The most dangerous time in a women's life is when she's ending a relationship.

@myunknownland9272

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, normal people don't understand this. Obsessed with killing her. They have no feelings.

@dirkdiggler7317

2 жыл бұрын

Rejection conjures the devil remember

@janycebrown4071

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirkdiggler7317 In evil people 👿

@dirkdiggler7317

2 жыл бұрын

@@janycebrown4071 not necessarily, you'll never know how you'll react to rejection depending on the severity of the betrayal

@kuroneko7022

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirkdiggler7317 really? I know I’d never murder and burn someone’s body because they rejected me! I’m not going to prison for any damn body - nobody is worth that just because they don’t want me anymore. You have to be morally bankrupt to murder over something like that!

What gets me every time when they show a victim's life and the childhood pictures, is you give a birth to a human being and do everything to make them feel safe and then an AH comes into their life thinking they have the right to abuse them and to end their life. It makes me angry and sad at the same time. My brain and heart just can't process that...

@cosymedia2257

Жыл бұрын

Right because it's not about revenge (this term doesn't apply in this cases) - it's total abuse

@jeffcampbell2710

Жыл бұрын

She obviously loved his violent side, how he started Schiff everywhere he went or she wouldn't have been with him in the first place.

@grammichal6759

Жыл бұрын

@Belltown Daisy Educate yourself about domestic abuse please.

@joannepatrickdelacruz4399

7 ай бұрын

What's an AH?

Someone has probably already said this, but frankly, rejecting him wasn’t a “mistake”. She didn’t make a mistake. He did. He made a bad choice. Put the blame where it lies.

@kotorisama3080

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. As if leaving a cheating butthole or an abusive narcissist is a bad thing. The mistake would have been NOT leaving them. Psychos are psychos. Unfortunate for the two women. These POS think they own them. Hope they rot in jail

@k_j_n1242

2 жыл бұрын

Right! As of these men didn't have control over their own actions and decisions 🙄

@Rubycella

2 жыл бұрын

@K_J_ N this is why insanity pleas are pointless and excuses

@LadyBelladonnaStorm

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! They tell the women to leave violent relationships, and when they do leave and they’re harmed, suddenly leaving was a mistake. Can’t win for frickin’ losing.

@wolftone57

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't make a bad choice. He was a bad choice. He was a violent, unpredictable, thug. She was a dead person walking. This man premeditated this murder because he didn't give a shit about her. But she had done something that to him was untenable. She left him. He had lost control of her. In his psychopathic mind he needed to reassert his control. In his warped view of the world the best way to do that was to destroy her completely. He didn't just kill her he immolated her. He destroyed her. In his warped mind, he had won.

At the first incidence of violence, run! The longer you stay with an abuser the harder it will be to get away! Violent brutes are not going to let you go after they’ve been abusing you over time so the first time he shows aggression, do not give him another chance! If you allow him to establish a pattern of violence and then you forgive over and over, you’re going to be in grave danger. I’m still not understanding how women can say they love someone who is so violent towards them - it’s really heartbreaking. These brutes have no idea of what love is, only control thru fear and violence. I wish she’d never married him. He only saw her as a possession and someone he could beat into submission.😡

@calebmcintosh1991

2 жыл бұрын

It's like a frog in boiling water - of course if you throw him in when it's boiling, he'll jump out. But if you turn up the heat slowly, he won't notice until it's too late. Abusers rarely start with physical violence, and love bomb and isolate their victims. It's easy to say run, it's much harder to do.

@joannbowden6220

2 жыл бұрын

I tell every man I meet from the very beginning, if you throw hands on me be ready to die b/c I will kill you! It might not be right then, but it will definitely happen! When you least expect it!

@cassandrawilliams3738

2 жыл бұрын

@@calebmcintosh1991 well said, this is what makes them so dangerous

@toothless2690

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirvilhelmofyonderland you are blaming the victim

@toothless2690

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think we allow plp to do anything?

Oh finally two cases I've not heard of before. Sucks that a murderer can be released from prison in Australia.

@Roc-Righteous

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that's Australia for you, just like liberal Britain, Canada, France etc. Criminal loving bleeding heart liberals.

@k_j_n1242

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roc-Righteous What are you on about 🙄 Wally

@lizabethgussman331

Жыл бұрын

All over the world. 🤬🤬🤬

"Once a drug addict, always a drug addict." No, once an angry, violent human, always an angry, violent human.

@SNUPE_FOXX92

2 жыл бұрын

Both statements can be true unfortunately

@lynettekomidar2819

2 жыл бұрын

@@SNUPE_FOXX92 No, the statement is not true.

@Jolenesmart1980

2 жыл бұрын

exactly i was a raaving heroin addict in the 90s for a decade and decided few years back to stop and been clean years got a nice house etc

@Lisa-hc3uq

2 жыл бұрын

Why is it that if you're an alcoholic and become sober for many years, you're still considered an alcoholic? Same a drugs, if you're a drug addict and clean for years, your still an addict. It's the same thing as both are diagnosed addiction issues. Addiction doesn't simply go away. It's always there. Regardless of whatever measure you're using.. Once a drug addict, always a drug addict, rings true with all addictive activities. Drugs, alchohol, nicotine, etc.

@alison4316

2 жыл бұрын

Something about this lady makes me think she meant his behaviors and that he would actively seek out drugs because he was one addicted. And his being a drug addict/recovering drug addict had nothing to do with why he murdered her daughter.

Lisa was my cousin. We were all in shock when this happened. Rip Lisa. Condolences to Amy, her sister. 🙏

@karenslattery5465

2 жыл бұрын

so sorry for your loss xx

@wolftone57

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that. The pain of the death of someone you love in these circumstances never abates.

@atalanta_1371

Жыл бұрын

you all not call the police. at the first time you all know. how evil hè was that’s so sad 🥺

@angelcraig9912

Жыл бұрын

@@atalanta_1371 I hate when people lie saying there related to victims they see on shows like this

@trinityjosephsparanormalre5993

Жыл бұрын

I am so sorry for your family and her struggle with such a abusive man...I went through the same thing with a man that beat me up and tried to put me in a camp fire. May she rest in peace.

The dog's little wink at the end whilst Lisa's mum talks about her is adorable.

How does an intelligent, beautiful, independent woman with 2 degrees and working for a law firm end up with an ex con, unemployed mechanic? Doesn't make sense to me.

@katesymes6343

2 жыл бұрын

It shows that domestic violence can happen to anyone.

@herstory1012

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@ronelllambert5394

2 жыл бұрын

It shows that Love Is Blind!!!! Sadly.

@ivyvulaj8804

2 жыл бұрын

Just because you have a degree doesn’t mean you smart it means you are educated on a certain subject.

@lovefootball94

Жыл бұрын

They say love is blind but to what stage you have to realise when it’s time leave and move on ffs ! This is so bad and it happens more often then not !

Stop talking about how much he loved her ..he loved being able to CONTROL her!! We have to teach young women to know the difference between truly loving someone vs the NEED to be loved and ending up and worse , STAYING with these horrendous controlling psychopaths...

@karinhein476

2 жыл бұрын

👍👏✌️🇩🇰

@lindaarrington9397

2 жыл бұрын

Also he was a bum used her for money Pior girl

@johannas.l.brushane2518

2 жыл бұрын

I'd also take into consideration of teaching young men that it's nothing adorable about trying to force someone to stay in a relationship if they don't so desire, regardless of how hurtful a rejection can be.

@KimPassmore-hz1cu

2 жыл бұрын

9⁹⁹9

@sheilasmith7779

2 жыл бұрын

These are insecure men that won't change. Rejection is a mortal psychological wound that they can't tolerate, and rage is the response.

If a man tells you, "If I can't have you, no one will, either." Believe him. When you leave, always be with friends because he will try to find you alone.

@charliejb1747

2 жыл бұрын

Or a woman!

Lisa's mother: Everyone reserve second chance. Never say that to your daughter, shs should leave right away if her partner hit her

When he mentioned jail she should have fled...so sad!

Wolves never change don't enable monsters stop allowing someone to hurt u over and over. I've been single a very long time and it's OK. Less drama

@tinawindham6958

2 жыл бұрын

Divorced 1999…he still harasses me three states away. So does his wife that I don’t even know.

@lindaarrington9397

2 жыл бұрын

Ive been alone and sane over 30 years

@lindaarrington9397

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinawindham6958 that's awful Take stay away papers and stalking papers

@andrellsmith9083

2 жыл бұрын

@@lindaarrington9397 nothing wrong with that I'm learning that becoming closer to God and myself is what I really need.

@andrellsmith9083

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinawindham6958 wow!!! Why?

I agree, how can you forgive?? So heartbreaking, my heart goes out to Lisa’s family 🙏🏻

@asifmetal666

2 жыл бұрын

Nope

Wow, these families have been put thru horrible trauma. Poor Paul, thank goodness he survived,..Id be afraid to even meet another person after what he went thru

By the way, both these guys were cowards. They always pick on people weaker than them.

Wow! Pleased to meet you Mick! How terrifying for her. But it must be really difficult being a survivor of something like that. Paul has to live out the rest of his life not being able to unsee that night. I can’t even begin to imagine!

The first time they show you who they really are, LEAVE THEN. Don't sit back and think, oh he's not always like this, I love him. There is nothing to love. Never a good idea to give ANYONE a key to your home.

@Venus-gn5oi

2 жыл бұрын

Especially not after 8 weeks 😳

You don't have to forgive to move on, and anyone who says that needs to get a clue. You can move on without forgiving everyone is different.

FYI telling another person they have to forgive to move on is insane, if they don't feel any forgiveness in their heart don't force it. I know I'd never forgive anyone who hurt or killed anyone I cared about

@Venus-gn5oi

2 жыл бұрын

So true, I can't stand either when people say that. It's different for everyone. I don't care what the bible says. When someone hurts me bad or someone I love, me trying to forgive them it just causes more pain and makes me feel even more suffer because it doesn't feel right. I can better move one without forgiveness from people who didn't deserve one. Because at that moment they decide to cause incredible pain, they stop existing for me and I don't have any emotions towards them. So yes, people need to stop saying and forcing people to forgive. We're all different and that's ok.

@hollyhayes9640

2 жыл бұрын

How do you forgive someone on another persons' behalf? Only the victim has the right to say whether or not their abuser is forgiven. 🧐

I guess since I've never dealt with an abusive man, I don't understand why someone stays after the first time they're hit. Hitting ISN'T love...one slap is one too many! Smh It's so important to love yourself and know your value! She married him, knowing he was an abuser.🤷🤷🤔😠

@oOzephyrOo

Жыл бұрын

I hope you'll never have to deal with an abusive man; I can tell you as much, that I agree 100% with you, but sadly in the past I've been in an abusive relationship, with both physical and mental violence, manipulation tactics, gaslighting, the whole package and I don't quite understand why I stayed. I was also confused, have no family and noone to rely on and was violently abused growing up... that contributes, plus, it all doesn't happen overnight, usually. Maybe a bit of "sunken cost fallacy", like at the first signs of abuse you gaslight yourself into thinking you've invested so much and can't face "loosing" everything (although, it's never any loss really, and you gain your freedom). Personally I also stayed bc I was simply scared to leave (and for good reasons, it did cost me a lot to escape).

@lizabethgussman331

Жыл бұрын

The partners are isolated from their families and friends. They are also mentally abused.

@ReikiontheRun

Жыл бұрын

They are very calculated in their grooming. I thought I would be the last person on planet earth to stay after one hit, but I stayed for 5 years. It's crazy how they get you. I was only a shell of myself when I left. For about a year after I left, if I would catch myself laughing, I would quickly stop. Crazy.

That ain't no luck! Her new lover is a beast, literally indestructable.

@jmiller883

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment! This one deserves an award 🥇

They need to quit saying "the woman he once loved" those monsters do not love!!!! Its obsession!!!! Someone loves you they would never hurt you!!!! I was stalked and attacked by ex untill thankfully died before he could kill me!!!

ALL THE WARNING SIGNS WHERE THERE very early on and she chose to ignore them, even chose to marry him. Evil is real! And the same vile wrath he displays upon others will surely one day turn upon you! This is not a judgement on the victim but a LESSON to all women still out there dating and looking for love. My mother once told me as I began to date as a young woman " Read the book! Don't just look at the pictures."

@sarah5893

Жыл бұрын

You're blaming the victim. No one can comment or judge unless you've actually been in a similar/same situation

I'm posting this in 2022, to attest that Paul Gray is one of the sweetest men you will ever hope to meet. He has grandchildren and continues to love life with his larrikin sense of humour. The world is all the better because he survived. He had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the worse time. Both these cases show how deadly Domestic Violence, Coercive Control, and Narcissistic Abuse can be. To the women and children directly involved, their families, the police, and the broader community. How's about we quit tolerating this nonsense and get real tough from the word go on this sort of crime (abuse, stalking, dv, cc, na).

@nilgiridreaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yes - tougher penalties much needed right now!

"How could he kill sommeone he loved so much?" He never loved her.

@k_j_n1242

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't know what love is.

@aussiecoastie72

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Gregory10000000000

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Really gets on my t*ts when people ask how they could do such a thing when they were such beautiful women 🤦‍♀️ what's that got to do with anything?! So less attractive women deserve it but beautiful women don't 🙄

@k_j_n1242

2 жыл бұрын

Right! Looks have bugger all to do with it. What TF is wrong with people.

@charliejb1747

2 жыл бұрын

And the "innocent" thing. Oh, they "killed an innocent person!" Or the old, "innocent bystander". What if the person wasn't quite innocent; had broken the law once or twice. Only "innocent" people don't deserve to die? It really gets my goat!

Who in their right mind, would start dating someone. Knowing, they are a drug criminal, who just got out of the jail.

@mollyhorse

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought! And yet "she had 2 degrees"...really? Would like to know what they were! Also she worked at a law firm....sorry, but common sense is a necessary thing ladies!

@ponygirlusa

2 жыл бұрын

Especially a woman with 2 degrees and a good job in a law office. For that ugly troll!

@hollyroxy25

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously a person that isn’t as judgmental as you. Not everyone that’s been to jail/prison is a horrible person, people make mistakes & get in bad situations.

@Venus-gn5oi

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it can lead to bad consequences for people who are less "judgemental". It's not about being judgemental, it's about being careful and it is not a bad thing, it can actually protect you from dangerous people. It's about trusting your instincts next to evaluating the info you have about the person. So if someone has a criminal past it is higher probability that they might be more violent but then when you experience the first signs of violence you better trust those and RUN!

@sarah5893

Жыл бұрын

YOU ARE BLAMING THE VICTIM DO NOT COMMENT OR JUDGE A PERSON'S SITUATION UNLESS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THE SAME. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

Rest in peace beautiful Lisa!!💔🙏🏽🙏🏽

Lisa is the spitting image of her Mom!!!! Two beautiful women….. How sad for both of them! One bad decision ruined both their lives. 😔

It’s bloody hard to forgive your very own self after a mistake! How could you forgive pure selfish, angry and dark evil MONSTER… and an ex-con?????

More lives than a cat the 2nd guy? Well done mate ..

She knew he wasn’t the right guy but married him anyway. A very sad and unfortunate story. Such loss to her family. Rip Lisa.

Love this channel.

@TrueCrimeCentral

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@damianstarks3338

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrueCrimeCentral that is why I subscribed to this channel !

You can be addicted to a person.. stronger than any drug..imo

@keithdrummond1003

2 жыл бұрын

Well, certain types of people can be addicted to another person. The few times I've seen this, it was never healthy.

@donnagpalk912

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithdrummond1003 So 👍true

There was no explanation for the footage of Mick being angry at cameras.

Wow Paul is a actual strong strong man to have survived this what an absolute brilliant man and his instincts kicked in omg I just couldn’t imagine .unbelievable he survived what an amazing man .but sad for him to watch what that horrible vindictive man done to this beautiful woman very sad 😔

calling this stuff “revenge” is in an ignorant error - revenge is retaliatory for something done to you. this is unprovoked in any sane understanding of reality.

@extraterrestrialexcrement530

2 жыл бұрын

Correct!

@Marco_El_Afro-Latino

2 жыл бұрын

Revenge- The action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands These guys felt like they had been wronged by the women who left them. Revenge is the best word in English to use for it

@izcm

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marco_El_Afro-Latino FELT, not WERE wronged. narcissistic injury is not being “wronged”, that’s the whole fucking point. congrats on identifying with perpetrators though.

Narcissists are very strategic. I have 3 in my family of varying degrees. The power of one person over another is incomprehensible. Money, power, physical strength, fear and love. We are the strangest species on the planet 😥❤✨️🐻🌏

“Once a drug addict always a drug addict” is such a wrong phrase to use I have so many family members who were able to fight the addiction and get good jobs and all!

Interesting series inside story

These so called men are selfish cowards!

@Venus-gn5oi

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my diagnosis of those men, selfish cowards.

Lit up on fire, what a nightmare. How scary. In such a vulnerable situation.

Ladies! Plz! After break ups Change the locks.

Teach your children to accept rejection gracefully. Entitlement is ugly

Rest in peace 🙏 Lisa and Claire

Don't lie I am clean for more than 3 years if you don't know how it's like don't comment ist up to your self if you want to change

@martinashaughnessy1800

2 жыл бұрын

Well done keep up the good work people can change if they really want

The police sketch showing the scratches 😒

These guys are like 2 year old spoiled brats who can't have a cookie so they throw a tantrum

@angelathornbury3750

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

He didn't "love'" her. Narcissist have no capacity for that.

I just can't understand why anyone would do these things 😪

@cheetoesgal5229

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirvilhelmofyonderland Disgusting. You sound like such a charmer. NOT.

Men can be as naive as women when they go home with a stranger in a " one night stand."

I don't condone violence, especially on women but to say "As girls who can hurt us... we are untouchable" I'm like woooh! Where's gender equality in this?

@tinawindham6958

2 жыл бұрын

That made no sense, maybe she meant how could anyone hurt us? I think of men like my stepdad , my dad, uncles, brother..,that old 60 and over group didn’t treat women with violence and they were providers.,men today want to move in a woman’s house and “be in between jobs”.

two beautiful women gone just like that. so sad

@asifmetal666

2 жыл бұрын

Jk right

Self inflicted wounds. Your drug dealer boyfriend starts choking you on the first date, your whole family warns you but hey, you’re hell bent on fixing him. You go looking for trouble, you find trouble. All the best 🤦🏽‍♀️🙆🏼‍♀️

Audio is inconsistent. Hard to find a happy medium. I'll wait for the next one.

@namewithheldbygoogleforsec673

2 жыл бұрын

Audio is fine for me. 🤷‍♀️

@eunicestone838

2 жыл бұрын

Well I don't expect much as it's a free video from KZread.

11:20 and she still stayed...ladies self esteem is everything

Gotta love how men view women as objects that belong to them.

11:39-11:52 "Everyone is ENTITLED to 2nd chances". No 2nd chance is a PRIVILEGE not an entitlement

I hope they manage to get Foxy Furs franchised and set up all over the place so that if that jerk ever makes it out of prison, he sees them everywhere and is reminded of what he did everywhere he looks.

My heart just breaks for her family....😔

Some men are really insane.

Well said truth fisher

Looks to me like he could live without her just fine. What he meant was she couldn't live without him.

Why do so many people call delusion love?

The woman saying you never really know someone, in these cases they knew they chose not to believe it

this is extremely tragic very sad

He couldn’t live without her!!!!!?????? No no no……. Richard would not let her live without him! Selfish to the end of her Life!

it angers me when they said"they could'nt have known what evil he had planned"yet they'd seen him with large containers of fuel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what does that tell you?????.............she should have been given police protection yet this never happened??????...............why????????

That small child present in the brawl video. Seriously…?! 😞

Beautiful lady xx 🙏🕯🙏

Cowards out of control...

So he’s married which means he has someone else but vengeful towards his gf who didn’t want anything to do with him🤔🤔🤔🤔

Man, if I had a roommate or partner like these guys, I'd stick a note under my mattress, "In case of murder, my ex did it." Also in the second story, you have a fantastic example of hysterical strength.

@tinawindham6958

2 жыл бұрын

Just get OUT

@AnimeShinigami13

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinawindham6958 well that too, but you and I both know that kind of person would do his best to ensure you don't escape. That said, it's all hypothetical because I absolutely refuse to get anymore roommates. too many of them tried to make their problems MY problems, ALSO they would leave suddenly.

The first 1 broke me up

Blinded by love

It's their first date and when he comes in they are in bed together??

Heartbreaking watching how destroyed her family is because if this horrible vindictive man that couldn’t cope this lovely woman have a life without him in it .just horrible all because if he didn’t have her no one would just horrible world we live in and also you never really know somone no matter who it is just be aware when red flags happen and try get out and away as safely as possible

Why can’t men or women walk away this is horrible rip Lisa.

Both tragedies... R.i.p

How sad!!!

God Bless The Family. Unfortunately women see all Red Flags hear Red Flags and still moving forward with bad men. Unfortunately.

Paul is almost comically the cliche laid back Aussie.

44:39 That looks like a badly drawn Sally Acorn from Sonic the Hedgehog 👀 Even the hair is super similar.

My brother went through this except the ex bf killed him and shot the ex girlfriend but she survived. But ofc that won’t be broadcast. He was 22 and biracial, changing his life around. Wasn’t even dating the girl, just getting to know her.

Lisa loved his violent side, it's what she liked. She liked how he started Schiff everywhere he went, or she would've walked away in the beginning if she didn't. Lots of women like that in a man.

She knew he wasn't the right one but married him anyway. Smart woman

I'm not begging anyone for anything , and I'm fighting for my life

You woukd see it coming you just didnt want to see it .sorry for your loss .

My god I live in Hervey bay and I didn't know about this one.

Narcissist period most situations it’s the outcome people try to make it work Truma bonded before u date ask about their childhood I’m so glad glad I got away ALIVE!

How many more victims we need to have to change our education system. All Sociopaths behave in the same fashion. Very loving affectionate and charming. When they have control, they are vicious. Sociopathic personalities must be taught at school.

This is why women always act so frightened. We can never tell which men are good and which ones will kill us!

@mollyhorse

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, not true. Signs will always be there, you just have to not ignore them

21:58. Child’s drawing?

The girl from first story looks like Brook Shields. I don't know what she saw in that man! He is ugly from inside out! And so apply for the second victim!

@k_j_n1242

2 жыл бұрын

What on earth do looks have to do with anything? 🤔

Can't tie yourself to garbage people.

So she got involved with him right away and he had only been out of prison for 10 days. The 2nd woman was in bed with a man on the first date. This has nothing to do with the murders, but ladies, please be more discerning. Also, you do not need a man that badly.😔

You don't hurt someone you love

Why do people go into a relationship when there's a red flags