Conventional feels better and easier on sumo i can use me belt without feeling death creeping before i even lift the bar but also after i perform sumo im 2 seconds from passing out other than conventional so i guess im gonna stick with barbell curls in the squat rack

@standardgood5621

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfaoo

@Nole2701

5 ай бұрын

I have the opposite experience.

Thank you so much for this video, I have had several issues with my conventional deadlift and been thinking about switching to sumo.. just the right timing and informative as always, thank you 🙏🏻

As always, great videos. Great lifting info, clear passion for lifting and life. Good videographer, too! Deserves more subscribers!

Being easier on lower back Is good enough reason to pull Sumo than conventional?

@snorlaxcom

4 жыл бұрын

or fix you technique if your lower back is thrashed

@robinw4354

4 жыл бұрын

snorlaxcom nah, I agree with comment on lower back. In my opinion if you can pull sumo and have a easier time on the Lowe back, it’s enough of a reason to keep pulling sumo, and progress on that. Was a big sign for me to switch over and mainly do sumo

@snorlaxcom

4 жыл бұрын

If your hips are aggravated from sumo then you ditch deadlifting entirely? Work on honing technique first before jumping ship.

@scottwilson4798

4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s misguided blaming conventional for being tougher on the lower back - I pull conventional and first time pulling sumo my low back was in spasm. Your low back feeling “thrashed” is usually down to volume and/or intensity that was too high for what you’re prepared to do and recover from.

@snorlaxcom

4 жыл бұрын

@@scottwilson4798 word. people like going full ham on it and have a less than optimal hinge pattern on top of sub programming

After doing Conventional deadlifts for a good while I recently tried out Sumo just to see and it just "felt" fantastic. I have now switched over to Sumo because although I don't know anything about the theories of biomechanics, my body was telling me this was the way to go.

@MatthewSchrage

4 жыл бұрын

Same bro, it just immediately felt better for me

@moustaphabalde7581

4 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewSchrage me as well, as soon as i lifted sumo my conventional max felt like i could throw 20 more lbs on

@y.wirasmoyo

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I concern more of quads and glutes in leg day. Because I do upper body on next day. Afteral 40yo made me hard to do conventional bent over

excited for you to come to desert barbell, will attend the workshop for sure

Switched to sumo about 4 months ago, just feels much more natural. Any tips on breaking off the floor? I know this is the sticking point. I'm actually following CB 16 week program with my next comp end of January so I'm doing paused sumos. Any cues beyond push the floor away? Cheers, great content as always

Sumo for me.I am 193cm tall, with long legs.Very uncomfortable during starting position in conventional dl.I can pull conventional only when it's from the blocks.So I just started using Romanian deadlifts.Also sumo is the best variation for me. I have also trap bar in the gym, so I will see how that feels.

I tried sumo after being a strict conventional puller and i pulled 10kg over my pr the first time i ever pulled sumo. It doesnt feel as natural the conventional, would paused sumo help make it more comfortable?

I just tried sumo and my right hand (overhand) was rubbing my right quad like crazy. Is there any way around this or is this a suck-it-up situation?

What are accessory exercises for sumo? For example, SLDL uses conventional stand, is there something similar for sumo? Thanks

I have a question Bryce if you see this. If you pull sumo mostly and have peaked it, then in a 3-4 month hypertrophy block would you pull mainly Conventional? I pulled conventional initially when i started to lift, it got to 550 range I then switched to sumo. After 18 months its in the 605-625 range after my last peaking block.

I noticed that in your video on your conventional dead lift your back was rounded... is this something that will just happen with conventional dead lifts when you go heavy? im tired of trying to fight it when I lift heavy and feeling like it's wrong

I think honestly Think you can find a way to do both, I personally always felt sumo more comfortable. I did hear that if you have trouble conventional and would like to work it in to start sumo and keep bringing your legs in To a hybrid sumo as you get more comfortable with form until your at a conventional lift. Don’t know if it works for myself by heard results from it. I’m kind of in the middle of experimenting but it’s a marathon not a sprint

Should your shins be vertical when trap bar deadlifting? This is for an athlete not a powerlifter just as a background

What about choosing the weights if I were to program them in separate blocks? I've done conventional since the beginning and I've only done sumo a number of times.

@scottwilson4798

4 жыл бұрын

jay shenhooi first time you do sumo again, ramp up to your working sets doing the same number of reps, making sensible jumps. Once you get the desired RPE or working weight for the day, that’s your baseline for next time

pull mostly conventional, probably 95% of the time. still managed to sumo pull the same as my conventional pr on a whim. last weeks deadlifts i really concentrated on wedging myself under the bar so i was in a better position to really drive into the floor instead of just try and pull my back up and it felt so good despite my current shoulder injury really causing me to stop trying to go up past 365. i think a massive part of what works best for someone is what they practice, especially with compound movements. if youve never deadlifted at all before id suggest really learning one of them first. either is fine tbh theyll both get you strong, and getting the movement pattern down before you start swapping back and forth is important.

I like to switch them from block to block. I've also found that training sumo has really helped me learn how to press off the ground properly and that has carried over and helps me when I decide to go back to conventional. also personally I just like to switch it up just to keep things interesting from block to block.

I have slowly stated trying to pull sumo but have experienced pain in my groin/adductors. Would you suggest that I just continue slowly or look more into if my stance/mobility is causing it? And thank you for another awesome video

@samwise1790

4 жыл бұрын

Since you're doing a new movement your body isn't used to you probably need to take it slow and also work on ROM stretches and exercises which strengthen those structures you weren't using before as much when you conventional

Can ANYBODY give a straight answer on how to figure out which variation is going to NOT injure you? Is EVERYTHING some version of "just jump in and hope for the best"?

Legendary content ❤❤❤🔥🔥🔥

I suck at conventional so I deadlift conventional all the time and when I'm going to Max out I train sumo for about a week! It trips people out when I add 100-150lbs on the bar all of a sudden lmao. Add on: learning to sit back, keep my knees back and really focus on my thoracic spine being tight really helps my conventional deadlift

@hungpham4615

4 жыл бұрын

My sumo is like 30% more than my conventional, mostly because i can feel more leg drive (or more quads engagement) and less lower back strain after workout. Any advide on what I should do? Should I switch to sumo or work more on conventional? I watch alot of FCF and try to correct my conventional setup by myself and i'd say it look ok. But it doesnt feel right for my back and very hard to focus on leg drive

@nickw6734

4 жыл бұрын

@@hungpham4615 big thing for me is keeping my lats engaged and shoulders retracted as much as possible, and I make sure my hips are back and my knees are level with my arms, not over or behind the bar. I can feel when my thoracic spine is tight. I do lots of Romanian deadlifts which build up the stretch reflex used in the deadlift, and on my last rep I usually take it to the floor as slow as possible and perform a good deadlift. I do rdls for 3x5/6/7/8 at around 50-60 percent mainly for speed and form.

Best guide for sumo? I can pr at 550lb for conventional but can barely do 315 for sumo before something in the back of my knee starts to tingle. 6'0, 180 lbs

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

Look around our channel - we have a “Definitive Guide to Sumo Deadlifting”

What about Jefferson

Generally what body types would be best for each type of lift?

@UltraSrbina

4 жыл бұрын

Sumo- long legs, short arms, stronger legs. Conv.- short legs, long arms, stronger lower back. It's not all black and white, but I hope you get the point.

Did you experience any muscular imbalance when you used alternate grip?

@mustafaabd.7014

4 жыл бұрын

Martin C you are bound to, one shoulder is always going to be higher than the other, check out Alan thrall video on this

@martinc4403

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaabd.7014 I actually thought it was just a joke. I'm experiencing that right now. I'm curious if there other people who also have this problem.

@mustafaabd.7014

4 жыл бұрын

Martin C it’s really not a joke, if you’re competing then stick to practicing your heavy/top singles with your strongest grip, but all rep work and variation should be done with double overhand/straps

@mustafaabd.7014

4 жыл бұрын

Martin C personally I just do hook grip, so I warm up with double overhand, and then once I get to heavy warm up stuff , I’ll hook grip, then once I get to working sets I’ll use straps.

@transmundanemusic

4 жыл бұрын

Imbalances will happen w mixed grip. Mixed grip is garbage. Hook grip is just a smarter method.

I don’t know which one is better for me,so I do them both.

Great video bryce !! Personally i perform better with sumo but still have Blocks from time to time where i do conventional As for future topics to cover In a video Maybe you could do a video on how to keep tightness in Your back when Bench pressing specifically when you are pressing the barbell back and Up for me atleast it seems really dificult sometimes as allways thank you for the great content !

@prarthakrai6

4 жыл бұрын

I second this video idea. ☝👌

my lower back hurts so much doing conventional even with correct form, sumo feels fine

i feel like i need to switch to sumo. a lotof conventional pullersjust muscleup the weight and i cant do that to save my life. also sumo way easier on lower back

How do you use straps 'properly'? Sumo feels weird and leg drive doesn't feel strong. I wonder how people pr with them.

@iamhimman

4 жыл бұрын

if ur saying u cant get air in to your abdominal wall as much. you can bring in air from the top and then set up but u would just have to set up the straps quicker. but i usually lift my hips up and take a breath and pull myself into position allowing me to be tight soooo pulling on the bar and letting it set your hips and start creating a pushing force as soon as u get into tightness

@mkl1464

4 жыл бұрын

For me its partially about the bracing, but I kinda worked it out. It's about the leg drive and pulling slack because straps don't really feel secure in my hands. Do you go thumbless or thumb over?

@iamhimman

4 жыл бұрын

@@mkl1464 I always use my thumb never thumbless but I'd suggest the pulling on the bar to set your hips. If you are pulling yourself into position with the straps leaning back from it u already start u pull slack from the bar. Your leg drive can be re Inforced in many ways some ppl lift their hips and drive back down I to position pushing the ground away and pulling back

@iamhimman

4 жыл бұрын

@@mkl1464 how I set up. I start on my knees get my straps on closer than my usual grip since obv the straps help then I set my feet. I then raise my hips to feel my hamstring and glute and I brace while pulling the bar almost into my hips and my hips kinda lower to the position and I drive my hips forward push with my heels and outer foot and pull back

@iamhimman

4 жыл бұрын

@@mkl1464 also u may need to try some different straps u may like some other styles better. But adding chalk with the straps help

I have insanely bad hip pain pulling conventional and i cant resch good form on it somehow.

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

It may or may not be your form. You may just need to spend more time with submaximal weights.

@defragsbin

4 жыл бұрын

If it's acute and immediately obvious during the session, don't push through it. Might be worth recording your lifts and posting them to Form Check Friday? :) I used to have this problem and it'd rear its head once I'd been training for a few months at a time. It it was because I was putting my shoulders too far over the bar & stiff-legging it a little too much. I felt strongest in that position because that's how I'd always done it, but it gradually increased the pain in one hip until I realised it was a genuine problem. In the end, I worked on glute activation before pulling, and the gym owner/coach cued me to sit back a little more, use more hamstrings/glutes and the problem disappeared. I had to go back to sub-maximal weights for a few months to dial it in, but it was worth it. YMMV.

Hip poping at the lock out????

injured myself today doing sumo :( month away from a competition... hurt my clavicle while doing sumo, it started snapping and cracking while i was doing my set. What can it be associated with? Weak upperback? Weak shoulders?

I tried to pull sumo once and my adductors hurt for days

@17mjankowski

4 жыл бұрын

The Wanderer Ive destroyed my hip flexor pullin sumo bedore

@baym73

4 жыл бұрын

I experienced the same thing as well. Is that normal when you first start doing sumo deadlifts?

@thewanderer8639

4 жыл бұрын

@@baym73 I guess it is 'cause we usually neglect those muscles

@jeffk4710

4 жыл бұрын

same my adductors, some tendon or something near by glute that runs down my hamstring, and hip joint are all fucked lol

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

It’s likely because you started too heavy or did too much. It’s a new movement and your body needs to acclimate to it over time.

I’d probably rather choose the convention

Choice for a deadlift bar? Tossing around the Texas Deadlift Bar and the Rogue Deadlift Bar. I've given sumo a chance. It just feels foreign to me. I guess 15 years of conventional pulling will do that.

@frodothehobo9938

4 жыл бұрын

I'm the same way but i use sumo as an assistance variation. To me it fills the same slot that a deficit or stiff leg or block pull could fill. A still high intensity but easier to recover from variation to build in volume

@ugougotbs

4 жыл бұрын

I have deadlifted conventional for 5 years straight. Then on my new training block (in which I used calgary 16 weeks program), I decided I wanted to give my conventional deadlift a break and strengthen any missed muscle, so I switched to sumo. At the first 5 weeks, I lamented how I am not going to improve in sumo and bla bla bla all those negative talks. Right now I am at week 7, I am slowly getting through sumo and feeling much more confident with it! I think it just takes time to learn a new movement, and having an optimistic mindset helps tremendously as well.

It was an easy choice for me deadlifted conventional for 3 years at best lifts were 150kg- 6 160kg -2 tried sumo after the 160 double and did 140kg - 10 in that same session so made the switch. Now I've sumo deadlifted 190kg - 1 paused Beltless 180kg-1 and very low block pull 200kg-5. But my question is after I reach my goal of 5 plates 220kg Sumo should I switch back to conventional to bring that up higher that 350lbs/160kg???

@EsordCZ

4 жыл бұрын

Neither is necessarily bad. What are your goals? To compete, strength, size, ...? Either way, if you enjoy sumo, you can have it as your "main" pull, and do conventional DLs as a supplementary exercise. Nothing wrong with that.

I make the two, but, i am much stronger in conventional.

i love deadlifting convention.

can barely get into convetional position then i use a belt and its almost impossible to get in it any ideas?

@defragsbin

4 жыл бұрын

move the belt higher up, or loosen it a bit

Conventional feels like pulling forever. Sumo kind of clicked right away.

Trained sumo for about 9 months... Just wasn’t for me.

What’s up bro!?!

@bmstylee

4 жыл бұрын

How we doing brofessor brotein?

I am stronger with sumo, but it's a hassle at my gym. Don't have bars that allow me to have a good double overhand grip. 😛

@UltraSrbina

4 жыл бұрын

Use hook grip or straps.

@CaptDantastic

4 жыл бұрын

@@UltraSrbina Yes, I could, but i want to avoid straps, and my hook grip sucks (stubby fingers).

@UltraSrbina

4 жыл бұрын

@@CaptDantastic Use gloves or chalk.

@CaptDantastic

4 жыл бұрын

@@UltraSrbina Well you see, there is no knurling where I grab the bar with sumo. Chalk won't help. What I want is a proper sumo bar, with the knurling inside. That way I can double overhand, without using gloves or straps.

I actually much prefer Convection

All I know Is when I do conventional I can't breath

simple 6 months sumo 6 months conventional!

I have long arms short torso long arms and my sumo is stronger

Geez Why can't you do both....

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

You absolutely can. But in the context of a competitive powerlifter, you’re going to want to excel in one stance and train it as a ‘competition movement’.

Weird, i was doing each one once a week with volume, and got to 500lb max on both

I used to do conventional deadlift and always found it uncomfortable to the point I’d never look forward to doing it, obviously this led to me struggling to put in the most effort. For about a year or so I’ve been doing sumo and it feels so much better.

Curls > conventional

Remember, deadlift injuries are forever! Be careful in shooting for the moon!

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

Please don’t remember that because it is incorrect, everyone!

@Hossak

4 жыл бұрын

@@calgarybarbell Thanks for the reply and apologies if you found it misleading. I am speaking from my own experience when I took some really crappy deadlift form way too far a decade ago. What I am trying to convey is that out of all the lifts, please don't wing it with deadlifts - aim for the best form, seek out advice before you get an injury, don't push it too far too fast unless you have a good coach or good advice - like you are supplying on this channel. I have seen so many people go for maximum deadlifts way too fast and end up getting a tweak or worse.

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think we should take personal experience as a general rule. N=1 isn’t very convincing. There’s plenty of research out there to show that lifting heavy is GOOD for you, so maybe we should load it up? Maybe technique matters less than load/stress management? Maybe your “lifetime” injury would get a bit better if you got stronger? Or weren’t dogmatically afraid of deadlifting?

@Hossak

4 жыл бұрын

@@calgarybarbell Again - thank you for the detailed reply and I am not for a minute advocating that heavy lifting is not good for you. I continue to push myself in all the lifts such as overhead press, squat etc and the benefits for my daily life are and continue to be exceptional - there is no need to convince me of that at all and again I am sorry if you interpreted my comment as advocating not to undertake lifting or heavy lifting as a lifetime thing. I will continue my training until I cannot do it anymore - hopefully I will make it to my 90's and still be going. I will be bringing back deadlifting into my training over the next few months to supplement everything else but it will be very mindful. I would just hate for someone else to have to go through what I got from bad form and to have it dissuade them from this path altogether.

@defragsbin

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hossak Been there, it's not fun. Back injuries can really mess with your enjoyment of life, so it's sensible to be cautious imo. I had to take nearly 3 years off deadlifts because of an injury. I couldn't push through it or do anything about it. I ended up in pain when doing things I'd taken for granted (running, sitting in certain positions etc.) It was only after an MRI & physio that the problem was sorted out, but a lot of people don't have access to those things. While it is incorrect to say that deadlift injuries are forever (as many people injure themselves and come back stronger), some injuries truly _are_ life-changing and I understand the sentiment -- I know plenty of people who've YOLOed it in the gym and ended up with a chronic injury, and deadlifting is definitely up there with the risk factor. I'm grateful for the second chance I got with my back, and I don't do anything to jeopardise it. While I still deadlift, every set is cautiously done and if anything hurts when it shouldn't, the session is over.

sumo doesnt count :^)

Sumo doesn’t count, hopefully that helps

@bmstylee

4 жыл бұрын

Uh oh. Shots fired.

@firmans12

4 жыл бұрын

So is hitching in conventional

@transmundanemusic

4 жыл бұрын

People like you should be banned from the internet

@bmstylee

4 жыл бұрын

@@firmans12 minor details.

@calgarybarbell

4 жыл бұрын

I dunno, last I checked my name is still up there on a lot of records. That’s enough “counts” for me.