David Mitchell: Politics is ruining comedy | Full Disclosure
David Mitchell told Full Disclosure with James O'Brien that politics is ruining comedy and he's worried about making political jokes.
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Whether he knows it or not, David Mitchell is paraphrasing one of my favorite mantras, which is Oscar Wilde’s “A man who always tells the truth never has to remember what he said”
@nazirkazi2588
2 жыл бұрын
It's probably most certainly likely David Mitchell doesn't know he's paraphrasing one of your favourite mantras.
@michaelfradley6950
2 жыл бұрын
@@nazirkazi2588 I mean to say he might've been paraphrasing Oscar Wilde, but thanks for the pedantry.
@TheKamikazenaz
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfradley6950 If you don't like pedantry, do allow me to steer you clear of that comedian David Mitchell.
@michaelfradley6950
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKamikazenaz ah, but see, when he does it, it's funny ☺
@Tad1945
2 жыл бұрын
Look what year this was uploaded.
Political correctness is ruining comedy.
@terriblyvexed58
4 жыл бұрын
You should watch 'Extinction Rebellion White Guy With Dreadlocks - Leo Kearse' if you haven't already. Funny Guy, not PC.
The irony of this is that when Dave talks of sincerity Jimmy contorts his face in faux laughter. Genius Mr. M.
@craigk621
3 жыл бұрын
@Iranian Bob that's easy for you to say 😋
An Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman walked into a bar ***CENSORED***
Count Dankula's pooch did nothing wrong !
People are missing the point he's making. He's allowed to make fun of politics, but that offends people now. Just like what some people here are commentating. You're the sort of people he's talking about, Left or Right.
@colinbaker3916
4 жыл бұрын
Scuntly Shhh. You can’t make sensible comments on here. You’re only supposed to make sneering remarks attacking David Mitchell, James O’Brien, leftists and how comedy isn’t funny because it doesn’t reflect your world view.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Colin Baker Ha. So true.
Media is to blame for this too. Politicising everything.
i can't watch anything on tv nowadays...it only provokes eye-roll after eye-roll
@stevedoughty1941
4 жыл бұрын
Stephen...it provokes a lot of choice language from me...they love telling us don't they!
@nazirkazi2588
2 жыл бұрын
You'll like Mrs. Brown's Boys
They irony of this interview is that the reason comedy of this kind is dying is exactly because of people like O'Brien.
@mrmegachonks3581
4 жыл бұрын
This.
@xzzyyy4686
4 жыл бұрын
Bang on brother
@chrissammels5444
4 жыл бұрын
Strongly agree. The wish to be miserable runs through O'Brien and the Opposition front bench. They can't laugh at anything which they say themselves. It makes what they are saying deeply unattractive.
@alphamikeomega5728
4 жыл бұрын
...for example?
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
""rekord label" Explain
Comedians "Are we the baddies?" SJW's "Yes"
@ThunderChunky101
4 жыл бұрын
Most of them are SJW's.
@wroot1
4 жыл бұрын
Lol brilliant
@hajobo2003
4 жыл бұрын
SJWs dont exist
@ThunderChunky101
4 жыл бұрын
@@hajobo2003 Eh?
David Mitchell... Seriously, he's sitting right there across the table from you and he is exactly the sort of person responsibly for the death of comedy. James O'Brien is the epitome of what you are describing and you didn't say boo.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
So O’Brien, who has nothing to do with the comedy scene is responsible for the death of comedy, which hasn’t actually happened. Please explain how.
@johnline
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 your level of thought is beneath our time
@chiffmonkey
4 жыл бұрын
That's Mitchell's genius. He understands that the position with the most power is the court jester. His recent BBC interview on his new book is the proof, because he fully admits to a willingness to fall on his proverbial sword to prove a point.
@azulk955
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnline you can't back up your argument...
@rakadoni8403
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnline pshh
No. people thinking that other peoples politics is comedy, is ruining comedy and offence warriors and cancel culture, who are on the side of the people who think other peoples politics is comedy, is ruining comedy, . soooo
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Politics and political satire has a proud tradition in this country going back centuries in various forms . It’s a useful tool in holding our politicians to account, no matter what side of the political spectrum you’re sat on. Why can’t politics be a subject for humour, it often ends up engaging people in politics, and surely a more informed voting public is better than an apathetic, ignorant one??
It's evident that politics isn't just ruining comedy it's running comedy.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Nah, politics is a business, people will pay to watch who they like, left or right. Political satire has a long and proud tradition in this country, and it isn’t going anywhere.
One of the funniest guys ever, peepshow = a1 comedy
Ironic how he's saying this on Job's podcast
So funny saying this truth on O’Brien’s show. I think everyone’s noticing the irony.
@selloutsam.
3 жыл бұрын
@Iranian Bob maybe, but he’s definitely funnier than you.
@splaffyduck5787
Жыл бұрын
division and culture wars is driven far more by the right than the left in the UK. In that context someone like O'brien is more a symptom of it than an instigator - he just responds to inflammatory things being said by people on the right, typically from a logical and humanitarian point of view
At no point did he say whats on the title
our world has changed. What's happened to the country I grew up in?
@frazerduncan356
4 жыл бұрын
The radical left ruined it with it's social tyranny.
@hejla4524
4 жыл бұрын
Gone, thanks in part to Thatcher and Blair and it's not coming back.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Frazer Duncan The left aren’t in power you halfwit.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
John Willis What do you miss? By anything that is measurable our average standards of living have vastly improved over the last 100 years.
@johnwillis9534
4 жыл бұрын
nick260682 I used to be allowed an opinion without being demonised by the self appointed censors from sjw’s
He raises some great points.
Unhappy people are easier to manipulate.... Just saying😐
I grew up in a time when it was not illegal to laugh. People born in these times will not believe that laughing was possible.
James takes comfort by laughing at his own jokes. It compensates for the echo. Despite his jumper, he always fails to be a 'knit wit'. He really is a loathsome and toady like slime.
Ironically, he ends this part of the interview with a political joke. 😊
@john.premose
4 ай бұрын
How was it political? It's just a fact. Cope, Bojo fanboy.
@j.vonhogen9650
4 ай бұрын
@@john.premose- This is a 4yr old thread! I'm not going to rewatch that video just to be able to answer your question, sorry. B.T.W. what do you mean by "Bojo"? I have no idea, really. Does it refer to the former UK PM (who is just a horrible man who is personally responsible for escalating the war in Ukraine by shutting down any form of diplomacy/peace talks in the early days of the conflict)? If so, you should know that I'm not even a fan of the UK, let alone a fan of that failed PM Boris J./warmonger, so I'd suggest you stop the name calling.
@john.premose
4 ай бұрын
@@j.vonhogen9650 yes, that's who i mean
@j.vonhogen9650
4 ай бұрын
@@john.premose- Right, and now you know that I loathe that man, which means you were barking up the wrong tree. Name-calling creates division where there isn't any, so let's not do that anymore, OK?
Our Government have done a fantastic job at dividing us... and like sheep, we all fell for it, hook line and sinker.
Politics is ruining comedy and comedy is ruining politics. At least within the UK we are far to conceded with entertaining politics and politicians rather than competence.
I hope David Mitchell loses and goes all Bill Hicks on us.....
Totally agree
Maybe it’s bad comedians that are ruining comedy?. 🤔
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Comedy being “ruined” is obviously subjective, but if we take attendances to comedy shows, the figures are through the roof. Comedy is in rude health.
And O'Brien epitomizes this 'Lefty' Triggered, Political Correctness.....
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Not really. Mitchell’s comedy is largely left leaning. Why would O’Brien be triggered by it? It’s more the classic right wing snowflake triggered boomer like you that cries all the time cos no one thinks Jim Davidson is funny any more.
@spacefertilizer
3 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 all sides have contributed to this mess. No need to find scapegoats.
I swear I can't watch any comedy that's nothing but politics, more political commentary and monologues then actual funny content
The stakes are very different to 10 years ago, its globalism vs nationalism not some inner country bickering
I've read plenty of uninformed opinion pieces from David Mitchell in the Guardian to know he isn't informed on the truth on many things. Do love his comedy though and he certainly isn't as aggressive with his views as much as the rest of the UK comedy circuit.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Such as?
Partly it may be that people are unhappy to laugh at jokes not in line with their political opinions but it may also be that the nature of the comedy has changed. In the 80s you could do a joke about Mrs Thatcher being a bit barmy and everyone, even Conservative voters, could laugh. In the 2010s some comedians are more likely to joke about how Brexit voters are all c**ts or all Daily Mail readers. The comedy is crueller and cruder, and the target has changed from the politicians to the voters.
The problem is the constant bias even at the end there they have to get a sly jab in at boris
@Mr_Lo_
4 жыл бұрын
I got the impression that James is interpreting hidden messaging in the column. He is obviously part of the problem.
@hejla4524
4 жыл бұрын
Noticed that too, kind of invalidated everything he just said.
He's basically saying there is a lot to joke about with the marxist influence of Labour but he doesn't want to hurt his career. Monty Python did socialist, communist and marxist sketches many years ago Can't do it anymore, strange.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
It would be odd to do comedy about Marxism when it isn’t relevant. I can’t think of any prominent Marxist politicians. People do comedy about relevant stuff thats current. Name me a prominent Marxist politician in the UK and explain how their policies are Marxist.
@playboxcasual8319
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 let us know if/when you watch it
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
PlayBoxCasual Watch what? I’ve watched monty python many times.
@playboxcasual8319
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 the link I provided in my original response
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
PlayBoxCasual I don’t see it
Oi clean shirt!
Political comedy is the lowest hanging fruit but blame O'Brien & his ilk that cancel culture exists at all.
Grow some. Should be the other way round
This is what happens when you life in a religious society, whose religion is the woke religion. Much the same thing happens in iran and egypt etc.
James O’Brien is the absolute epitome of what Mitchell is explaining. He’s about as useful as an inflatable dart board.
@splaffyduck5787
Жыл бұрын
hmm, are you one of the people that calls in to JoB trying to explain why Brexit has allowed us the freedom to buy better dishwashers or some other 💩 and made a complete 🤡 of yourself?
I feel sorry for James O'Brien. To be burdened with the knowledge that he alone amongst the worlds population is 100% right on everything he thinks and says must be a terrible curse. I suspect writing his book about always being right in a world gone wrong was very cathartic. It certainly wasn't narcissistic at all.
James O’Brien is one of those who want to cause the divide. Peep show was about unity through entertainment, People like O’Brien make a living from causing and enforcing the divide.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Give me an example of O’Brien “enforcing” a divide.
@Chris-oz9qx
4 жыл бұрын
nick260682 leave and remain, calling people who disagree “gammon” which immediately puts a divide in place , writing a book called “how to be right in a world gone wrong” which again shows his arrogance. Need I go on?
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Chris Yes. You’ve not given me one example of “enforcing”.
@Chris-oz9qx
4 жыл бұрын
nick260682 if you mean enforcing in a physical sense then of course James O’Brien is incapable of that, but you most certainly can “enforce “ through media manipulation....after all, that’s how Farage did it.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Chris You can’t enforce without either physical or legal power. Perhaps you mean influence?
I agree with David on this one. Didn't we used to stick on comedy shows when we wanted to escape from things like politics? I've slowly lost interest in American late night shows for this exact reason.
@Chango98
4 жыл бұрын
US late night is abysmal for comedy now. It's just "donald trump bad" *canned laughter*
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Psychachu [ official ] Comedy has often been about politics for decades. We have a proud tradition of satire in this country, and it’s often how we call out our politicians for their behaviour in a way that amuses and engages the average person. There are plenty of non political comedians. Watch them.
@psychachu
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 I appreciate satire, but when it's saturated through every single comedy show, its a little depressing.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Psychachu [ official ] It isn’t every comedy show.
>Everyone saying JOB is guilty of this >No-one giving examples of how he is 🤔🤔🤔
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
I know, this must’ve been shared on 4chan or something. All the angry right wing virgins are out in force on this comment thread.
@alphamikeomega5728
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 A lot of videos of him have people complaining (perhaps fairly) that he's too condescending when he jokes about silly things callers have said. Ironic.
I thank the world that I've been blessed, with more than our share of 'fattiness'
I have no problem with jokes on TV channels and radio shows I no longer listen too. I just don't want to pay for them anymore.
"Political Correctness and Hyper Polarisation has ruined comedy" fix it for you LBC
O'Brien trying to piggyback David's wit - cringeworthy.
David Mitchell is one of the funniest comedians on tv...next t Lee Mack....most of the other so called comedians are just not funny at all!
Irony is O'Brian is precisely the kind of modern day Mary Whitehouse who will happily ban un-pc comedians who don't push his chosen narrative
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Give me an example of a comedian he’s tried to ban.
@seroeth
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 That's a deviation from the point being made. Nice try tho
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Guy Incognito No it’s literally what you said. He “will happily ban un-pc comedians”. Who has he happily banned, or even tried to ban? You said it mate, just wondering which comedians you were referring to.
@seroeth
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 I also called him a modern day Mary Whitehouse, it doesn't mean I think he's a woman. Nice try tho, better luck next time
I don’t mind comedians doing jokes about politics but not all the time. Like you see with Russell Howard for example it just stops being funny and becomes repetitive.
Can someone explain who James O’Brien is to me please lol?
What do you get if you cross James O'Brien with Sheila Fogarty? A bigger target for milkshakes. Let's keep 'fattism' in comedy. Otherwise, the game is over.
I recall when Newcastle United fans would through Mars bars onto the pitch when 'Gazza' was playing and cheer him up with a subtle rendition of "Who ate all the pies" in order to guide him in life and yet he appeared to have ignored the sage advice of his adoring and supportive public. Whatever happened to the choral strains of, "You fat b+stard, your fat b=stard" from off pitch well wishers heard from yesteryear? No wonder obesity has skyrocketed. We need our people to re-engage with 'fatties' to avoid a national disaster.
Ten years ago people laughed because it was all still fictional, imaginary, satirical. Now your old jokes are reality and isn't quite so funny anymore.
ruining comedy? comedy is already dead in britain, any so called comedy around now is truly pathetic.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
ravenhill of darkmere † 1968 Which comedians did you find funny before the “death”?
@ravenhill_firelord_1968
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 les dawson, cannon and ball, hale and pace, bernard manning.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
ravenhill of darkmere † 1968 So basically you like comedy where intelligence is optional?
He ended up with a nasty attack on the character of the Prime Minister and his private life after whinging that people no longer find him funny. Surprise, surprise!
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Why is it nasty?
The problem with political jokes is that they're over done and usually quite lazy, relying on people thinking "I agree so it's funny". Another issue is that all the comedians that make it into this country's mainstream are of the same political leaning which is boring (among other things).
Left wing politics *
The NHS should be recruiting active fattists. Jimmy Carr provides assistance - "My GF asked me to tease her. I said, 'Alright fatty'" [I prefer the spelling of 'fattie' to avoid any negative preconceptions]
The snowflake generation have killed comedy in this country,and taken away the great British tradition of laughing at just about anything. HOW sad we all have become.
This guy is at the front of right-on political lefty BBC 'humour'.
More people are more political nowadays. I guess it’s because it’s become so important and that there are people like O Brian who continually make a political broadcast on behalf of Cobynski
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
It rather shows what (little) you know - O’Brien has a go at Corbyn pretty much daily on his show. Some of Corbyns close advisors referred to O’Brien as Corbyns biggest critic. Try not to be so thick in future.
Mitchell would love to be funny.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Yes because that’s why he’s had such a poor career - no one finds him funny. Oh. I forgot about the very successful and varied career both writing and performing he’s had and is still having because of all the people that like him. Silly us.
@douglashelliwell3347
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 Oh the Irony?
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Douglas Helliwell Not sure you understand irony
@douglashelliwell3347
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 not sure you understand comedy? Watch Peter Kay, say no more eh?
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Douglas Helliwell just as I thought
I've noticed that if it's not woke - its not comedy material and if it it's not allowable comedy material , we dont see it in the mainstream media I used to adore the rants in David Mitchells' comedic style on the likes of panel shows like "Would I Lie to You" - on mainstream TV. There are Echos of Davids style in the Jonathan Pie character on KZread (although courser) where Tom Walker explores the idiocy and hypocrisy of both left and right politics, even though Tom is a centre left socialist, he will still rant about the Labour Party for instance. It is the media who have curtailed comedy, not the comedians, and it is the mainstream media who are policing Right Speak and slanting the narrative in discourse, debate and destroying comedy, and the ability to become and remain a comedian
Ita what yoy dont say that speaks volumes.socialism is not funny at all.
"Politics is ruining comedy" and then instantly goes and has a dig at the Prime Minister. Yeah sure Mitchell, we believe your sincerity.
@Red__Law
4 жыл бұрын
Well done for proving his point. Having a dig at the PM never used to make people defensive and angry, but here we are.
@larrye3602
4 жыл бұрын
He’s right about the current milieu but doesn’t appear to be aware that he is part of an elite whose funny is the mockery of those outside of it.
@hejla4524
4 жыл бұрын
@@larrye3602 Exactly.
1:25 "...let's leave the political stuff..." 2:37 "...Boris johnson..." David unwittingly uncovers the root of his problem without even realising that he's done so.
Radio 4 , BBC 1 and 2 , channel 4 comedy shows all left wing
You cannot say anything these days .😕
"If you're 'fattie' and you know it, clap your hands [if you can], if you're 'fattie' and you know it, clap your hands [if you can], if you're 'fattie' and you know it, but for goodness sake don't show it, if you're 'fattie' and you know it change your ways". Thank goodness for active 'fattism' in our society. We can help so many 'fatties' see the light beyond the heavy temptations.
I didn't realise David Mitchel was a comedian
Comedy has become saturated by left wing opinions. The truth is we're bored of it David.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
You are bored with it is very different from “we”. The so called “leftie” comedians on BBC and Channel4 are selling out enormous arenas, comedy attendance is through the roof. People love it. You’re just stuck in the 70s.
@nick260682
3 жыл бұрын
Peace Dweller I didn’t say they didn’t.
You can't appear on as many BBC panel shows as DM does AND be funny.
The reason we don't laugh at your jokes now David Mitchell is because they are all one sided. If you mixed it up and actually made jokes about liberals/leftists once in a while, we'd be more inclined to find you funny. I used to watch most of the comedy panel shows before Brexit (HIGNFY, Mock The Week etc) but now I don't bother because having watched them, I found they were all one sided, and all against those that aren't in your liberal cult. And also, one only has to read your articles on The Guardian to realise your 'politics is ruining comedy' argument here is one of your own making.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Pandemonium You blatantly haven’t read his columns in the guardian.
Translation - ‘I would like to make jokes about the current Labour Party but I do not wish to be attacked by the legions of followers who cannot be even slightly objective in any manner whatsoever’
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
I think you need to work on your English language translations.
If stand up comedians repeated much of the work they produced ten years ago today, many would be arrested for hate speech. Blame identity politics, SJW and the loony left.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, all the soundbites there. What kind of thing are we talking about here? Which comedians from 10 years ago? What sort of thing would they be arrested for in today’s society?
I do hope that my view on 'fattie' jokes doesn't give James [aka 'Captain Backfire'] a new cause to latch on to. After all, my mother in law was so fat, she used to kick start jumbo jets as a hobby. We should not normalise fatties into our society. We need to encourage their weight loss by making them laugh at themselves. We can exercise their 'chuckle muscles' like Ken Dodd advocated for all. It will probably be the only exercise that 'fatties' will ever get and fattie jokes should be prescribed on the NHS.
Let us assist the likes of Jo Brand, Sarah Millican, Nick Ferrari, Sheila Fogarty and David Mitchel's 'fattie' wife with our volunteered time devoted to pointing out the obvious through the artistic medium of comedy. Let us all laugh together as we charitably assist 'fatties'. Support 'active fattism' in comedy before it's banned by our liberal intelligentsia.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Why you so obsessed with fatties?
@austenj4539
4 жыл бұрын
@@nick260682 I am obesed with fatties because our pavements cannot cope both in width and substrate foundations. It will bankrupt our nation to widen our footpaths and to strengthen the substrates. Fatties are a menace and their individual taxes should be raised to pay for their additional cost.
@nick260682
4 жыл бұрын
Austen J Yeah fair point. I mean more NHS I was thinking of, but I guess pavements too. But why on this video?
David Mitchell is ruining comedy!
Boris Johnson isn’t lying, he is just bending the truth 😂😂