I was taught about the Industrial Revolution in Canada and I was never taught about HOW those raw materials were produced to enable the “revolution”. I can’t believe that crucial information was not acknowledged.

@SSNewberry

Жыл бұрын

I am working on a book. It may be published if allowed. Cross your fingers.

@BearbearbearbearbearbearRarrrr

Жыл бұрын

Canada hasn’t yet reconciled our genocidal history. We are deeply indoctrinated.

@del7i540

Жыл бұрын

😂

@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533

Жыл бұрын

It's because they wasn't. The likes of Olusoga and Kehinde Andrews are just grifters. The Industrial Revolution in Britain was based around the use of resources such as coal and iron ore - both mined in Britain by British people and utilised via engineering by yes you guessed it, British people. So-called academics like Olusoga will spin you a yarn, and some gullible people buy into it.

@johnw574

11 ай бұрын

An industrial revolution was not based on just black people picking cotton...

Well done… thank you for your integrity.

@maxb9315

Жыл бұрын

What integrity? The man's a race hustler and an ideologue.

@johnnicol64

Жыл бұрын

That's a joke right.

@chrisdrakes2332

Жыл бұрын

Integrity? It's publicly available information dude. No integrity involved.

I am part of the conversation. My African-American ancestors were owned by children of senators and university founders. I did the research expecting to find my family tree and I did. But I also found the links to the core of American industrialism ( rice, cotton) ,education ( ivy league) and enterprise ( cotton gin ). If you're black, this is your story and it's precisely why reparations and a reordering of society are necessary before we can get to any level of fair play. Acknowledging this history is like the admission of the addiction that can start an honest and lasting recovery.

@wordzmyth

Жыл бұрын

It gives a whole new perspective on the generational wealth that families are so proud of.

@bdwon

Жыл бұрын

Fundamentally flawed, the discourse about reparations hobbles itself when it omits arguments for recompense to indigenous peoples. What about those whose stolen lands were cultivated for cotton exports?

@kf9926

Жыл бұрын

@@bdwon many Indians have been given reparations

@klof4276

Жыл бұрын

@@kf9926 yeah the "blanket program" if I recall.

@kf9926

Жыл бұрын

@@klof4276 weather it was ‘enough’ is another question nevertheless they have been given reparations

A decent, honest start to a debate that must spread.

Those who are unwilling to address and denounce and prioritize modern day slavery, are poorly suited to speak wisely about historic slavery.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

The inverse is also true- were The Guardian to fail to address its own historic contributions, they would lack credibility when reporting on contemporary crimes. Opening the closet and evicting these skeletons was essential.

@trulyblessed5254

Жыл бұрын

@z Rich, this is the best post I ever read on the topic of slavery.

@johnpryce2011

Жыл бұрын

People have other priorities as they did back then the powerless are not going to bleed over horrible history or take responsibility for it ...nor should they.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

Well, that’s hardly true is it! Your mind will do anything to avoid talking about your historical crimes as a nation, even turn not talking about modern day slavery in the same breath as historical slavery some kind of crime worthy of devaluing the speaker. 🙄.They can be spoken about separately quite correctly. Is anybody banishing anything? I don’t think so 🙄.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

@@mjones4083 no, just slavery 😏

If, as this piece states, the Gullah-Geechee were the direst link to the source of The Guardian's founding monies, then obviously The Guardian should set up a trust that the Gullah-Geechee can access for financial resources in whatever way they see fit. They have lost a lot of land through the same means the native ppl of the US lost land -- through trickery -- and that money could go a long way to support efforts to restore those lands and safe guard the lands they currently have from sea level rising and storms caused by climate change.

@tvs9978

Жыл бұрын

It is not stated anywhere that there is a direct link. They said Philips was a partner in a firm that owned a plantation. It does not mean that the £100 definitively came from the profits off the plantation they owned. I am very sure that the plantation was not the only business they owned. The historian said it's likely, but she didnt present any evidence to say it's definitive. People, especially businessmen, have many sources of income. Guessing that they got the 100 pounds from one of their businesses is a stretch.

Hopefully we can just get to a point where people are studying history as a way to get to the truth, rather than as a means of political point-scoring, on either side

@orangeducj7582

Жыл бұрын

But i feel that's how it has always been people have used history to score some points and justify a war or something or to make themselves look better for ages I feel as if everyone one in history did it and will probably continue to do so

@thebigcapitalism9826

Жыл бұрын

How does the left do it? Before you answer, know that the left does not include liberals such as the USA Democratic Party. The left comprises anything from Bernie Sanders to Anarcho-Communists

@RankinMsP

Жыл бұрын

Codswallop indeed.

'Two things can be true at the same time.' Well, who'd have thought it?

@fredperry523

5 ай бұрын

Professor Milli Vanilli told us - so it must be fact !

Thank you for having the balls to run this story and admitting to uncomfortable historical facts.

GUARDIAN YOU ARE BEEN DISMANTLED BY THE DAY 🙏

Slavery never ended. Those who know, know.

@bradleymcdonald6273

Жыл бұрын

Yep it's called socialism and it's coming to a country near you

@activeone

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... just look at India, Saudi Arabia, the Middle East..

@anotherdayonearth2199

Жыл бұрын

Everyone thinks they know something others don't.

@maxb9315

Жыл бұрын

@@anotherdayonearth2199 Everyone DOES know something others don't!

@anotherdayonearth2199

Жыл бұрын

@@maxb9315 bs. we all get it. there is still slavery. no one cares. even lot of the slaves don't care.

Wasn't the GB at the forefront of ending slavery - across the world? The naval ships patroling the seas?

@JohnSmith-iu3ui

Жыл бұрын

Dahomey, Zanzibar, Nigeria, Brazil ,Spain and Portugal (latter two were bribed).

@ncubesays

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, the nervous reflex which chooses to ignore what happened before this happened.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

After being the worse human-traffickers, yes, I should hope so! 😛

@angelatester2471

Жыл бұрын

@@HeartBreakHigh Maybe a lttle global history would help

@angelatester2471

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-iu3ui and holland

Imagine David’s tone if this story was about the ‘The Times’.

@RankinMsP

Жыл бұрын

???

@brettpilkington9539

Жыл бұрын

​@@RankinMsP what he's saying is that The Times is considered very right leaning and it is owned by Murdoch.

The Reality of Olusoga being a Historian of any merit has to be questioned

@joekhatib3798

8 ай бұрын

Why does this give me the same vibes I got from the New York Times and their 1619 project by a bunch of radicals like Nikole Hannah-Jones!!! 😒

History should be told honestly, so I'm glad to see features like this. At the same time though, in order to be honest it's necessary to look at history in its proper context. In the early 19th century it had only recently been decided that slavery is a Very Bad Thing. For millennia before that it was just an understood part of the human condition. For British people with ancestry on the south coast there's a decent chance that some of their relatives were carried off into slavery by the Barbary pirates. Before that we had the Vikings who enslaved thousands too. To condemn people for doing something that was perfectly acceptable within their lifetimes , and probably happened to some of their own ancestors too, seems to me somewhat iniquitous. We should remember and learn from this history, while at the same time appreciating how we as a society have developed for the better by renouncing the pernicious state of slavery.

This is such a courageous step. Massive kudos to the Guardian for acknowledging this. We should be transformed by this knowledge to address current injustice with more sincerity.

@maxb9315

Жыл бұрын

A much more courageous step would be to acknowledge and condemn the slavery going on in the world today and address that problem. But that never quite figures in the 'current injustice' the Left seeks to address as it doesn't fit the narrative of white people being the perennial villains.

No offence but I could not care less about the proclivities of the current owners, let alone ones that have been dead for hundreds of years.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Right, right. You spend most of your days commenting on the many things you don't care about, do you? Strange sort of non-life you seem to be living.

@usainengland

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and it’s not pertinent who owns Fox News.

I double dare the Guardian to do a report on its links to the security services.

@shangrila448

Жыл бұрын

or to the Melinda Gates Foundation

@curiositycloset2359

Жыл бұрын

Links? They are the security services.

@peterdelmonte9832

Жыл бұрын

Well if you smart and informed folk have actual evidence to back up what is so far just words, I for one would be interested to hear it. Plus, what would be the negativities of having “links” to the Melinda Gates Foundation? I’ve read and watched much on Bill’s history and he seems to be a ruthless, driven and wholly profit oriented person who I probably wouldn’t like. And I know about the agricultural seed deals…which he certainly didn’t invent though it’s depressing they’re still operating I believe. However, no-one else has donated and convinced others to donate such huge sums (tax deductable or not…and I’m such a commerce ignoramus I don’t even know what that means, even at 73 with a hatful of quals!) to address what governments seem disinclined to even acknowledge. Would you prefer those rich people kept all of their wealth?

@Thrill_Hou

Жыл бұрын

@@shangrila448 ??? They openly display when an article is sponsored by the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. It’s not some sort of secret.

All slavery is horrific and sadly many cultures worldwide historically have carried it out incl freed slaves owning their own slaves plus some countries selling their own people. Still going on today even here in UK

@johnwilson5637

Жыл бұрын

If it's going on in the UK then it should be reported to the authorities as slavery in the UK is illegal.

@DogonChild

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@alextw1488

Жыл бұрын

But this is specifically about how British people wreaked death and destruction and how our institutions maintain and violently defend the pillaged privilege to this day. The last known person transported on a US slave ship died in 1940. My grandad was getting a bit old to unload US tobacco at the Stanley Dock around that time. It's not that long ago. It's not good enough to play fast and loose with historical analysis and go 'meh, nothing unusual.' There's responsibility to acknowledge and redress the ongoing damage.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes- that old nasty chestnut. "Everyone is doing it- even the former slaves" gets trotted out whenever accountability/responsibility comes too close to home.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@clivet3252 A degree more horrible than your character- but close.

From Wikipedia. 'Slavery in Mali exists today, with as many as 200,000 people held in direct servitude to a master.' maybe The Guardian should focus on this?

@maxisussex

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't fit their narrative.

@eksiarvamus

Жыл бұрын

It is always easier to criticize those who tolerate criticism than those who oppose it.

@Kohanman

Жыл бұрын

spoken like someone who has never cared about people in Mali or modern day slavery until they needed to find a fallacious whataboutism after being made to feel guilt when confronted by the horrors of history.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Any honest reader knows that The Guardian has undertaken many reports on contemporary slavery. That ain't you.

@jrcp106

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun Googled, 'The Guardian slavery in Mali' yielded only one article from 2013.

Now apologize for the Guardian’s terrible film reviews.

David blocked me on twitter for politely reminding him that he has been totally silent on the genocide in Gaza. Silence is complicity!!

My great great grandfather six times removed William Virgo was a wealthy plantation owner who owned many enslaved people in Jamaica. His wealth was passed on to his eight children after his passing.

@Xchromosomerules

Жыл бұрын

Were the planters in your family black people?

What is interesting and rarely mentioned is that the Confederacy in the Southern states was trying desperately to get the British involved. They were asking for the British to join the war on the side of the South, but Queen Victoria adamantly refused because she was against slavery. The cotten mills of Manchester were at a standstill and all the workers were unemployed and hungry but she would rather they be hungry than she prop up slavery.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

Жыл бұрын

No actually they found another source of cotton in India, and Egypt.

@ovh992

Жыл бұрын

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 yup. That is true. Then they ruined India. They forced India to buy British made cotton fabric when India already had their own weavers.

Olusoga is a very clever race hustler, his books and articles all follow the same pattern of excluding anything that doesn't fit his agenda.

@vincekerrigan8300

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he manipulates facts

@maxb9315

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@Jimdixon1953

Жыл бұрын

I seem to remember him claiming Beachy Head Lady was from Sub Saharan Africa when later tests showed she was actually from Cyprus.

@youtubesnoopinfo

Жыл бұрын

Neoestablishment

Everything said here about slavery is valid and acknowledged. But it’s history, everyone has learned from it, that’s why it was abolished. Dragging this history up now is irrelevant. What is he doing about modern slavery? That would be more useful instead of pointless journalism.

Can't you just receive the information without all of the whining? As a Black American with Caribbean roots I appreciated this info and will read further for more.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

The Guardian has a dedicated cohort of trolls that synthesize fault with whatever they do- I would take all the disingenuous noise here as representative of the British people.

@cerneuffington2656

Жыл бұрын

Olusoga's books are full of misinformation and lies... He's an activist, certainly not an historian. It's beyond me why anyone would publish a book by him 😞

@ShawarMoni

Жыл бұрын

​@@cerneuffington2656 hes presented here as sort of court historian.. which is indeed wierd...

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@cerneuffington2656 Curious that you read more than one- I mean, when I make the mistake of purchasing anything like what you've characterized, I don't give the author another chance. It seems much more likely that you have read exactly zero books by David Olusoga, and are just throwing mud.

@annereidy7981

Жыл бұрын

​@@cerneuffington2656 sweeping statement holding some fact but primarily fiction, that's you!

I didn’t think I could be a bigger fan of you guys…I WAS WRONG!!! Thank you!

@lionheart4552

Жыл бұрын

Just words. Where Is the reparation ?

More slaves exist across the world today than were shipped to the Americas over the course of two centuries. I love how these people instead of doing anything about the very real and current problems that exist all across the world. Instead pat themselves on the back for pointing out problems with the past. 👏👏👏 how enlightened and selfless.

@chuck4441

Жыл бұрын

You are completely correct

@thatguy2

Жыл бұрын

You know that you can do two things at the same time. Right

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

“These people?” Do you wear white sheets at the weekend? 🙄

@AlOfNorway

Жыл бұрын

You can confront the past so it doesn’t repeat itself and embrace the present so that we have a future.

@mariannevontrapp1063

Жыл бұрын

True! How many woman are now sexslaves, force to prostitution, woman trafficing!

And this is watched by almost everyone on a rechargable battery device that could not be produced without cobalt, a mineral mined by thousands of Congolese people, including young children, often dying of radiation sicknesses, military oppression and buried alive in collapsing tunnels. Modern slavery now.

Something good must come from history, but we must not try to rewrite it, we must learn from it. My city Liverpool was built on slavery but I am proud to be a Scouser.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Liverpool’s history of slavery and the treatment of their blk and mixed race citizens is terrible. I didn’t know how bad it was until I researched it. Right up to at least the 80’s it’s had incredibly bad race relations. Blk people are banished to outer areas.

@fritolaid6805

Жыл бұрын

The Roman’s built liverpool

@cmg1819

Жыл бұрын

"Slavery built Liverpool" is a terribly reductive term for a city that was a departure point for thousands of emigrants to America and Canada as well as welcoming millions of Irish fleeing famine. Many of which stayed and formed a large part of the city's current identity. You should actually read up on your own cities history.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

@@cmg1819 It’s not a terrible reductive term though is it. She clearly isn’t trying to be reductive. I find slavery built Europe and Europeans to me more accurate.

*''Facts About Slavery Never Mentioned In Schools (Thomas Sowell)''*

@vanpeters9751

Жыл бұрын

Thomas sowell is a sellout

Is the guardian self snitching?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Yes- it's call "accountability", a basic predicate for credibility.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun It's called coughing up after you've been caught out.

@lesigh1749

Жыл бұрын

virtue signaling

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@lesigh1749 Where as you proclaim your lack of virtue loudly, in each post.

@edenbreckhouse

Жыл бұрын

Self flagellation. It's also popular with some religious sects.

Bro like so what. who cares.

Why not focus on the slavery that exists today in many parts of the world, instead of wallowing in self pity of something that happened centuries before you were born?

Well done

I love when institutions are revealed to be linked to slavery. Harvard did it recently.

@ananixon

Жыл бұрын

Can you share a link to that? Would love to learn about it

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

🙄🤡

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

YT posted my comment in the wrong place! 🙄🙄🙄. I agree with your comment.

@egodeosum

Жыл бұрын

I take slight issue with the passive voice of that sentence. I think it significant that it was the Guardian itself that broke this story. Had it been in response to some other outlet revealing it, we might discuss whether or not the Guardian's response was adequate, but it would be a different situation. In situations like this, one might still wonder whether they were moved by sincere desire to make an open and honest reckoning with the publication's past, or preempting scrutiny and simply getting ahead of the story. I lean towards the former.

@ttacking_you

Жыл бұрын

@@egodeosumYeah that's all very pedantic 👍

Had connections. It’s history, not an aspect of the business or it’s policies for a century or so. Not something to be hidden but not something that has been a source of wealth for generations. The claims to a portion due to past slavery is an incomplete history, neglecting the many contributing factors, including losses, financial miscalculations and outright failure. Restorative justice is as opportunistic as the slavery option exercised centuries ago

@goncalomeneses5611

Жыл бұрын

It is pure nonsense and a hypocrasy.

It's history. And?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

...and "history" isn't a dead thing, but the foundations of our present circumstance. Your foot is part of your body, even if separated by a leg.

@nicholasyong7051

Жыл бұрын

And people should be held accountable and not swept under the rug.

@trulyblessed5254

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasyong7051 Ppl that don’t believe in right or wrong won’t even see themselves as accountable. Ppl eventually are going to have know themselves and understand their own worth.

Surely no-one seriously considers Olusoga to be a real historian. This is utter nonsense from start to finish.

Not funny guys, we all recognized the Key and Peele actor

thanks

If he's a historian, I'm a Dutchman.....

David is literally on the board of the Scott Trust who owns the Guardian media group. Why is he still taking their money if he knew where it originated from? Hypocrisy at its most blinding, what is his agenda???

Thanks for posting.

Close the Guardian?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully, they have chosen a far more constructive path for their publication.

You a house 🏠 though time is AMAZING thanks very much ❤❤❤Paul

David Olusoga being described as a historian is utterly laughable.

The only dialogue that should be happening is about cutting checks.

Nuance. That's the only time you'll encounter that concept in these comments. Now, let the ignorance begin in 3, 2, 1 . . . Go!

Great insight

Oh dear…

Hardly obscure I was taught this at school .

@johnpryce2011

Жыл бұрын

@Michelle Norris Back in the day it was standard .

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

Жыл бұрын

@Michelle Norris Why do you think that. I wen't to school in the sixties and learnt all that. It was pretty standard stuff.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@fritzwrangle-clouder6033 Did you learn that there were big carve-outs from the Slavery Abolition Act that allowed slavery to continue in Brittan's Eastern colonies? - including 10-20 million in India alone- a country that was the largest economy on Earth for most of the preceding 2000 years... until the Raj?

@johnpryce2011

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun No I learned that from my library it wasn't hard to find in plain sight .

@johnpryce2011

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun Aye but it's dog eat dog even in today's rich India.

"This Just In"...only a few centuries late.

Had no intentions to negotiate with reality. Seen the email. How is the other Harvard biz school doing, Brosio?

Eric Williams’ book: Capitalism and Slavery

Thank you for this it's so important.We were not taught this in schools. The connections between our industrial world and slavery. Massive estates, huge country houses. All built on Slavery or indentured labour, starvation, and poverty. Why is it that we cannot except the history of our past ? A change to make the future a better place. Thank you again.

@cerneuffington2656

Жыл бұрын

Olusoga is a dangerous left-wing activist and his books are full of misinformation. He is causing ill feeling and resentment in our children, by telling lies 🙁

@gregoryjames165

Жыл бұрын

Past was past. That was the way of the world then. The Capitalist Oligarchs who own and control the media and academia want you to focus on past injustices rather than present day ones caused by their greed.

@Thrill_Hou

Жыл бұрын

@Phil why does the truth upset you?

What is the restorative justice movement?

Congrats

2 things can be true at the same time Very 1984. 🤔

any History that more the 150 years ago...is just that, History, there nothing to be negotiated with

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Says you. In the real world, interest and impacts compound, resound into the present, a continuity. That's what we are saddled with, and what folks with more care than you are working to confront.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

Really? So you’ll be fine with getting rid of the statues and other white historical “heroes”.

@cmg1819

Жыл бұрын

Slavery was abolished in 1807 in the UK. Over 200 years ago. Everyone associated with it is bones and dust. There is no slavery of that kind in the UK so there's nothing to confront. If you care so much why not go to the middleast where its rife and try and make a difference.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@cmg1819 We talk about our history of slavery primarily for several reasons- because we haven't accounted for and reconciled the impacts, because we have agency over ourselves, not country X, because of who we want to be NOW, and, by extension, what we want our present world to be. What credibility can we have advocating for contemporary abolition when we refuse to confront the consequences of slavery in our own countries? Contrary to your suggestion, British involvement in slavery did not end in 1807 with the Abolition Act. Of course, you don't really care about that, do you?

Botanical garden to bonsai

As a mixed black person I really don't understand the point of this... I find it suspicious and off-putting, disingenuine even... We know slavery happened/ is happening, but I don't care how previous generations got their wealth. I just don't think they're solving anyone's problem today by trying to manipulate society with this.

@SomeFeen

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@ncubesays

Жыл бұрын

While you may not understand the point of it, I do. Britain stood out among European states in its willingness to appease slave owners, and to burden future generations of its citizens with the responsibility of paying for it. Most current British tax payers have contributed to this and it's prudent to know who the recipients were, examples included in this video. Today, evading the question of British slave legacies takes the form of celebratory national narratives about British abolition, and in the nervous reflex of switching the topic and not detailing what preceded this. Only in recent years is the full narrative being explored. On the flip side, whilst Britain has prospered, nations affected by slavery have become the largest centres of predatory lending, orchestrated by the IMF and World Bank, as well as by European and American banks. Just imagine a scenario where slave compensation had actually gone to these nations instead of individual slave owners. This is a worthwhile exercise as your British taxes footed the bill.

@robbieshand6139

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Exactly this. I dunno about you but I am getting so bored of the cultural guilt we keep getting heaped upon us over the crimes of previous centuries. We have have enough problems to fix with our current world without trying to fix the problems of worlds long since passed too. Slavery was bad and it made us rich - am I meant to feel ashamed? Because it also ended 150 years before I was born. For most of the history of civilisation, slavery was the default state of being for most people, most of the time. Yes we profited from slavery, as every great power has throughout the ages, but we also put an end to slavery for something like a quarter of the world's population. The Royal Navy even blockaded Western Africa and South America to force other nations to give up slavery. Few countries ever get to hold the reins of world power and when we did, we put an end to the practice (eventually) not just for ourselves but across the globe - how many nations can say that? So enough of the white guilt please, I've had my fill.

@Walmart1

Жыл бұрын

You are a mixed black person! That should be your FIRST clue. You are nothing but a self hater to disregard the struggles of your ancestors. In fact, I have more respect towards any living organism than people like you. I conclude by saying that you are NOT part of us. Go please your agendas.

@trulyblessed5254

Жыл бұрын

🙄

To blame sons for their fathers’ sins is stupidity in the extreme.

@NeverRubARhubarb

Жыл бұрын

Right. But if a bank robber gave his son the stolen money should the son be able to keep it?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

This isn't about "blame", but accountability, credibility, and restitution.

@johnwilson5637

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun "Restitution" being the key word here. Grifters looking for free handouts.

@SDRockman

Жыл бұрын

@@NeverRubARhubarb If a murderer has a son, is he also guilty?

@NeverRubARhubarb

Жыл бұрын

@@SDRockman That's a false equivalency.

👍

In the future,, we'll be judged for buying t-shirts made by people working for less than 50 EUR per month...

Imagine just now discovering the connection between slavery, cotton and textile mills. Some big brains at work here. The point of course as he said so himself is: "it will never be enough" "an un-payable debt" "restorative justice movement.... a process that is ongoing". Are other societies meant to feel guilty for things that happened hundreds of years ago? The modern day relatives of the Mongolian Khans, the Aztecs, the Ottoman Empire, the slavers of North and West Africa etc. ?

@MsSchiek

Жыл бұрын

Just like with the British Empire and India, not addressing wrongdoing is wrong even if it will never be enough. Actually, setting a price would be the exact false thing, you would actually pay for the crimes, so they become legal in a way and part of a simple transaction.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@MsSchiek By your non-logic, the entire civil court system is not but an endorsement of crime!

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@Phil-cl9ce Your "they/us" grievance is synthetic. You haven't been attacked by The Guardian- that's just something you made up.

@welovecheshirecats4557

Жыл бұрын

@@MsSchiek The british addressed their "wrongdoings" by abolishing slavery globally. Buying slaves from Black Africans wasn't a crime, hasnt been since ancient Egypt. It became a crime in the 1830s

@tuckwatsellers

Жыл бұрын

But today we have institutional racism in the Metropolitan Police. Where did that come from?

😊

Informative, thoughtful and fair-minded piece. ❤

@maxb9315

Жыл бұрын

?

i hope everyone listens & learns

@maxisussex

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I listened and eye-rolled.

@nickssurplus

Жыл бұрын

@@maxisussex Mine too

@benfisher1376

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@tcrijwanachoudhury

Жыл бұрын

@@maxisussex you guys never listen... :/

No, should not be at the centre. It's part of the past and we must learn from that not try to compensate it.

Is the Guardian also going to apologise for initially giving the 2019 miniseries Chernobyl 3 out of 5 stars?

What about the Romans, the Greeks not just the British. Pakistan still have 2 million + as slaves. I am not for slavers, think it was appalling that this happened but it was not only the British.

@1midnightfish

Жыл бұрын

What about whataboutery? Everyone should take responsibility for themselves, that applies to entities as well as individuals. Nevermind what others do or used to do - they can deal with that. For a country like the UK, constantly lecturing the rest of the world - with or without bombs - about "values" that is particularly important. Ditto for a newspaper like The Guardian.

@aquariuscheers9191

Жыл бұрын

Smh.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Let the Roman news paper publishers account for their own role in the slave trade- same for any else. Kudos for The Guardian deciding who they want to be, what they want to do to make that happen.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

How about you take accountability for your nation’s crime and leave it at that. Stop pointing fingers, when your own nation hasn’t atoned for theirs.

@cmg1819

Жыл бұрын

​@@1midnightfish the UK abolished slavery in 1807.

Mansa Musa, perhaps the richest man in history who took 12,000 slaves on his hajj.... silence. Portugal taking almost twice as many slaves from Africa as Britain... silence. Arab slavery... silence. Modern slavery... silence. Dave is a bit picky about the slavery he thinks counts.

I still reread his “Black and British: A Forgotten History” one of the best books I’ve ever read

David has a new book to sell.

@exiled2home

Жыл бұрын

Of course he does.

@claireglendenning1

Жыл бұрын

And? It’s his career.

@barrieroberts75

Жыл бұрын

And like his television series it will be very interesting, a star amongst the dros and rubbish on the BBC

@colincampbell4261

Жыл бұрын

And you havn't!

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

Would that be because that’s his job I wonder? 🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄 🤡

Why are we still talking about slavery against black people as if it is still a problem in the west? As a black person, I am honestly tired of hearing about it and would like people's energy to go into CURRENT ISSUES.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Because past is predicate to our present circumstance. FYI: slavery IS still a problem in the West- perform a little research - you'll be shocked.

@KaseyMoore

Жыл бұрын

​@@mavigogun why isn't more effort put in talking about modern day slavery rather than this irrational guilt from ancestors hundreds of years ago.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@KaseyMoore So, let me get this straight: your concern is that The Guardian isn't talking about slavery enough? - and that you want The Guardian to stop talking about their history of being the beneficiary of slavery, because you reckon doing so prevents them from reporting on that other slavery? You know that's not how words work, right? They don't get used up. When The Guardian reports on Brexit, they aren't doing so at the expence of considering slavery, or nuclear war, or anthrogenic climate change. It makes no sense. What does is that you just don't want the results of slavery discussed at all. Not that you care, but were The Guardian to not clean their own house, what credibility would they have reporting on any contemporary slavery impacts? "Who are you to tell us not to use child labor- you never accounted for your business being built on slavery." This is the noise wrong doers use to distract from their behavior- of course, you knew that already.

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

Because the current problems come from the crime of the transatlantic slave trade. A slave trade we still know very little about in terms of all that went on, never mind the repercussions of all that went on. If you were really blk, you’d know that.

@lewis1544

Жыл бұрын

@@KaseyMoore Because he is a professional victim and wants to be given money. He doesn't care about actual current slavery.

#NeverForget. Thank you for researching and documenting.

Now do the African kings.

Honest of Graun to take this on board. The podcast series in essential listening. However I still cant get my head around the fact that Mr Olusoga actually took an OBE. The British Empire was built on slavery and brutality. Hypocrisy!

Wonder what took them so long? Why today? We have a large Gullah Geechee community here in the US, there’s even a children’s show called Gullah Gullah Island that teaches kids about the basics & the community.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Probably the same reason as everywhere else: they finally hired the right people.

Thank you. Because of your hard and unstinting work, I now make the connections. Slavery is interwoven in the fabric of Britain, every thread.

@welovecheshirecats4557

Жыл бұрын

Derrrr, and Africa and the ME and Asia etc etc.

@Marvin-dg8vj

Жыл бұрын

So British is like most regions of the world then.

Milli Vanilli ?

Can someone explain why such a focus is made on black slavery when just about every race has been through slavery in the past (e.g. Whites in the Ottoman era)?

@tvs9978

Жыл бұрын

Because you dont make the effort to talk about it. Produce your own documentaries

Better than the New York Times and their historical influences, at least the Guardian is doing something in at least admiting this.

@shagherwell

Жыл бұрын

Hi, what's the New York Times historical influences? Thanks

This is peak self flagellation. Curious from a psychological perspective.

Send to every school in the UK.

Thank you for direct reporting with restorative intent!

Thank you for the self awareness. Now... we shall see...

@Cobalt1520

Жыл бұрын

see what?

Shut the guardian down

Uncomfortable truths.

I’m sure Guardian readers will love having a whip round for reparation’s. Make sure to get a few quid from the African who sold the slaves initially.

@colincampbell4261

Жыл бұрын

You're not well informed, are you?

@colincampbell4261

Жыл бұрын

You're not well informed, are you?

@philmulrooney7020

Жыл бұрын

@@colincampbell4261 please educate me Colin.

@topskek9786

Жыл бұрын

​@@colincampbell4261where's the lie

@jimbocrispy6908

Жыл бұрын

@@colincampbell4261 Are you seriously denying the existent of black on black slavery in Africa?

Two facts in life, Death , and you can't change the past.....but Dave needs to sell his books i guess.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Is this what you said to your wife when she caught you cheating?

@HeartBreakHigh

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun … cheating with a man! 😂 I think she may have had a lot more to say! 😂 Then decided he’d done her a favour, so she chipped on the fastest transport she could get on and Now she’s living her best life! 😂..somewhere else….🤣😂..with a real man! 😂🤣😂. Oh my! It’s David! 🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣

Deep respect to Prof. David Olusoga for his important research work. The stark reality was that racism -- racial superiority -- underpinned much of Western colonialism, Including British colonialism. The Guardian could begin to make real amends for what its original owners did by championing the cause for the UK to pay reparations to the ex-colonies. It is easy to feign out of sight, out of mind, but the truth is that much of modern Britain was built on the blood of those from the former colonies. Never forget.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

Case in point: India was the world's largest economy before the British showed up. What happened to Brittan after that?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@Phil-cl9ce "Out of nothing"- what a complete fiction. Of course, you know that- your purpose here is only to provoke, not to understand.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@Phil-cl9ce

@vatsmith8759

Жыл бұрын

Rubbish, the Empire was built on trade, not racism.

@tvs9978

Жыл бұрын

Those from the former colonies who then got the benefit of moving to Britain, becoming British citizens, earning an income from British companies and passing on generational wealth to their kids and grandkids who are now British businessmen, MPs, professionals etc and have had the benefit of a free education and worldclass free Healthcare services?

Human history, our history inevitably show that we are just greedy creature. And just Johny Harris has discovered that even our modern economy is built upon that. And it's time to realize and learn and forgive and sit together.

@JP-sm4cs

Жыл бұрын

When is history is centred around those who seize wealth and power I imagine it's easy for people to think that way. But it is nonetheless a lie.

Beautiful imagery & sound design

Having both Jamaican and Barbados ancestry it’s almost unbelievable to not have had this part of our history told during our school years, we didn’t even learn about those that came from the commonwealth after the 2nd world war to help rebuild. The huge integral part that my ancestors played in the wealth and establishment of the Great Britain of today was completely ignored. History is a great way of learning about our past but I feel it also gives an insight into the people of today. Well done David great video please continue to shine a light on these historical facts and omissions.

@johnnicol64

Жыл бұрын

This has been taught in UK schools for decades.

@PedrSion

Жыл бұрын

The People on the Empire Windrush in July 1948 were not invited to come to the UK. They were responding to an advert in the Daily Gleaner that was advertising cheap passages to the UK. Google “daily gleaner advert 1948”

David. Instead of just talking about historical colonialism and racism, why don't you use your platforms to speak up for Palestine? Your silence over this settler state's genocide is deafening. History will remember all who did nothing.

So glad that the Guardian is facing up to their history, even so shameful. Honesty is vital and also impressed you have David Olusoga articulating what steps can be made in restorative justice.

@problemofcommons775

Жыл бұрын

Should we sanction african/arab nations who still participate in slavery today or just focus on what happened 100's of years ago?

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@problemofcommons775 "Quick! Change the subject to somebody else- ANYBODY ELSE - just stop talking about responsibility!" -said every racist, ever.

@mavigogun

Жыл бұрын

@@clivet3252 ...said the heckler.

@doriancoleman6020

Жыл бұрын

Lol!!!!

@problemofcommons775

Жыл бұрын

@@mavigogun I no, dont notice whats going on at PRESENT, lets focus on a 100s of years ago. Leftwing logic

Yes Slavery is part of Britians history but wasn't it the same everywhere? Should we hold the Africans that sold their people to the Europeans responsible? I just don't see the point in this when everyone around the world was doing it.

@Operator-Six

Жыл бұрын

No it’s not