I love these videos. Hard to find people who want to go into the details like you. Trying to learn as much as possible before mine is delivered in June!

@kyliefan7

2 жыл бұрын

PLEASE make sure you install a level 2 EVSE in your garage during this time!! It was the best thing I did and reduced any anxiety I may have had! Cost was about $1,000!

@Funktimusprime1

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyliefan7 I will! We have a $750 rebate for EV chargers where I live.

@kyliefan7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Funktimusprime1 I have a anel x Juice box and It’s reliable!

@rebekamacdonald9560

2 жыл бұрын

Nu5’t$(5755

This is so much more useful information than some other channel that seems to only be considered about the size of the frunk! Thank you from Colorado Springs.

I'm picking up my EV6 600 miles away from me and driving it home at the end of the month, so every one of your recent Ioniq 5 charging and range videos have been very helpful!

@lanceareadbhar

2 жыл бұрын

Assuming you are driving in near freezing temperatures or up elevation. I suggest you charge at the nearest fast charger when under 30% as the range can dip rather quickly and you don't want to ever hear the car say that you won't make it to the next fast charger. I still made it, because I knew the route was mostly downhill, but was still nervous that I was the one that was wrong.

@rzu7120

2 жыл бұрын

If you haven't already, set up your EA and EvGo accounts ahead of time.

@Dive-Bar-Casanova

2 жыл бұрын

@@rzu7120 : Do they handshake through the plug-in like Tesla or do you still need to punch in data each charging stop in spite of having an account?

@rzu7120

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dive-Bar-Casanova Make sure you're logged into the app, tben open the app and pick the charger you want. Usually then plug in and swipe app. Some people swipe and then plug in. Typically handshake for me has taken around 30 seconds.

@kyliefan7

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I’m not you! But good luck and congratulations!

Love the dedication and in-depth analysis. One of the best EV channels! Keep up the great work

I don't remember whose video it was, probably Bjorn, but he had an OBD scanner plugged in and the diference between the coldest and hottest cell was enormous, so you have a really small window between the coldest cell being hot enough for the whole pack to accept full charge rate and the hottest cell being cool enough for it to not thermal throttle. Will be interesting to see degradation in a few years, since its really bad for a pack to have such delta between cells

@samusaran7317

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like some evs will be throwaway vehicles like the early gen leaf. Ive read that battery used is not good for many cycles but I could be wrong.

@AlexanderPavel

Жыл бұрын

@@samusaran7317 The early gen leafs were the only EVs I've seen with truly bad capacity drop problems. Most EVs are now offering 8 years (10 years in CA) and 100,000mi warranty for the battery. In practice they should last much longer. In 2017 there was an article about a driver who used a Tesla Model S as a taxi. After 400,000km (or 250,000 mi) it still had 93% of its original capacity. Their batteries have only gotten better since. Even if we assume someone only uses DC fast charging, most battery packs estimate a minimum 500 charge cycles before capacity drops to 80%. That would be 100,000 mi for a 200mi range car, or 150,000mi for a 300mi range car. You would get much more by using slower level 2 chargers like you would install in a house or apartment. Most experts estimate at least 200,000 miles before significant capacity drop. In terms of time, new batteries can last about 20 years, so charge cycles will be the main driver of degradation.

@MHdollrevievs

Жыл бұрын

@@samusaran7317 Your 2015 Leaf is still going strong,Not one problem and SUPER CHEAP to own.

@samusaran7317

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderPavel Kia soul as well can plummet in degradation.

@samusaran7317

Жыл бұрын

@@MHdollrevievs I don't drive a leaf but know enough to steer clear of them. Now if we're talking about $1000 out the door I may inclined to own one as a gravel road beater.

Great test Kyle! Love this contnet

Great Video. Keep up the good work.

Great video hope to get one of these or some type of ev this year, this is so educational thanks!

Even a 150kw charger will be pegged till about 80% similar to E-tron chargeing curve... still very good. infact if you start using OBD reader I would love to see how the car deals with 150kw vs max to get a better understanding of what is limiting the factor in the charging curve.

I just love your videos man 👍😉👍 keep on going

This is really interesting. My observations from logging a few sessions at 350 kW chargers on an Australian spec car with a 72.6 kWh battery: Up to somewhere just over 50% SOC I can get 220-ish kW if the min pack temp is 25 C or greater. In this SOC range the max increases predictably as the min pack temp passes 5 degree C increments. The slowdown after 50-55% isn't clearly linked to a temperature - I've seen the same slowdown at 32 C and 38 C max pack temp. Nor does it seems to be linked to a particular cell voltage imbalance, but as you expect with these cells the voltage drops once you drop the charge current, so there may be something to that. I don't always get the 80% SOC pause - sometimes it just keeps going, but I've only seen it when earlier in the charge I was able to get the max power. Looking at one session which had a 3 minute pause at 80% then continued to 90%, it does look like there is some cell balancing going on. I don't know if internally the car monitors cell voltage to a finer resolution, but Carscanner shows cell voltages in 0.02V increments. During the pause the reported difference between min and max cell voltage goes from 0.02V to 0.00V.

Been waiting for this one.

Quite a few thoughts as there were lots of things covered here: 32GB is a huge software update - larger than most Tesla updates. I suspect this is likely due to not being a delta update but rather a whole rewrite..someone more familiar with software updates can probably elaborate on this. I would be extremely curious to somehow supplement the cooling system (aftermarket or even something like packing ice around the radiator) to maximize cooling for repeated charging (if you care - for something like a Cannonball with minimal heat shedding during driving). There seem to either be thermal shelves and set tiers of charging speeds based on the thermal shelves. The ~80% “status check” of sorts seems to be only triggered based on set extended times of high current charging or potentially based on pack temp. Ioniq 5 went from 0-93% (first session) in the same time my ID.4 went from 5-80% (I have tested this a few times - 36 minutes very consistently) - this translates to about the same real world range. The real benefit of the E-GMP charging curve, IMO, would be from strict Out of Spec style road tripping rather than from the more normal person approach of not paying too close of attention and charging for 30-40min and continuing on, otherwise the benefit over the course of the day seems that it would be fairly minimal. This is also why Audi e-tron (fat e-tron) has such a great curve for normal people. Second session seems quite thermal limited with higher ambient temps and higher pack temps meaning longer recovery time for the thermal management system. At about 67%, the “hunting” of charging speed jumping up quite a bit is odd before dropping. It’s hard to say why the session failed without more information, but my suspicion would be due to trying to avoid an overcurrent event. Battery preconditioning is important not only for faster charging, but also is important for overall efficiency. Thermal management will take very different approaches for longevity / charge speed depending on whether you’re going to park the car or DCFC and with having a set time until the DCFC session, the car can decide whether to take the more efficient passive approach (using radiator or pulling heat from pack to heat cabin via heat pump) to thermal management or the less efficient active approach (using AC chiller or active heating) to time the proper thermals. It’s really hard to make total sense of the situation without knowing OBD data and seeing pack temp, so I’m glad to hear you’ll be starting that. It’s also a lot less tedious than than pressing the EA button to clear the screen every minute. The setup I use for OBD is “Car Scanner” app and an OBDLink MX+ on either my iPad mini or my iPhone. Using OBD while charging / driving can also help understand the thermal approach being taken based on pump duty cycles and battery inlet/outlet temps. Overall, I think we have three very different approaches to charge curve engineering on the market today - Mach-E with completely arbitrary calculation (rather than sensor based) charge curve; ID.4 with a set curve but deviations for pack temp; and Ioniq 5 / EV6 with a seemingly completely variable curve based entirely on pack sensor data variables.

@KyleConner

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, Branden. Great analysis!

@rizulli

2 жыл бұрын

I also think it isn’t a delta update. At least on the Kona EV the updates also include new maps for the nav. That is probably where most of the size is coming from.

@Dive-Bar-Casanova

2 жыл бұрын

Good take.

@junkerzn7312

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Smells like a whole drive image. Hopefully they at least compressed the data stream over the air! -Matt

@mattbrew11

2 жыл бұрын

and the tesla approach which is “oh no your car no worky GFY you already paid us!”

man, a road trip race would be awesome! It would really highlight the range vs. charging speed equation that buyers have to consider. I'd love to see Kyle doing a little advice video for various EVs telling owners what their car's ideal road trip strategy should be.

@LemironStarling

2 жыл бұрын

I would love this video too since I road trip a lot and plan on a future drive a EV on 6-9hr drives.

I'm not saying anything that everyone else has already said, I just wanted to say thanks for all the detail you go through on every single review.

Loving your videos. I'm about to sell my ram rebel and I feel I can finally go ev which is where I have wanted to go for years. So your videos are helping me a lot with deciding on which direction to go

These are wild speeds for an economically price ev. Thanks for the information!

Thanks for the tip on holding the handle up. The only working 350kw EA in Hillsborough NC required a little “lift”.

Would love to see a road trip battle where you take this and others to see who can get from A-B the quickest. Drive 450-500ish miles which I think is what a lot of people do on long trips per day.

@KyleConner

2 жыл бұрын

Probably need to do 1,000 miles to really highlight the differences

@allisonscottnc

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleConner I agree and I put that distance out to gauge how much time will driving an ev take on a day trip.

@louisrodriques9323

2 жыл бұрын

If you are interested in this kind of info, you should watch Bjorn Nyland’s videos. He is a KZreadr based in Norway and does a full range of tests on virtually every EV out there. Those tests include a 1000 km challenge designed to see how fast each car can complete 1000 km. He also tests each car’s range, charging speed, acceleration, etc. Each of his videos has an embedded Excel spreadsheet that shows all of the test results for each car, so you can compare them. (For what it’s worth, the fastest BEV car to complete the 1000km challenge so far is the Tesla Model 3 LR. The Ioniq 5 results are on his spreadsheet.) You don’t have to take my word about the quality of Bjorn’s work - Kyle has followed him for years and tried to meet him recently when he was in Norway, but Bjorn was on a European road trip in a Model 3.

@Dive-Bar-Casanova

2 жыл бұрын

My girls all want to see Kyle put a ring on Alyssa's finger.

@louisrodriques9323

2 жыл бұрын

Here is Bjorn Nyland’s video of the 1000 km challenge with the Ioniq 5. The spreadsheet showing the comparison with other cars is linked below the video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJ2T1aWhnLq6gsY.html

Would love to see 0-80% on a 150 KW charger😊 Good work tho👌

@yzlvr

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.. would charging stay more consistent? Kyle?

@Crazypostman

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'll be waiting for this one too!

Yeah, definitely add an OBD dongle. When testing the 77 kWh EV6, it seemed that +20C pack temp was the crucial point where the power would shoot up. I think in Bjorn's video he was talking about 5C ledges. However with the EV6, it wasn't consistent. Especially in the winter, the heat pump can suck the temp really cold, I've seen people saying down to -15C. Now when it heats up during charging, sometimes the power would go above 150kW, sometimes it struggles to reach 100 kW. Our parents' great mystery was what happened to Elvis. Ours is the charging behavior of the E-GMP. You'll figure it out but pack temp is the key.

@joel89039

2 жыл бұрын

So what I have found using obd in my awd I5 is the following (min temperatures): 0-15C : 65kw 15-20C: 135kw 20-25C: 180kw 25+: 230kw It has been cold here and I haven't had the pack get hot enough below 80% to throttle speeds. 0-15C takes awhile to heat up. Once you hit 15C it all starts snowballing quickly.(more power going in, pack heater has the water temp to 35C)

@mikev3078

2 жыл бұрын

@@joel89039 Your observations are in line with what I ascertained from Bjorn Nyland's videos. Here is what I observed: 5-14C min batt temp: 65-72kW 15-19C min batt temp: 120kW 20-25C min batt temp: 145-200 >25C min batt temp: 220-230kW 45C max batt temp: 185kW 49-50C max batt temp: 175-160kW >51C max batt temp: 120-115kW >53C max batt temp: 30-25kW 80-82% SOC it will drop to 1-2kW for BMS to check cells 82-85% SOC: 133-75kW 85-90% SOC: 75-40kW 90-95% SOC: 40-29kW >95% SOC:

Key points I can make to your video on the IONIQ 5. I regularly get a peak of 235 kWh on a 15 to 80 % charge. I always get a drop to 2 kWh at 80% SOC for about 1 minute and then a return to between 90-120 kWh. I only charge to 80% on road trips at 350 kW stations and generally arrive with a SOC between 15 to 30% due to station spacing. I do sometimes skip a station and run the pack down to 5% if I can reach out to the next station. I alway per plan a road trip with A Better Route Planner and the longest day trip I do is between 750 - 800 km. A standard road trip day will see no more than 45 minutes of total charge time and I generally start with an AC charging session to 100% SOC. I only have 4000 km on my IONQ 5 and the above conditions occurred in June 2022. Yes you're right about it being a charging monster but only to 80%.

Dude you're videos are awesome! My next car will most definitely be electric but I have another year of payments on my '18 Sonata. I've been debating on the Ioniq 5 and the model 3. I love tech and love seeing all the techy nerdy stuff. I would love to see a home charge from10-80% on this car. I'm planning on installing a 50 amp 240v circuit in my garage with a 14-50 outlet so it would be nice to see real world numbers. I'm driving down to Florida in a couple weeks and would have loved to rent or test drive electric for it but everything is so expensive to rent. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your continued posts! - Aaron from Long Island

@brandenflasch

2 жыл бұрын

Even if you have payments remaining on your car, you can still trade it in - you likely have equity too. AC home charging isn't anything that's worth recording - it's just a matter of battery capacity divided by charge rate.

@MegaSn0wb0ardJunkie

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the reply and agree with the home charging situation. I want a little more equity to keep that monthly rate down. I guess I can keep asking the local dealers if there are any SEL models in stock. I have 0% financing on my current car and would love to get that again. So I can just keep waiting and asking. No rush here. Lol

@ronb4633

2 жыл бұрын

Home charging for all modern BEVs will be quite predictable. With a 50Amp circuit you can pull 80% continuous so figuring 240V avg voltage x 0.8*50 = 9.6kW. Now level 2 charging efficiency is about 90% so 8.6kW to battery of 77kWh so 0-100% would be a little less than 9hr. Usually you won’t be 0% at home nor do you want to regularly charge to 100% but you can get the idea.

@MegaSn0wb0ardJunkie

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronb4633 thanks for the info...this is perfect. I drive 60 miles a day on average so even going a day or two without charging should be OK.

Good point on the route software.

Thanks Kyle, bought an Ionic 5 yesterday from Cary thanks to your videos. I am leaving on a roadtrip From Raleigh to Boston and back starting tomorrow, excited to try charging it myself to see how it charges and compares to my Model 3 and Y

@brandenflasch

2 жыл бұрын

How was your buying experience at Johnson?

@sahasramananandan3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandenflasch Johnson Hyundai Cary had about 20 in stock, just walked into dealer and bought one at msrp. Salesman was very helpful and nice. Pretty painless process

@brandenflasch

2 жыл бұрын

@@sahasramananandan3722 no extra add ons?

@sahasramananandan3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandenflasch the car had some accessories added from factory I had to pay for but that was on the window sticker and was part of msrp so I was fine with it

@sahasramananandan3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandenflasch things like floor mats, cargo liner, cargo net, wheel locks

Roadtrip races would be amazing!

I have the numbers for the charging curve (coming from a High Power Charger manufacturer) Phase 1 - 0% to 53% Optimum if temp is higher than 25°C Amp = 305A - 201kW approx. max: 225kW rapidgate over 35°C - 153A - 101kW max 113kW coldgate lvl1 between 21 and 28 265A - 175 max 196 CG lvl2 20 and 27 185A 122 max 137 CG lvl3 >10 and 15 166A 110 max 123 CG lvl4 >5 and 10 103A 68 max 76 CG lvl >=5°C 97A 64 max 72 CG lvl6 under 5°C 60A 40 max 44 Phase 2 - 53-73% optimum >=25 200A 151kW max 157 RG1 >=35 245A 184 max 195 RG2 >=40 232A 175 max 182 RG3 >=50 75A 56 max 59 Phase 3 73% - 8x% rapid gate >=30

@jeremyhilty7962

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting info! Thanks for posting this. I have a US spec Ioniq5 AWD SEL. I'll have to see how closely it follows this chart the next time I DCFC it at EA. Looks like the ideal battery temp is 25-35C.

In sub freezing temperatures, I also started in the 60s for a long time, before jumping to the 130 near 60%. The battery was definitely cold and I was not in winter mode as I just barely made it there.

I would love to see the road trip charging situation. Run multiple cars at the same time or different ones from the same locations, and see how long it actually takes to do the road trip. Charging speed is important but how fast you can get from point A to point b really is the ultimate goal. I think I agree with you about possibly a lack of cooling capacity or heating capacity. But it's still an awesome charging car.

The updates that you can apply yourself are just for the entertainment / navigation etc. Updates to stuff like battery management system are only done via dealer updates. The EU pack is smaller, but it’s the same pack - it just has a few modules missing with empty spaces. I can’t remember the exact number it’s missing, sorry. I believe that the actual total size of the battery is 80 KWh

@TuomoTanskanen

2 жыл бұрын

This 👆 You can only do nav/infotainment updates yourself.

@ianrobins5501

2 жыл бұрын

the full pack has 32 modules (77kWh), 30 for the 73kWh pack and 28 for the 58kWh packs

You really described it well. I am looking forward to Kia ev9. I would love to get a 7 seater ev with affordability.

Hey! That's my Target parking lot! In less than 2 weeks (hopefully) I'll have an Altas White Limited AWD Ioniq 5 charging there!

Over here in europe we have several people doing the analysis. Bjorn Nils has been using an obdII scanner to understand the charging rates and also some power loss at high temps. There are two key batterytemperatures, 25 deg c at which point a cold battery starts to really pick up speed on charging, and 45deg c at which point the charging is throttled to keep battery temp down. Also at 45 deg c there is Nils discovered a potential power loss when accelerating. The power is OK again when the battery temperature drops below. Thanks for your very deep analysis and I will be interested to see if you get similar results with an OBDII scanner.

This car is forgiven for its relative inefficiency because of the charge speed. On every road trip I've ever taken my food stops are >30 mins. People may argue this, but park, plug, walk, wait a couple of mins to order, order, wait, eat, wash, toilet - it's a lot. This car can reliably do 200 mile legs, so a normal road tripper (not setting any records) can comfortably trip all day and do some serious miles. I hope Hyundai can up the efficiency a bit with some software tweaks. The charging is golden.

@samusaran7317

2 жыл бұрын

Not much you can do with poor aero.

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

@@samusaran7317 Wait for Ioniq 6.

Excellent analysis and commentary. I suggest hyundai Kia should display min max battery temperatures, trivial software change amazing improvement for driver feeling about knowing what is going on and a sense of driver control. The battery temps are the EV equivalent of oil pressure and water temp in an ICE. Just a change of thinking.

I noticed that you weren't sitting in the car while it was charging. Bjørn noticed some cold-gating when the cabin was heating, that seemed to go away when it was turned off. The theory is that the car's heat-pump prioritized the cabin comfort over maintaining battery temps for ideal charging speeds. It would be great if this could be tested. Edit: I just rewatched the Bjørn video on this. The IONIQ 5 and EV6 were overheating the battery. According to Bjørn, the rapid-gate was caused by the cabin climate control being prioritized over cooling the battery with the heat-pump.

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

Does the USA version have heatpump?

@pedantic79

2 жыл бұрын

@@abraxastulammo9940 It looks like some models have heat-pumps and others do not. In the USA, the AWD models have heat-pumps, and the RWD do not. This is for all trim levels.

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedantic79 No heatpump means battery cannot be pumped cold to heat up the cabin (has additional PTC anyway, Bjørn noted a distinctive smell).

Hyundai announced some changes for the 2023 model to Europe w increased battery capacity to same as NA model and also battery heating feature once charging location input to the connected route planner. What I wonder is whether a software update will also be available for the current 2022 models to improve the charging on route, I sure hope so. The winter mode is in the RWD version as well but it only is supposedly providing benefit if temps are below -5° C. Keep up the great work w the videos, really enjoy em

Good news is that Hyundai promised a software update with en-route preconditioning before the next (northern) winter.

Glad Hyundai finally added EV route planning, total game changer!

Kyle Tesla Bjorn in his 1000km challenge noted that the coldest battery needed to get to 21C before the charge would go to 220+kw and it throttles when the hottest battery hits 45C. So Hyundai needs to heat its batteries to 21C and then do a better job of cooling them.

Looking forward to the EV6 test! Just ordered an AWD GT Line 2 with an expected delivery of early 2023. Hoping all of these first gen bugs are gone by then :)

LTO - The magic battery chemistry with insane charging curves and along with longer cycles. Kindly post a video of charging from 0-100 on LTO pack probably on a TOSA or any other bus with this battery chemistry, should be pretty interesting to analyze it.

Great video, Kyle! This "tip" of turning off climate control during charging to not divert cooling to the cabin, is this something you recommend for any EV, or is specific to the IONIQ 5?

@ouch1011

2 жыл бұрын

Any EV with a liquid cooled battery will use the air conditioner to cool the battery. Faster charging cars need more cooling. If your car only charges at fairly low speed (less than 100kw) then it probably doesn’t matter.

I would love to see some road trip races!

My take on this is 250mile range and faster charging solves my range problems. Good hear the more data plans for the future with ODB scans.

@Kimbrough87

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that solves your problem but fast charging your car so often will leave you strained it when your battery is dead and eight years Fast charging your battery is not good for longevity unless your battery is a lithium polymer battery which I have in my vehicle

@jasonblair4057

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kimbrough87 I should have been a little more clear. Fast charging on long trips with a 250mile range on the highway.

I'm really keen to see this compared to the EV6. I'm seriously considering getting that later this year

I have had an Ionic 5 for 5 months and 5,000km. The few times I tried DC fast charging, the charge rate was all over the place. What is interesting is that the level 2 charging that I have at home, with a 40 amp breaker and 7.5kW to the car is perfectly consistent, hot or cold, low or high state of charge, even up to 100%. It doesn't seem to matter when I plug my car in at home it always receives 7.5kW. With the DC fast chargers and much greater current, it looks like there needs to be a lot of safeguards in place to protect the battery.

Scheduled to pickup my new Ioniq5 AWD in the next couple weeks from a dealer in Connecticut. Then, driving it to Wisconsin. I've noted & mapped-out EA & EVgo charging stations along the route. It should be an interesting trip in the cold & through some of the hills in NY. As a soon-to-be new ev owner I'm wondering, for battery upkeep/longevity should I not charge over 85% ?

@kyliefan7

2 жыл бұрын

Probably a good idea if you are keeping it a long time or fast charging!

These are impressive numbers, I think in a couple of years when solid state batteries become a thing, roller coaster charging curves will be a thing of the "past" perhaps just become a flat curve.

I will be purchasing an Ioniq 5 limited in the future. (Right now dealers are asking for $5k over MSRP and I refuse to pay that. So it will happen when that goes away. Hopefully next year). My question is will you be doing studies on home charging of the Ioniq 5? Also a study of which home charger works best for the Ioniq 5. I enjoy that your studies gets into the nuts and bolts of what is happening and why. Great work…….

@dconner9

2 жыл бұрын

Be aware that you can absolutely buy any Ioniq5 right now at MSRP as long as you are willing to buy it from a dealer that may be far away from you. Just call around, read some blogs or comments on these videos and you will see :). No need to wait!

Kyle, you seem to be the only auto journalist who rigorously tests and reports on real-world charging capabilities in new EV's. And while charging speed is important, honestly, to me it's not as important as being able to trust the car to get you to the next working charge point. Further, it's not clear that all automakers are not up to the task of developing and testing and deploying the mission-critical core software requirements for battery management reporting and route calculation. Consumers will need and expect accurate range numbers and route planning software that knows the location of every working and non-working charger and how far you can actually go on the planned route with the car's current state of charge. I realize it's hard to test route planning software among cars, but when you road trip a car, having as part of the review some Kyle Connors subjective evaluation of route planning and range reporting accuracy (which you sometimes do) would be great, and it lets automakers know someone is watching. Keep up the good work!

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

Teslabjørn tests real world charging in his 1000 km challenge and optimized charging in his "horse race" like charging battles against other cars. 😉

@richardhale2117

2 жыл бұрын

@@abraxastulammo9940 Thanks I'll check him out.

Wow. I WAS cross-shopping an i-Pace, but as I do frequently have to drive 350m to my northern Minnesota cabin, i-Pace charging curves and top speed is unacceptable. It would add about 2 hours of charging time for two stops, to my 4 1/2 hour drive. With Ioniq 5, I think I could make it with one charge session for 30 minutes.

I love these videos, but would love to see how the RWD model compares to this one.

Doing races that include charging is an excellent idea, to see which cars perform best in the real world.

It seems like the two cars had opposite charging curves (SD hit full throttle right away then tapered, Zach's started slow then throttled up), but both went 0-100 SOC in under an hour. Quite impressive.

I honestly want to see him review an Aptera Motors car. I have a feeling he'd really enjoy reviewing and testing that car out, plus I'm curious about the real world data

Winter mode is available on RWD in Ireland. I have it switched on but have yet to see battery conditioning use any power.

original etrol still charging KING! I remeber back when I had chance to buy a new one for shy of 70K. wish I would have done that!

I’ve been updating my 64kWh Soul EV over the past year with the Hyundai/Kia head-unit software update and that comes in at 25GB a time so that number for I5/EV6 head-unit doesn’t surprise me

Hi, I live in Montréal and I am in line for the 2023 Ioniq 5. Just wondering how would a 50kw charger do? Don't have a DC charger around me yet.

I like Hyundai’s response, don’t worry about it! LOL!!! Before 80% the charging performance seems quite impressive.

I have a 2020 sonata with the similar head unit and the usb update for that was also 32 plug gb and took over an hour

@OutofSpecReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Great info, thank you!

I like that EV!

Do you know why Hyundai got rid of the slide-out bucket-style glove box? Also, why did they remove the option to purchase with a solar roof? Both these were originally avaliable when it was released to auto reviewers.

how many miles this one does with full baterry? realisticly

Great video, as always, but I'm fixated on the fact that the built-in nav cannot include charging stops. How does Hyundai expect owners to road trip with this car? The peak charging speeds and area under the charging curve are fantastic, but if owners can't locate charging stations... Experienced EV owners will use things like ABRP and PlugShare to find chargers along their routes, but those things are not great for folks just switching over from EV's.

Since you've got free 30 minute sessions of charging, what happens if you go beyond 30 minutes? Do you just get charged for the excess minutes you use beyond 30, or does it charge you for the entire session?

These E-GMP cars are pretty solid.

You need to always carry an OBD bluetooth and use the car scanner app, so you can see the temp of the battery!

also, is this like a Rivian thing where the car should start cooling the pack earlier?

I have done charging of EV6 (77,4 kwh battery pack) and at the same time obd plugged in with Car Scanner in my phone. It looks like the charging speed is related to Batt Min temperature and in 5 Celcius steps.

We need a rwd range test

@wydracon

2 жыл бұрын

And charge test as it doesn't have a battery heater according to the specs for the US version

Tom M. just compared 350 vs 150 on the Lucid and the differences was not massive. Have you compared the 150 vs 350?

I believe that these bursts of power is to push past some of the cells as they charge up. Cells can react differently in the cold. I call it punching the cells up but not over heating other cells. Then at 78 percent it backs down to allow a leveling of all cells. Hope that makes sense.

@tnitron9750

2 жыл бұрын

Great observations Kyle.

so this is a great video, one item that i am taking away from this as well is the cost to fill up. the $33.97 to get a full charge (yes i know there are free min for now) seems as expensive as gas. so other then the cheaper electric at home and the current incentives is it more cost effective ? i know EV is the future as we are not making any new oil. just makes you think. keep up the good work.

@Bud_Terence

2 жыл бұрын

Less maintenance ( less moving parts) makes ev more reliable. Dunno how its in USA, but here in Germany, EV's are not taxed untill 2030. For example: my 2,2 l Diesel costs me 335€ tax every year, ev is 0, just to show relation, and gas/diesel price is riseng steady. Also other bennefits like free parking in citycentres or even free charging at several groceryshops or local slow AC-Chargers. So, all in all its cheaper, but also purchse an ev is more expensive than ICE or PHEV.

@jamescox7490

2 жыл бұрын

There's no free rides in life!

@dennislyon5412

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the per kwh rate for the charging session was the max, at 43 cents per kwh. For $4 a month subscription, the per kwh cost drops to .31, but this is also variable, depending on if the state the charger is in can charge by kwh or per minute rate. That’s about on par with a 30 mpg gas car. If you can charge at home, the cost can be way less, perhaps even zero if you have solar.

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

Porsche makes new oil/efuels for initial fuelling or race series.

@mrbob9556

2 жыл бұрын

That's my take on this also. If you are going to spend a lot more money for an electric car and pay the same as gas to charge it, that along defeats the purpose. I understand the maintenance part, etc. But most new cars can go 10k for oil change and 100k maintenance free.

Soul EV Spy for android with OBD2 will give battery cell temperatures and voltages for the Hyundai and Kia EV.s . Plus charging info, tire pressure etc. from the car. My battery has been below 0C for the past weeks. The cells got just over 3C after driving in 5C weather. That's a lot of battery mass to heat up when charging!

Electrify America is why I am still waiting to buy an electric car, although supply chain issues mean I won’t do it yet anyway. They need to work with manufacturers to get a more consistent experience and the stations need to be better maintained. If you have 2 units and one of them is down for a week that is just not good enough.

ETron is still the king of flat charging curve!

Could you add a cost per mile for the full charge. E.g. electric @~$35/200 miles. Compared to $35 of gas @$3.50/gal Would be 220mi/10gal, or 22mpg equivalent costwise.

I think you sum it up well, it’s hard to get a perfect charging session with this car. From what I’ve seen in other videos, it seems to be too aggressive with the heat scavenging cold weather. It’s like the battery will either not get hot enough, or overheat. 😵‍💫 Remember, in the real world, most people would keep climate on while charging.. If you get an OBD adapter for this, I think you’ll find big differences in min cell temp and max cell temp. Is that a sign of a bad design?

Kyle! Y'all should do a collab with @MKBHD they did a cool EV road trip video with a Mach E, this Plaid Tesla Model S, and an Audi Q5.

Balancing the charge among cells in a battery sounds like a similar challenge to trying to balance the air/fuel charge ratio between the cylinders of a piston airplane engine. Some cylinders have a lean ratio (even though theyre all fed by the same carburetor) and run too hot risking damage, other get a rich mixture and run cool but waste fuel. But you only have one lever to pull to change all 4/6 at once.

OBD dongles aren't that expensive. You take a lot of guess work out of comparing charging sessions when can see what's happening in the battery.

I’ve got to say that I disagree with the statement that Tesla charging sessions are consistent. I’ve supercharged my 2021 M3 LR multiple times and I’ve never gotten the same charging performance twice. I’ve had multiple instances where the car had over an hour of preconditioning and still charges “slow” in the winter. I just did an 800mo road trip and had one stop where the car would not accept more than 100kw at any station (navigated to the supercharger from 98% SOC) I’ve had the charging taper way too early with the AC compressor and fans blazing, even when it wasn’t hot outside. I’ve had multiple charger issues on superchargers. The charging is still relatively good and better than most other electric cars, but far from consistent. Maybe that’s because it has the “newer” battery which I’ve heard doesn’t charge as well. Or maybe Tesla realized that they were damaging their packs by overcharging them and decided to back down the charging performance. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the new eGMP cars have very finicky charging speeds because they are pushing the limits of charging speed with a relatively small pack. The average charging speed of this pack is substantially faster than any Tesla with a similar size pack and similar to the Taycan which uses a substantially larger pack.

Very impressive numbers but Im curious how it stacks up against a smaller battery, fast charging car (albeit slower than the Ioniq) like my LFP Model 3. Range is similar but on a battery thats ~18kW smaller, mine peaks at 160ish to 35%ish and carries 100kW+ until 60-70%. I’ve done 18-80 in 18 mins, this car did it in 17.

Does the cobalt content difference between a Tesla and Ionic influence the speed?

@abraxastulammo9940

2 жыл бұрын

Probably silicon addition to the anode like Taycan.

It would be nice to see this same good charging on the new Ford Lightning. The Ford will have the same battery manufacturer I believe.

ID4 vs ioniq 5, which car did you enjoy driving more? TY

@dconner9

2 жыл бұрын

This should help… kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJat1cawnZXFlM4.html

17:08 I assume we would get another video in next few months once the firmware gets updated for the USA limited AWD model which already have the battery management hardware installed. Here is the spec of my car from the sticker. POWERTRAIN TECHNOLOGY 74kW+165kW Dual Electric Motor (320 HP); HTRAC All-Wheel Drive 77.4kWh Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery System (800V) DC Ultra-Fast Charging Capability w/ SAE Combo Port 10.9kW On-Board Charger; Battery Pre-Heating System & Heat Pump

Cost savings & range is eye popping. Range 303 for 25-26 bucks is not bad thing.

Am I seeing this correctly? $34 for 80kwh which translates to about 250 miles of range? And a new Corolla hybrid will get 45mpg combined all day long, maybe $20 in fuel at current US average prices. I get that these charging networks need to make money, but they're buying bulk commercial power at $0.10 to $0.13 per kWh during peak and charging us more than two times that at $0.28 to $0.30 per kWh. I also understand that everyone says "you need to charge at home if you want to save money", but that completely destroys usefulness of an EV. How do we expect to convince regular people to get in an EV when we still struggle to get more than 175 miles of range in the cold winter states and it costs more 75% more per gallon than economical gasoline engine hybrids if you're away from home?

Nice charging test but I think I will keep the Mach--E for the more comfy ride and longer lasting battery. I'm also going to put slightly wider tires on my Mach-E for better corning.

@samusaran7317

2 жыл бұрын

So you're going to make it less efficient than it is already? Fun

@peteglass3496

2 жыл бұрын

Did the Mach-E actually get the software update to improve the charge curve between 80 & 90% that Kyle mentioned in his Ionic -v- Mach-E video? The cliff edge at 80% was clearly stupid.

@TruWrecks

2 жыл бұрын

@Pete Glass Yes. From 80% to 95% my MME was maintaining 35-40 kWh, then at 95% it dropped to 12 kWh.

Saw online that the battery will begin to condition itself when you set a charging location in the GPS

$30 is a lot more than what I expected for a charge, is this peak the electricity rate?

“The area under the curve” finally taking Calculus I, II and III will pay off for me.

I've driven a 1000 km day trip in summer (europe) with the 72.6 KWH european version (AWD project 45 ...top model). I noticed that the FIRST charging session was a little slower than the second....as if the battery had a better temperature at the start of the second session. Driving stints: both ca 250KM in 2 hours. (The third session is not relevant....no 350 KW charger available in Poland in the summer 2021...so charging at lower speed with Greenway or Orlen chargers...90 or 100 kw max chargers) (In autumn they have opened the first high speed chargers there) Overall I do not often go for fast chargers. In normal daily life the range suits well enough ...so only home charging (and that's much cheaper...especially when someone has solar panels on the roof.) I know that not everyone will have his own parking with charging psoosibilities...

Hope you answer here. I heard in another channel that it's not recommended to charge the car to 100% all the time. I found that recommendation weird. Any comments?Also what is the life expectancy of this car, compared to a regular gas car?

I do get this dip down to essentially zero at times, but I haven't discerned a pattern yet. Around 80% for sure.

Would love an I5. Wish Hyundai could send us some.

admittedly i'm here on the East Coast (not far from "Tommy Molo") and i have access to no less than eight (8) 350KW EA stations within an hour's drive. now how many are OPERATIONAL is unknown (would be wise to check Plugshare i guess) but the current stat pre-pandemic was that something like 20% of the ENTIRE POPULATION of the United States actually resides here in the Northeast Corridor between Wash DC and NYC. #DENSEAF