"Death is not cruel. He's just terribly, terribly, good at his job."

"You are the mechanism by which the universe cares. If you choose not to care, it's an uncaring world." - Brennan Lee Mulligan

@BBBness

9 ай бұрын

BLM knows his shit.

@gregm8596

9 ай бұрын

Is this a quote from one of his DnD campaigns? Sounds like unsleeping city. Am I right?

@Geth-Who

9 ай бұрын

@@gregm8596 Fantasy High.

@gregm8596

9 ай бұрын

@@Geth-Who thx, fantasy high was the best d20 campaign

@uncletiggermclaren7592

9 ай бұрын

That is one of the rare Profound Statements that is actually true. Thank you kindly for sharing it with me. Live long, and prosper.

The beautiful irony of death giving a life lesson.

@thegrimmretails3777

2 жыл бұрын

How is it ironic? Who of all people knows the value of life.

@Archontasil

2 жыл бұрын

Assassins know the value of life to the penny

@CelestialSodapop

2 жыл бұрын

@@Archontasil Teatime tells the Hogfather how to milk every cent out of his life, the movie

@tuseroni6085

2 жыл бұрын

You should read "Mort" he does a lot of that

@SovreignHost

Жыл бұрын

@@Archontasil I think it'd be more accurate to say they know the cost of life much more than its value

'To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape" "You need to believe in things that aren't true; how else can they become?" Thank you Sir Terry Pratchett

"To be the place where the fallen angel meets the rising ape..." Powerful words indeed.

“Justice, mercy, duty. That sort of thing” Thank you, Terry. You were right

@kecenavrtep

11 ай бұрын

“Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived. After all Number One, we're only mortal.” ― Jean-Luc Picard

@theone-tg4ey

10 ай бұрын

@nikushim6665

6 ай бұрын

Right no, just honest.

The place where the falling angel meets the rising ape. Death really has a way with words.

@CYI3ERPUNK

Жыл бұрын

Terry did indeed have a wonderful way with words =]

@dealinginfiction

Жыл бұрын

We live in the in between. We are still a very superstitious species. We still believe in justice and mercy, thinking that others can give it to us.

@2Malachi

Жыл бұрын

Disc world, like may books, songs and movies, are just God revealing glimpses of truth to us. We are on a disc, and the Great I Am is literally a turtle. And this blonde is God's daughter, a creation of his.

@devoncampbell3607

9 ай бұрын

Gnu Pterry

@affsteak3530

9 ай бұрын

It reminds me of the theory I read. It states if we ever encountered intelligent life in the universe, we would be unable to communicate with them. They would either be an advanced civilization(angels) grown far beyond our own needs and understanding or primitive protosapients (apes) who were in the process of working out things like fire, shelter, and language. Our past is much longer and darker than we'll ever know, and our future is never certain.

This has to be the best Death depiction where he is a kind relative who you would invite over for tea and biscuits.

@kecenavrtep

Жыл бұрын

This is way i will rise my child. "...AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." My child will believe in the "bigger lies"

@professorsponge1554

Жыл бұрын

Terry sometimes had terminally ill patients send him letters, telling him they hoped that Death would be as kind as the Death he wrote about.

@Shrouded_reaper

9 ай бұрын

​@professorsponge1554 that's so wholesome

@iroulis

9 ай бұрын

Death IS talking to his granddaughter Susan: Yeah?

@conorfowler568

8 ай бұрын

​@@Shrouded_reaperMaybe, but I hear it really fucked him up reading them, especially the ones from kids. I don't really blame him.

Pratchett taught me more about ethics and morality than a three year philosophy degree did.

@theone-tg4ey

10 ай бұрын

@tiberseptim8434

9 ай бұрын

In regard to philosophy, social commentary and political theory, Pratchett is probably the best fantasy author we have ever been blessed with.

@johannfreeman6845

9 ай бұрын

That is hilarious. Why did you do so badly?

@jamesbrice3267

9 ай бұрын

Especially Small Gods.

@feral_orc

9 ай бұрын

​@@johannfreeman6845probably because when you actually examine these ideas they're fairly meaningless and just sound pretty

It's really fascinating to think, Terry Pratchett likely fully believed this... and as someone who believed. "Humans need fantasy to be human." dedicated himself to that very pursuit.

@systembinarygaming

5 ай бұрын

A bit like medievalist-turned-novelist John Champlain Gardner Jr. He deplored much of modern writing and its whinnying nihilism and whatever else claimed to be art but instead existed only for the sake of idle games; that was because he was convinced that humanity possessed art for the specific purpose of directing their attention upwards. He strove to demonstrate that in his own fiction while in his nonfiction writings, and in discussions such as his debate with acclaimed writer Bill Gass, he expounded upon that principle. Wonderful clip, this video.

Justice, mercy, duty. They're only real if you believe in them. Both beautiful and terrifying.

There's a reason that some of his fans call him a stealth philosopher,he does it it in such a subtle way you don't realise the lesson he's teaching you.

@widdershins5383

8 ай бұрын

A lot of fantasy and science fiction is generally very philosophical, very social critiquing. Always has been.

It was once a fantasy that Man could fly, yet here we are. It was once a dream that Man could speak to others across the globe, yet here we are. All these dreams became reality because we believed that fictions could become real!

@WickedFamix

Ай бұрын

And there are dreams today that will become real after our lives.

My entire life philosophy is built on this clip. Terry Pratchett was one of the greatest philosophers that ever lived.

@lazyprinny3265

9 ай бұрын

So your an absurdist as well

@EmperorsTeeth

9 ай бұрын

Huh, I had to look up Absurdism, but I guess I am one too. The Universe gives no shits about us, so we need to take care of each other.

@merkaba48

9 ай бұрын

I hate to be that guy, but Pratchett read a lot and the philosophies he writes about aren't creation; but he chose which ones to weave into his stories, and no doubt added some ideas of his own. It just feels weird to say he was a great philosopher when that's not really accurate. I'm not sure what he was, though. A great novelist doesn't seem to cut it.

@kyle18934

9 ай бұрын

​@merkaba48 maybe a teacher in his own way. he told us what he learned in a digestible fashion

@Redkasquirrel

9 ай бұрын

@@merkaba48 To stand upon the shoulders of our predecessors is not to lack achievements of our own.

One of the most important morals to live by in life. Humans give meaning. Meaning, by definition, is not fact. It is perception. A fabrication of our ideology. Concepts matter, only to us. They are lies that affect only us. The universe proceeds, regardless. By understanding ambition, humankind can tame the untamed and make the worthless worthwhile. Fantasy is, by definition, the lies we wish to believe. The happiness we chase, and choose to make. *It is not limited to your imagination alone. Fantasy affects our everyday lives, some people, more than others, but every person.* The movie Stepbrothers illustrates that pretty damn well at the end when Brennan starts singing. The whole movie, everyone is bashing the Stepbrothers for being immature assholes, but in the end, everyone has fantasies just like the brothers. I never thought I'd draw a parallel between movie like Stepbrothers and a movie like Hogfather, but here we are.

@MadassAlex

2 жыл бұрын

Omg someone actually interpreted this exchange correctly

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Жыл бұрын

In short just accept that our morals are to keep the “program” from wanting to destroy itself, as opposed to inherent facts of reality. Morals are only to benefit us in the long run, a strategy.

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Жыл бұрын

@@MadassAlexI’d be disappointed if they didn’t, even the first Star Trek movie teaches this idea in its simplistic form

@feral_orc

9 ай бұрын

Man thank god humans are the pinnacle of all creation and we're the only ones who are capable of this. Pffft 😂

This is the most hauntingly beautiful piece of dialog and life lessons I've ever heard. It's so poetic yet very, very real. It's like a bucket of cold water but gently poured down over your face.

That is absurdism as it's absolute finest

@theone-tg4ey

10 ай бұрын

Life is absurd

@joda7697

9 ай бұрын

It is really not. It is just a fact few people want to acknowledge.

@Musabre

9 ай бұрын

@@joda7697 I think they were referring to actual 'absurdism'.

@lazyprinny3265

6 ай бұрын

​@@Musabre agree its not it for a tee but deaths speach feels very absurdist.

@gorilaazul2434

2 ай бұрын

​@@lazyprinny3265 It's actually closer to existentialism, i.e. creating your own meaning in a meaningless universe. Absurdism would be if Death told Susan that there is no inherent mercy, justice or meaning in the universe, so people should just live life to its full extent and enjoy themselves, instead of trying to chase their own meaning all the time.

‘Alright I’m not stupid, you’re saying humans need fantasies to make life bearable’ I really appreciate the fast tracking to the meat of the discussion here. At the beginning of this clip I’m almost rolling my eyes expecting another Netflix-quality slow explanation of an easy concept, but Pratchett respects the audience and gets to the real point immediately. People are smart enough for that

Neither may we find one spark of life, nor a sliver of death.

This should honestly be considered one of the best speeches in all literature.

@js1817

26 күн бұрын

It's just the modern sort of atheism: nihilism and a naive ignorance of despair.

@Jotari

26 күн бұрын

​@@js1817Care to elaborate?

@js1817

26 күн бұрын

@@Jotari Where to begin? Okay, you like this speech. Why? I suspect you think it's true, clever, and eloquent. Of course Pratchett is a clever and eloquent man, but his view here may not be true, and if it is true, I think that the reasonable emotional terminus is despair. I see how one gets there: materialism, atheism, nihilism, moral relativism. But the last step is a sort of affection for the story-inspired illusion of moral values, which is probably not something that can sustain hope and the other facets of emotional wellbeing over the long run. I think if you go back to the beginning of the atheist worldview and reject materialism as irrational, the conclusions that unfurl might end in real moral values, not an attempt to rejoice in moral subjectivism: the idea that goodness is mere opinion.

@Jotari

26 күн бұрын

​@@js1817 Feels more like you've thrown a bunch of buzzwords at the wall rather than actually analyze the text. So I'll be more clear, why do you feel that this is about atheism and nihilism to begin with? To me, it seems the complete opposite. It's about the power of narrative and the very fundamental part stories play in the human experience. The text itself rejects the notion that it has anything to do with a creed to stave off despair. Susan outright posits that and Death rejects it as the the premise. We don't need fiction for comfort or survival, we need it at our most basic level to be human because stories are such an integral part of our existence, be it individual or societal.

@js1817

25 күн бұрын

@@Jotari I'll go over the exact word of the video then, to show you that the words I use to describe it are not a flinging of buzzwords, but are an accurate description of the ideas that underlie the video. The video is an expression of the ideas of Pratchett, and these ideas are a nihilism based on atheism. You say that it is about “the complete opposite. [...] the power of narrative and the very fundamental part stories play with human experience”. Nihilism can cover a lot of beliefs. Here I mean the rejection of objective moral values. When Death talks about the fact that moral values are physical and hence not real, he is assuming materialism and nihilism. When he says that moral values are lies that we chose to believe, he is proposing nihilism. The idea is clearly that we need to believe in the validity of moral values. “Humans need fantasy to be human” (in context, this means 'morally good'); “there is some order in the world”; “people have to believe that, or what's the point?”; “you must believe things that are not true so that they become [real(?)]”. The video is nihilistic because it rejects objective moral values, the fact that it asks us to believe in the validity of moral values or suggests that his is necessary does not take away the nihilism.

You know, I started reading Discworld after watching Hogfather. Started with Mort, and then went to Color of Magic. it's kind of interesting to see how Death changes as it goes on, from antagonist to... well, this.

God I miss Terry Pratchett.

@ptonpc

9 ай бұрын

Same here. I have never been able to finish his last novel, so for me, there is always one last story to tell.

So glad I found this series

This gave me goosebumps! That ending put a tear to my eye.

Whoever wrote this has been reading Schopenhauer, the death characters speech sounds just like him. Some deep philosophy few get in this scene.

Humanity needs its stories, what are we without them? Be it a story if an all powerful creator or a story about the incredible things within our universe, we need them.

Pittey it's not Christopher Lee doing this as he did in the animated version

@RoninofRamen

28 күн бұрын

Hey, that's the late great Ian Richardson you're dissin' there mate!

Mercy, honesty, integrity, these are neither lies nor truths. They are ideals that you strive for.

i come back to this clip everytime i feel down

Though here he, as they say, says the quiet bit out loud. I prefer the original- where she says 'we have to believe in those things, otherwise, what's the point', and he just sarcastically replies 'my point exactly'.

I think the best part of this is that he himself is not “real”. Death is not a tangible concept, only something that we humans have decided to attach meaning to and personify. But without death our lives have little meaning and our achievements less impressive when there is no constraint on our time here.

This is inspirational for aspiring writers and storytellers.

@Jotari

8 ай бұрын

Humans. The word is humans.

Those are some mystic words.

Thank you

Unfortunately we now life in a world where it is obvious that Justice, mercy & duty are social illusions.

@thiloreichelt4199

9 ай бұрын

Ideals, not illusions. Justice, mercy and duty exist only insofar we believe in them. By believing in them and acting accordingly we make them exist.

@Johndoe-gd4tb

5 ай бұрын

now? it’s always been this way of course

Beautiful way of looking at things

Wow! Thank you.

Like death doing the duty of the hogfather, we all fighting and enduring for concepta that we created ourselves to be able to live in a world we imagine for ourselves.

I understand Death, and in turn, Sir Terry. We live in the in the inbetween. We are still a very superstitious species. We still believe in justice and mercy, thinking that others can give it to us, like toys from Santa Clause on Christmas.

@BalooSJ

8 ай бұрын

That's not it. The lesson is that things like justice and mercy only exist insofar as we *make* them exist. The universe doesn't care, but *we* do. Hopefully. And it is by caring (and doing things about it) that we make the world a better place. But it's a two-edged sword. If we are taught to believe in mercy, justice, duty, kindness, and solidarity, that's what we bring into the world. If we are taught that it's a dog-eat-dog world and that the only way to get ahead is to climb over someone else, that's the kind of world we will get. So let's do more of the first thing.

A beautiful speech.

GNU Sir Terry Prachett

Try and grind up, say, your baby and try to find the atom of love in it . The problem is that our concepts of love - the Greeks had four definitions for it - are conceptually defeated by language. The best point of commencement, from my point of view, is to consider Love to be the animating principle of matter.

Love this one

This pretty much sums it all up.

Ah, yes. Death. The biggest humanist, i've ever seen in literature or in real life... On serious note- if this is who will come for me at the end- i am not afraid, just happy to meet Him at last

The universe is not a puzzle box to be solved, and in so doing- learn all its secrets. Mankind need only look upon the world to change it.

“…What the heck was that?”

Wow! That's deep! What's the name of this movie?

@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach

9 ай бұрын

The Hogfather originally a book by Terry Pratchett, one in the Discworld series.

Death Devil giving Denji the wisdom needed for becoming a proper hero, Chainsaw Man Part 3 (anime adaptation)

"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the concerns of such puny creatures as we are." ~ Carl Sagan, 2016

That's a bit deep isn't it.... You have to be able to imagine something that doesn't exist - long before it has any possibility of becoming.

I miss thess books 😢

Music and books. Its our only chance. If aliens come, we have to send them music and books in our first contact. Otherwise they will destroy us all.

The artifacts! They’re too powerful!!!!!

00:35 what does it mean?

@MrSamulai

Жыл бұрын

We are not angels, but nor are we apes. There are no divine truths to guide us, but we are not merely following our base desires and instincts, either. We can create our own values, act as our own moral compass. That is, as long as we don't default to cynicism and stop believing.

@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr

Жыл бұрын

This is some Chat GPT ass questioning.

@colinmerritt7645

9 ай бұрын

​@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr Well, I agree Chat-GPT is ass...

the living irony of death saying concepts are illusory when death itself is nothing but a concept. terry was incredibly funny but not for any of his surface level humor.

Duty? All this time I thought he said Beauty.

Fate and free will are the same

Don’t know what this is but it seems kool

@epicwalrus7183

7 ай бұрын

It's from a mini-series adapted from Sir Terry Pratchett's novel Hogfather. Spoiler free run down: someone tries to assassinate fantasy Santa so Death takes over the role while Death's granddaughter, Susan (the woman in the video) tries to solve the case and save fantasy Santa.

@kritomasP

7 ай бұрын

Fantasy Santa's name being Hogfather

He’s right

You need to believe in this that aren't ( materially) true. Mortality has no objective value beyond human feeling. But then: the taste of cowpats is objectively no different to bread, beyond the human reaction to them. Modernism says all things are objective and solid - so that's all that matters. That human reactions to things are subjective and changeable. Only objects are eternal and real in the physical world and power and control are the only objectively real things in human relations. We that's true on its own level . Fair enough. If you want your lifes mission to be fairness to objects - go for it. But you will decide to do that one the basis of your feelings about it. I suggest your choose your strongest, warmest and most courageous and noble -feeling feelings. And not cold meachanical pedantry. But it's your choice it really is. Cardboard ( objectivity) or bread (some principle that moves the heart). Cold objectivity is noble in its own way - but it makes no sense to have as a core life value if it isn't subordinated to a system of value that nourishes the heart.

Death the hero?

@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr

Жыл бұрын

Life's a party! And when everyone is gone and leaving, Plants, Animals, Man, Gods, and the Stars begin to blink their final twinkle, Someone has got to put the chairs away. That's who Death is.

@babyaaronleejg

Жыл бұрын

​@@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr nice sandman reference

@ulfberht4431

Жыл бұрын

Death, at least in Christianity and Semitics, was never truly evil. Death is a force of nature, bound only to what the universe commands him to do. It's only much later have we made death as an evil force. I truly believe death is like a benevolent angel who only wishes you safe passage in the afterlife.

Materialism leads to nihilism leads to moral relativism. And everyone here says "Ooh, how clever" because materialism is so widely believed. But if materialism isn't true and there is a God in sense given by classical theism, then there are objective moral values, and they are truths in the deepest sense, rather than lies in any sense.

I'm a year late, but my first thoughts were : "is this a hidden scene where a young Bellatrix conforts Voldemort by saying he still looks more alive than not"?

And here I was, thinking Discworld was just a bunch of silly jokes and stuff

@natetwehues2428

9 ай бұрын

Well it's also that.

@gentblue

9 ай бұрын

Silly jokes and Pterry morality, aside from the first two.

@mborok

9 ай бұрын

Started out that way.

Oh for Heaven's sake... We need to believe in ideals which don't exist as _fact_ how else can they be proved _valid_

Michelle Dockery is like really attractive british Mr. Poopybutthole. I never knew she exited and then suddenly I started seeing her in every other movie or show I watched in a past year.

This and One Piece both have the same message, it's important to believe and chase your dreams!

Nowadays people idiotically believe easily copied png files having inherent value.

This is basically the promotion of Progresivism.....

"Where the falling angel meets the rising ape". Hmm. Christian mythology meets atheist mythology in one sentence. It ignores the literal meaning of a fallen angel. It's an awkward mixed metaphor, yet people here are praising it.

It took me way too long to realize that’s Patrick Stewart

@ingridbartinique9030

11 ай бұрын

It's Ian Richardson.

@christianboehlefeld5168

9 ай бұрын

But it should have been Christopher Lee as in Soul Music, Wyrd Sisters and The Colour of Magic.

@mborok

9 ай бұрын

@@christianboehlefeld5168 I haven’t watched those, but that’s brilliant. Christopher Lee sounds exactly as though he were speaking in ALL CAPS (as death does in the books).

@vksasdgaming9472

9 ай бұрын

​@@mborokLee was great, but Richardson adds so much compassion to Death.

No comparison to the book at all! This is so impressive in the book, but here I couldn‘t even watch it to the end!

@willchurch8376

9 ай бұрын

And yet the film will be viewed by thousands, maybe millions more, giving them a morsel of Pratchett's wisdom, and perhaps turning them towards the book and series. It serves a purpose.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only authors allowed to write about "the magic of storytelling and fantasy" are Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.

@vksasdgaming9472

9 ай бұрын

They learned how from John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.

Chaos space marine tries to convert sister of battle

Simulation simulacra in it's finest

Overcome nihilism.

@Shoggoth405

Жыл бұрын

Hey "destroy the woke", have you ever read one Discworld novel or even watched the rest of the movie?

@dragenfire68

Жыл бұрын

​@@Shoggoth405what do you even mean?

@Shoggoth405

Жыл бұрын

@@dragenfire68 How hard it is to realise the irony of someone using "destroy the woke" as a name while praising a scene from an author that was very much a "woke"?

@j8000

9 ай бұрын

Imagine if Monstrous Regiment was published today. Terminally online geniuses would be screaming about how woke it was 24/7

@destroythewoke4045

9 ай бұрын

Am I not allowed to appreciate some values from a "woke" author? Or must I be as dogmatic as you?

This looks so AI generated lol

All well and good. But when people start lying to themselves to make their own version of a truth that’s not real, they go insane. Then they end up saying dumb crap like: “Space isn’t real” or “the earth isn’t round”

@colinmerritt7645

9 ай бұрын

Or "Trump makes sense."

@tenjenk

9 ай бұрын

different contexts. thats referring to something completely else.

@CactusCowboyDan

9 ай бұрын

@@tenjenk How so? Death is talking about believing in lies to be human. Well what about the lies that people tell when they claim there is a god or that the earth isn’t round? Or that Donald Trump was the “best president in history”? Lol And when those lies manifest into delusion and fanaticism they cause division, conflict and a steady rise in inhuman acts. Such as torture and persecution. All in the name of something totally made up or untrue.

@averycheesypotato

9 ай бұрын

“The earth is round” lol It’s a Disk. It’s called DiskWorld!

@CactusCowboyDan

9 ай бұрын

@@averycheesypotato I was referring to our own world. Sry you were too stupid to see that.

So sad to see someone get within a hair’s breadth of the truth, only to swerve off into the weeds at the last second.

I agree. Except the bit about order and mercy. Thanks.

@MrSamulai

Жыл бұрын

You've found molecules of mercy?

@liaml.e.5964

Жыл бұрын

Order is an illusion to which we cling ourselves, to make life bearable.

@dragenfire68

Жыл бұрын

​@@liaml.e.5964speak for your self, order can shove off. Order is what puts us in that shitty 9 - 5, chaos is what knocks out the power during it and lets us go home early.

@Jasonlol73

Жыл бұрын

@@dragenfire68lmao I love this

@itsjustvin7630

9 ай бұрын

​@@dragenfire68then how will you get all your modern services

gaslighting for his 90 billionith holiday special nothingburger i see

Such a deep and profound statement. Yet, it comes from the prince of lies, Lucifer. The tell is that it elevates the created above the creator.

@Willifrex

Жыл бұрын

Since when has Death been synonymous with the Morningstar?

@luisarturoorduna2098

Жыл бұрын

There is no creator, but creators, not of the material bases and factual reality, but if the way those bases and facts are perceibed, understood and explained, from fantasy and mitology to several levels of abstract calculations... one can see something, anything and find evidence of the divine, while other may see the same thing and find the complexity of factors that made that thing possible, and yet other may find poetry or the base for the construction of something else.... and all of them are doing basically the same, creating a mental object that can be and is enrichened trough communication... it is not the intelligence of the individual that creates culture, it's the "extelligence", the shared perceprion and interpreteation of phenomena that does... and being able to tell those things on books filled with humor and fantasy was a big part of sir Terry Pratchett's genious.

@liaml.e.5964

Жыл бұрын

Then you have learned nothing.

@kecenavrtep

11 ай бұрын

“Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven”

@colinmerritt7645

9 ай бұрын

​@@kecenavrtepTry it some time.