That's the problem of designing too many expansions in advance. They thought plague was going to be good, so they didn't plan any support for the mini-set, and now, bottom of the barrel death knight receives no good card...

@treehunter1

10 ай бұрын

This is the problem of not using your head to think

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

It's not even the problem of designing too many expansion in advance. It's the problem of them constantly abandoning archetypes immediately. Like that Big Fel Spell package for Warlock they printed in FiAV? They printed literally 0 fel spells for it its entire run in Standard. Or Murloc Warlock, which unless the next expansion brings more support, will be rotating with 0 additional support besides that single Murloc/Imp spell in March. So while some archetypes they keep pushing, like how they kept printing Big Demon Demon Hunter cards every set for like a year. Others are dropped like a hot potato before they get to even be a thing.

@TheSCBGeneral

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was honestly really hoping that Plague DKs would at least get something to help their abysmal win rate, but no, they just got tossed to the side just like all of the other forgotten archetypes Team 5 has created over the years. Truthfully, I'm not even sure if it's worth buying the mini-set with Gold at this point.

@orphscookie8047

10 ай бұрын

Death knight is and is going to be over powered right now still as they have less cards than all other classes but needed to have the same power level, the cards they release for this class have to be toned down or they would work too well with the cards they HAD to put in the class for it to work to begin with. Plague has a 61% winrate and there's 4 other decks with above a 56% right now. Death knight is kinda like 3 classes in one so the winrate is going to be skewed but you saying plague is bad is not true in the slightest.

@zsep8688

10 ай бұрын

​​@orphscookie8047 it is objectively a bad deck with nearly 0 board presence or removal. You automatically lose to every paladin deck, every warlock deck, every druid deck, and you're at a disadvantage in the best case scenario. You wait and pray your opponent draws a single plague in 10 turns and then concede

I hate that Blizzard doesn't admit that DK has terrible deckbuilding

@EasterBunnyMurder

10 ай бұрын

The more cards it gets the better it gets

I find it very weird how the two new underperforming Archetypes Earthern Paladin and Plague DK didnt get any support in the mini set and I strongly assume that they wont get anything in future expansions too

@CountFab

10 ай бұрын

It would have been interesting to see indirect support for those decks, such as an Elekk for Plague or a good tutor for Earthen.

@eicheldrei7408

10 ай бұрын

íts kinda understandable though. 3 cards would have not saved that archetype though , so why create cards for it.@@CountFab

@saadashraf786

10 ай бұрын

@@eicheldrei7408 You never know. We've seen it before where a deck seems pretty weak or unplayable, but after a couple of strong buffs and/or new cards to support the archetype, it can become powerful or at least playable like with what happened to odyn warrior recently. Also earthen and plague decks aren't that bad. They are just mediocre I think if optimised.

@nunyabeezwax6758

10 ай бұрын

Never played wild huh? Plague is doing well there lol it's like the only warrior counter or something like that.

@capitanMCmufin

10 ай бұрын

​@@eicheldrei7408I think a 3 drop support for Earthen Pali would put it at T2 at least, they can get pretty big rather fast, but having to wait till turn 4 at least is too show

This miniset is sooo weird, the good classes get even more good cards and those who really needed some support get garbage ... BLIZZARD !

Im just waiting for that one thumbnail " Wtf these expansion cards are totaly fine and balanced! Blizzard!!!"

@impkiller5932

10 ай бұрын

Rastahan Ramble

I understand having a card for each rune type but no plague cards seems weird

@andrewcreech5633

10 ай бұрын

On the same note wish paladin go got support for its earthens

@ZKeus

10 ай бұрын

Look again, they didn't even get a card for each rune type. 😢

@andrewcreech5633

10 ай бұрын

@@ZKeusI didn’t even realize I was too upset about the plagues to realize the last one was unholy and not frost 😢

No plague support sadge 😭

@locogato3488

10 ай бұрын

Good.

@rattusgrenadus8291

10 ай бұрын

@@locogato3488uve gotta be like physically or mentally disabled

@locogato3488

10 ай бұрын

@@rattusgrenadus8291 How can you so easily throw such heavy insults because of some random cards? And my comment was literally a single word. You need some help.

@rattusgrenadus8291

10 ай бұрын

@@locogato3488 u need help guy u have like 5000 comments on every hs channel. go outside fix ur life

@locogato3488

10 ай бұрын

@@rattusgrenadus8291 Don't you have anything better to do than going into every Hearthstone channel just to count how many comments I have? I like the game, so I comment on channels about it, I don't count random people's comments just to insult them out of nowhere.

I don't think these cards are all that bad just nothing strong enough to build around. The best one imo is the one that gives your undead poisonous, unholy having a way to cement a board that trades very well early to mid game so they can stick their board buffs more often seems incredibly strong

@GekkoTheBaka

10 ай бұрын

But still its discover card , not something you want to put in your deck

I think if Grimewalker is going to make it into the deck it's going to be because of the HP interactions. The ability almost reads "Your Hero Power becomes a 2-mana Assassinate while this is alive" which might actually be viable in some places.

@ivanbrizic7378

10 ай бұрын

Ye its not assasinate ... A lot of things have taunt like titans that spawn taunts etc... IMO its good but i dont know if it will make it in the top 30 cards that you put in a deck...

@MikeMozzaro

10 ай бұрын

@@ivanbrizic7378 Hence the claritiative statement of "*almost* reads" :) I'm aware there's many cases that can block the effect; really it depends on what kind of meta we settle into on if an ability like that gets a deck slot or not.

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

@@MikeMozzaro I think the issue with it is that it's an Unholy rune. If it was Blood then it'd be great as it would allow a lot more control over the board in a BBB control deck. But Unholy would rather spend 5 mana killing the opponent or building a board (To kill the opponent with) rather than dropping this minion and HP to remove 1 thing.

Sinister Soulcage is a nice card to discover from rather than hard run it in your deck.

Funnily enough, both corpse card might go to Rainbow DK. All 4 copies spend 16 corpses in total.

@Abrody1477

10 ай бұрын

I can see the Blood weapon spell but that unholy buff/copy is pretty bad

It's too early to be sure but so far this is looking to be a very underwhelming mini-set.

These cards seem so strange. Sickly Grimewalker makes no sense. Unholy isn't really a Control type deck, it's a swarm deck and the opponent blows up if they can't deal with YOUR stuff. Even things like Plague is usually trying to tempo out. Runes of Darkness is just trash. All it seems to do is make Hematurge even more crappy than it currently is (With all the crappy handbuff cards in the pool it rarely offers anything useful to BBB). Like, maybe if next set releases a bunch of really good weapons for Frost or Unholy (So that Blood won't find them off Hematurge) this might be playable? Sinister Soulcage seems like it's for the BBU Handbuff deck that doesn't exist because it's crap. Where you can copy your buffed up minion on board. The issue is this doesn't stop the deck being crap (It's lacking card draw and is basically focused around highrolling one hand of buffed minions and hoping no-one in 2023 has AoE). Also, the deck often has Corpse issues anyway, with Blood Tap, Darkfallen Neophyte and Malignant Horror all eating through your corpses while the deck doesn't generate many.

IMO sickly grimewalker actually seems pretty good, I don’t think it’s meta breaking or anything like that but plague DK has always felt like it has a problem with breaking through boards and there are plenty of cards to combo with sickly (plagued grain, the 4 mana 1/3’s, the rush 2/2’s) to get through some of the big minions it can’t normally deal with that well. I find that usually plague DK has to trade everything into a big minion so this could help. I think it’ll actually see play in standard. Still, this support is very weak and with slimelock/chadlock/location warlock whatever the hell that deck is right now being so strong this is not enough support even remotely.

There are some interesting choices for sinister soulcage. Any of the early deathrattles in zoo decks it's fine even on a foul egg if you have the corpses. Blood decks can use it on Screaming Banshee or Gnome Muncher for crazy swings, or even Deathbringer Saurfang for endless defense. Might be able to set up a Boneshredder Blight Boar otk with it. You can even do crazy things like double Rivendare or Flesh Behemoths to win that way.

Runes of Darkness might be a sleeper. A +1/+1 buff on a minion is usually insubstantial, but on a cheap weapon might be nutty.

@Xariona

10 ай бұрын

yeah Staff of Primus for Plague DK maybe but it's stil Plague DK at the end of the day

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

@@Xariona Blood rune card, in Plague DK? Kekw

Malignant horror and soulcage is a 8 mana play that summons 4/6 (not counting other handbuffs prior) and 13 corpse spending combo to summon 2 more after the first copy.

it's like blizz was too scared to give additional DK synergy

You're right with the oversight Zeddy, the only way they can fix DK is give it way more cards each set and why not, since it has a bigger deckbuilding restriction

Where are my plague cards? 😢

@lubomirgenov4346

10 ай бұрын

Wondering the same.. pretty lame cards... on 1st glance

@Robuck07

10 ай бұрын

i lowkey hope they chill with new plague cards 😅

Imagine Sickly Grimewalker existing and competing with Hawkstrider Rancher. LOOOOOOOOOOOL

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would the 3 drop work with hardcore cultist for poisonous AOE?

They all seem decent as discover cards, especialyl if you discount them by 2 with nerubian. But idk if you would put them in your deck.

Kinda disappointed about the Death Knight cards, but for sickly grimewalker combos, you can use hardcore cultist / wild pyromancer + a spell to board clear which is kinda interesting

Maybe the runes of darkness could be good into the 7 mana legendary weapon, the +1+1 gives it another minions to ressurect

@Abrody1477

10 ай бұрын

Problem is that it would take 1 more turn to get the minions too

While probably super clunky, Sinister Soulcage could be used in plague DK if you run deathrattle synergies and copy those. Particularly if stacked. Not sure what you'd cut though. And silence/transform just makes you cry even harder.

I expected a card for each rune, because they hate frost so much

I kinda like soulcage with that rush reborn in plague dk. Rush minion can be discounted pretty reliably and then combo with soulcage

Save this video for the record books. Zeddy was 100% correct on his card reviews

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who constantly mixes up DH and DK. words are hard.

Plague DK was dead on arrival and they don't give it support. So much on how much the devs care for their archetypes. I wouldn't call the cards "terrible". But yeah they are not that great. Sinister Soulcage could be played in Plague DK to copy the Deathrattle minion that shuffels 2 plagues into the deck, but 5 corpses is more interesting for rainbow DK. Maybe it finally helps that deck. The forge minion from Titans was also a good one for that deck, so maybe that is enough. And not to forget it also would be great for the egg. It gives that +2/+2, so it can pop itself, you get a copy. That is pretty great. Sickly Grimewalker is great with Necromancer, but the ability is much better in a control deck and unholy is the aggro rune. So I don't get why it is in there. Runes of Darkness is okay. Also for Rainbow maybe. DK has mostly good weapons, giving them +1/+1 would be great. So maybe an okay enough card.

Can you spend 6 Corpses to give the weapon +2/+2?

Tempo King your Sickly Grimewalker, and then your necromancer that summons taunts and your hero power all work to make a dangerous board that’s hard to deal with

Honestly good. I remember countless hearthstone sessions in the past half year where I played against death knight over half the games I played. Give them shitty cards for the next expansion too please.

I can't wait for this miniset, finally the Yogg Saron is back!

Earthens and Plagues got most likely no Support or better nore cards of their exact archetype because they for one, thought they will be technically fine with their card pool, and for the second, they most likely had the miniset already done as card list, when the main set was released, and when people noticed, these two archetypes are underperforming they wouldnt switch alread designer cards our to Design new cards or redesign the mini set cards to be earthen/plague cards There is maybe a little chance, that in the final miniset of the year, where some things of all main sets are mixed or at least revisited, they maaaaaybe give for these archetypes something new But mosr likely not, keywords for sure, but archetypes from older seta of the year cause of flavour reasons, hope so, but nearly no hope

can they remove the rune restriction of dk already?

I think the grimewalker can be pretty cool in a hand buff deck

The reason why the foreman spell is unplayable if you ask me is because unless you’re putting this in triple unholy, you’re likely not having 5 quarts is my turn for

I feel like that 4 mana card could be a sleeper, since if there is any good Undead with a deathrattle, this might actually be good. But in 2023 Hearthstone it is probably far from enough. In my eyes, Team 5 should rework every class to have a sort of Runes system, locking powerful cards behind deck building restrictions. But clearly they should add a buff for when you go rainbow: like get a coin extra or so. Just to give these decks with lower power cards a little bump. Begin able to summon a 3-drop on turn one, when going second might actually be good.

for Plaguebringer DK the Rune of Darkness does mean one more plague and 2 damage, playing them back to back (2x Rune of Darkness ) means you have a 3 damage weapon and 5 plagues.

@Abrody1477

10 ай бұрын

problem is that it's 1 blood rune tho

I think the main impact Runes of Darkness will have is that it's a Shadow spell which can easily be generated (usually by priest)

@Doosfin

10 ай бұрын

These cards are cool as pack filler but it's weird to see a mini set that's full of pack filler

Why no plague support?

Sickly Grimewalker will probably be run for a simple reason. That is deathknights Have a hard time dealing with tall minions.

Sinister Soulcage feels like they reversed the text somehow. 4 Mana to summon a copy of an Undead would be a weak but fine card, and spending souls to buff it first would make for a good payoff. The way it is it's either completely utter garbage or okay, might as well make souls part of the base cost like mana at that point.

Think you are wrong about that Copy card. That card is insane. Copy Gnome Muncher and bam 14 health, along with taking out some minions or the best case both hit face and just leaves you with two good taunt minions. Also copy Malignant Horror now you have a 4/6 reborn that copies it's self at the end of your turn and you already have two of them. Of course you need to dedicate corpse gain but that really ain't hard in blood, unholy. And I do think Blood works the best because that kinda life gain and board presence will just make your enemy surrender.

only thing i can think to use sinister is in a 2frost1unholy thadeus frost draw deck, play thad on even and you'll be able to copy and now have all non 10 cost ( although when you draw the second all cards) evens free. you could draw out crazy damage, auctioneer is 6 cost, 4 horse i guess, but i think it will see use in tier b or.... probably a mark otk video deck lol.

The discover a weapon seems oright to me. Other two will only be seen when discovered tho

Good thing they aren't Plague cards.

4:03 yup, in wild only tho. Sphere of Sapience

death night is my favorite class, and I love it the most

this is the death of the death knight

They can support mech paladin more, but can't give plagues anything. Baffling is an understatement.

This Grimewallker give unholy deck option to board clear giant minions which a good thing.

Discover a weapon and give it another swing? that could be huge, 7-3 lifesteal weapon or a 2-4 shuffle a plague in every swing seems really good to me, the other weapons are alright but there's such a low card pool you are likely to get one or the other.

Blizzard really messed up by not just making three distinct classes rather than tying Death Knight to the interchangeable runes. If they had released Frost, Blood and Undead DK as individual classes over time rather than all at once I feel like there'd be a lot more balance.

Seems the miniset is buffing the buffed and shunning the shunned ... I still love you DK ...

I was hoping my rainbow deck could finally be good

Dk is the "new" warrior good job Blissart.

If sickly grimewalker was even itd be pretty good, 1 mana hero power+poisonous?

I wish that first card was 2 or 4 mana so i could have poison even death knight hero powers.

Where are the gosh darn plague cards!!!

Battlecries will not be poisonous as they go off before "summon" and since grimewalker triggers AFTER you summon, the Battlecries cannot benefit from that.

I need the Yogg in my deck! 😄

The poisonous dude reminds me of the hunter card in witchwood which had the same stats and mana cost and gave poisonous to 1 mana minions when played, that was trash but at least you could for example elven archer and it would kill anything, I mean it was really trash and saw no play so I see no universe where this sees any play is that saw no play.

I didn’t spend all 1600 of my dust on that damn rainbow spell for nothing please let this be good support

Giving +1/+1 to a 3 mana fiery waraxe, makes it a 4 mana 4/3 weapon, which is above average.

soulcage is some nice rainbow support

RAINBOW DEATH KNIGHT SUPPORT LETSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOO

The card Sinister soulcage, could be used for "Infectious Ghoul", when there are 2 Infectious Ghouls on the board they are difficult to remove. But you're right it's quite expensive, the card that transmits the deathrattle to the others is more efficient for Infectious Ghoul

wait new lega priest show fast 🎉

Death Knight or limp D?

Seriously? No plague cards? WHY?

I mean ... They probably have to create some BAD DK Spells ... Otherwise the discover pool is just too good 🤣

2 blightboars for the price of one?!?

While I'd be inclined to give the second and third cards 2 stars because they are not actively bad, none of these cards are particularly exciting either. But who knows, maybe Rainbow starts to gain ground on the back of an ever expanding card pool.

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

Rainbow still lacks a direction though. Its only unique thing is CNE which is garbage, even if you somehow manage to spend a ton of corpses it's still garbage because of how terribly it scales (Both the stats of the minions are separate targets to be improved...) and how useless the overall effect is when it isn't just blowing up the opponent with the direct damage (Since the minions don't have rush, you don't even get a board clear like Marrowgar) Outside of CNE, it's just a bad version of any other DK deck. If you try and play controlling and use Sindragosa... You're just bad BBB. If you play aggro with spells you're just bad FFF. If you try and play the undead tempo package you're just bad UUU. If you try to play Plagues you're just bad FUU. Rainbow could be a lot better if the Discover X Rune cards (Frost Strike, Hematurge, Mortician) were 1 rune. So the deck could more reliably access some 2 rune cards outside of Vizier + Teacher. But it would still leave the deck without a real gameplan due to how the win condition cards are all triple rune (With Rainbow Plagues being held back by the fact that the main plague generators, Distressed Kvaldir and Staff of Primus are both UU instead)

blizzard has to make double rune cards very balanced , at the same time concentrate to single rune, runeless and rainbow cards so to open up "neutral deckbuilding" wuth actual restrictions balance wise, for using the triple rune ones.

Soulcage Is good in plague: Copy kvaldir or Thassarian

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

If it would be good, people would be playing Cover Artist.

more rainbow dk support sounds good,they need more corpse spenders

Sad no plagues support!

single rune that eat corpses, i'm in.

No plague support is mindblowing to me

I agree to all that these are very weird sets of cards for DK

I can't handle it again. They bring a new class with an interesting new deck building method, the runes, and then they just make the whole class boring. blood/controll, not enough. unholy, interesting, not enough. Frost was strong at least for a while but again not enough to keep the class interesting for a whole year. and now no cards are added that change anything. Plus the miserable balancing in several modes. I really don't know what they're doing at Blizzard. I would have preferred we had a Demon Hunter 2.0 that could have been quickly adjusted and nerfed if necessary

Sinister Soulcage is probably one of the worst modern HS cards I've ever seen. I get that combining effects is powerful but even if this card were 3 or 2 mana, it probably wouldn't see a ton of play.

I could see sinister soulcage bein pretty good. Summoning a copy always seems like a good thing. Reminds me of Lab Constructor

@gunpixelgun

10 ай бұрын

Not really, as lab was able to not just get value immediately but be a major scaling threat while this just seems kindof worse almost all the time

the sickly grimewalker + destroy a pleage = kill all enemy minions (or the 3 mana finaly deal 2 daamge to all enemys

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

1) Sickly Grimewalker only buffs AFTER the minion is summoned and its battlecry resolved. 2) Tomb Traitor is not an undead so wouldn't get buffed by Sickly Grimewalker anyway.

@DonutsGaming_

10 ай бұрын

@@tarille1043 but what aobut the wild murlock after u play a murlock give it poisiones and if you have a murlock deal 1 damage to all enmieis or something

@tarille1043

10 ай бұрын

@@DonutsGaming_ In that scenario, it's Toxfin's battlecry giving poisonous to Flurgl which deals 1 damage to all enemies after playing a murloc (Meaning after the battlecry has resolved)

You can just tell that this set and this mini-set were all designed for the rainbow DK and at the last minute they changed it all around and we're left with this crap.

Any rush undead = assassinate. Unstable ghoul = full board clear. Also zeddy these cards are bad...

It’s crazy how bad plagueknight is and I can’t believe they just sunk the hatchet even further with this mini set.

Very niche cards. I don't think they will see play unless other cards will be nerfed

Good job zeddy

omg if they nerfed Sinister Soulcage just because it can be reduced by 2 mana because of Nerubian Vizier that is some Bullshit

This mini set has REALLY missed the mark in my opinion. I'm not excited at all for the first time!

Weird, rogue get's cards for strong archetype like mechs but paladin and DK nothing for their weak archetypes they tried push in this expansion

Runes of darkness could see play

>makes the entire expac about one archetype >archetype is not doing good >make a mini set with absolutely no support to that archetype whatsoever

@locogato3488

10 ай бұрын

That archetype took 6 out 10 card slots in the expansion already. Its better to just leave it as it is.

@PenguinWithInternetAccess

10 ай бұрын

@@locogato3488 I get that it's funny to push an archetype that much to not do much with it with the mini set tho in my opinion

These Cards really look weak. I think the soulcage is the only relevant one I also can see only some uses like get another copy of Thaddius or the Titan. But you can run the soloist instead, the only upside for the soulcage is that you can discover it from your deck via the compas

So pryomancer is undead apparently