'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.'

No one uttered a word for atrocities on non Muslim minority like Hindu, Sikhs, Catholics of Pak😂

If Singapore is a prosperous country why Pakistan is a failed state.

There was zero logic from religious side. All I heard was a shouting match & emotional rhetoric from all three of them !!

@azadprinda3186

13 күн бұрын

Right

Ridiculous. They came to conquer Black Hole and settle scores with Hoodbhoy. Cleric’s team was miserable.

Where is 23% Hiindus in 1947 and. 3% now in Pakiistan.

Pakistani ko debate karte dekh kar lagta hai ki ye alag he duniya ke log hain. Inke saath rahna pade to dum he ghut jayega. Ye hamesha Islam Islam karte hain aur islamic desh me rahna nahin chahte. Jahan jate hain fir vahan Islam nafiz karna chahte hain

To Respected Mr. Parvez - Hindu religion is himself secular. It is our culture. It is your wrong concept that Mr. Modi would give a lot of disturbance in Muslim peoples. IT is your 'pakistani thinking' logic. Sachin Kulkarni - Kalyan Maharashtra India

@corpsertag5967

12 күн бұрын

He knows it. He just uses Hindu Rashtra as an immunity to save himself from the opposition as we all know that he will never talk openly about the truth or his life is under threat.

Dr. Hoodbhoy is great 👍 but Amber surprised me with her intelligence, arguments and logic and their third fellow speaker was brilliant whereas opposition was just shouting.

As a Indian Christian I have a simple question for Muslim in Pakistan and India.. if hindurashtra is bad for India and Indian minorities ... How is islamic nation of Pakistan a holy place.. And to Hindu.. if we see the disaster today Pakistan is.. how do you believe a theological country in name of religion a good thing in India

Indians are thankful to Jinnah. At least that population is not a problem of India any more and it can focus on science,technology and business while Pakistanis fight over religion and sects

What have you done to sikhs/ hindus/ Christians in NApakistan is known to the world... so do not portray urself as " holier than thou"

It looks like they want to give lectures on Islam instead of debating on the Point😂

No hope for Pak

Ridiculous arguments from religious side. If you can't practice islamic doctrine (even if it is ideal), you need rigorous reforms.

The major difference you will first notice is religious side were mostly shouting

A maulavi in a western attire what a joke! Hearing his sermons was mind blowing. Pakistan needs more of such kind of minds to take it more to the medieval times for that matter 1400 years back.😮

I am an Indian expat who is a Pakistani well wisher but I can firmly say that the likes of Hoodboy are fighting a losing battle. Pakistani has not future - sorry sad

Bhaghwan RAM accha hua yeh log humse alag ho gaye... nahi tau kayamat aa jati bharat mein

Hood bhai is winner❤. Very Sad on Aneek Ahmed.

brilliant arguments from amber, Hoodbhoy and their third fellow speaker. while sheer form of rhetoric, emotional speeches and last but not the least circular reasoning from opposing speakers. Long live Rationality

“ If a Religion wants you to give up your freedom, just give up that religion Nothing is holier than your freedom!” -Mehmat Murat Ildan

Well done Dr hodboy, anmber and Waqas sb

🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 that supreme court lawyer spoke well👍

The debate could have been even better if Dr Taimur Rehman had been on the proposition panel. Still, millions of salute to Dr Hoodhboy for his true jihad against ignorance and illiterate religious fanatics.

خزباتی ہو کر اونچی اواز میں آپکا موقف درست نہی ہو جاتا

Ironically the guys who are for Islam is wearing western dresses .. double standards are in great heights..and criticise west.. naukri aur paisa ke liye West chaiye..besharam log aur soch hain..

Minorities ko tau maar dala... abe tu kya minorities rights ke baare mein bol raha hey...

45:16 we all know how much muslim respect it's minorities. And how much islamic Republic like Pakistan protect the non Muslims. as a Muslim.. you feel bad when a person burn Qur'an but few months ago a hindu temple was demolished in Karachi Pakistan and a building complex is being made there.. hundreds of Christian home were destroyed ... I have seen Muslim in this comment section justify it why do you need temples in Pakistan.. In 2014 the organization, the All Pakistan Hindu Rights Movement (PHRM), published a survey report. The survey report found that 95% of the temples present in Pakistan since 1990 were destroyed or damaged. Out of the 428 places of worship, only 20 remained operational while 408 temples were converted either into commercial properties or into residential establishments. Out of the 20 temples, 11 were in Sindh, 4 in Punjab, 3 in Balochistan and 2 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Babri Masjid demolition in India only hastened the pace of temple demolition across Pakistan and Bangladesh. Around 1,000 temples were alone targeted or destroyed in Pakistan and 2014 PHRM survey findings continue to reflect in 2021 as well. From 20 operational temples in 2014, Pakistan now only has 13 temples managed by ETPB. we all know the love what you give non Muslim specially Christian.. . In 1947 Muslims threatened Christians that Pakistan was made for Muslims only and that if Christians wanted to stay there, they had to live a life of servitude and perform sanitation work.. "Sewer Cleaners Wanted in Pakistan: Only Christians Need Apply." Remember this add by pakistani army in 2020. Guess nothing much change here.. well it's hilarious when we see muslim pointing out isreal about the killing and Palestine or even Rohingaya or kashmir .. While the same won't say a word about the virtual annihilation by killing forced migration of non Muslim community in islamic country.. Where the native population is refused to below 5% in some places below 1% like afghanistan Pakistan Indonesia even all meddle east Have you ever asked why are the population of 31 islamic majority country have 95% + muslim population.. 39 have 88% + Why is it that it is impossible for non Muslim to live in these islamic country.. The Persian left for india.. The Afghanistan lost it Buddhist monastery But how many islamic country condemn the virtual inhalation of sikh from afghanistan who were 6 mn in '71 .. And less than 100 left today.. Or the forced conversion and marriage of hindu and Christian under age girls in Pakistan.. The inhalation of Ahemidia in Pakistan Indonesia and kurdistani mens and thier girls turkey syria Iraq Iran. even with your pride of allhamdulillah there are no non Muslim tribe in Somalia or 97% of Pakistan or More than half the countries in the Middle East-North Africa region have populations that are approximately 95% Muslim or greater. These include Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Western Sahara and Yemen. Kurds have had a long history of discrimination perpetrated against them by the Turkish government. Massacres have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. I'm sorry I still have not heard a single word of condemnation from any muslim.. Just look at only islamic State in India.. Where are the natives The reality is you expect isreal and India and the world to be secularist but you justified a killing because the alleged disrespect of quran in your own Bangladesh. And Pakistan and France While in India Christian we are among the richest religious demographic only second to sikh.. Earning 2 times the national average and have 2 highest education percentage.. Only second to jains.. Guess I am blessed to be born in India not the other side of the borderline

Second speaker quoting Quran again and again in a professional debate that Islam should be implemented in an Islamic Republic country wearing Israel's colored Shirt and Tie (White and Blue) and with mustache without beard and without head cover.

It was a wonderful and eye-opener debate. Kudos to your team.

Good debate! More of such good debates should take place. Thank you for posting. Just that, everyone needs to calm down and no personal attacks.

Pervez Hoodbhai was the best. Aneeq Ahmed was the worst. Pervez presented his case all encompassing though succinctly with a structure married with well reasoned logic maintaining his arguments in a natural flow. His rebuttal too was robust and convincing. Aneeq Ahmed is a DIY so-called religious scholar. When he was speaking it seemed as though some least educated moulvi was giving a sermon at a local village mosque. Lacking substance and rebuttal to Pervez's arguments, Aneeq intermittently recited Arabic Ayat instead of giving its Urdu translation for the understanding of the general audience. This is called a typical village moulvi. Sarmad Ali and Fahd Kazmi appeared to be well trained and experienced debaters though Fahd Kazmi sounded a Paindo with his punjabised accent of Ardo (Urdu). After Pervez Hoodbhai, Waqas Mir was the one who impressed the audience.

I have heard the whole discussion and have opened this again to put my comments. Mr Hood beoy has made a mistake by participating in this discussion. I do not agree with his view of BJP, however Pakistan is not a country matured enough to listen to his such matured views & are to live in the state they are.

@gulshan9132

13 күн бұрын

BJP IS A POLITICAL PARTY & ALL POLITICAL PARTIES ARE PRONE TO CRTICISM & ALSO ACCEPTANCE

Very thought provoking debate.

In modern muslims scholars ka ghussa aur jazbati speeches sa sabit hota ha kah. Packing new hai but Masala wahee purana hai. Wahee non muslims sa nafrat. Wahee aurat ko haqeer samjhna. Wahee insani azadi ki mukhalfat

What about capturing of Cathedral of Saint Sophia and converting into mosque?

Mr Fahad , what is your opinion about the percentage of Minorities decreased from 1947 to 2024 in Pakistan .There is superiority complex

Ye vo log hai jo Mughal Turk Arab k invaders ko apna Hero mante Hain 🙏😡

Every religion has their flaw, but the most flawed are those which dont evolve and become more humane with time.

When Dr. Hoodbhoy spoke passionately at the end, he shattered all the trickery and debate strategies of the opposition. This is a really good new initiative by The Black Hole team. Much appreciated.

Week arguments by Aneek Ahmed

Pakistan was created on the basis of Religion but was divided in to two nations despite following Islam, Islam is also divided in to many different institutions who fight with each other to finish each other ..many innocent lives have been lost at different places...

❤until and unless You will not give the freedoms to your female you will not become successful state

Brilliant from Pervaz Hoodbhoy.

although the guest speakers lack factual knowledge but very nice initiative and hope it will continue without any foreign intervention. ❤❤❤

The admin of the channel is requested also to see the response on each video so that more topics and ideas could also be addressed. I've shared a link of a video that is a response to the topic with a different outlook.

اگر ایک استاد کے شاگرد فیل ہو رہے ہوں ۔اسمیں قصور طالب علموں کا نہیں ہوتا۔استاد پر سوالیہ نشان ہوتا ہے

22:51 This radical guy scared me. Has he any Bank Account ?

What a great debate! You guys must proceed such debate sessions which is similar to Oxford union debate.

All religions divide us Humanity will ultimately unite us

جب تک ہم مجرم کو مجرم نہیں کہینگے تب تک کچھ نہیں ہوگا

Pervaiz Hoodbhoy ZindaBaad ❤👍. State must act like a state, free of any religious idealogy. Justice with everyone. No one above the Law.

Fantastic debate

I wish doctor sahib lives forever with us

Completely wrong. Muslims in India are doing much better than not only Hindus and Minorities in Pakistan but also Muslims in Pakistan. How many Minoriry Presidents has Pakistan had? None. How many Hindus,Christians in your cricket team? None. And if Majority Muslim Pakistan can be Islamic Republic of Pakistan why should you object to majority Hindu India to be a Hindu country. Pakistan is poor because of fanatic Islam.

There was zero rationality and reason on religious side. They said beautiful story of islam but not talk about geo-fencing evidence They talked about 1400 years ago when there was no sectarianism today islam is much different then before. Religious countries totally fail for instance Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran on the other hand saudi, dubai are reforming their self. A religious state has several disadvantages, including: 1. Potential for discrimination: 2. Limitations on individual freedoms: 3. Enforcement of religious orthodoxy: 4. Potential for extremism: 5. Restrictions on scientific inquiry: 6. Inequality and bias: 7. Conflict with modern values: 8. Potential for theocracy: 9. Limitations on social progress: 10. Potential for religious violence: On the other hand A secular state has several advantages, including: 1. Separation of religion and state: 2. Protection of individual rights: 3. Promotes scientific inquiry: 4. Fosters inclusivity: 5. Reduces religious conflicts: 6. Encourages pluralism: 7. Ensures equal access to education and opportunities: 8. Enhances international relations: 9. Supports critical thinking: 10. Protects minority rights:

@corpsertag5967

12 күн бұрын

Pre-Islamic Afghanistan was a Buddhist country that was open and free for all. Pre-Islamic Iran was a Zoroastrian Persia that never persecuted any minorities. Same with Pre-Islamic Indian sub-continent. There is no Pre-Buddhist Arabia or Pre-Hindu Middle East.

It was looking like a high school debate. But The initiative is good. Keep making improvements.

حضرت خدیجہ کے بزنس کی مثال دی گئ اسلامی حوالے سے ۔حالانکہ وہ تو اسوقت مسلمان ہی نہیں تھیں۔

Open discussions should be held on tv and universities. Black Hole in Islamabad is a great place.

Haha. The verbal fart from the religious side was without any logic

Dr sahab I have been listening to you since long which is a testament in itself how much I enjoy your lectures. I wonder if you remember in one of your debate in replying to a question about the rise of hindutva in India and the future political scene in India in this context you said India will, it seems, rise above it or words to that effect and this election result has proved it. All those so called political analysts in the country claiming being experts failed but you didn't. You have a learned man insight. I am sure one day an enlightened Pakistan will remember you for your contributions towards this achievement as being the one who took the first step in that direction all alone with masses shouting against him all the way. Please keep up the good work I wish the very best 🙏 🙏🙏.

Hats off to Prof Hudbhoy! Difficult debate to organize in Pakistan.

It is logic versus rhetoric! No debate at all!

Changes in positive direction as seen in forum is full 🎉

Good arguments from Left

The tragic stories of India's partition-marked by forced migration and mass killings-always bring deep pain and a lesson: never succumb to the religious rhetoric promoted by the local stooges of imperialist Britain, such as Jinnah, etc.

Salute to hodboy❤

Best speech by Ambar Shamshi. Fully agree, support and apprecaite all her points.

Pak is getting progressive, albeit slowly. Win for proposition is a slight hope for sure. Aneeek Ahmed was a huge disappointment, super illogical !

"WE still haven’t figured out exactly who Mohammad Ali Jinnah - Quaid-i-Azam - is or was, even in 2024. Westernised liberal secular, or champion of religious freedom for Muslims? Brilliant statesman or failed politician who played the religion card?"

I really liked this discussion ❤❤❤

Hindu rashtra jindabaad 🎉

The final verdict. that u can't even discuss general... Rights always r with superiority complex...the might of majority... With a fear of faililure

Dr. Sahab 👍

Dr Hoodbhoy & Amber have given sound arguments. Other speakers with closed mindset have proved a failure. No doubt Pakistan is a failed state.

Very ❤❤

Zabardast debate❤❤

Good discussion by Dr sb , amber, lawyer, and the last speaker

One thing common with all idiots across the world is that they start shouting to proove their point

The loudness of muslim clerics shows that they don't have valid aguments. The lady is really brave. great initiation by black hole to initiate such discussion. would have been great debate if shehzad(TPE) is invited.

Abrahamic religions are actually Geopolitical thing, while Sanataani Dharma is eternal and oldest,, secular

Jinah was the person who introduce Religiouse in the Politics. Today History proved British used Jinah and muslims as a colonial state

wowwwww awesome arguments by the lawyer amazing....................

Healthy debate❤❤

Prof.Hoodbhoy u are well respected among a Rational Pakistani. However ur last comment that if BJP ever comes to power then condition of Muslims and.christians,may become miserable. This statement seems to be too narrow and unrealistic given the roots and ethos of Hinduism. This religion is full of kindness and unity of mankind.Herein killing of ants and serpants treated as sin. On Nagpanchmi festival serpants offered Milk. Even rats are worshipped. All animals and even trees are worshipped. This kindness element to large extent embaded in genes and allowed success of Foreign Invaders. With Regards.

@user-wr5fe2pt7l

12 күн бұрын

HINDU RASTRA NEVER MEANS THAT ALL THE NON HINDUS SHOULD LEAVE THERE RELIGON AND BECOME PRACTICING HINDUS. Hindu Rastra means that every Indian irrespective of his religion should believe that he belongs to Indian land and he is an Indian first and his/her religion come only after that. This concept is missing among many Indian Muslims who feel that they have an Arab or Turkish ancestry although the fact is that they are all Hindu converts.

IT IS SIMPLE SCIENCE THAT PAKISTAN'S NAME SHOULD BE THE SEMI-ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN THIS WILL ACCEPT ALL OUR DRMAS ACCORDING TO ISLAM.

یہ ملک ہی اسلامی ٹچ کی بنیاد پر حاصل کیا گیا تھا ورنہ سیاست تو برصغیر میں بھی ہوسکتی تھی

13:43 Dear audience, why you came here. Go and operate your mobile at home.

No hope for Pakistan

Wow 🎉! Nice dialogue… really appreciate Parvez Hoodhboy… however, I don’t agree with secularism or anti-secularism… there are both France (secular) and Israel (religious) states who are prospering… these are the education and rule of law that will prosper Pakistan or any other country

Why are the religious lot screaming?!

I agree with Dr Pervaiz Hoodbahi,

Wowww need more debates like that... Kudos to Black hole❤

Surprised to see Dr Hoodbhoy speak in Punjabi 'Gal Mook gayee'

@_45sm-

13 күн бұрын

Hindutva is at least 10k y old and 90% of Pakistani are converts from Sanatan dharma.

@user-wr5fe2pt7l

12 күн бұрын

So what he has lived in pakistani punjab and has learnt punjabi.

We need 10 million Hoodbhoys and 10 million less Raja Qaisers and Tarik Jamil’s. If we are ever to get a civilized society.

The debate was not supposed to be about Islam... It was about religion And it's possible enforcement by rule

2nd part?

You should not be afraid of someone who has a library and reads many books; you should fear someone who has only one book; and he considers it sacred, but he has never read it

V nice thanks dr.sahib u are great