Dead Air Nomad-LT vs. Sandman-S MIL-Contract on .300 BLK w/ 220gr Subsonics
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In this video I am testing the sound (Volume & Tone) differences of my Dead Air Sandman-S MIL-Contract suppressor with my brand new Dead Air Nomad-LT (all titanium) suppressor. I'm shooting it on my custom built 16" .300 Blackout using some of my handloaded 220gr. subsonic ammo. I'm not necessarily aiming to hit the gong @ 200 yards, but a few shots do. I also alternate some, on purpose, to hear the dirt impact vs. the gong plate sound so you can hear just how quiet they are. And YES, I left the last dry-fire in there on purpose so you can hear just how quiet the Nomad-LT actually is compared to a shot.
*** One BIG thing to note, is that (in person) the Sandman-S is noticeably louder than the Nomad-LT, so the microphone's volume does actually clip when the shots go off with the Sandman. And the Nomad-LT is so incredibly quiet, you really only hear the action cycling, and the port noise from the gun, so it does NOT cause the microphone to have sound-clipping. You can tell this by how the fan sounds in the background. The fan gets quieter and louder with the Sandman-S suppressor being shot, but you hear it at the same exact volume with the Nomad-LT. So in the video the Sandman-S might sound the same volume as the Nomad-LT, but that's only due to the microphone clipping when a shot goes off because it is noticeably louder than the Nomad-LT.
** My takeaways... **
I love both cans, and they both serve their own unique roll in my collection. With Subsonics in a .300 BLK, BOTH suppressors are amazingly quiet. When it comes to shooting groups, my .300 BLK AR actually prefers the Sandman-S... 🤷🏼 Maybe it's a weight/harmonics thing?. But on my precision and bolt-action rifles, the Nomad-LT seems to not affect the groups at all, but it is MUCH quieter than the Sandman-S.
As far as the "tone" of them... The heavier solid Stellite baffles and 17-4ph stainless steel tube of the Sandman-S gives it a VERY deep and chunky tone...It sounds great on the AR's in all calibers, both subs and supers. The Nomad-LT being solid titanium and very lightweight, has a slightly higher-pitched tone to it (titanium vs. stainless/stellite). It still has a great tone, and sounds amazing on bolt-actions because of how much of a DB reduction is provides. It's totally hearing-safe with supersonics. I can shoot it all day, and still not have it trigger my tinnitus.
And overall volume... The Sandman-S is extremely quiet for a 6.8" suppressor. And it's definitely hearing-safe with .300 BLK subsonics. But in DB reduction, the Nomad-LT wins, hands-down. It's the quietest suppressor I've ever shot, and one of the quietest I've heard to date...In person. I can't wait to hunt with it. But, if you are wanting to use it mostly on an AR platform, or semi-auto rifle, the all-stainless Nomad-30 or Nomad-L would be a much better fit, because they can handle some hard-use, and rapid firing schedules, whereas, the Nomad-Ti and Nomad-LT are not made for that. They are made for the precision shooter/hunter, where you shoot 5 shot groups (at most), and then let it completely cool down. It's just the nature of the titanium beast... For SBR's, 5.56 (under 14.5"), full-auto/rapid fire, and things like that...Stainless steel, Stellite, marraiging alloy, and Inconel are your go-to metals they will be your strongest suppressors with full-auto and SBR ratings.
In the future (Fall, Winter, Spring when it's not 90º-100º+ outside) I will get some open-air sound videos so it cuts down on the echo of being inside an enclosed area, and sounds more realistic to what you will hear outdoors and while hunting.
More to come in the future.
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** Disclaimer** This video was filmed at my local FFL/SOT machine gun range, which is a professional environment, and has a licensed full-time NRA-certified R.O. and an enclosed firing area. I am also licensed and professionally trained to handle firearms. All firearms safety precautions were utilized during the filming of this video. This video is for entertainment purposes only.
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Thoughts, opinions, and specs in the Description Box of all my videos, since I don't talk in them. I like to keep the video aspect of it all "business". 👍🏼
Great video. I'm about 6 weeks in on a Nomad LT for a 65 Grendel.
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. You will love it. It's stupid-quiet. I haven't shot mine on the 6.5 Grendel yet, but might do that this weekend...And get some footage, of course. I kind of like doing these Sandman vs. Nomad comparison videos. They're quick and easy to make, don't burn up a ton of ammo, and I always found this style of video to be more helpful when other folks did it like this. Just sound and video, not a bunch of jaw-jacking and BS sales pitches and hidden ads in between. 👍🏼 If you want a good written assessment comparing the 2, checkout the description box. Since I don't talk in my videos (I like to keep them "all business"), the description boxes are where I write all my detailed assessments about the equipment used, and overall impressions. 👍🏼
Nice vid, Im 5.5 months in to my wait period for my Sandman-s. Hopefully its approved soon. How long did you wait for your Sandmans?
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
The Sandman cans are still pending. My local range is my dealer, so I get to use them while waiting on my approvals. Hopefully I’ll get those stamps back before 2022. My Nomad-LT and Mask HD took 8 months and 1 day.
@jonathanm1854
2 жыл бұрын
I just got mine a few days ago. Ordered mid Feb 2021, check cashed early march, and got it back in 11 months.
Cool test but I can't hear any difference due to hardware limitations. Those two cans have almost exactly the opposite design purposes. Sandman S(or K) would be tough compact duty use, short barrel and select-fire, whereas Nomad LT is almost strictly for maximum sound suppression for slow fire long-barreled rifles.
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is correct. They are designed for completely different purposes. However, I thought it would be worth comparing just for fun. Yes, hardware limitations will prevent you from hearing any real discernible difference. I have found that if your vehicle has a good stereo with bluetooth, then you can listen to it in your car through the car's speakers, and get a very close representation of realistic sound differences when turned up. Headphones are not necessarily a must, but they are the best way... But there are other methods, like the car stereo method will get you close...And will be much better than a phone speaker or computer speakers.
@JohnZ556
2 жыл бұрын
@@TroyPosey Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I actually tried similar setups with Rattler and DDM4 PDW, and I found out while Nomad L dominates the sound deduction, Wolfman is actually performing very well and gives a much shorter(in short config) and lightweight package. Rattler w/ folded brace actually fits in a normal sized daily backpack compartment w/ wolfman + 30rds+ light+ an spare 30rds mag.
@createthiscom
Жыл бұрын
Agreed regarding hardware limitations. I've got a mil contract sandman-s and a nomad-l (not the titanium lt). The sound difference on a dd pdw with a silent captured spring is HUGE. 110 gr supersonic vor-tx is (IMO) hearing safe, though a little pitchy with the nomad-l, but definitely very uncomfortable with the sandman-s. With the sandman-s the noise seems to come mostly from the bolt, but with the nomad-l the bolt is quiet and the sonic boom is the only thing I hear. I can't wait to try them both on my 300 blackout bolt gun to compare. This video made me realize I should also try them both on my 5.56. I hadn't considered that use case yet. The nomad-l is heavy, but it's worth it for the sound reduction IMO. I'd like to get a nomad-lt for my bolt gun, but I think I'd have to either paint it or add a suppressor cover for hunting purposes and I wonder if the cover would negate any weight savings.
@JohnZ556
Жыл бұрын
@@createthiscom I have compared those two on 5.56. Nomad L works very well with bullpups like VHS-2 where it has suppressed gas sitting and balanced well. I got Corset cover for both, it's pretty light, like 0.25oz/inch, so for N-L it adds less than 2oz. Yes that's expensive, I went for the maximum durability and no metal accessory. I'd say that's a must if you have shorter rigs, don't want to burn the upper thigh for sure😏. Don't paint your can with normal paint if you can. It gets nasty fast.
@JohnZ556
Жыл бұрын
@@createthiscom I wouldn't bother with the Ti unless you go miles off road to just take one or two shots. If you do, I would focus on the overall loadout for weight before spending another 1.3k for just a few oz.
just a sugestion, if you guys are going to do a sound test , its best for viewers that you have decibel numbers to compare. cus the sound/audio limitations doesnt do much...
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
Then you go out and buy the 10’s of thousands of dollars of expensive equipment that you want to see used, and make your own videos. 👍🏼
What gas length are you using? I have a 16 inch with carbine.
@TroyPosey
Жыл бұрын
It’s carbine-length gas system.
Hi there, could you tell me the twist rate on that barrel? Thanks.
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
It's a 1:8.5" twist. It's an older barrel. I built the rifle about 7 years ago, when .300 BLK first came around the mainstream market. Back then the standard was much different than what it is today. But it still shoots the 220 subs pretty well for what it is.
Nice video! What upper and handguard is that? Very nice!
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
Custom built upper. Rainier Arms Force 15” handguard (No longer made).
I'm interested in the specs on your shoot house
@TroyPosey
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure, It’s at the range I go to. About 20x20 with a raised floor on the back-half, the front is open floor space, but still enclosed and covered and insulated for sound-deadening, because they have a machine gun range next door, and that Ma Deuce gets kinda loud. It’s setup for shooting at a gradual downward angle.