Why are people so against physical media?? Wtf people! It's obvious what the problems with downloading our why can't people just wrap their minds around it

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

No idea, man. No idea....

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I import my CDs into my digital library. I can play them in my car via bluetooth. Apple lets you mix your personal library with your streaming “library”. At home, I still play CDs and records all the time.

@scottarivett496

6 ай бұрын

Because they’re gen Z losers

@barryclay9084

6 ай бұрын

Lazy people. Everything is instantaneously available.

I have this album on Apple Music, it’s still there because I bought it.. before I learned you can just pay 10.99 a month and have millions of albums in your file.. when I had to shut the subscription down, all my playlists and albums I added were gone , but this album and the other 30 plus albums I actually bought are still there …

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

You bought it on iTunes and it remains in your library. But the album is definitely not on Apple Music to stream. Still, I would rather have a physical copy because I don’t really trust Apple

@toddprater14

6 ай бұрын

@@Thedarkstuff yeah I’m late to all the streaming gig. 54-Gen x… have about 300 dvd and about same of cds.. don’t really pull out any of them anymore… I definitely still buy dvds as some you can’t rent anywhere and if I rent it more than once I’m gonna purchase it for my library… I remember buying music and movies about twice a month back in the 90’s and 2000’s … I bought over 45 albums on Apple Music before some told me about just pay the monthly fee and you can load all you want…lol… your right on not trusting the digital aspect , cause if a album isn’t laying royalties right Apple will take off that song - perfect example hearts best of from 98’ every song is on there but track 4 - dreamboat Annie… or goo goo dolls dizzy up the girl every track is there but #1- dizzy… pisses me off as I paid for full album.. think I need to complain to them again about I paid for every song put the shit back…. They once eliminated armored saints album - raising fear.. I emailed Apple screaming that I bought this and you can’t take it away - I don’t care if royalties changed and you don’t wanna pay - they put it back up… they did the same to the pixies - greatest hits album and I also got that reloaded… I get the fuk this .. I’ll go old school and physically buy the album…

Funny how DLR doesn't want this to be streaming when LITERALLY I am looking at a full album stream link of it under this video in my playlist on YT.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

That is another problem in the new digital era. Rampant piracy.

The album actually did pretty well, selling over 423,000 in the USA and close to a million worldwide. Also went gold in Canada an close to gold in Japan where Tattoo was a big hit. I find it very disrespectful to Eddie Van Halen to try to erase this album from the history books.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

That is a great number considering it was 2012 and the state of the music business at that time.

Good video and breakdown. I too am a DLR hardcore fan. I was disappointed that ADKOT was removed from Spotify. But like you, I have physical copy and jamb to it whenever I want!

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Thanks for stopping by and watching.

Excellent points. Clearly a flaw in the system. It’s like the law of unintended consequences. Someone who buys a song on a streaming platform should obviously have access to the song permanently or should get their money back when it’s taken off line. I’m am also team Dave btw his podcast is pretty entertaining. It’s like he finally learned the value of editing

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

From what I have been told since the video was published, if you bought a digital track through itunes, you will always have it. But, if you purchased episodes of a TV show or a movie from itunes, it contains DRM elements and can be made unplayable.

So yeah the whole vibe of the album was this hearkening back to the club days etc... those interviews they did with Ed, Al and Dave reminiscing about the old days was the schtick , as if they were all getting reacquainted with each other...mostly fan service stuff I get it... I thought it was a solid record personally... and they sounded pretty good on that tour if ya got Dave on a good night...

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Dave sounded great on the 07 tour - the first reunion tour. He struggled on the post ADKOT touring.

@OzricTentaclesRule

6 ай бұрын

Agree with ya :) @@Thedarkstuff

Another aspect that I've personally run in to is even if I "own" a digital streaming property, even if it's not taken Away, it can be modified from what I originally purchased due to current political or social trends...

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Try owning a digital copy of Star Wars. Every time George Lucas has a thought, some tiny modification happens.

I have the cd, deluxe cd w/acoustic dvd and vinyl. I am happy I got them although I remember feeling like the vinyl was expensive. I've also had some movies that I bought have my access be removed. That super pisses me off so for great music, I create space in my room. Got the DLR Band, too! :)

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I made the mistake of getting rid of a lot of vinyl in the early 90s because I thought I wouldn't need it. I have avoided that mistake with CDs. It's worth it to know I won't wake up one morning and realize some of my favorite albums have just disappeared.

Eddie absolutely shreds on ADKoT and the band breathed new life info those old demos and made them fresh and new.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Agreed 💯

While I am a big digital content owner, I do have it on my own drives - I won't purchase digital items unless I can have them in my possession - I won't do cloud ownership.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Me neither. I was always suspicious of that concept. "The cloud" is just someone else's computer.

You can record anything that plays through your computer and create a near perfect digital copy . You're allowed to record a copy of anything for personal use . When we were kids we'd record tapes off the radio when we loved a track and that was much worse because the quality sucked , the DJ talked and the song ended prematurely . People just can't be bothered to own their own music anymore . OMG If I want to keep this forever I have to click record?? It's like that bit in back to the future 2 when the kids say 'OMG you have to use your hands!!!" after McFly plays the Wild Gunmen arcade game in the 80's store . All those people complaining about their Itunes library that even the most ardent listener would have a hard time filling a $80 4TB HDD yet they're happy to play $50 for a Vinyl record stamped from a digital master ?? People are just lazy and they don't care as much as they like to complain .

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I mean...pretty much.

It's a great album. I can tolerate the couple of tunes i don't care for.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Was it 'Fair Warning'? No. But they're not in their 20s either.

July 25, 2024 - ADKOT is available on Spotify. Just listened to a few tune. Tattoo is a decent enough song.

@Thedarkstuff

24 күн бұрын

It got re-added about a month ago. I guess Dave relented.

I love A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH. It’s not completely VH without Mike, so it’s slightly different, but it’s still a really great solid album.

@Thedarkstuff

4 ай бұрын

I agree totally.

I remember when that VH album came out. I borrowed it at the library and ripped the mp3. Glad I did because it's a good album. Back in the 2010s I bought some digital music from iTunes and they're still available. But it's Apple. If I had bought them somewhere else, probably not. I thought about this recently. There's a couple of great smashing pumpkins albums that are not on streaming. Not sure why not, but I'm glad I got them on cd. I listen to Louis Rossman a lot too. He has some great opinions about that. Physical media is definitely the way to go for serious music and movie fans. They can't take it from you and they can't censor or edit them.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I think few have thought of the consequences of a completely streaming economy. Plus, companies like Spotify are still losing money!

Ty bro for the shout out

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Definitely!

This reminds me of the iTunes i bought 15 years ago i forgot about that.

I bought a CD player boombox yesterday for my painting studio so I can listen to my CDs while painting instead of doing nothing but recycling KZread over and over. (And no, I don't have a "streaming" service like Spotify or whatever. AND I'M NOT GOING TO.) I look on the back of the box and it says stuff about "nostalgia" and "when you're in the mood for the oldies" and that kind of thing. We are living in an age where people who actually want physical copies of music/media are considered elderly geezers. Do you know how many great CDs I've found at Goodwill over the years for $2? What's wrong with people?

@Thedarkstuff

2 ай бұрын

It was the same with vinyl back in the early 90s.

I love Skyscraper so much.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Great record.

The presentation reminds me of the computer on Red Dwarf.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Insightfulness: 3/5 Trolling: 1/5

@larsvontrio

6 ай бұрын

A-ha! Thought so. No trolling intended. I agree, Van Hagar and streaming purchases suck. (Hagar did a cover of 'Heroes', the singing was fine, but he left out the epic third verse, the real meat of the song - concrete evidence that he just doesn't get it).@@Thedarkstuff

I never trusted or purchased digital music. I always buy the CD, then convert to MP3 for digital players.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

That's what I do, too. Or if I buy new vinyl and get a digital download.

Dude! Yes!! The point about the demos! That argument always infuriates me. They are their unreleased songs that they wrote. Do you think any band is writing an album completely from scratch? These people have no nuance as to how art works.

@Thedarkstuff

5 ай бұрын

💯

Cheers brother.

@nolifetilmetal1

6 ай бұрын

totally enjoyed this video. Been saying this for years, even back in the download era. If you don’t have the CD, vinyl, etc. you do not own it.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

@@nolifetilmetal1 Thankfully, more people are finally beginning to realize this.

Good video - well articulated. Thanks!

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Roth made clear, he thinks it sucks. For a creative person to withhold work that sucks is OK. I’m not doubting positive reviews here. Everyone interprets things in their own way. I’m always surprised by how people interpret my music.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Personally, I don't think his holding out is purely for artistic reasons. I think he and (maybe) Alex will use this as a negotiating tool with Warner Bros. It's their only non-WB album. It will be re-issued, it's just a matter of what DLR can extract before he signs off on it.

@crowonawirehome

6 ай бұрын

@@Thedarkstuff comparing the album to Ali’s last three fights ,“they weren’t fun”, would flavor that negotiation. But ya never know.

I had no idea you could “buy” a digital movie and have it taken away from you. I guess it’s the same as software. You don’t own it like you used to, you rent it essentially. And the rules can change any time. I fell into the trap of thinking streaming music would be around for good and it was a huge reason for getting rid of my CDs. Whoops. Weird that Roth doesn’t like that album to the point where he takes it away from his fans. No shortage of drama in the VH camp. Even now. WTF.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

You should check out that Louis Rossmann guy’s channel that I linked to. You’d be surprised how bad it’s gotten.

@gomezthechimp1116

6 ай бұрын

You've never owned any media, only the physical copies. All the content, including that which came out on CDs, DVDs, or vinyl, has always been copyrighted and owned by the artists and production companies.

@lostmixtapes

6 ай бұрын

@@gomezthechimp1116 Sure, but there’s a big difference between having to get a license for a public performance of a DVD you bought and someone completely taking away the download/digital copy you watch in your living room.

Those snippets Dave has from The ballad of Popsicle Sam up to Family therapy are dead spec on 🤟

1:49 I did not understand this criticism. I know someone who thinks it's their best album and has very compelling arguments why.🤙

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I didn't understand it either. Creative people revisit and revise their work all the time.

People are missing the real point. Dave and Alex aren't prepared to pay for lawyers to negotiate a deal when the lawyers will cost more than the returns from the streamers. It sounds like they have explained this to Wolf and Wolf doesn't care. It isn't about how Dave doesn't like the record. He's not going to throw good money after bad. Who would. Dave and Alex know how this game is played. You can keep your ball we aren't playing. Dave especially and Alex were the business savy 2 in the band. Dave and Alex suing a Catholic girls school for non payment and winning. David Lee Roth the man who single handed caused the "Diva requests" by artists who didn't understand the brown M & M clause had a purpose and wasn't Dave being up himself.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

These guys are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Whining about legal fees is just an excuse. It's a leverage ploy with Warner Bros. ADKOT is the only VH album in existence that is not part of Warner Brothers. Eventually, this record will go to Warner, the price of it will be a higher royalty rate on the entire catalog or some other such concession. There is something bigger at play here.

Clocks going to run out on ol Dave sooner or later Not sure where Alex’s share goes but wolfs going to be running it when he’s 50 Cant tel me it don’t piss DLR off with the Sammy era reissues n RSD stuff Wolfie I think gets the last laugh Just got to ride out the clock Then it’s all about his dad n uncle Al n how amazing they were Rewriting history

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Supposedly, Alex is with Dave in not wanting ADKOT out there -- or at least he's interested in paying lawyers to negotiate a deal. Regardless, it's shortsighted thinking. If you wanted to bury a VH record, how about VH3?

@JoelligerentTV

6 ай бұрын

Yeah VHIII could be lost. According to DLR ALs on Daves side n agrees to not renegotiating….Al hasn’t said a thing about a thing in ages though. Talking shit about the guys newphew could change that sentiment Not Saying DLR can’t state his side but he comes of as a petty 70 year old child

@crsantin

6 ай бұрын

Roth has been frying Wolfgang on his podcast. I guess we know how he feels about the reunion now. ADKOT and Tokyo Dome were compromises because they could not longer work together to make a proper album with everyone in the studio together. This band continues to be seriously dysfunctional even after the band is done. Pretty sad.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

@@crsantin It is sad, but hardly uncommon.

The original demos with Michael Anthony are superior to the released product.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I've only heard a little of that stuff.

To my ears DKOT was mostly cutting room floor stuff circa 1978-9. Other songs sounded like leftover Eddie tapes patched together without much regard to how they would fit together. There was one beautiful composition that was previously titled “Ripley” that Dave butchered with his vocal melodies and absolutely out of touch lyrics. Turning the mysterious Ripley into the haggardly Blood and Fire was unforgivable. Dave’s egotistically disregardful treatment of Ripley made me realize why there were creative difference between Eddie and Dave. As Sammy admitted recently, that band cannot create magic anymore with or without him on board. It was pretty much over around 1995 when that gloomy Don’t Tell Me dropped.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Definitely will agree to disagree on this subject.

@gokhanersan8561

6 ай бұрын

@@Thedarkstuff I wanted to l fall in love with it. For me Dave’s last great performance with Van Halen was Me Wise Magic; Sammy’s last great song with them was the Twister Song. Last great VH song : Fire In the Hole 1998.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

@@gokhanersan8561 I thought the two Dave songs on the Best of were okay, but it seemed like they were completed instrumentals and Dave just sang over them. Maybe it's just because some of it originated in the 70s and 80s, but I thought the "Truth" stuff sounded more like a band.🤔

What about listening to ADKOT or DLR Band on youtube?

@Thedarkstuff

3 ай бұрын

I don’t listen to music on youtube, personally.

The video game world is the same. Games people purchase disappear after a few years.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I believe that 100%. Corporate America is attempting to redefine the word own.

@hellboundTX333

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. If they had their way you would have to pay the camera company to watch your own home movies since you filmed them on their cameras...

Dave is pretty clearly bi-polar and I imagine his criticisms came during a depressive phase. He knows damn well that Fair Warning stiffed and is considered by many fans and musicians to be their BEST album. - To all the whiners that ADKOT I say: Obviously you're not a artist or musician. I used riffs and lyrics that were created years before the album they appeared on. No one knew or cared (pre-internet and the rise of Bitch-Piss-n-Moan became a hobby for millions). - Van Hagar was okay at the time cuz I loved the band but I almost never load up those albums now. - I have to laugh at all the lemmings who rushed to streaming platforms as well as all the entitled douchenozzles who came up post-Napster and felt that the people that make art, that these knobs can't _imagine_ living without, didn't deserve to get paid. (I used to ask students in the late 90s/early 2000s if this made sense: "I come to the restaurant you work at. The food is great! The service was amazing. I love it! I tell you and the entire staff how great you all are. Then I tell you I'm going to take your pay-cheques because I'm such a fan." That always got a lot of "Whoas") - I bought 1 album and two singles 12 years ago on iTunes. Last month, I got an old computer out of storage after 8 years and they made me go thru a shitton of hoops to re-authorize my account and after 1/2 an hour: Nope. I'm not allowed to play the songs sitting on my computer. @!%*

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

I'm not buying Dave's rationale at all. I'm sure it's some sort of leverage play with Warner Bros since it's the only VH title they don't have. He's crazy like a fox. But, I don't think any of those "entitled douchenozzles" have ever thought about the consequences to the entertainment world of everything being "free"; or that having a bunch of ones and zeroes on your computer (connected to the internet) means you actually own anything these days.

Trouble With Never rules ALL ya big goof!!!!

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

agree to disagree.

It’s on my Apple ITunes 🤔

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Did you buy it from iTunes? Because it 100% is not available to stream.

@Mosconi526

6 ай бұрын

@@Thedarkstuff I did. I bought it when it first released. 👌

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

@@Mosconi526 since I posted this video, I learned that Apple removed DRM from their purchased tracks many years ago. Fortunately they won’t be sucked back into the internet. For now….

I went to listen to the Album that Was horrible my opinion is when you get big then Biger you Forget about the pocket a Band creates coming up that Made them in the First place the Ground Roots.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Right.

I think that record's a turd, with nothing that should have been on any other VH record prior.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Well allrighty then

I never liked dave. Just it was like watching a chick dance around

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Um. Okay.

@user-gu6uh3nk7g

6 ай бұрын

In his day he was the best front man

A talking head

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your support ❤️

Wolfie sucks and people are making money off of him making money off his dad's name Rock stars are there by Merritt Not relation

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

Fair point. But he has made albums of his own music and doesn't tour around the world as "Van Halen."

@user-gu6uh3nk7g

6 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t say he sucks he’s a great musician

I'd bet anything that the real reason the album isn't streaming is because of a dispute over royalties. Dave wants more than they want to pay him.

@Thedarkstuff

6 ай бұрын

There's definitely money involved. ADKOT is the only VH album not on Warner Bros. It could be a ploy to extract something - i.e. higher royalty rate - to license the record to WB.