy and the need for a certain threshold of IQ to be upheld for it to be equal? I’ve never thought about it this way even though now it’s pretty obvious. Thanks in advance

@psokheh477

5 жыл бұрын

@@seoid5525 you could look around idiocracy, dictature of the mass, psychologie of mass (gustave le bon) Even in aristotle ( the politics ) there some trace of démocracy being fit for a population who have a collective intelligence > of the intelligence of the best individual

@moritzw42

4 жыл бұрын

Hey @The Header Zone, great comment. I think this 'test-for-IQ-approach' makes sense. However, Daos could not be "doomed" since a piece of computer code could simply test for the intelligence of its contributors. But I could not find anything about this event in history searching google (www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk007HfdevGfTwNRFa3nEVYosvmW5Hw%3A1586512039303&ei=p0CQXoiGEoLUsAfl0Zb4Dg&q=U.S.+founders+Democracies+break+down+average+group+IQ+drops+below+a+threshold+level&oq=U.S.+founders+Democracies+break+down+average+group+IQ+drops+below+a+threshold+level&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDoECAAQR0oJCBcSBTEyLTcwSggIGBIEMTItN1CjJFjlO2CnZWgAcAJ4AIABbIgB0wOSAQM0LjGYAQCgAQGgAQKqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjI9aL0yd3oAhUCKuwKHeWoBe8Q4dUDCAw)

@FigureOnAStick

3 жыл бұрын

That is true, though on the other hand, on smaller scales, people on the ground generally have a much better idea of whats going on than big organizations. I can see this being a very useful form neighborhood/village/firm level organization

@L154N4LG4IB

3 жыл бұрын

I’m very sure they said it would be by consensus. Meaning everyone has to agree. And besides, the algorithm could just decide for everyone.

Very good

DAO: like the philosophy...coincidence? 🤔

Great job explaining a complex concept! Hopefully people will realize how disastrous the idea of a universal basic income is, and choose this route instead. But if they don't, I guess that's their problem, and people like us profit in the mean time. Eventually the rest of the population will catch up though.

@ManuelWillCom

7 жыл бұрын

I'd like to dive deeper on the topic of UBI vs./and this, do you have any recommendations?

@enjoypolo

7 жыл бұрын

I still don't have a clear concept of how this would work in actuality (DAO). Maybe Steemit is an example of it. But I digress, I'm wondering why you think a UBI (U Basic Income) is a bad idea. Seems to me like UBI and DAO can work together to create a flourishing economy for everyone. Cheers!

@tatianaensslin4064

6 жыл бұрын

i think most people arent aiming for a universal basic income ??? if something like that were to be of interest, dont you think it would already be flourishing? I also think that its a little selfish to say that "people like us will profit in the meantime" its our job to educate and communicate things by framing them in ways that different people can understand. its our job to help "the rest of the population catch up"

Are there any apps or platforms/organizations that make use of this as of now? And I'm not talking about Ethereum (which arguably is the best example but isn't concrete enough for me). Is there a news organization working with blockchain, a mercantile company, anything. Or is it up to us to create it now? I have a hunch this will be as ubiquitous as having a smartphone ten years from now.

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

As far as I know there are few. The biggest example was The DAO (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DAO_(organization)) but it ended up being hacked with a big loss. Other than that, you have Aragon Network (blog.aragon.one/introducing-the-aragon-network-20b998e2caba), which, in the long run, will be managed by the Aragon Dapp by the community. This is what I know upfront. More information can be found at The DAOHub (forum.daohub.org/)

@GrecoFPV

6 жыл бұрын

Decenturion

@RobZen

6 жыл бұрын

eosDAC => eosdac.io

This content is very good, could I dub or subtitle it in Portuguese and post it on one of my channels?

2:14 Platform economy, built on Web 2.0 technology, organizations are a hybrid of distributed automated platform and centralized business organization managed by people.

@baatar

6 жыл бұрын

2:57 Blockchain tech offers the possibility to disintermediate these platforms by creating fully distributed systems of organization without need for a centralized organization supporting the platform. With the blockchain, we can create fully distributed global organizations.

And what happen when a person have more ethers than other in the vote? Does he have more influence in the dao?

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Depends on the design of the system

Just found your channel and i thank you already. Sub like share Here in France we got kindof an issue with représentative démocratie (yellow jacket). Ive looked a bit around, DAOdemocracy and futarchy mostly, but do you know any other lines of work, field or direction to explore in political modeling around DAO ? Démocracy is struggling, and social media strangling. But could DAO be the key to the democratie we need?

A very good introduction for the "uninititated". It could benefit from a guide as to what to watch and read next - can be external to video.

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Well, this video is based upon a paper we produced that goes more in-depth on the subject: goo.gl/SFn1Ka

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Also, this is another good presentation on the subject: goo.gl/VeAMn4

@baatar

6 жыл бұрын

Dead link

This whole signalling thing has really caught my attention lately. Will there be any upcoming videos covering signalling?

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Didn't have one planned but we have not yet covered the topic of "stigmergy" which is precisely that, a peer-to-peer signaling process, so may do that in the future sometime

@WayneStakem

7 жыл бұрын

Your channel probably isn't the right forum for these types of questions, but I'm really hoping for a little input from someone who understands Complex Systems. I have observed a phenomena on KZread and in trying to better understand this I associated it to a number of things, including how I perceived ecosystems, markets, and ants colonies. I came to find that all of these were classified as Complex Adaptive Systems, which seemed to be the answer I was looking for. This is really what brought me to your channel to begin with. Do you think that a Complex Adaptive System of agents who all value certain aspects within content could propagate on KZread? A system which only requires all agents to perform the task of consumption (usually facilitated by some means of recruitment) and consumers appear to be much of the backbone. While a minority of agents perform tasks such as direct recruitment (e.g. sharing channels and content of interest) and interaction with producers of content (e.g. reinforcement, requesting content). Some recruiters appear heavily dependent on what's within the boundaries of the system while others also function as scouts, using search terms and filters. There are a number of things I should mention as well, such as how the suggestions in relation to the videos shared within this system will gravitate towards other content desirable to this system. And the related channels in relation to the producers will begin to gravitate towards others producers of interest to the system. While the related channels suggested in association with recruiters and agents with activities heavily residing in these corners (e.g. viewing videos interacting with producers) tend to gravitate towards recruiters. To me, this seems like "swarm" behaviors/intelligence, but maybe I'm wrong. I was hoping on the input of someone who better understands this stuff. Another thing I should mention is that the producers usually gain most of their views, likes, and subscribers subsequent to producing content of interest to the demographic and they appear to have no legitimate value beyond this. Their content of interest will incomparably high views in comparison to their videos of non-interest. And if you check the statistics on their videos produced before they gained this popularity, you will find that much of the statistics will come subsequent (due to the foraging habits of certain agents I would imagine). And the videos which they produce subsequent to gaining this popularity will have higher views than their videos would otherwise have gained. Again likely due the foraging habits of agents drawn towards their channels and their newly found subscriber base.

@WayneStakem

7 жыл бұрын

Many of the agents in this system I am describing are regularly violating KZread's Community Guidelines and some are committing serious crimes. KZread does little to combat them (same can be said for law enforcement). They only take action according to user-submitted reports on the individual and often fail to take action at all. Their community-based flagging system is a total joke. It does not dismantle their networks. Although targeting high-ranking recruiters often has a serious impact, it's not enough. Also, even if you were to terminate all recruiters, that wouldn't completely dismantle them. The content by producers of interest to them would still serve as a common area and KZread's suggestions would continue to recruit agents. So they would maintain some level of organization and recruiters quickly reestablish order. Such a method would not "uproot" them. They have their roots deeply embedded into KZread. The best way I can explain it is that there's a constant flux of resources (e.g. recruiters, producer channels, content of interest) in and out of this system, but as a whole the system is quite sustainable. KZread seem to be cooperating with them as a whole rather than combating them. There's far more they *could do* to tackle the issue. I think there a few ways in which KZread could detect and combat the emergence of such audiences. I could elaborate a little more on the behaviors of the agents and the type of content they're seeking if that would be helpful... Just let me know if I'm not providing enough information for this to make sense. And if you cannot talk to me about this on your channel that would be fine, just please let me know so it's clear.

@WayneStakem

7 жыл бұрын

I read on Wikipedia that stigmergy is one of the key concepts in the field of swarm intelligence. Swarm intelligence is something I didn't understand very well but about all I could previously related some of this to. Do you think that this stigmergy thing could be facilitated through KZread suggestions? Previously I could only relate it to swarm intelligence and some of the concepts in information foraging theory.

@WayneStakem

7 жыл бұрын

Is there anyone who you could refer me to who might be interested in examining this system which I have discovered? There's one guy who's part of the system who has been abusing vulnerable people since at least 2010, but some evidence suggests strongly 2009, and the accounts of some individuals suggest 2008. I think it's something which a little awareness should be brought to. I mean... KZread allowing dangerous criminals to organize and prey on vulnerable individuals on their service. I don't think I could really take this issue on alone.

Ever heard of Rousseau of M5S in Italy?

@SystemsInnovationNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Yes for sure I have heard of the Five Star Movement and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. We have a course coming up on political complexity that talks about Rousseau, and similar movements to that of Five Start like Podemos in Spain.

@nicolatassinari8389

7 жыл бұрын

Didn't know Podemos had a law proposal system, good to know. Always fascinated about direct democracy and rhyzome concept. About cryptocurrencies i have some perplexity as a use of currency now, seen the flash crash, criminal use, hight speculation ecc. For me some regulations are required, but then the old problem of "who watch the watchmen?" rise again.

I'm just interested if people still prefer centralized networks to decentralized ones. I've read that article utopia.fans/blog/is-the-idea-of-decentralized-internet-viable/ and it seems that everything had changed already. Decentralization became so popular, most of the apps now are exactly like that. People will prefer it more, especially those who care about their online privacy.

7:37

The same concept moving around in different contexts and scopes

They almost squeezed in one token black person @ 5:00 but not quite.

unfortuantely this video is highly abstract and misses giving practical examples to allow pictures in the mind. AND there ARE already good examples for DAO's such as premium cola, a germany based non territorial company, that is operated on a consensus based software and fully transparent ... so the whole thing is not a mystery

Just come out in support of the zeitgeist movement already lol

@BenjaminKBroderick

4 жыл бұрын

No, people still have to actually work... It's reality, and nothing overrides reality.

Have you checked einc.io? They are enabling anyone to setup a DAO.

7:47 it wasn't hacked! Someone just used to code in a way the coders didn't think was possible.

This videos make me believe that ethereum, will be more valuable the bitcoin

"Nosedive" anyone?

@hanumanprasadchhimpa5062

4 жыл бұрын

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Ok, I'm going back to playing Horizon Zero Dawn...good luck everyone!

@H3c171

3 жыл бұрын

hahahaha that game is amazing!! really great execution of innovative ideas!

Let me play the devils advocate here: A company started with the resources and capital of the founder, through his/her hard work, blood, sweat and tears. Founder controls the capital. Its THEIR company. Goal is to fulfill the mission of the company and also to increase the founders (and maybe investors) wealth. Decisions are made by the founder and his/her team of experts. Why would the founder give up their control? it will NEVER happen. control and decision making is based on ownership of the company, which will NEVER be given up. How does this fit in with the concept of DAO?

@RaghavKhxnna

2 жыл бұрын

The founders still get to keep majority of tokens they issue for the decentralised platform they create. It's just that the contributers/users of the platform are getting real time returns as the platform grows.

lol

This can led to ☭

@L154N4LG4IB

3 жыл бұрын

Great. Finally, we can replace bosses with the algorithm. Oh, DisCOs are basically taking this to the next level.

This sounds dangerously close to utilitarianism. Ayn Rand would be proud. I don’t want to live in a society that emphasizes a meritocracy. Yes, nature is some what meritocratic, but if we emphasize it, there will be drawbacks like less variety and creativity. Also, being a part of a large immutable list would make me feel powerless. Most people don’t vote in the elections for that very reason.

@tatianaensslin4064

6 жыл бұрын

the issue is that DAOs should be represented by small groups to extent that it covers a range. not one set precedent. we as humans need fluidity by design.

The content of this video is probably good but I can't listen to this robot-sounding voice.