It’s embarrassing how weak the pro trans arguments are . Helen Joyce just nails it

@DJaneSyria

6 ай бұрын

Which is why they rarely agree to be on panels with women like Helen - people can clearly see who is sane and who is not.

@Abornazine

6 ай бұрын

@@DJaneSyria Hear, hear!

@jerrylong6238

6 ай бұрын

It's even more embarrassing to see right-wing religious people thinking they can actually read peoples minds, and know which sex they go by. Can you also read a gay persons mind and tell if he really loves the same sex person he says he does, or is he just faking it? TransWOMEN are not claiming to be cisWOMEN, so why do you people keep saying they do? TransWOMEN, claim to be exactly what they are, transWomen. So please stop saying they are claiming to be cisWOMEN.

@amberredish93

6 ай бұрын

Indeed. SO boring too 🥱

@calstonjew

6 ай бұрын

The pro gay arguments are just as bad, yet you all swallowed those and now accept it as normal.

The tragedy of this movement is that women like Helen Joyce have to waste their intelligence and precious time on such vile nonsense. ( and Aretha Franklin is rolling in her grave at Fred’s analysis of her song)

@RenegadeContext

6 ай бұрын

Isn't it a rediculous waste of time? We could be putting her amazing mind to much better use if these children weren't throwing tantrums

@AkitaMix

6 ай бұрын

Telling the truth has become a revolutionary act, like what Orwell said

@Dexter101x

6 ай бұрын

I think that anyone with enough intelligence would have to waste their time arguing with people who have no sense on this subject

@Problembeing

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Having those two cartoon rejects on the far right there was a grievous insult.

@calstonjew

6 ай бұрын

LGBT acceptance got us here, folks.

Knowing Helen Joyce is fighting for women's rights and female only spaces helps me sleep better at night. Thank you Helen for the work you do 🙏

@oligreen1192

6 ай бұрын

Definitely agree

@manymoonsahead

6 ай бұрын

I wish she was promoted more. She is the GOAT!

@charlesd4572

6 ай бұрын

TBH I thought she sounded rude and illogical at times often arguing against reductionism only then to use it later to dismiss the claims of Freida.

@joce11

5 ай бұрын

​@@charlesd4572 Aw, did you? Bless (eyeroll). For the adults amongst us Joyce nailed it as we expected she would. Joyce is a marvel of a woman. To me and many people it is ridiculous an intelligent woman like Joyce or in fact any man or woman in 2023 is having to waste their time and energy debating such non-sensical stupidity.

@charlesd4572

5 ай бұрын

@@joce11 thanks for the condescension. So she can discriminate on biological grounds in order to protect women's spaces - yeah. Well then why not discriminate against women entering professions on the same ground. For example, where physical strength is of primary importance. Is she arguing for that too - no! Well then her point is not one of principle but rather ideology.

I love what this woman is saying! Anyone trying to disrupt women's peace and safety is dangerous and should be kept out of women spaces.

@justathumb

5 ай бұрын

she always makes the excellent point that we separate mens and women's toilets not on the basis that ALL men are perverts or rapists, but SOME are. i don't know why transitioning makes people forget this basic biological difference in vulnerability. it's incredibly inconsiderate to women, and then to accuse them of bigotry, oh the irony 😪

@milaycastillo5723

5 ай бұрын

@@justathumb exactly!

@paulmaul

4 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@justathumbBecause this whole trans ideology is fraught with cry bullies trying to emotionally blackmail women into allowing these freaks into their private spaces. It’s amazing that transsexuals had existed for a while but suddenly they want to push their way into women’s spaces ; sports, etc as this psychological delusion grows more and more by the day. Notice no one is arguing for trans men aka women to enter men’s spaces and sports because it simply doesn’t happen.

A lone woman on a panel talking about women’s sex based rights, sounds about right. Helen Joyce is absolutely brilliant, and a excellent female role model. She also doesn’t look like a sack of potatoes, and sit like a bloke.

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

How do you know she's a woman?

@LucasBhata

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke we have eyes unlike you

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

@@LucasBhata So the test for cis or trans women at a public bathroom is just optical? If I showed you pictures of 100 women, your eyes could correctly distinguish cis from trans 100% of the time?

@catherinerobilliard7662

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke in a BBC documentary volunteers were asked to identify the sex of people in photographs; men tended to fixate on things like breasts, and got a few wrong; every woman had a perfect score. My husband asked me how I knew one passing man wasn’t a woman, and I replied his skin. Occasionally we may be uncertain but all you have to do is ask them a question, or watch them walk; even the centre of gravity is different between the sexes. We are our sex in every cell in our body.

@09cutie0pie

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke To distinguish the two has been optical for tens of thousands of years 😆 worked so far

I bloody love Helen. So calm, clear and rational. Fred is absolutely disgraceful.

@JB-rl4ik

6 ай бұрын

Fred defended PIE the p@dophile information exchange. He’s a terror!

@manymoonsahead

6 ай бұрын

She's awesome!

@kat19805

6 ай бұрын

Yes, he kept talking over everyone with ad hominem bs and then complained twice Helen was talking too much (she was talking no more than anyone else). The misogyny was palpable in his attitude toward her throughout.

@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf

6 ай бұрын

She is great mate

@suzannepadden7201

6 ай бұрын

That was a good watch. She is brilliant

Two biological males accusing a woman of misogyny, is peak irony

@teejworld

2 ай бұрын

were an intellectual you would understand that women can be misogynistic as well due to years of manipulation. women exposed to misogynistic views can still have the person align with those views.....

@MrFelixify

2 ай бұрын

@@teejworld I think my point went straight over your head

@teejworld

2 ай бұрын

@@MrFelixify it did not. you're trying to say that two men are telling a woman she's misogynistic, saying its irony, when you're ignoring the amount of influence men have on this world. women are bound to have misogynistic views...... can you think

@MrFelixify

2 ай бұрын

​@@teejworld The MAIN point is, she isn't misogynistic. THEY are. The most misogynistic in this is that MEN demand to have access to female spaces. THAT's the irony.

@OldGreyMulletTest

Ай бұрын

@@MrFelixify Exactly right!

Omgoodness. I feel sorry for those poor ladies sitting in front of Fred 😮 with his fish net tights, knee high boots and his backside on show 🤢. Helen, your sanity, intelligence and turn of phrase is wonderful to watch. Thank you for standing for women and girls against this wicked ideology.

Helen is saying nothing even slightly radical - and it’s enough to destroy this idiocy.

@BeaEss

6 ай бұрын

It would if these men finally took no for an answer.

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

She started off her talk by calling the trans panelist a man. I guarantee you that is a radically prejudiced way to speak in a polite conversation.

@LucasBhata

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke facts are not prejudiced, transwomen are men and we all know this

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

@@LucasBhata I imagine you're not the sort of person that misgenders to their face.

@Tempiku

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke Only a sexist would deem it "prejudiced" for a woman to call a man a man.

The person said there have been "no problems in seven years" without realizing how many women just opt out, fade away, disappear, and don't access the service.

@jennie271982

6 ай бұрын

Also, there have been problems

@victoryfaction

6 ай бұрын

It's a very clear example of survivorship bias. It's like when people say "we didn't wear helmets when we rode bikes in the 70s and we were fine!" No, *you* were fine but the children who weren't aren't here to tell their stories.

@Amy-wy1gd

6 ай бұрын

Yep. And what does he count as a 'problem'. Just because this person apparently didn't rape anyone doesn't mean there were no issues and no women were bothered by their presence.

One woman taking on four men to talk sense. She's a legend. But I feel for her...

@andrewleyden2752

6 ай бұрын

Marc Glendening is broadly on her side, no? And Matthew Lesh was just the chair/moderator.

@Gadfly333

6 ай бұрын

She doesn't need your feelings.

@paulmaul

4 ай бұрын

She held her own just fine. Sanity tends to win as you can tell the crowd was on her side

The fact that by the end of the video, the fishnets dude had managed to lose support for himself from everyone, including his debating partner is hilarious. Speaks volumes about what kind of person he is. His own teammate is literally swatting him away from him and shushing him. I was really pleased with how well the moderator handled the interruptions from him and the audience.

@maxwellmc9734

4 ай бұрын

Alcoholic

@benmartin4540

2 ай бұрын

I think they were drunk.

@OldGreyMulletTest

Ай бұрын

I don't even think 'fishnet thing' was drunk - just massively entitled, spoilt and not actually that bright. Peter T ended up looking like a very embarrased dad!

The pissed up "trans" individual didn't stand a chance against Helen's clinical rationality and poor old Peter's arguments as always were tenuous and feeble .

@anomietoponymie2140

6 ай бұрын

And out of date, Peter's information is out of date. For instance he seemed to imply that the effect of puberty blockers is reversible when it is not.

@matthewapsey4869

6 ай бұрын

None of it is reversible@@anomietoponymie2140

@user-tr8fs7lm8r

6 ай бұрын

Freda is delusional in her belief that people perceive her as a woman. Maybe some people in her community extend her some consideration, but no one looks at her and immediately thinks she's a woman. A trans identified man, possibly, a drag queen, possibly, but woman is a stretch.

@connernickerson5509

6 ай бұрын

​@user-tr8fs7lm8r and yet you referred to him as a woman 5 times in your sentence.

@andipandi5641

6 ай бұрын

i thought that Peter came very close to making some good points.. but yes Helen was on totally top form..

This is so ridiculous 😅 A drunk, grotesque fetishist and a nonce vs intelligent, reasoned woman. How did the pro groomer side think this was gonna be a win for them?

@ashm.5899

6 ай бұрын

LOL certainly didn't send their best.

@kyers9817

6 ай бұрын

💯🎯

@hangingaround2954

6 ай бұрын

Indeed, has everyone forgotten Tatchell’s 1997 letter?? Fred imitates every threatening girl bully that every girl has ever known. He’s desperate to physically attack Helen, it’s written all over him, women can see the signs.

@darrenmoorelufc

6 ай бұрын

@@ashm.5899 they don't have a best. This is them scraping the bottom of the barrel

@alisonwren3624

6 ай бұрын

Any pro-trans with an IQ above 100 KNOWS they can’t win against Helen. Hence the 2 lowlifes on the right!!

having to hear that man in fishnets heavy breathing for an hour was excruciating

@OldGreyMulletTest

Ай бұрын

Ok, that's enough about your weekend - what about that huge baby in fishnets in the video..? 😂😂😂

Hearing Fred talk about how he 'works with' vulnerable women makes me feel sick.

Fred was criticised for bullying a profoundly disabled woman and said she should be blacklisted and not given care.

@lynseypringle9585

6 ай бұрын

He is vile.

@insidiousmischka

6 ай бұрын

He's disgusting. Plus look at the way he's dressing ... he's literally flashing the people sitting in front of him ...

@annetteannette9205

6 ай бұрын

He was also sending her footage of his tacky dungeon p*rn I'll spare you the details

@LydiaA666

6 ай бұрын

He also threatened to tamper with her medical records and said she was a danger to NHS staff for wanting same sex care. He is a nasty, repulsive, bully. He sent pornographic photos of himself to her.

@carolebrown-op7jg

6 ай бұрын

He has left the NHS - just announced it today.

Listening to Helen is a balm on the festering cancer of madness plaguing this dying world.

@catherinemichele7391

6 ай бұрын

You took the words right outta my fking face Jilly xox

@sircabooci4506

6 ай бұрын

I could listen to her all day!

@asic45

6 ай бұрын

Very nicely put !

@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs

6 ай бұрын

She’s talking rubbish she’s like someone who wants us to ignore medical science she’s like those people who state the Covid vaccine and isolation was wrong

@brandyturner341

6 ай бұрын

Why, because facts hurt your feelings... give me a damn break, you an everyone else knows she's speaking the truth.

Helen Joyce is a Western treasure!!! Eloquent, well-reasoned, and utterly brilliant! Give me hell, Helen!

"In seven years there have been no problems" says Tatchell. A very male response, not understanding that FEAR of violence is almost as bad as actual violence. Why should women be expected to live in fear, just to placate the whims of a few blokes?

@lena-Ramone

6 ай бұрын

Excellent point ❤

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

Yes!! He seems to think women should be assaulted a few times before this can be proven to not be a good idea. The idea of risk mitigation is lost because...well. it's only women and children, hey? Not as important as someone's (often theoretical) feelings. Notice the onus of proving that it is a good idea is never placed on the new movement, the ones who want change. Women bear the risk and responsibility about something we never asked for, yet again. Also, there are many assaults. They just don't get reported.

@donttouchyerbumnsniffit

5 ай бұрын

A few blokes with serious mental health issues

The way Fred became so vulgar about “f***ing women with his female penis” Was such a display of him being a male bc I guarantee no women would get up there and say that. He was such a terrible representative of his community he didn’t do them any favors.

@user-tr8fs7lm8r

6 ай бұрын

She's full of it. Nobody and I mean nobody, no matter how dimly lit the club, is trying to get with Freda; not man, woman, nor sasquatch.

@jujutrini8412

6 ай бұрын

I’m glad he was there. He was a good representative.

@laurenjones2909

6 ай бұрын

Yeah he made me feel sick when he said that to be honest

@howigotover798

6 ай бұрын

A heterosexual male trans activist who calls himself non binary defended someone like Fred who made unwanted ,uninvited,out of context se**al advances towards me and he publicly called me transphobic for referring to him as a he.That was all that mattered to him and not the offensiveness of his actions.This is how r**ey this movement is.

@Amy-wy1gd

6 ай бұрын

Operation Let Them Speak moving forward nicely.

"Shush, I'm talking" should be our new mantra. Treat them like the children they are. WTG Helen. ❤

Keep speaking Fred, people are peaking. You do our job for us. Well done Helen for taking one for the team x

@fokkerfilms560

6 ай бұрын

And keep allegedly flashing your bits too 'cos you're only proving our point re the autogynophilia creep factor!

@The_ScapeGoat

5 ай бұрын

Autogynephilia is real

@user-jf3lo6ss2i

5 ай бұрын

@@The_ScapeGoat Who said it isn't? The issue is that Freda thinks he's a woman. I'm a woman. Me n Freda ain't the same.

Why are trans identified men not building their own facilities and raising money to fund them, as women have done?

@smokedmessias1607

4 ай бұрын

Because they want to be affirmed as "real women". In today's world, that means going places and doing things that ONLY women are allowed to. Having their own spaces wouldn't accomplish that. It wouldn't be "validating". Intruding on women and stealing their spaces, medals, job positions, etc. is the whole entire point.

@MayaLuna1

2 ай бұрын

because that would trigger dysphoria and/or disrupt the sexual euphoria

Joyce won't lose a debate on this topic. It's never gonna happen.

@James-ip1tc

6 ай бұрын

It's really not a debate it's the trans side saying succumb to my beliefs or else.

@memyselfandi2506

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, however at the same time it’s not hard is it. I mean what are we arguing??? “boys have willys”. They can come up with whatever concept or loophole they want. The fact remains… boys have willys. It’s that simple

@abirdkilledmeh

6 ай бұрын

​@@memyselfandi2506That's true, but they will try to scare and confuse people who say that, and those tactics will never work on Helen Joyce

@memyselfandi2506

6 ай бұрын

@@abirdkilledmeh ah yeah I see where you’re coming from now. When debating a transformer There’s the intellectual part of it that I was referring to which is so basic it’s beyond belief. Nothing Helen is saying here impresses me and that is absolutely NOT me disrespecting Helen it’s just that everything she says is just so damn obvious. I mean at one point she points out that calling a black man the n word is not the equivalent of calling a man “he” 🤣it’s INSANE that she has to point that out The second part is dealing with all the “scare and confuse” tactics that you point out. This is something we ALL need to just get over. I will happily say I’m transphobic. Do I hate transpeople??? Nope but that’s no longer what the word means. According to activists It also means I don’t want 2 sleep with a transperson and on that basis, sure I’m a PROUD transphobe 🤷‍♂️

@memyselfandi2506

6 ай бұрын

@@tinwhistlemusic1191 I don’t think you understand my point. I’ve purposely dumbed it down to Boys have willies and Girls have foo foos Cos it’s just that simple. You can talk about the Y chromosome if you wish but there’s no need to even go that deep. Do you have a Willy? Yes? Then the Y chromosome is a given… you’re a boy I’m not going to talk about boys who chop their willys off because I’ve never met someone who’s done it. Talking about crazy hypotheticals to prove their point it’s what the TRAs do Boys have willies Girls have foo foos Simple

OMG when Peter tells Freda to stop drinking the wine!😂

@lindalaw5466

6 ай бұрын

@@abcxyz2927 absolutely! 🤣

@amandawalker6190

6 ай бұрын

I know, I actually felt sorry for him then, he realised Freda's rant about sex wasn't the best thing

@susiegluxman9041

6 ай бұрын

I know that was hilarious! What a train wreck, gotta love the fishnet stocking, boots and tiny skirt, the whole world’s his gynecologist as Patsy would say. He wishes. 😂

@Open_Space0718

6 ай бұрын

I know, he's already masculine but if he drinks anymore he will become intoxicated, ultra-masculine football hooligan Fred.

@radubradu

6 ай бұрын

this is also happening right at the moment when Joyce is making a jab at how masculine Freda looks while he's drinking like a pig, the whole scene is priceless

A biological male pushing into women's spaces. Making decisions for women while claiming misogyny is the most ironic thing that could ever happen, but I'm the crazy one.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 ай бұрын

Funny how it's never the transverse (oof, terrible pun, soz 😁) where MtF trans are shoving into make spaces. They negotiate their way in, just as women always do. I think this is a fine example of how men do things - old Fred here was virtually waving his dick at everyone. He's even sitting like a bloke but we're supposed to ignore our lying eyes as he tells us we're misogynists even tho we're women and....eh? It's so unbelievably sad. I never thought I'd find myself on the "other side" in this, I've always been behind those suffering true gender dysphoria but I can't get behind the politicisation of this.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 ай бұрын

Funny how it's never the transverse (oof, terrible pun, soz 😁) where MtF trans are shoving into make spaces. They negotiate their way in, just as women always do. I think this is a fine example of how men do things - old Fred here was virtually waving his dick at everyone. He's even sitting like a bloke but we're supposed to ignore our lying eyes as he tells us we're misogynists even tho we're women and....eh? It's so unbelievably sad. I never thought I'd find myself on the "other side" in this, I've always been behind those suffering true gender dysphoria but I can't get behind the politicisation of this.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 ай бұрын

Funny how it's never the transverse (oof, terrible pun, soz 😁) where MtF trans are shoving into make spaces. They negotiate their way in, just as women always do. I think this is a fine example of how men do things - old Fred here was virtually waving his dick at everyone. He's even sitting like a bloke but we're supposed to ignore our lying eyes as he tells us we're misogynists even tho we're women and....eh? It's so unbelievably sad. I never thought I'd find myself on the "other side" in this, I've always been behind those suffering true gender dysphoria but I can't get behind the politicisation of this.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 ай бұрын

Funny how it's never the transverse (oof, terrible pun, soz 😁) where MtF trans are shoving into make spaces. They negotiate their way in, just as women always do. I think this is a fine example of how men do things - old Fred here was virtually waving his dick at everyone. He's even sitting like a bloke but we're supposed to ignore our lying eyes as he tells us we're misogynists even tho we're women and....eh? It's so unbelievably sad. I never thought I'd find myself on the "other side" in this, I've always been behind those suffering true gender dysphoria but I can't get behind the politicisation of this.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 ай бұрын

Funny how it's never the transverse (oof, terrible pun, soz 😁) where MtF trans are shoving into make spaces. They negotiate their way in, just as women always do. I think this is a fine example of how men do things - old Fred here was virtually waving his dick at everyone. He's even sitting like a bloke but we're supposed to ignore our lying eyes as he tells us we're misogynists even tho we're women and....eh? It's so unbelievably sad. I never thought I'd find myself on the "other side" in this, I've always been behind those suffering true gender dysphoria but I can't get behind the politicisation of this.

Fred is a prime example of why we need to keep fighting for the rights of actual adult human females.

@lsmith6036

4 ай бұрын

The said panelist started ok, but then half way through went a bit silly. The panelist Did not get the audience, but compared with most tra activists, was seemingly calm at the start, but ended up being as daft as the rest of the tra movement.

I feel bad for Helen and the gentleman next to her who have to waste their time basically drawing science with literary crayons to explain how reality works outside of some people's heads.

@Jenny-nz8fb

6 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s very difficult arguing with stupid people like Fred and Tatchell.

@user-tr8fs7lm8r

6 ай бұрын

🤣😂

@BirKadinim

6 ай бұрын

Yep and even when drawn with crayons they are too dim to understand.

@next_door_rigil3270

6 ай бұрын

Why? Scientifically speaking gender and sex being different makes sense. We are not as dimorphic as other species especially because of the use of clothes. We had to create mechanisms to reinforce gender and make effective communication easier to achieve.

@next_door_rigil3270

6 ай бұрын

@@Arripa-777 My country has lots of short people. In the winter I literally cannot tell with their coats and they are not fat. That is the point. We have to look at their bags, their hair, their clothing. The amount of times I have wrongly assumed is embarrassing. The only thing they need is to have long hair and they fool me.

Tatchell and Fred are perfect examples of why women want their own spaces.

@rooroon3t

6 ай бұрын

Do you mean woman? He seems to have decided to further obfuscate matters by refusing to use the word "women"

@Alice-ot5hc

6 ай бұрын

No, you speak as if women are all in agreement on this and that is patently untrue!

@Alice-ot5hc

6 ай бұрын

Freda*

@zeldagoblin

6 ай бұрын

Defending a fetishist who was flashing the front row deliberately? Nice.

@ashm.5899

6 ай бұрын

@@Alice-ot5hc FRED FRED FRED

it was absolutely correct for only Helen to receive all the applause.

Peter says we all dress according to gender. So when I wear pants I'm a guy and when I wear a dress I'm a woman. Phew glad I got that sorted.

@jazztheglass6139

6 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Does wearing dungarees, timberlands, and a baseball cap make a she a he ? If a man and a woman wore identical clothes, a 1 year old baby could and would differentiate between them

@jessicavergara1932

2 ай бұрын

It was such a bizarre claim coming from someone who sounded so intelligent.

@smokedmessias1607

2 ай бұрын

@@jessicavergara1932 He did not sound intelligent. He has the intonation and vocabulary one might associate with someone who is well read, but at no point did he make a smart argument or say an intelligent thing. He didn't even seem to understand what his opponents general viewpoint or objections are.

Helen Joyce is one of the most brilliant women I've ever seen

@barekicks

6 ай бұрын

She was the right person at the right time to take on this battle and I feel so honoured to be witnessing her rise.

@DetransLizard

6 ай бұрын

@@barekicks 100%

@dninan05

6 ай бұрын

a mathematician is better at questioning assumptions than a philosopher. she is a mathematician.

@manymoonsahead

6 ай бұрын

I love her brain and logic! She is undefeated! I'd love to see her on a jubilee episode against 10 trans activists.

@roleat

6 ай бұрын

Many normie women are saying the same thing as she and frankly all of the Academics are to blame for this mess. The lawyers follow and then our pathetic political leaders.

One woman and 4 men. Sums up the debate quite nicely.

@lidahall5928

6 ай бұрын

Yet she still wiped the floor of them, thankfully!

@TheNesbittExperience

6 ай бұрын

The chilling effect is the unfortunate consequence of gender identity politics. “Attempts to silence women based on the views they hold regarding the scope of gender identity and sex in law and in practice and the rights associated with these, severely affects their participation in society in dignity and in safety, as well as their country's prosperity and development.” Reem Alsalem, UN

@waynebollman

6 ай бұрын

@@lidahall5928 wait, how many women and men are up there? how can you tell?

@ribbonsofnight

6 ай бұрын

@@waynebollman according to Peter all they need to do is change clothes and it could be 5 women or 5 men.

I so grateful that we have someone on the side of sanity like Helen Joyce.

Tatchell has an article on his own website talking about how awful it was for the government to chemically castrate Alan Turing, but he's calling for chemical castration and even worse bodily mutilation of gay children (after also denying them the right of puberty by putting them on puberty blockers). Hypocrisy.

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

Yes, he says he fights for gay rights while participating in modern gay conversion therapy, and says he fights for women while fighting to take away our voices, privacy, success, dignity and safety and telling us we are wrong when we disagree with issues affecting us. The fact he keeps using "human rights" as his motivation makes me wonder if he does not consider women and children as humans too, also worthy of rights.

@nielszindel1151

2 ай бұрын

@@MarthaAnthony .. Peter has no idea what he is talking about anymore. Delia Morris

Protect Helen Joyce!!!!!!!!

Peter Tatchell, the man that argued to lower the age of consent should not be invited to comment on women and children’s boundaries. Instead he should have his hard drive checked!

@Oceanfoxy

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

@anomietoponymie2140

6 ай бұрын

True but as Helen pointed out, organisations like Stonewall and Mermaids who supposedly represent trans people refuse to debate. So organisers take what they can get.

@pipoo1

6 ай бұрын

Thatchells argument centres around the absurdity of the criminalisation of teenagers for engaging in sex with their peers, because guess what 14/15 year olds have sex. He has never advocated over legal adults being allowed to engage with these age groups, the fact you straight away engage in filth like that shows your arguments on this subject are weak at best. These laws quite obviously don’t protect minors from pedophiles, but they do result in innocent 15/16 year olds getting criminal convictions for simply experimenting with sex.

@Gerry_Davies

6 ай бұрын

@@pipoo1 You are misinformed. The evidence is all over the internet by now. He has advocated for 'intergenerational sexual relationships' on numerous occasions.

@derrickknight7164

6 ай бұрын

@@pipoo1 He's written a book in which he offers “a rational, informed perspective on sexual relations between younger and older people” and documents “examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal, beneficial and enjoyable by old and young alike”...

The term man to address a biological man is not the equivilent of the N or P word. I wish Peter wouldn't use POC to defend his Point of view.

You cannot say that trans people using toilets is accepted by everyone where there are real, tangible punishments for speaking up against it. Punitive and coercive control exist in this space and they nullify consent.

@sachamarkovic3329

6 ай бұрын

Mixed male / female bathrooms have been a thing for decades. You would just be laughed at in my workplace if you started whining about trans people in the toilet, certainly no punishment for it.

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

@@sachamarkovic3329 But I would have a choice to not work there. I wouldn't have my kids there and there probably wouldn't be vulnerable grandmothers. More to the point, you probably know (and so have vetted/ have accountability for) everyone who works there. And herein is the issue. I don't have a problem with trans people using the space if they are transsexual. I have a problem with predators taking advantage of self-ID laws to gain access to vulnerable women and children in public spaces where we don't know who is using the space. But my point is more that we cannot take any lack of dissent or protest as consent when people are not free to express their thoughts.

@sachamarkovic3329

6 ай бұрын

@@MarthaAnthony I'm confused, are we talking about trans people or predators? I mean its pretty easy to agree with any measures against predators. I don't know where you live but people are free to express their thoughts. Most people I know have no problem in telling me what a threat they believe trans people are to society - even though there are barely any trans people anywhere near us. People are just consumed by fear these days.

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

@@sachamarkovic3329 Predators who get in under lax rules, like selfID.

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

@@sachamarkovic3329 And I said, my comment is about consent. The culture is that people cannot say what they think. When they can't, consent cannot be assumed. Was referring to a comment in the debate.

Peter Tatchell has a very sketchy past apparently promoting paedophilia and he had largely disappeared from public life until he found this new income stream. Helen Joyce Wipes the floor with these idiots every time.

@hangingaround2954

6 ай бұрын

Indeed, the 1997 letter, why wasn’t he investigated???

@nforne

6 ай бұрын

​@@hangingaround2954 That man is disgusting and he lies as easily as he breathes. He claims that his letter to the Guardian was edited. But he forgot that he followed it up with a second letter in response to the backlash, in which he never once mentioned that his previous letter didn't represent his views. He also frequently misquotes his letter, changing the words “may be” to “is” in this line: “While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia...” As if that wasn't enough, he contributed a chapter to a pro-paedophilia book. When criticised he said he was tricked into it and would never knowingly have done so. But then it emerged that he'd also written it a glowing review. He had an excuse for that too. Horrible man.

@snowbunny783

6 ай бұрын

Not surprising that he’s supporting pedophelia. These type of people always are. It’s the end game.

@jamesclark6487

6 ай бұрын

OP, Peter oozes what you allude to.

@Alice-ot5hc

6 ай бұрын

He never promoted paedophilia -it's a gross mischarecterisation of what actually happened, manipulative and dishonest

Helen Joyce, the voice of reason, making fact based arguments as usual. Meanwhile Peter is in the corner, ignoring women's concerns whilst grappling with a drunken man in a dress 😂

@RenegadeContext

6 ай бұрын

If Helen Joyce or any woman on the other side turned up dressed the way that man is they wouldn't be taken seriously at all. It amazes me what these men get away with

@Anonymous_Company

6 ай бұрын

I felt bad for the audience. They had the view of a sausage stuffed in fishnets.

@sueedwards9334

6 ай бұрын

Drunk or just a nasty rude man?

@lynseypringle9585

6 ай бұрын

@@sueedwards9334 both!

@SiPhillipson

6 ай бұрын

When Peter told Freda "no more drink" I hadn't seen the wine on the table. It explained a lot and to be honest is quite shocking... Though maybe not surprising.

How can a born man XY chromosome, tell me a born female XX, tell me it's okay for them to be in my bathroom without me having prejudice... I have a friend who was brutally attacked by a man in a communal space who nearly didnt make it out alive! What a joke... Thank you Helen for being brilliant in terms of reason and bringing a logical voice.

@slipstreammonkey

3 ай бұрын

As you admit, your severely prejudiced. Not sure how that bolsters your argument. Your basing your opinion for a group people base on a friends experience. And not even with the stated group!

@niram4107

3 ай бұрын

​@slipstreammonkey She is discriminating against men being in a woman's bathroom. She is discerning (a synonym for discrimination) that a man has breached a boundary and thus is a potential threat to her safety. A transwoman is a biological man and thus falls within the group designated 'male'.

@djgeneralbounce

3 ай бұрын

​@@slipstreammonkey safeguarding rules involve the exclusion of whole categories of people to prevent the extreme cases described above from happening.

@slipstreammonkey

3 ай бұрын

@@djgeneralbounce I worked at the YMCA and their are many safeguards for children, males and females. The point of safeguarding is making it reasonably safe and convenient for everyone not for excluding groups of people. I think everyone's fantasy or what a bathroom experience would be is wildly narrow minded

@djgeneralbounce

3 ай бұрын

@@slipstreammonkey whether you think it's narrow minded or not is irrelevant because that's just your opinion. Quite frankly it should be perfectly legal to exclude any group of people from any service, unless the excluded parties can prove that they're being excluded solely on the basis of overt hatred such as antisemitism, racism and so on. We've had such services quite reasonably for years - we have dating apps exclusively for black people, Jewish people, gay men etc (BLK, JDate, Grindr), we have single sex salons and support groups, trans exclusive support groups and more. People have been perfectly fine with this because we accept that some things just aren't for us, it doesn't mean the groups that use them are against our existence. The only people demanding inclusion into spaces that aren't for them on the basis of "you're a bigot if you don't", are trans activists - mostly men who identify as women demanding access to any female specific service, cheered on by their mostly gay male "allies". These people just need to get over their entitlement and learn that no means no if women don't want them there.

Is Freda secretly anti-trans? She really seems to be assisting Helen in making her point.

@Summer21.

6 ай бұрын

Fred is not as smart as he makes out and without realising it, he helps others make their actual points.

@The_ScapeGoat

5 ай бұрын

He*

No wonder “trans” people avoid debating this issue- they have no coherent arguments at all and need to argue for 3rd spaces instead of violating women’s boundaries.

@partiellementecreme

6 ай бұрын

You don’t even need to prepare for a debate with a trans ideologue; it’s simply a matter of pointing out the absurdity of the things they say.

@Zwaantje516

6 ай бұрын

So true. Any movement genuinely concerned with “safety” would be behind 3rd spaces but they aren’t. Why? Because the goal for the majority of men they represent isn’t personal safety, it’s to get access to women, to transgress their boundaries and the power and sexual high “euphoria” from seeing women frightened and uncomfortable. Any woman who’s been “flashed” will tell you- only the most sadistic and dangerous of men get a high from doing so. Ergo, any man demanding access to women’s spaces is exactly the type of man who should be nowhere near them.

@OohTarquin

6 ай бұрын

​@@abcxyz2927😂😂😂

@janhendry

6 ай бұрын

That is why a debate like this is a very rare occasion.

@alisonwren3624

6 ай бұрын

They don’t want 3rd spaces they want WOMENS spaces it’s the Autogynephiliacs need for validation as a woman which drives them

Helen Joyce always owns the room. Feelings and actual reality are not equally valid, not sure why people like Peter Tatchell actually believe these kind of nonsense statements. Wonderful to see a debate like this that was mostly respectful though, I hope we get to the point where there are more and more open debates between people with radically opposing views.

@liamliamsson7405

6 ай бұрын

HELEN! HELEN! HELEN! 👏

@Gingerblaze

6 ай бұрын

Re: tatchell = lack of self awareness of his own misogyny and latent homophobia.

@calstonjew

6 ай бұрын

@@Gingerblaze Gays don't like women. They have no obligation to pay lip service to their bullshit to get laid. You interpret a man being honest as 'misogyny' because he doesn't have a horse in that race.

@Malky5279

6 ай бұрын

​@@GingerblazeI believe it's more cynical than that. He's been a campaigner his entire life, now that gay people have the same rights as everyone else his issue is basically dead and buried and like Stonewall he finds himself in need of something else to campaign on.

@Amanda-xx7sj

6 ай бұрын

@@Malky5279he and others could easily turn their focus on improving the lives of gay men and lesbians in other countries. There are so many suffering. Instead, they turn their lens inward and feed narcissists that harm women.

Has anyone else noticed how immature, self centred and emotionally based most intellectual convos about trans ideology seem to be? I’m yet to see a pro trans advocate who makes logical sense and treats others respectfully in the face of intellectual discussion. They don’t sell themselves well… no wonder all the lobbying happens behind closed doors

@naturallyithink6521

4 ай бұрын

It doesn't help that Fred's balls appear visible in part of the video.

@abhinashkumar3161

4 ай бұрын

​@@naturallyithink6521 shame on u

@chernobylcoleslaw6698

3 ай бұрын

Yeah Freda responds to a policy question by talking about himself.

@exdetransitioner

2 ай бұрын

@@naturallyithink6521Why are you so obsessed with genitals?

Gonna be honest. Tatchell made sense. Then he talked bs about gender identity and how i dress reflect how i identify. Basically saying the diffrence between my dad and mom is a wig, dress and makeup.

The way that Fred is glaring at Helen... Trying to be intimidating is quite infuriating. 😢

@sharyljames9864

6 ай бұрын

And Helen just ignored him 😂 that must burn.

@impossibleagent3663

6 ай бұрын

Helen just casually brushing some dust of her shoulders is just the golden response to this.

@drewboyd7508

6 ай бұрын

There was a hell of a lot of testosterone behind that man's glare.

@Paula-qw5dk

6 ай бұрын

He was frightening me. The way he try’s to intimidate. He was also picking up paper throwing it then getting more and folding it. To break people’s train of thought.

@arandorapress7561

6 ай бұрын

I suspect that Fred is one of the people that Helen may have a grudge against. She had a very cold shoulder freezing his castanets (which were practically on display😂). She beautifully and mercilessly squished him on the multiple copyright infringements. A beautiful and poetic way to deal with a narcissistic destructive moron.

Cheeky of Helen to cite all those statistics about how women don't commit murder only to eviscerate two guys right up there on stage in front of dozens of witnesses.

@noiregrimoire

6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@susandavorn3249

6 ай бұрын

🎉😂

@hastings_press

6 ай бұрын

Haha BRILLIANT!

@tracyaf6084

6 ай бұрын

This comment is gold 😂

@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs

6 ай бұрын

Yeah Lucy lexby must not be a woman

We need to get fred and peter in front of as many people as possible. Share far and wide! Such a colossal waste of helen joyce to have to debate these people but here we are

@smokedmessias1607

4 ай бұрын

Well, at least they were willing to have a debate. Usually that is against their religion.

It’s so creepy how Freda was trying to “mirror” Helen the whole time. It’s almost as if he’s telling us with his body language that he knows she’s the “genuine article” and he’s a mere fraud. And that realization caused him to start to deflate like a balloon and consume far too much liquid courage. Almost made me feel sorry for him. Almost…but not quite.

Re:Freda. The male entitlement is strong with this one.

Fred got drunk and lost the entire debate. He showed exactly who he is and what men like him think about which is how he has sex and with whom.

@partiellementecreme

6 ай бұрын

@@abcxyz2927 Helen’s face at that moment is gold.

@partiellementecreme

6 ай бұрын

@@abcxyz2927 he is probably tweeting all about the terfy panel of transphobes who ganged up on him.

@umamicashflow1809

6 ай бұрын

Good catch. I was listening to this while doing house work and laughing my head off at Freda’s input. Makes sense that he was actually drunk. Yeah, Peter was not happy to have had to sit next to that, also evident from his reprimanding Freda for interrupting him. Embarrassing.

@kayrb2475

6 ай бұрын

If Fred the fetishist’s skirt was any shorter we’d see his man-tackle; but that was always the idea wasn’t it? Loves a bit of exhibitionism does Fred …It’s all good though, dirty old man is now rebranded. He’s a laydee, so it’s fine. And when he’s not getting his lady-todge out he likes to harass disabled women; especially when they say they don’t want intimate health care from larping men. Then there’s p3do/MAPS apologist, advocate for adult + child sexual relations (ie r@pe: children cannot consent) creepy PeteTatchell. What a pairing; per\/ and the p3d0. Helen has a strong stomach. I couldn’t be in the vicinity of those two.

@partiellementecreme

6 ай бұрын

@@umamicashflow1809 back up a few seconds to watch her wince when he says “women who are intimate with me.”

Thank god for Helen Joyce. Every debate needs a no nonsense irish woman who is incapable of losing an argument!!

I’m coming back to this debate after watching Helen recently on Andrew Gold’s Heretics channel. Helen mentioned the fetish clothing Freda appeared in and sitting in a way he was flashing the audience. I didn’t notice this before but it’s absolutely disgusting. The rudeness of those two transactivists when Helen was talking. Ridiculous! The moderator really needed to take a firmer approach here.

@elsie1634

4 ай бұрын

I concur! Women do not behave in this manner. He was abominable!!!

@elsie1634

4 ай бұрын

I concur!! That fetishly dressed man was abominable!!

Anything with Peter Tatchell is poisonous. Helen Joyce is a true heroine.

Love, love, love Helen Joyce. Thank you, Helen for your bravery...and your intellect.

Ultimately, Peter is letting his fear of hypothetically and intangibly being on the "wrong side of history" completely occlude and outweigh women and children's real fear of actual assault.

@samezidrovibes

5 ай бұрын

Yes the reality we live - one he will never understand.

@MarthaAnthony

5 ай бұрын

@@samezidrovibes And yet he so vehemently dismisses it.

Helen Joyce you absolute wonder ❤❤❤❤❤❤

Fred is so intellectually feeble - how does he get invited to stuff? Attacking Helen Joyce and Sex Matters as misogynistic deserved the laugh it got and was just hateful. As the debate progressed, Fred provided equal parts irritation and comedy value (I guess he's not used to events where they provide free wine!), Peter was twisting himself round corners in an attempt to sound logical and the gentleman called Mark kinda faded into the background. Helen Joyce owned the room. Thank heavens for Helen Joyce - without her, the world would be a scarier place for women.

@BeaEss

6 ай бұрын

We need Fred to make our point for us. Operation "let him speak" is powerful 😂

@sweatchivanswett7995

6 ай бұрын

Fred LMFAOROTFLSM 🤣

@penfro

6 ай бұрын

I agree what you say about Helen. She’s HUGLEY important as a shining light. Oh how I wish we had George Carlin and Chris Hitchins still with us. They’d rip the Gender borg position to shreds. And I’d have given away my house to hear Terry Wogan’s (RIP) views on the Trans idiocy!

@MosesDeLaRoses

6 ай бұрын

​@@penfroWogan? Really? The bloke who played ABBA and ELO records?

@penfro

6 ай бұрын

@@MosesDeLaRoses yes, he was a stalwart for common sense delivered through a disarming humour. What a great loss.

Tatchell telling Wallace “no more drink”. Says it all. Helen Joyce - all power to you. You’re a glorious woman.

@fokkerfilms560

6 ай бұрын

Imagine dialling 999 and that showed up.😟

Notice how Helen uses statistics about relative strength of men vs women whereas Peter resorts to the logical fallacy of appealing to anecdotal information, regarding a small trans woman, to try to make his case.

@kennethprola5136

6 ай бұрын

And a short guy is still going to have plenty of advantage over a tall female on a soccer field. Look at Messi!

Tatchell seems to think racial insults are on a par with calling a man a man ...well said Helen !!

Why did they cut the end off? Show the whole discussion. Helen Joyce was brilliant. This is a good example of the power of "letting your opponent speak".

@anomietoponymie2140

6 ай бұрын

Yes, not being able to se the end is very frustrating.

@MarthaAnthony

6 ай бұрын

Or enough rope. I think it is hard to argue that this is all about identity not fetish after this debate.

What I learned from this debate… Keep woke people away from any ability to affect decisions of authority or power!

@ApacheMagic

6 ай бұрын

Don’t let them drink 😂

There are a couple of Basic Instinct moments there, but Freda ain't no Sharon Stone!

“I’m the only person here who’s voice hasn’t been deepened by puberty” 😂😂😂 queen

It’s nearly impossible to outshine Helen Joyce and her razor-sharp mind. Marc Glendenning did well and I hope he continues to debate the Gender Borg.

Helen is stellar. Amazing performance.

I really felt for Helen here, being the only one making a case for female safety and trying to get our voices heard with the others trying to reject them.

Imagine a man dressed as a woman is saying that a real woman standing up for real women's rights is a misogynist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@nicksmith4924

6 ай бұрын

No kidding! You can’t make this shit up!

@non_ideological_transexual7414

6 ай бұрын

Women should have rights as men should but to think that you are entitled to any rights simply because of your DNA is sexist & misandrist. It was also feminism that brought us to this extreme place.

@Nous520

6 ай бұрын

👌 👌 👌 👌

@harrywan2604

6 ай бұрын

he said that because he needs more men to screw omg....this is awful. i CANT believe this has gotten so far.

That man in a dress LITERALLY said that women in shelters aren’t concerned about trans women in their spaces, they’re worried about dealing with systemic misogyny, and has zero awareness that this entire movement is misogynistic to its very core.

@calstonjew

6 ай бұрын

Feminism is misandrist to it's core. And listening to feminists got us into this mess.

@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij

6 ай бұрын

Like any of the vulnerable women he comes across would dare say what they actually think!

@Chriscraft50

6 ай бұрын

1 in 4 women in America claim to have been assaulted. Perhaps they prefer not to have T women in their spaces.

@urbansetter1

6 ай бұрын

Lol it is. The liberal feminists are backing an anti female misogynistic movement. Im gay it has done a number on lesbians. Its insane all of it

@lena-Ramone

6 ай бұрын

Spot on !! High level misogyny

Thank you Helen Joyce. Well expressed. Your civility speaks louder than your impeccable logic. "Occasional segregation, certainly not by race, however necessary according to gender".

What a brilliant question to PT from the front row: if you are completely against generalisations, would you then think it is ok to let men who present as men (i.e. not trans identifying) into female only spaces on a case-by case-basis? This completely obliterated his fundamental stance. And he knew it. 👏

Was anyone else creeped out by the coordinated effort by "Freda" and Peter to create a distraction while Helen was speaking? "Freda" picking up an envelope off the floor, pulling out paper, merely to fold it and put it down again; meanwhile, Peter digs around for his phone and begins filming the audience and other guests. These men absolutely HATE when women are allowed to speak.

@susandavorn3249

6 ай бұрын

Of all the dreadful things said & done in this 'debate' I think that's what infuriated me most. Imo the man who was in the middle ought to have been much much firmer than he was on many occasions. Helen did his job for him several times. I know he had a fairly difficult task but imo he was a bit weak.

@CJ-ft9yo

5 ай бұрын

It’s quite a masculine tactic to distract and stress women

I wish Helen Joyce could speak to Biden and his top advisors. We need reality to hit America.

@alicee2952

6 ай бұрын

Perhaps she could bring Peter with her and see all these kids that are on hormones within one week of going to a therapist. All you have to do is come to Portland and so many young men on the street in certain neighborhoods and see “oh that’s a guy with boobs now.” It’s fucking bananas.

@user-tr8fs7lm8r

6 ай бұрын

Peter Tatchell is a dinosaur and built his identity around activism. It's too late for him to do anything else so now he's making trans activist his identity. He is a man that has no business telling women what to do in their own spaces, but like all real misogynist he is mansplaining and trolling in order to get men access to women's spaces.

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

Maybe the Americans are a little busy focusing on actual problems rather than fabricated ones. Just a thought.

@user-tr8fs7lm8r

6 ай бұрын

I'm sure she's been consulted. The problem is the margins are so slim that Dems are pandering for every vote from the most marginalized corners of the planet to stay in power.

@weltschmerski

6 ай бұрын

Reality is a transphobic concept and does nothing to advance the disembodiment aims of transhumanist technocracy. So no.

I hit the like button purely for Helen Joyce.

Sorry bro racism is not equivalent to the false trans genocide.

@CyberMachine

6 ай бұрын

I hate when they bring up black people. We don’t believe in this mess either

@marshall1982

6 ай бұрын

@@CyberMachine Apparently transwomen are the same as black women... They're a sick, offensive bunch.

@geraldbrooks8507

6 ай бұрын

@@CyberMachineI’m a African American. Our community still has a issue with homophobia, particularly the hip hop/rap culture. Transgenderism is at best viewd as another flavor of gay.

@izoedyourbabydaddy7628

6 ай бұрын

I'm blk and trans you can absolutely compared the two. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what form it takes.

@CyberMachine

6 ай бұрын

@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 Black people's race isn't the same as having a mental illness.

The contrast between Helen's clarity and insight and Freda's nebulous nonsense summarises the truth in this debate.

@numberwang1256

6 ай бұрын

Indeed. Fred was outclassed and exposed himself as a bit of vacant lot.

Helen Joyce 👏🌟💐🌹..absoloute heroine and Legend…..

Wow Helen on fire here. So quick to locate the fraud and deliver a short undeniable rebuttal. Amazing to watch her in the moment

Dear Helen, Thank you for your continued fight that you conduct with great intelligence and endless fortitude in the face of an ideology that falls apart in the face of any scrutiny. Peter Tatchell has always had some very dodgy views and I've listened to Frida many times talking nonsense and being incredibly bullying. I'm here to hear the sense from you Helen x

I absolutely love Helen Joyce! She slayed this debate! Thank-you for fighting this necessary fight ❤

The fact that this issue is an actual debate is astonishing .

"female penis" there's contradiction in terms.

Well done Helen. We will win this fight for women's spaces and women's rights because of amazing women like you. Thank you x Peter is such a sexist old dinosaur.

@blotski

6 ай бұрын

Peter Tatchell frightens me. When you hear somebody you've always admired, and who has achieved so much, regurgiting an extremist anti-science ideology like the member of some cult it makes you very depressed. Logic and facts bow down to ideological purity. I was involved with a left wing movement in the 1970s (when liberal politics was based mostly in the workplace lead by unions rather than in university seminars like now) and I remember a woman telling me 'if you scratch a revolutionary socialist man you'll usually find a sexist pig underneath'. I don't think they used the term misogynist in those days. That's what I think about Tatchell. He says he's liberal and passionate about equal rights for all but in fact he promotes a deeply misogynist movement.

@lidahall5928

6 ай бұрын

​@@blotskiAgreed. I'm also actually starting to wonder if the man's not being blackmailed by someone on the Gender Borg. IDK...

@Gerry_Davies

6 ай бұрын

@@blotski He's also a raging paedophilia apologist.

@ooosh1

6 ай бұрын

@@lidahall5928 or he's being paid to be on their side?

@dynamic75

6 ай бұрын

@blotski the same happened with Neil Degrasse Tyson. Someone that intelligent can’t take such a ridiculous stance without being blackmailed or paid off.

I only clicked on to see Helen and she does NOT disappoint!

@drewboyd7508

6 ай бұрын

I wasn't going to watch because Tatchell is so odious but then I saw Helen Joyce was speaking and changed my mind.

@bertieboo

6 ай бұрын

100%

@manymoonsahead

6 ай бұрын

Helen Joyce is the voice of reason!

The equivalent to not calling Black and Asian people the N-word or the P-word is refraining from using the T-word - the one that rhymes with 'granny'. Black and Asian have never asked us to pretend they are what they are not. Tatchell is demanding we respect a falsehood. Edited to add: I should have anticipated that Helen Joyce would make the same obvious point!

@h6hfelie

6 ай бұрын

I can not believe we have to have brilliant women like Helen Joyce waste their intellect on these men. Only in a patriarchy would a woman like Helen need to be on the same stage as those two dolts on the right, to argue that women exist, humans are mammals, and mammals can't change sex... Wtf is going on???

@english3082

6 ай бұрын

Shaming or offending sexual deviants is not equivalent to racism.

@PeakTrans

6 ай бұрын

@@english3082 Indeed not!

@ribbonsofnight

6 ай бұрын

The transmission in my car has never complained

@ricardolambo3743

6 ай бұрын

I can't understand why Tatchell bothered with this line of thought since it's refutation is so blindingly obvious. As he is a reasonably intelligent man and unlikely to be taken in by his own arguments, one is left with the depressing thought that his real aim is to put one over others.

Anyone catch Peter telling Fred "no more drink" at 46:12? 🤣

Helen standing up for Peter multiple times as audience members react to him is truly telling of her character and fortitude. I am so thankful for women like her who exemplify what it means to be dignified. It inspires women and girls to use our voices and speak the truth.

@peterheke

6 ай бұрын

Its also telling of the audience being unable to listen to arguments without losing their minds.

@lovelover4408

6 ай бұрын

Is the claim that everyone shared his unproven belief an argument? That’s what people were saying no to. He claimed they all had gender identities. They were vocally disagreeing with that claim

@80PercentScottish

6 ай бұрын

Yes that's a point that absolves their exclamations. Tatchel was speaking on their behalf and they put him right.

@jamiefroud633

6 ай бұрын

@@peterhekeIf you’re going to use the people in front of you as an example, one they strongly disagree with, they’re going to quite rightly respond and react. Perhaps not the best tactic or idea for him to use in this format. The opposing side didn’t highlight the audience to use in an example. Peter didn’t need to either. However, one or two could’ve controlled themselves better.

@samsonlovesyou

6 ай бұрын

@@peterheke It was reasonable for the audience to react when he spoke for them by insisting they all have gender identities. There right to protest that if it misrepresents them personally. I know I'd shout back at anyone who wants to tell me what I think and feel.

Thank you to Helen for some calm and sanity amongst the madness. Even Peter, lover of Files, Tatchell seemed to be embarrassed by Fred (and we all know what a low bar he has). We mustn't forget that Fred doesn't only indulge his paraphilias, he's also sent evidence of his participation to a severely disabled young woman whom he has systematically bullied for a while now. His reason for bullying her is because she wants single sex person care. He is a vile, toxic, bully who should be nowhere near women and women's personal spaces. Thankfully it would see that he will no longer be driving vulnerable patients to hospital anymore. Thank goodness for small mercies.

@littlecatfeet9064

6 ай бұрын

Oh wow, do you have a news item? I’m not surprised by anything he does.

@robertmarshall2502

6 ай бұрын

Is it a coincidence that the writer of IT crowd and the sketch about Peter File is Graham Linehan who has been horribly attacked by the trans extremists? I read an article about Peter Tatchell and decided to go read his take. The article quoted Peter and in the correct context more than Peter did. It also quoted full sentences not just a handful of words as Tatchell did. Reading Peter Tatchell's own website actually made it clear how obviously he was lying. His hamfisted attempt yo defend himself was nailing himself into his own coffin. I can't help but feel the same about trans ideologues in general. They know they shouldn't debate because 95% of ppl listening can pick their arguments to pieces in seconds. They rely on us all thinking they're the majority not an extreme minority with extremely regressive ideas.

@BellamyBlue

6 ай бұрын

Peter trying (and failing) to slow down Fred's drinking was a classic moment.

@ElleAshterra

6 ай бұрын

@@BellamyBlueI was in awe of Fred’s wine chugging and laughed when Peter had to intervene. Didn’t stop Fred for long though 🍷*hic*

five people on the stage. Only one woman to represent the half of the population most threatened by this movement.

When Helen Joyce said "excuse me, I'm speaking, he said "stop speaking" (!!) That is the reason for this debate man, YOU CAN'T TELL ANOTHER PERSON TO STOP SPEAKING!

Shame the debate was cut off. Did Peter Tatchell ever acknowledge that allowing males into female-only spaces made them mixed sex? And did he agree not to call women “cis”?

@joeberg3317

6 ай бұрын

I was wondering where he'd go with that lol

@elainepirie4097

6 ай бұрын

I wondered the same thing

@rebeccalloyd6681

6 ай бұрын

It was a sudden cut off!

@paulondawula1011

6 ай бұрын

@@rebeccalloyd6681 Searching frantically for a part 2

@kukalakana

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, like, literally halfway through a word and I was like, "Oy. I was listening to that."

46:15 Helen owning the debate AGAIN, despite Freda's pathetic attempts to shut her up. This man is extremely afraid of what Helen has to say and he probably understands very well by now he should not have accepted this debate.

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

She argued in bad faith from to begin with and the audience was extremely hostile to Peter and Frida.

@oliverhug3

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke, dream on.

@Amy-wy1gd

6 ай бұрын

​@@SuperKripkeyou mean they disagreed with them.

@SuperKripke

6 ай бұрын

@@Amy-wy1gd No I mean they tried to shout down Peter from his opening statement and Helen had to intervene just to calm one of the audience members down.

@slacktoryrecords4193

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripkewhat do you mean by “she argued in bad faith”?

Could they not have asked a more respectful trans person to speak here? That comment about ‘fuck me, etc’ was sickening

One woman on a stage of five. And she wipes the floor with all of them

@ribbonsofnight

6 ай бұрын

I want a world where we're judged on the strength of our ideas not the presence of a Y chromosome. And on that basis Helen is well above everyone else.

Brilliant Helen re Fred. Well said that woman ♀️

Helen Joyce is a goddess! Clear, rational, concise. And completely correct.

@manymoonsahead

6 ай бұрын

She needs to be protected at all costs