With all the viewer interest we've decided to extend this series by exploring the Roman campaigns to avenge Varus and his legions. Check out part 1: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aamKj9CYfLG3Zrw.html

@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323

3 жыл бұрын

Ramensteins video Deutschland seems to be echoing this story. I find it disturbing how Jesuit Pope Francis and Queen Elizabeth have worked non stopped to bring Rome into power. UN is already using the ridiculous Canon Laws. So we live gagged by face masks, and our children brainwashed.

@overlord5068

3 жыл бұрын

Arminius is a an Aryan = Germanic = Nordic hero

@overlord5068

3 жыл бұрын

He defended his race

@overlord5068

3 жыл бұрын

Against the Romans

@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323

3 жыл бұрын

@@overlord5068 Whats the India part of it?

Whoever makes the artwork, give them a raise

@gabrielhoffman4897

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the exact same thing!

@jimmiarreltherford8464

3 жыл бұрын

Give'em the whole budget

@pucmahone3893

3 жыл бұрын

I concur!

@chrisu9274

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@eddardstark6554

3 жыл бұрын

And give them daily free lunches and Friday night drinks for a year! Toss in a gas card or two and increase their benefits! (I’m definitely not one of the artists...)

Someone needs to make a horror game about a roman legionnaire trying to get back over the Rhine with the eagle and meanwhile remaining undetected. He'll wander the dark, eldritch forests of Germania seeing his friends and comrades hung up and sacrificed in various fashions

@JC-fy8wh

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and also being haunted by its PTSD from surviving the slaughter. Sounds like a nightmare

@TheThreeFantastic

3 жыл бұрын

Nightmare? They lost so hard, they fled to the south in bavaria building a loooong palisade- wall. That’s no nightmare, that was pure hell.

@julian6868

3 жыл бұрын

Thats an amazing idea

@robertomurteira5913

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'd pay for such a game

@BanditoBurrito

3 жыл бұрын

I think Outlast is a good base for the general sort of gameplay.

"Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back" Marcus Aurelius

@fernandoreynaaguilar1438

2 жыл бұрын

The Bushido agrees with this

@jasondelrosario5523

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the Romans ever smiled during what happened at Teutoburg due to the sheer brutality of the Germans against the Romans at that time.

@jonathanlee5314

2 жыл бұрын

Impressive, very based.

@The_Honcho

Жыл бұрын

Misattributed quote 😢

@claudiodominguez.

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Honcho 216 👍

The story has a postscript. Some captives taken at Teutoberg were freed by a Roman expedition against the Chatti in 50 AD. Old men overwhelmed with joy were liberated after _40 years_ in captivity.

@Briselance

2 жыл бұрын

40 years??? O_o

@m.j.9318

2 жыл бұрын

From where do you have that information? Source?

@mine9120

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.j.9318 when germanicas captured German Towns and camps, they found old men who were former legionaries who were captured at the ambush in teutoburg forest around 40 years ago. Some accounts also say that gemanicas found one of the old eagles of the lost legions

@m.j.9318

2 жыл бұрын

@@mine9120 What are these "some accounts" ?????? Do you have evidence and some sources?? From where do you have these information. Pls provide full link to the text (author and exact part where it is derscribed) if there is one. Just tell that. And i mean not only sources of the (as you say survivors 40 years ago) but also where are these written accounts of what they said about the battle?

@mine9120

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.j.9318 the glorious world of Wikipedia

I love how the tribes picked the place clean. I can imagine roman legionaries encountering germanic warriors with roman gear, knowing why they have it.

@pierzing.glint1sh76

3 жыл бұрын

Seeing that must have drove them mad with blood lust, with the fires of revenge burning in their hearts How dare they wear Roman armour

@joaosimao6325

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierzing.glint1sh76 Roman: "by Jupiter how dare you use the lorica hamata made for our glorious soldiers" Germans: "Mail is Mail!"

@clevermcgenericname891

3 жыл бұрын

German: Hey guys, all fair in love and war, right? Right?....what's the big wooden cross for?

@Jarlemoore1

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the Germanics doing a Battle of the Bulge scenario on the Romans, dressed like them then striking as they got near.

@graceamerican3558

3 жыл бұрын

Hearts and minds. It's a 'Look what WE did - so there!'.

And just think, at some point along the way EVERY family within those tribes eventually lost their ancestors ashes. Or they became irrelevant. And just think, a few years later when Rome came back for revenge and to bury their comrades they annihilated these tribes. It's crazy how vast history is. How many tribes, peoples, cultures have come and gone. Totally unremarked upon. No one remembers anything about them. Let alone what life was like. It's sad. Even driving through my childhood neighborhood I realized how irrelevant my friends and I were. Like there's been a whole other generation that's grown up and moved out in that neighborhood and while it hasn't changed that much... it sure isn't the same. It's just a weird concept to wrap your head around and really adds context to these stories. So appreciate the video.

@davidcervantes9336

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the beauty (or the horrors) of existence. Everything is irrelevant at the end of the day. Only humans prevail and, who knows, perhaps someday even they will also cease to exist.

@jonny-b4954

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidcervantes9336 Indeed. The horror made even more apparent when you realize... you won't even get to truly realize it's just an on/off switch at the end. At least in my opinion. Is going to be fucking hilarious if there is an after life though.

@abcdef-cs1jj

3 жыл бұрын

I'd politely disagree though, Jonny. The bodies and names of the men that fought and won this battle might be lost, but their legacy lives on. They changed the course of history and stopped the Roman war machine, eventually Rome would cease their invasion of German lands and focus on holding the Rhine, Teuteburg was a key factor in that. In the centuries to come, German tribes would overpower the Roman Empire and bring it to its knees, founding kingdoms that will lateron develop into Spain (Visigoths), France (Franks) and England (Anglo-Saxons) ... Also the actual sucesses of Germanicus' campaigns are historically doubtful if I remember correctly: He claimed to have won battles against German tribes on his campaign but there is no evidence to suggest that this is but fabrication to appease the populace and paint him as a conqueror. What we do know is that he returned with no gains to show for his supposed victories. But that really isn't that important. What is important is that even if we do not have such remarkable effect on the course of history as the men of Arminius had - we still influence it by living our little lifes. We are the offspring of thousands, ten-thousands of ancestors, a long line of little and great men. We continue to speak their language, we inherit their genes, their blood, even their customs to a far larger degree than most know ... and we get to take our place in that line, give it our own little spin in this direction or that. We chose a wife, we teach our children and maybe our grandchildren and continue the great adventure of life. Of course it is sad to look back, sometimes its also scary to look ahead, but there is also always beauty.

@ulrichrenner6256

3 жыл бұрын

​@Pantelis Tzimas They wanted, they tried hard. Conquering Germania would have been very prestigious. But they could not afford the cost and built a wall instead. After that wall fell some centuries later, Rome was sacked. Really funny how you, being Greek, call it the Greco-Roman war machine.

@ulrichrenner6256

3 жыл бұрын

@Pantelis Tzimas Rome was a Roman culture that was influenced by Greek culture by trading with Greeks and by taking over Greek colonies in Italy and later on all of Greece. But we weren't speaking of cultures, we were talking armies. To call the Roman legions that might have conquered Germania a Greco-Roman war machine is ridiculous, although some of the Roman troops who fought in Germania must have been Greek. The Romans brought Syrian archers to Germania, too.

I grew up close to the excavation site and went there a couple of times as a kid. When I was little, it was extremely exciting to imagine the enormous dimensions of the battle, standing right there on the grasslands. Now that I'm older and interested in military history, the idea of being right on top of where all that happened millennia ago is just awe-inspiring. Gotta visit again as soon as they reopen after Covid.

@honkytonk4465

3 жыл бұрын

No reopening=eternal Covid

@Nitidus

3 жыл бұрын

@@honkytonk4465 you must feel desperate if you really believe this

@garywalsh6304

Жыл бұрын

When I first-time saw this years back, I sensed a grt. Victory for the germanic tribes. Varus was portrayed as a brute. In truth however, this really was a massacre. The romans and especially their entourage never stood a chance. Stretched out and wiped out. Gone. Their recovery couldn't take back time either. Europe was indeed changed forever. For the beter ? I wonder. Perhaps Not so.

@noticerofpatterns9188

Жыл бұрын

Question, are the bones and artifacts left exactly where they were found in the ground or taken somewhere else? I'd hope they left them in the ground

@wewenang5167

8 ай бұрын

yeh, after what happened Rome were in declination and the Germanic tribes from all over northern Europe got bolder and start to pillaged roman territorials until they got to Rome...afte that they took over everything and the dark age came.@@garywalsh6304

Living only an hour drive away from Kalkriese and the battle of the Teutoburger Forrest I really enjoyed this view upon our history from overseas. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Germany 👋🏻

The art in this video was superb!

@deirdregibbons5609

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Superb and haunting. Also haunting music.

@michaellewis7959

3 жыл бұрын

It is exceptional

@NikolaiOfTheShire

3 жыл бұрын

i like it too, although i admit it reminds me of those evangelical pamphlets a bit

@jonothandoeser

3 жыл бұрын

It's too bad the *Germans didn't have a written language* or the details could have been even more accurate!

@RoyalZarak

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

I am actually born and raised in the Teutoburg Forrest and I am thrilled and proud to see this documentary! Thanks a lot!

@RexHrothgar1

3 жыл бұрын

How fascinating. Would you care to tell me what life is like where you live? Like do your people take pride in the history of the battle? Do you still honor the memories these days , and how? Maybe some go metal detecting around there? Anything at all would be appreciated. Just very curious.

@robaerto71

3 жыл бұрын

​@@RexHrothgar1 Hey, Rex! Actually there are no reminiscent traditions or events at all! The events of that era are so ancient that it has no recognizable effect on todays culture! Sometimes they are mentioned in history or Latin class, but nothing of depth. No analysis of the battles, the politics or something like that. However there is the "Hermannsdenkmal", a large monument and statue near Detmold in the heart of the Teutoburg Forest which is a well-visited, touristic attraction. But there are especially no re-enactments of those battles like in the US for example! Although they might be fun like some kind of a fantasy larp! The region has a particularly mystical atmosphere with its hills, large forests and several castles and ruins!! Actually I have been in my home-town last week and visited some ruins there. It always gets me when I see those aged strongholds in the sylvan barrows of early spring! It is funny that you asked for metal detecting! My best friend bought a detector just two years ago and wanted to use it more often during the lockdown. But here in Germany it is a little bit complicated. You need a license - which he has - and a special permission for the time and region you want to search. And you have to document everything. On the other hand it is understandable because there have been some military altercations in this region in WWII and there are still findings of war equipment. But there are relicts of those old German and Roman ages found too. Just in the last years there have been several discoveries of historical importance like coins, relics and other cultural items. I know this because I am a little history nerd but most of younger generations and even the older ones know nothing about the incidents of that time, except educated people of course. So, all in all there have been events in those times of monumental importance, which changed history and took part in the destruction and demise of the Roman empire - one of the largest empires in human history - that are mostly forgotten even by the descendants of the participants. I don't know why and I don't know if it is good or bad but I for my part am always fascinated to learn more about it! :)

@RexHrothgar1

3 жыл бұрын

@@robaerto71 Hey, Robaerto! Thank you for your kind reply. I guess there has been a lot of historical events surrounding Teutoburg Forest since the ancient times. Yet hearing of these ancient happenings indeed captured my imagination. The historical events that you have described occurring since then seem very intriguing as well. Especially how you described them. It’s such an old place with a rich history. I would probably be eternally enthralled if I could ever get to even see a place like that much less to live nearby. I can imagine that mystical atmosphere that you described as being very true. I get a similar sense when I visit rivers. They’re each so different yet most have a mystical aura about them. Since America is such a young culture, that’s about as ancient as I can find. I do enjoy reading and learning about our American Civil War, but not necessarily for the re-enacting of any battles. I just find Abraham Lincoln to be one of the most fascinating and greatest human beings that ever graced our world. And such beautiful eloquence with words! But you Europeans are so lucky. You have such beautiful cultures and histories. Not to mention the stark beauty of the lands themselves. I would never tire of being there. I’d love to relocate. This, my country... is still trying to recover from the last four years of the Orange one. How embarrassing. And frightening. (I digress.) Anyway, once again, thank you for taking the time to humor me, you’ve given me a lot of great food for thought. To which now I’ll get right to Googling “Hermannsdenkmal” and Detmold in order to get as close as I am able by way of internet. 😄🙂 I feel very lucky to have stumbled upon your comment. Somehow I feel that I have more in common with Europeans than my own countrymen. I live in Texas. Which is almost a country. The only historical places here are the old Spanish missions. Even that is a good 5 hour drive away. So call me just a bit jealous. :) Take care now.

@robaerto71

3 жыл бұрын

​@@RexHrothgar1 Ola and Hallo, Rex (as I am German of Portuguese decent)! I am so happy and proud to have found a brother and friend in spirit! :) Getting to know Europe quite well I am agreeing with you regarding the beauty and cultural richness of all the countries, but you know ... "the grass is always greener over there" ... I think you are a little bit too harsh to your country! I try to sound not to precocious while explaining my point of view, and please forgive me when I am failing! ALL countries go through rough times and there have been some REALLY crazy leaders, monarchs and dictators in Europe as well all through thousands of years of history - not only A.H.! And as you see everything developed to quite a satisfying point! The holy unqualified President you had was not the first and will not be the last embarrassment and I really think sometimes it needs a crisis like this to overthrow the past and bring the culture to flourish! It may cost a lot of damage and victims but in the end it might benefit the collective. I am obviously over-simplifying but I stand by it. Nations are like persons and have to go through particular phases and the USA are so young and pretentious ... one might think they are going through puberty! ;) When I watch all the news and commentaries from here and abroad (like TYT eg) I see a a lot of horrible thinks but more of hope and dignity! Of course you have all this violence and cruelty but you also have ALL THOSE LARGE DEMONSTRATIONS AND PROTESTS that can only be compared to the resistance that brought Democracy to the countries in Europe like in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany and later East-Germany! I think you can be optimistic about the future! And trust me, in those times people suffered and despaired too and needed strong and convincing leaders to not relinquish all hopes! And please do not forget the rich and old history you have in the US. You had 500 (!!!) native nations but you are all taught that this is the history of someone else! Instead you are taught to mimic the European "white" culture and history (whatever that means). Your nation has the widest range of different people from all over the world - that is unique! You US-Americans should embrace THIS richness and priceless and matchless possibility! When you have learned anything of European history you can not ignore all the senseless and gruesome wars! Neighbors, friends, family members! Christian against Muslims against Jews! Christians against Christians! Muslims against Muslims! All against Jews! Over gold, money, spices, power, influence, trade, territories, women, misunderstandings, hurt feelings and just for fun or arrogance! A lot of cultural developments were caused by just that!

@robaerto71

3 жыл бұрын

@@RexHrothgar1 Sorry, Rex, I never reached the limit in the comments! :D I didn't want to bore or bother you but I think your country has more to offer than you think! Europe is clearly worth a journey and I would be proud to welcome you and show you some of the beauty! And I think you could be proud and happy for your home-country too, in the most liberal and progressive way there is! Kind regards from Berlin, your Roberto!

I can only imagine the horror that would have been like knowing you are deep in enemy territory, and your army has been defeted.

@raptor_zero9429

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine to be a Roman soldier who escaped the slaughter, alone in the eerie and foggy woods of Germania. You keep trying to find a way to the nearest castrum even in the night, when horrific barbarian chants break the silence of the forest and those creepy things that your dead veteran friend told you about these unknown lands come to your mind, haunting your soul

@22fordfx49

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly dont know why anyone would be a soldier back then unless it was forced or promised a great deal of loot

@LegoSwordViedos

3 жыл бұрын

@@22fordfx49 they did it for a big reason lots of modern people do it, food, housing medical care, and regular pay decent compared to what most people were paid, it's only times like this, when it goes horribly wrong, but 90% it was fine doing a regular hard job then getting paid to go eat drink and sleep with some women

@thulegezelschap5884

3 жыл бұрын

Youbcan experience this in any major western city, after dark in certain neighbourhoods (provided youbare white)

@mattnorcia5593

2 жыл бұрын

Thule Gezelschap Lol true. I used to do this on the east side of Cleveland in a drunken drug fueled craze, not anymore, sober now, I’m also a former US Army soldier. Yeah you never know what your getting into when you join the military, it is a gamble. Some times it pays, sometimes it doesn’t . A little selfish on my part though since I was the only son in my family. I would have felt bad for my mother if I were killed but by the grace of God I wasn’t for some reason I don’t know.

Hard to feel bad for the invading Romans however their retreat from the battle might be one of the most horrifying, harrowing things I’ve ever heard.

@Ray-yv7kn

Жыл бұрын

1 year old comment but you're not supposed to "feel bad." This isn't some work of fiction. This is history and it exists to be learned from or at least known of.

@dougretter

Жыл бұрын

Someone is forgetting why they were there. Romans were notorious for inflicting unimaginable suffering on others while they were invading, conquering and enslaving most of the known world, for many hundreds of years. The Romans had a bad plan and they received the result of their mistakes; nothing they would not have done to their enemies. They were brutal invaders and whatever happened to them was nothing less than they would have done.

@keshav3479

Жыл бұрын

@@Ray-yv7kn What a strange way to view history. Looking at the past with zero empathy and nothing but a clinical examination of facts is just bizarre to me. So you're supposed to feel bad for characters in fiction but not for the real people who lived and died in these times?

@Ray-yv7kn

Жыл бұрын

@@keshav3479 Because then you'll get something like The Woman King.

@keshav3479

Жыл бұрын

@@Ray-yv7kn I've completely lost you there. Explain your train of thought?

"We'll cover his campaigns in another video" 😔 I need more

@WilliamLawrence7

3 жыл бұрын

For Real, I feel like the story of Germanicus is not told enough!

@huanquocmanh416

3 жыл бұрын

Watch dovanhatty

@flaviusbelisariusthebasedl3116

3 жыл бұрын

@@huanquocmanh416 or kings and generals

Last time I was this early, I still had my legions.

@leonardodavid2842

3 жыл бұрын

Where were your legions?

@velveteensallet949

3 жыл бұрын

Did you get them back?

@Captain_Titus3867

3 жыл бұрын

Hey boss we made it back sorry

@AH-yg8xb

3 жыл бұрын

Crasus???? AHhhhhhhhhhh

@odinsbeard0141

3 жыл бұрын

Well played @Gaius the Coward 👏🏻

It's truly amazing how close you are to a million subs now.. I remember when you were under 100k. Knew you'd continue to grow and educate.. I always look forward to your videos and wish you the best in the future. 🙏

I would watch a whole video just dedicated to different stories of Romans trying to survive the days following tuetonberg

@hiddenwoodsben

3 жыл бұрын

teutoburg, imbecil!

@beesonbandit6639

3 жыл бұрын

@@hiddenwoodsben hey man, that’s uncalled for

@hiddenwoodsben

3 жыл бұрын

@@beesonbandit6639 sry, not a native-speaker, it was supposed to be a joke. since it didnt land: apoligies, youre ofc not an imbecil.

@beesonbandit6639

3 жыл бұрын

@@hiddenwoodsben it’s okay, I still love u man

@hiddenwoodsben

3 жыл бұрын

@@beesonbandit6639 we might be random internet-strangers to each other, but your reply still relieves me greatly🤣

Imagine being the Barbarians who moved into the area after the massacre unknowingly and the Roman's show up for revenge.

@jhwheuer

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t expect there to be unknowing neighbors.

@shesaknitter

3 жыл бұрын

I'll bet that by the time the Romans returned, every single one of the locals knew the story. I mean, they must have been very proud of their ability to wipe out the famous Roman badasses who never lost a battle!

@dantecaputo2629

3 жыл бұрын

@@shesaknitter The Romans had lost battles before, and they had lost them worse. Rome’s big strength wasn’t that they were invincible on the battlefield (though they were really good) it was that they had this incredible ability to absorb even the largest defeats and keep going. A battle like Cannae would have absolutely destroyed any other civilization, and yet the Romans were able to regroup, recover, and prepare for round 2. Essentially, in order to win against the Romans you had to defeat them in every single battle. They just had to beat you once, and you were done.

@Guiscardo777

3 жыл бұрын

@@dantecaputo2629 Rome was like Godzilla.. actually

@OljeiKhan

3 жыл бұрын

@@dantecaputo2629 i get your point and it is correct in hindsight with all the knowledge we have , but the average German probably wouldn't know of many Roman defeats. In their eyes the legions were probably legendary , capable of building forts in a day and equipped with the best gear their time had to offer. Hearing tales of 3 legions being slaughtered almost to the last man would have been a great morale boost for them.

Great job. Very informative. I’m a huge history buff. In 2004, while on holiday in Belgium, I was able to visit Bastogne. A guide took us into the Ardenne forest and I found a few artifacts lying on the ground. Coat buttons from a German soldier, a bayonet from a US soldier, several coins and empty shell casings.

THE ARTWORK THROUGHOUT THIS FEATURE IS OUTSTANDING AND PULLS YOU INTO THE STORYLINE.

Thanks to everyone for recommending we cover this topic! Based on the feedback we certainly plan to do more episodes like this. For now I'd recommend you check out our video on Roman Scouting practices which can shed some light on the failure that was the Ambush at the Teutoburg Forest: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4V9tpKvgJjWcso.html

@tfs203

3 жыл бұрын

Is the forest at the beginning of Rammsteins video for "Deutchland"?

@JTL1776

3 жыл бұрын

@Invicta will you be finishing What if Julius Caesar Was Not Assassinated?.

@WilliamLawrence7

3 жыл бұрын

I love that video, as well as your videos on logistics. I've got a whole section on my discord devoted to historical videos and content, and today's videos are yours from your supply/logistics playlist. Great stuff, and thank you, by the way, I actually got to use the quote, "Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics" and explain it.

@augusto6993

3 жыл бұрын

Dude continue your what if cesar survived videos

@hasurungannaibaho9934

3 жыл бұрын

Lllllllppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

You guys are probably one of the top history channels on KZread. Keep up the good work. Senatus Popolusque Romanus!

The site of the battle was discovered by Capt Clun, British Army who was stationed in Germany in the 1980's and spent his free time researching the battle and metal detecting. Up until Clun's discovery the whereabouts was unknown.... Enjoyed the video.. Many thanks.

Thank you for covering this topic. Even since reading about how the tribes sacrificed captured Romans and placing their bodies in bogs, I've been equally horrified and fascinated.

I live near the site of the battle at a place called Hunterburg. The man who discovered the site was a British army Major who I knew personally. I have visited the battle site and museum a few times. The point I want to make is that the mask worn by a Roman rider was found under part of a collapsed earthen wall that the Germans had built as part of their trap/ambush. The only reason it was not looted and taken to some German village was because the earth wall collapsed and buried it. That part of the battle was at or near "Kalkriese" (Chalk Giant) a part of the Wiehengebirge.

@c.norbertneumann4986

3 жыл бұрын

In the year 9 AD, I think, one can't speak of "Germans" yet. The inhabitants of the area were then different Germanic tribes who had nothing in common but their hatred against the Romans, and maybe similar dialects and religious beliefs.

@thomasdemay9805

3 жыл бұрын

@@c.norbertneumann4986 the romans called the area and tribes germania so i dont get your point.

@c.norbertneumann4986

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasdemay9805 The Romans did not call the inhabitants of the area "Germans". This is the modern English term for the inhabitants of a central European state that did not exist in Varus' time. Are you aware of the difference between "German" and "Germanic"? (You wouldn't call the Britannic tribes or the Saxons of the year 9 AD "English" either, because the English didn't exist yet at that time. Nor were the ancient Romans "Italians".)

@thomasdemay9805

3 жыл бұрын

@@c.norbertneumann4986 what are you talking about? I just watched a video that mentioned a guy named "Germanicus"

@c.norbertneumann4986

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasdemay9805 You talked of "Germans" who simply did not exist at the time of the Teutoburg Forest battle. You have no understanding of history.

These videos are so well scripted, animated and drawn. This channel continues to amaze me every video again!

@WilliamLawrence7

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously! Invicta is one of my favorites.

Heads were nailed to the trees , bones were scattered because wolf's , bears and boars were abundant , not because of some sort of trophy, or sacrificial ritual . Roman weapons and armor was prized . 3 legions worth of weapons is quite a cache. Trade goods to exchange with other Germanic tribes.

Winners write History. The Germans: "hold my illiteracy!"

@originaluddite

3 жыл бұрын

My variation on this is that winners might write the secondary texts but everyone writes the primary sources (including what can be discovered via archaeology).

@boahkeinbockmehr

3 жыл бұрын

Well i mean we do have a saga song that is by some modern scholars believed to be originaly based on these events: "Siegfried Sage" in the song of the Nibelungen, where the dragon represents the marching column of the roman legions (or Sigurd saga if you go up north to our northern kin)

@garmit61

3 жыл бұрын

They weren’t actually Germans. Germany didn’t exist until the 1871.

@boahkeinbockmehr

3 жыл бұрын

@@garmit61 please look up what the son of Charlemagne called himself when he became regent of the east Frankish empire (little hint: the German (in German)) the nationality "German" is a rather new thing, the ethnicity and self definition as one however is at least one millenia old, though probably even older than that as the term "Welsch" being used to differentiate people belonging to other ethnicities by all Germanic people (the swedes call some suomi welsh, the swiss the latin speaking retro romans, the Germans the Italians and later also the French, the Angle Saxons the romanizes Britons that took refuge in the hilllands etc.) In terms of nationality i fully agree with you but not in terms of ethnicity (e.g. in bohemia there was also a distinction being made between germans and czeck inhabitants, despite them often living side by side in the same settlement, and the HRE was not for no reason eventually known as "the holy roman empire of german nation" long before there was any notion of the concept of nations. Just like the crusader order from German lands was named "the german knights order" and its member known as "german-lord knights". The need for the creation for this order due to the other mostly french knight orders denying german knights access to their hospitals and other institutions also is a hint at them being regarded by outsiders as a different ethnicity

@AbuHajarAlBugatti

3 жыл бұрын

@@garmit61 dont talk crap about our history. We called ourselves Deutsch 3000 Ears ago and call ourselves Deutsch today. Tribal differences dont matter

Clicking on the vids of this channel has never let me down. Even the ones that cover topics I know alot about are laid out beautifully, and often reveal angles I have never thought of. Ty Invicta

The Aftermath of Teutoburg Forest was brutal and you can feel sorry for the captured soldiers. But then again, Romans crucified 6,000 of the captured and defeated Spartacus' followers along the 200 km Appian Way, just to frighten other slaves from revolting. Image going down the Appian Way and seeing right and left 6000 tortured men in agony, crying, moaning, and nearly suffocating. This picture filled me with horror and sent shivers down my spine. It made the Aftermath of the Teutoburg Forest looking nearly tame.

@Cumulo9

3 жыл бұрын

6000 is small pancake. a mongol army on their war path would do that every other day. remember cities like Merv, Nishapur, Samarkand, literally 6 to 7 figure of population EACH were slaughtered. The son of Genghis Khan sat on a throne and just watched hundreds of thousands of civilians distributed among his soldiers and slaughtered, outside the city walls of Merv.

@LintonHerbert

3 жыл бұрын

True. The Romans weren't the only ones who would make any decent person want to puke.

Not sure why this was so shocking to Rome? They invaded Germania, subjugated the Germanic tribes, stole their ch¡ldren and ensl@ved their people for years but this attack "shocked" the emperor? I think what shocked him was that they had the capability to pull this off.

can't wait for part 2. thank you for your great work

It's silly to imagine that looting would have waited till after some other thing had been done. It probably started during the battle itself. Just as haphazardly as the treatment of corpses.

@calebr908

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly it started immediatly

@effeojnedib7208

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. That was the first thing I thought. Maybe they came back for the big, heavy things.

@crankyscoper6832

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think they would have been able to do so due to romans trying to kill them.

@RinoGato

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely disputable. I'm sure there was some looting if an area was pretty much cleaned of living romans, but I suppose we'll never know. But I imagine that when the romans fled into their forts for the evening/night, the tribes came back to start looting in the areas they had slaughtered most of the romans, making sure there are no survivors as was already mentioned by Invicta.

So are we ever getting part 3 of 'What if Caesar lived' I want to see if he could have invaded Parthia

@psycdan

3 жыл бұрын

If you're interested in what could have happened if ceasar survived his assassination take a look at the caesar ascending book series on amazon. The series of books which these are expanded from are also worth reading if you like roman military fiction.

@patricianoftheplebs6015

3 жыл бұрын

He did invade Parthia he hasn’t returned yet.

@Armorius2199

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, when is it coming out #CAESARLIVES #ROMAINVICTA #SPQR

@patricianoftheplebs6015

3 жыл бұрын

@@Armorius2199 *makes plebeian noises*

@greenkoopa

3 жыл бұрын

If he could have?...Caesar?...yeah if he was alive to do it, he would've done it. Especially if he was the one that wrote about it 🐢 #greenkoopa

I love that you guys do these videos with this amazing art and story telling. Not to mention the absolute range you guys have. I found y'all because of a stormlight video hahaha

I don't think that you would here the chirping of birds once the battle sounds died as much as it would have been the gleeful calls of ravens and crows announcing the banquet laid out before them . Subscribed .

Damn this is an awesome video. Never gave thought to the immediate aftermath of the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, very cool! Production quality is great too

What an absolute legend soldier for hiding that third eagle!

@Kruppt808

3 жыл бұрын

@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 entrusting your scouting to a hostage of a former enemy while campaigning in that persons homeland? you'd have to be the masters of the known world to be that arrogant......

@pythoncoder2000

3 жыл бұрын

@Igor Miele I don't think there's a "dishonorable" way to win when your land is being invaded by a vastly technologically and organizationally superior empire

@Kruppt808

3 жыл бұрын

@Igor Miele and Arminius never forgot his true homeland and countrymen. He fooled the arrogant Romans, plotted against them, united the fractious Germanic Tribes, ambushed and trapped 3 Legions deep in the dark forest far from home and destroyed them. Game Set Match

@newpinglegend9304

3 жыл бұрын

@Igor Miele They would have been far less likely to win. That's the Roman element. The blueprint for winning was for the Germans to take the Romans out of their element and put them into their own. It was very much a terrain decision. I'm not sure staging a battle to be on favorable terrain for your side, would have been considered dishonorable. Arminius was well aware what could happen if the Romans could operate in formations. That's exactly what he intended to take away.

@____-ju6mx

3 жыл бұрын

@Igor Miele there is no ''honor'' in war. either you win by any means necessary or you perish

brilliant delivery, it all comes 2gether, the artwork, graphics, narration and research, just fantas!

I've been fascinated by history my entire life and this video was extremely well presented. I subbed and look forward to more of your amazing content

Wasn't it Augustus who would go through his palace crying Varus bring back my legions

@amsuther

3 жыл бұрын

and those three named legions would never be reformed ...

@johnldowning641

2 жыл бұрын

I think it could have been Cladius?

@johnldowning641

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sorry it is Augustus matey 👍

This is so beautifully done. Very interesting to watch, and the artwork is absolutely incredible.

Invicta, I love your films and I find them better than any documentary's I see on TV. I would like to humbly make a suggestion for your channel. The Iceni Rebellion, before, during and it's aftermath. Keep up the good work

A good video. I particularly liked the animations, paintings and maps which were done to a very professional standard.

Last time i was this early, "last time i was this early" jokes were still funny

@aBerlin1945

3 жыл бұрын

Your clever twist has given new fun to an old meme. Thank you for that.

@bravomike4734

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, agreeable to what the commenteer above me hath said.

Holy smokes you guys are getting slick at making these. Amazing format, and as always very well narrated 👍

When you go for a picnic in the woods and the trees start singing 'Feuer Frei'

Thanks for this highly interesting video; was always interested in the following after the battle. Compliments!

I knew the story, but your telling of it really brought it to life.

Last Time I was this early, Constantinopole was a beautiful Roman Capital.

@lucasabdielsampaio3556

3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy, that's the best comment my imperial eyes had ever seen.

@danielchequer5842

3 жыл бұрын

Last time I was this early, Drusus was still in charge of pacifying Germania

@eodyn7

3 жыл бұрын

MAKE ISTANBUL CONSTANTINOPLE AGAIN

Coming from Sunderland in the N.E. of England, close to Hadrian's Wall, I grew up with a fascination of the Romans and their time in England. This was compounded when - in my 30s - I moved to Colchester in Essex, England... the oldest recorded town in England and filled with Roman history. The Roman gated entrance still stands there, and you can see the cart-worn cobbles on the ground. Of course, there is also the famous story of Boudica's revolt against the Roman army... fascinating. And now - in my late 60s - I sit on the balcony of my house here on a small tropical island in the Gulf of Thailand and continue to be fascinated by Roman history and your work in sharing stories almost 2,000 years old😊 Wonderful! Thank you for sharing your passion and hard work mate... highly appreciated and utterly captivating ... now subscribed of course 😊👍😎

I really enjoyed this video. The artwork is amazing.

The art as always is just so beautiful.

this was a great video. Thank you for all your work.

This is the stuff of good movies! Imagine depicting one of the Roman survivors trying to flee the battle to make it back to his own lines in the dark, hostile forrest, surrounded by wolves and being stalked by German warriors. That would be something to watch!

Absolutely love the way your mind is forced to imagine details or individuals by recounts like this. Imagine squatting behind a half buried, mossy treetrunk, listening to the crash of soldiers hunting for you. Screams as they find your mates. Pressing your face against the bark trying to breathe quietly...

This is so fitting since I've just finished watching the show Barbarians. Very nicely done, as always a pleasure to watch!

One of the best artworks I've ever seen in any history videos. Top notch!

I love your content. Animated histories are the best. Subscribed.

Maaaaan if history was explained this well including this fantastic animation or art, it would attract so much attention to people. :D

This was great! Subscriber opinion as per your request- really enjoyed this topic/ lesser known aspects concerning that which follows conflicts, battles, and warfare. Covering seldom mentioned matter's is absolutely fascinating to me considering how long I've wondered about such things and how unsaturated these topics are. I highly recommend you continue down this path shedding light on the less illuminated aspects. Thank you for the quality content.

@InvictaHistory

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I'd say our "How They Did It" series on daily life in the past is one of those.

LOL I'm a new subscriber and I really find your Channel very interesting very well put together I think I'm going to enjoy very much seeing at your other videos that you put out. God bless

First video I seen of yours. Truly amazing video. Instant sub.

Awesome video! I'd love to see more battle aftermaths

This was amazing. Your honesty regarding sources is refreshing, not enough channels discuss this as well as you did. As you said at the beginning, most histories do not devote any time to the immediate aftermath for those affected by the events.

Thank you for posting this. I am very proud of my German ancestry and my mother has always told me that my heavy instinct to fight instead of flight is due to who my ancestors were. So thxs for shining some more light on to this history. No matter how cruel they seem, they were protecting their homelands and their families from the Romans and there is huge honor in that.

@lcpeterbilt379

Жыл бұрын

i commented on him referring to this as a tragedy , the Romans themselves done worse through out their campaigns. This is one where the took the Loss and bore the consequences.

@ytsux9259

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for starting WWII and killing tens of millions. 🤦🥴

Yes, please make more of these aftermath videos.

The art is just so beautiful

"Ooohh, the Germans are mad at us! Whatever you do, don't piss off the Germans!!!" -- Homer Simpson, Famous Non-Roman.

@jasonl8326

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that was none other than Monty Burns who dared mock the Germans after getting his power plant back.

@prophet1020

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonl8326 I thought it was Burns! Thanks.

@jasonl8326

3 жыл бұрын

@@prophet1020 👍

@walther2492

3 жыл бұрын

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@To.Si.Ma.

2 жыл бұрын

What empires crumbled after messing with Ze Germans? The Roman Empire The Hun The Ottoman Empire The Austrian Empire The French Colonial Empire The English Colonial Empire Even if Ze Germans don t win a war they win in a long run.

Impressive Artworks upon this Historic Video. Well done, you're class.

Excellent job on this. I hope to find the next.

Great video as always, and speaking about aftermaths - Cannae would make an superb video, with the survivors being regrouped into the so-called legiones Cannenses and all. I think Livy has some of his most brutal descriptions with the mopping-up action besides the Aufidius. Definitely hyped.

@jasondelrosario5523

2 жыл бұрын

LOL! HANNIBAL BARCA OWNED ROME ON AN EPIC SCALE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

@adriennekulcsar7734

Жыл бұрын

@@jasondelrosario5523 Hannibal ended his own life by suicide with poison after Scipio kicked his ass at Zama....and 70 years Carthage was wiped off the face of the Earth and it's people sold into slavery...WHO OWNED WHO?

Beautiful artwork from your art team, as well as beautiful animations. The image of the survivor pointing out battle sites was especially evocative. It almost looked as though the man might have lost part of his arm and hand in the battle or slavery. His arm is covered by a cloak or scarf, so it's open to interpretation.

Thank you for your work!

I believe this is what the series “Barbarians” is about. Highly recommend. I didn’t know it had a historical basis until now!

@Wuestenkarsten

3 жыл бұрын

Wow...not interested in History?? History is much more better to learn from than anything else....because it´s repeating all the Time....only different Flags, Names,Areas.....but the System/Procedure is nearly every Time the same.

@honkytonk4465

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wuestenkarsten much more better???

@cabeladkins145

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wuestenkarsten what? I'm obviously interested in history, otherwise I wouldn't be watching this. Maybe this comment was for someone else

Please do more aftermaths. This is honestly helpful for me personally as a writer. And I think I can safely say other find this insight quite unique to learn

@InvictaHistory

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful. If you are looking to better ground your writing I'd also recommended our "How they did it" series on daily life in the past

A 2000 year old tragedy? It was a glorious victory for the German tribes and a defeat for the Romans.

@jackparker8602

3 жыл бұрын

Matter of perspective

@Wuestenkarsten

3 жыл бұрын

GLORIOS VICTORY!!!! The Reason we still like BEER instead of Wine Crab!!.......;-)

@cmdrfrosty3985

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wuestenkarsten horrid loss for civilized people who don't like drinking piss flavored drink

@DolcheGuevara

2 жыл бұрын

BRAVO

@Wuestenkarsten

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmdrfrosty3985 Then you Dink no Beer but US Rubbish I guess.....;-) Wine is still crab.....LONG LIVE THE HOPFENMALZGETRÄNK!!!

Yes please. More videos of aftermath of battles.

The archaeological museum on the site is spectacular.

Students of the Varus disaster owe a huge debt of gratitude to retired British Army officer Tony Clunn who discovered the battle site.

@roberth5767

3 жыл бұрын

He did quite well for a weekend metal detector!

@HighlanderNorth1

3 жыл бұрын

✔️ I've always dreamt about discovering the remnants from the historical battles involving the Romans, as well as WW1 and WW2. Of course history teaches us that some battles were fought in forests, like ^this one. Others were fought on great, open plains, as in WW2. So I went to work, searching throughout the great plains of Nebraska and Iowa, and the dense forests of Maine, but I've found nothing as of yet....... What am I doing wrong!? 🤔

@graceamerican3558

3 жыл бұрын

@@HighlanderNorth1 lol Thank you.

@christian_traxler

2 жыл бұрын

@@HighlanderNorth1 Nothing! You move your body and get some fresh air. That's the real treasure.

@HighlanderNorth1

2 жыл бұрын

@@christian_traxler ☑️ Ahh, so I'm "rich in health", despite my fruitless searches??

Another great video! Very well put together!

@HRTWARRIOR

3 жыл бұрын

It was uploaded 10 mind ago. You are here in 7

@HistoryJunkie

3 жыл бұрын

@@HRTWARRIOR make sure you have the bell on

Where has this channel been all my life!!

Thank you for this, Quite Amazing. MORE PLEASE 🤠🖖

I would love to see an Aftermath of some more famous WW1 battles, like Verdun, Ypres, and Isonzo. Places that were fought over in multiyear battles of attrition.

@jasperzanovich2504

3 жыл бұрын

The most obvious aftermath is that to this day bombs kill innocent people in that region. Or at least endanger, they have become really good at checking for bombs in those places.

@bliecoug1029

Жыл бұрын

Isonzo was pretty much when terrain makes it easier for your enemy

Man, can you imagine what it must've felt like as the victor to just demolish the romans like that? The yells of battle giving way to stillness, and you realize you survived. You'd won. I bet it was quite pleasant.

@hiddenwoodsben

3 жыл бұрын

i bet for many it was a time spiritual unrest, given both the magnitude of the deed itself and the "proof" that the "gods" were with them. i bet 90% of the arms and armour plundered ended up in the bogs around teutoburg.

@hiddenwoodsben

3 жыл бұрын

@George Lynch Dixon i think it's a mix of a) different times and culture b) peer pressure and c) hatred. think about it:for 300 years germanic people had been stolen andd enslaved by romans and the tenkterer, brukterer and cherusker knew that. and those very romans marching through *their* turf had every intent to keep that up. we probably just cant imagine what they felt.

@codymarkley8372

3 жыл бұрын

@George Lynch Dixon group think, hatred, and the nature of battle then, as well as common duties probably made it easier than the modern among us can imagine. People back then had to hack up animals, their religious services often involved animal sacrifice, sometimes human. Culture was far more brutal, and they didn't have psychologists to say " hey that's wrong," or someone to say "I am offended,"

@cmdrfrosty3985

2 жыл бұрын

@@hiddenwoodsben you could argue the Romans had the same view because they just kept crossing the Rhine and raiding Gaul.

@gotzvonberlichingen8210

2 жыл бұрын

@@hiddenwoodsben Arms, armor and heads of the defeated ended up in the Holy-Oak at the Sacred-Forest.

Great video ,i just found this channel. Awesome 🤙

I really didn't expect to learn much--most videos on the subject say much the same things, but I learned plenty from this.

Between the art.. Well timed and picked music.. Narration.. All these combine to these videos that keep getting better and better

Second video where I have had to say this: Your videos are amazing, though it helps to have subtitles for these videos especially since KZread removed the Community Captions feature. I could even make subtitles during my free time for these videos if you'd like - just please find a way to implement these and make your already wonderful videos better.

@otfriedschellhas3581

Жыл бұрын

Strange to notice sympathies fir Romans: they were the invaders, arrogant and oppressive, just nite how they mistreated vanquished enemies in Carthage, Gaul, Britania and Judea. Arminius wasn't a traitor of Rome but, a loyal German of the Cherusci tribe who outsmarted the devious Roman's and succeeded where Hannibal, Vercingetorix and Boadecia failed.

Nicely done video, felt care was taken

As a descendant of ancient Germania....the story of the battle or Teutoburg forest always makes me smile. Some of the "Career Corruptionists" in power today need a lesson like that.

wel im sorry too say this as mutch as i love rome ect have too say as Daniel Sass says Interesting how slaughtering 20,000 roman soldiers is called a horrific betrayal but slaughtering 1 million gaul civilians is only remembered in terms of Cesar's glorious conquest

@amisteryfella

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I would say that as much as it is helpful to see the contradiction, it is also clear that the entire video focuses on the roman perspective. Moreover for some historian to say that "we" remember something as a collective is pretty darn stupid, and just something that informs me on how he feels about this gruesome battle. You can win a war as much as you can win an hurricane.

@DolcheGuevara

2 жыл бұрын

BRAVO

@Mugdorna

2 жыл бұрын

Vae victus

Peter S. Wells was involved in the archaeological investigation of this battle site and his fascinating book, 'The Battle that Stopped Rome' presents some of the grimmer discoveries including descriptions of the bodies of sacrificial victims. Those killed in battle or the immediate aftermath slaughter were indeed the lucky ones.

@AceTheCapo823

2 жыл бұрын

Damn…what happened to the victims? Like how were they sacrificed?

Excellent vid sir. Thank you

In the second book of "The Eagles of Rome series " series by Ben Kane ( which is the best book series ever ), he describes the return of the roman legion to the teutoburger forest in great detail. I recommend reading it 200 %

I just want to say I’ve been watching your videos from nearly the beginning. They are exceptionally done, and this channel is a true gem on KZread. I can tell through your narration that you truly care for the material and have an emotional connection to it, and that enables us to do so as well. Keep doing what you’re doing!

AWE-SOME! LIKED AND SUBSCRIBED! THANKS!

This is why I love archeologists. They find a dirty bell and make up a whole entire story about it

This is fantastic. Please do more of these.

There is one key learning point to be gleaned from this, which is supported by two major stories from Roman times... If you want to beat a Roman Legion, do not face them in the field. A legion on open ground was all but unbeatable ... except, maybe, by a bigger legion. The Teuteburg Forest battle, and the legend of what is supposed to have happened to the Ninth Legion when they went North in Brittania, shows how the tribes beat the technologically superior Romans by hitting them when they were strung out in marching array in a forest.