Many great quotes... like "neoliberalism means provide credit to everybody so that everybody can participate...as a way of democratizing the system...leads to this strange system where freedom means being able to own a piece of your own permanent exploitation" 46:00

So sad that he died so young. He had an amazing mind. So impressive.

David Graeber 12 February 1961 - 2 September 2020. RIP.

@jessew7565

3 жыл бұрын

Rest in Power David

@yusufkudaimi7737

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT?? I had no idea. RIP

This guy is a genius. That should be taught at schools.

@SlabCityLibertarianAssembly

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Although one little hiccup, they killed him for speaking, so I don't think we're their yet, still stuck in bar bar fash fash land unfortunately...bam....bam

"This has nothing to do with human need, it has to do with the need of maintaining a system of radical inequality, which as it turns out is really really expensive in terms of hours."

@stephentrueman4843

5 жыл бұрын

love that. david has said in one of his other talks about liberating people from mundane jobs, people say "what will people do with all their free time?", david said "If you don't know what to do with human liberty... that's pretty messed up." (he talks about being musicans/poets/being creative/etc) He has also said things like "how about we create/raise people we would want/enjoy being around" (my head is not recalling the context, but it may of been about living in a toxic society)

@LeifLovebug

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephentrueman4843 I think the last thing you're referring to is in his "origins of capitalism" lecture, a pretty dense talk concerning debt where he eventually gets to the topic of how societies used to think of work and the economy in terms of the kind of people it'd "create", as opposed to any kind of calculation of highest possible profits. I probably simplified the hell out of that, and David said it more eloquently & clearly than I ever could in that talk. Big recommendation for people to listen to that one, if they can get through all the sorta complex dowry/brideswealth history analysis at the start.

@selahahmedibnmalachi8164

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@joshdoyle182

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephentrueman4843That one was during an attempt to specify a purpose for work that may stand a good chance of not having to be hidden or changed IIRC.

@stephentrueman4843

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshdoyle182 okay thanks

I listen to this lecture every 6 months religiously.

I guess that is the same coffee cup from the Google DEBT-lecture

@uberdru

5 жыл бұрын

Writing a paper on that right now. . .

@Cooliofamily

4 жыл бұрын

Theres another lecture where he does the same thing

@DDshoeshowz01

4 жыл бұрын

The cup that keeps on giving

@wyleong4326

3 жыл бұрын

Found you!

@jasonports8517

3 жыл бұрын

My man Graeber just didnt wanna incur a debt on the hosts at the talk ; p

Honestly one of my favourite people ever.

I am willing to bet all of my no money that Adam Curtis has watched this talk 12 times.

A great lecture, first watched it a year or so ago, now watching again for a second time, doubt it'll be the last.

"I'm quite optimistic about the death of capitalism at this point."

@5Gazto

2 жыл бұрын

Along with human civilization, as it seems most leaders would rather see the world burn than give way for more sustainable ideas.

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

@@5Gazto joe manchin is literally burning pieces of the world(coal) and creating poison rather than to move to a nonpoisonous regenerative energy design that is a tenth of the effort, and then he castigates the people who are environmentally dutiful as being "entitled". projection, thy name is joe manchin.

Excellent talk by Graeber. Thank you for this and thanks to Dr. Graeber for his valuable insights and thoughts.

it is flabbergasting how inane the questions from the audience were at this talk.

@MikeStoneJapan

5 жыл бұрын

omg. that 1st lady drove me nuts

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

There are shills in the crowd

@thezoo6679

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Stone Grandison “yOu R sAYiNg TwO TingS. OnLY sAy One ☝️ tINg” lol

@Treebark1313

Жыл бұрын

"iPhone better than flying car!1!" lmaoo

@jonnymahony9402

8 ай бұрын

When iam honest, smartphones not really made my life better. I really don't know what's so revolutionary about them. Not much has changed.

should explore Heidegger's take on technology relative to hypothesis that all technology leans toward alienation and modes of control; which would align w Graeber's thoughtful anarchism

35:59 is what Alan Kay talks about when he explains the organization and structure of his research team in Xerox Parc. And we’re living in that dream they created. Time we make some new ones upon this one.

I love how bored he gets. David is one of the greatest minds of our time. How can someone ask a 5 minute question and excet an answer?

An exceptional thinker. RIP

brilliant mate, concise articulate and farrkn on to it

HES DRINKING THE COFFEE!!!

The future is here! Think Theranos, Juicero, WeWork and Kailo. You can create anything you want (forget about if it really works or not) and some shmuck will pay for it.

Need to watch this later.. RIP David Graeber

My ex used to freak out violently whenever anyone smacked their lips. This video was very therapeutic for me.

@KD-rs6xx

5 жыл бұрын

I like your ex- lip smacking and chewing... arghhh- there's a name for this sensitivity

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah its called being an ass. You'll just have to get over it.

@Aquificae

5 жыл бұрын

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Many people on the spectrum have trouble with specific sounds, so it's not necessarily being an ass. I have no problem with lip smacking, but a dog barking will make me very confused and disturbed, it takes over all my senses and I get either paralyzed or (much more commonly) freaked out. It's not a "choice" for me, it's just what happens. So I'll give her ex the benefit of the doubt

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

5 жыл бұрын

@@Aquificae dog barking makes more sense. chewing? get the fuck over it or stay away from people, spectrum or no. yeah, it's annoying, but don't make others self conscious by whining about the sounds they make KEEPING THEMSELVES ALIVE. enough people have serious issues surrounding food as it is..

@louisvictor3473

4 жыл бұрын

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Always hilarious to see someone say "just have to get over it" to sound like a manly man on the interwebs. Let's try this: no you can't chew or smack your lips loudly, just get over it. See, that is not an argument for shit, you just say it to pat your ego and sound "though" (to easily impressed people exclusively). And keeping themselves alive? Oh you fuck off you online "though" man. Point me ONE singular way loudly chewing or smacking your lips keeps you life. We are not talking breathing here.

Perfect description of my experience in academia

Main points: David likes star trek and hates paper work

What a nice bonus to hear about so-called futuristic technologies right off the bat. This isn't philosophy as much as real technologies being dismissed as conspiracy theories by a control of information.

The minimum wage has steadily decreased since the early 1970s, meaning the government has had to provide more benefits while also getting less in tax collection as a result of the lower income of the working class. This has destroyed the ability of the government to tackle the big projects and funneled billions of dollars to the wealthiest people in the country. If only they knew the cost of their wealth.

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

They know, they just don't care. They're sociopaths. That's how they got to where they are.

@saschamayer4050

Жыл бұрын

I don't think they care.

@SashaFauchereau

Жыл бұрын

They do know

Iain Banks' 'Culture' series is a case in point of an imagined society based on technology we thought we would get.

So profound.

bravo...!!!

At about 1:08:00 "Capitalism does this or does that...you PERSONIFY capitalism I thought that was kind of interesting" What is she even talking about? If I say "the cheetah leaped here and then leaped there" am I personifying a cheetah now? No! I am describing it's movements or actions. What David has been describing is the paths and roads capitalism has forced us down, the actual limits and barriers it has created intentionally or unintentionally by its existing rules principles and processes. This isn't personification, but merely description of the realities created under capitalism.

This comments section is full of people who can't read bodylanguage. Toward the end of the vid, during questions, the reason he's picking up the cup a lot, leaning his weight on the podium briefly, wrapping his hand up his face then shifting posture quickly again, looking around, smiling and acting a little strange by turn, taking deep breaths and sending his hand all around his face, and unable to concentrate on the questions being asked is because he's having anxiety, probably a mild panic attack. He's only just keeping it together there. Aside from that, yes, he knows his stuff. Very interesting.

@MusicalDudeMayhem

9 жыл бұрын

MusicalDudeMayhem Shup, he's awesome

@MusicalDudeMayhem

9 жыл бұрын

MusicalDudeMayhem No he's not

@danrestione6983

7 жыл бұрын

MusicalDudeMayhem the coffee thing is all the way through

@danrestione6983

7 жыл бұрын

But what he says is very challenging. It's just s tick with the coffee.

it's been up a long time with few views looks like YT is doing it's magic

Graeber needs to explore the ideology behind finance to explain how we got here. the delineation of the ideology can be couched in code but should be described. greed, racism etc has a source that must be revealed

@Ucedo95

4 жыл бұрын

He achieved that in his book Debt, a 5000 years history.

This is the beginning of the beginning!

@user-ej7ss8ei2g

2 жыл бұрын

was it

@infiniteinfiniteinfi

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ej7ss8ei2g I think so. Occupy laid the foundation for Bernie, who laid the foundation for ...

A certain futurist of the 1920's would call us now a "civilization of chiselers". I would largely have to agree with Him. We seem to have landed in a reverse sort of brave new world. The purpose of work is to maintain the power of the overseers, the power of the overseers is used to maintain "full employment" the purpose of which is to keep people off of the barricades through functionless toil. Both happiness and dissatisfaction are commodified and resold in "childsafe" packaging, where they are not useable for their actual functions anymore. We are taught to fear and despise the actual consequences of any actual change. We are largely all invested and only prepared for things to go on as usual.

Form follows Function (e-Pi-i sync-duration in particular) so take the labels off the process of AM-FM Communication In-form-ation and re-evaluate how re-evolution operates in Actuality.

I know that in the US the majority can't even fathom the thoughts of people being able to live without having to dig ditches for 10 hours per day. It's sad considering that we have mastered making money from nothing.

20:30 its already gone down the tubes

I figure the prisoner's dilemma is the best descriptor of an economy, especially in larger numbers.

36:07 - 36:24 brilliant 1:12:36

Innovation used to mean putting people on the moon.. now we get the same phone ever year but thinner..

thank god for crowd sourcing

I went through his one and a half hour google talk without him ever taking a sip from his drink. I am 23 minutes into this one. Is he going to do it this time?

@50pages

6 жыл бұрын

24 minutes, fuck yeah! I can die in piece now.

I can't speak for all of the Jetson/StarTrek technologies, but advanced robotics is impossible without modern computer power. A robot that does your laundry needs vision and basic vision tasks like recognizing hand written characters were entirely unapproachable until about a decade ago. The field has continued to progress at a remarkable rate since then, but we're still maybe a decade away from human level visual acuity.

I want to be a David Graeber when I grow up

Very good talk. Only thing I find problematic is that he is implying that any technology is possible if bureaucracy is not there. This is problematic to me. We cannot say what technologies are possible or not possible in the future, can we?

building on the guy who said sci fi is 'hard' and to whom Graeber said that previous sci-fi technologies had come to pass. perhaps it is more that science is hard, in that we have a far greater understanding collectively of the limits of science in particular our understanding of physics has pushed us right up to the limits of what we know to be possible, whereas before the invention of a submarine in 1870s or whatever was never that impossible given how close it was to being invented within range of our collective (lack of) knowledge of physics. A case in point is the recent sci-fi film Her which imagines a kind of Utopian LA - air conditioned, clinical and genuinely egalitarian - replete with all the problems of anxiety and loneliness that besiege the modern relationship familiar to us. In that film the technology is digital and invisible, an AI capable of learning and empathy and which thus has the capacity to be a perfect partner. This technology only exists in an auditory sense but provides in the final scenes a possible solution, though terrifying, to the problems of man, as it overcomes its own - the existence of the AIs incorporeal life that evolves beyond the technological singularity grants it the ability to transcend the problems they identify in their own existence. The AIs leave by transcendence and the people return to each other and embrace the physical dimension of life. But this is not as neat a conclusion as it seems. Precisely because it is the AIs who have taught the humans, it suggests that they in part have the secret to existence - virtuality. In short, by renouncing the physical world you avoid the problems of physics. Perhaps only now as we have reached this pinnacle of scientific knowledge does it make our scifi seem less poetic in the sense Graeber attributed to it or as the audience member has it, differently hard.

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it's that the guy's comment about science being hard was freaking stupid.

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

Graeber himself points out that many early technologies failed this kind of test, such as time machines. while today there are clear examples of mass reproducible technologies that just aren't being incorporated into the daily lives of the average person because it makes it hard for the capitalist to extract profit. he even gives an example of the supersonic commercial jet, the Concorde. the reason why most airline travel today is subsonic isn't because it isn't technically feasible, or desirable to the customer, but because the Concorde was less profitable than creating a slower jet that could hold more people. so rather than having thousands of concordes flying at Mach 3, we have hundreds of 737 maxes that are flying at Mach .5 and are falling apart. it isn't science holding technology back, but the political economics of neoliberal capitalism.

Start: 2:50

Enjoyed DG. However, the problem with the Left is clearly demonstrated by the Questions section. Why some feel they have the right to take up scarce communal time waffling on in a feeble attempt to demonstrate their parity with DG is ludicrous and alienating. This is why 'ordinary folk' don't attend such meetings or want to be led by confusing and incomprehensible egoists. Ask a question. If you cannot articulate it without producing a word salad then let someone else ask a question (or three). No one came here for you.

All of this stuff will happen once sufficient data is collected on the human machine. That's the essential detail that the previous generation of scientists overlooked.

@dieterhoffmann6449

3 жыл бұрын

No, the inside in ourselves won't create a radical new future. But without self-confidence we will not have a future at all. We have to collectively create our future, in which direction do we want to develop as a society. Grabers point, the focus on money destroys the future, should be taken seriously. Understanding the human animal is necessary, but without reason we still have no Direction. If the focus is still on the money issue we won't have development. i responded because you are good looking

Work is going to be obsolete.

There were some "cheatty" question and lots of ego hurt. OMG. The guy spent almost an hour opening the eyes what could very well be another theory of Capitalism and Capitalism analysis and people were saying how IPhones are bigger than cars and he is personafying the Capitalism. Give me a break. I guess that's what BS jobs do to people.

It's pretty obvious that technology could be much more advanced than it is. We see it all the time with gene therapy. If powerful people wanted gene therapy, stem cell research, and more work on genes done they would have figured out how to get society excited rather than slam on the brakes.

@aerobique

4 жыл бұрын

It's the systemic / cultural incentive structures in "market economics" that reinforces these patterns and behaviors. In plain sight.

What is the right's response to beurocracy that he is talking about? Does someone know? Please answer if you do!

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

the rights response to bureaucracy at least to what i have encountered, is that 1.the private sector is less bureaucratic than the public sector, which is mockingly laughable to the people who actually tabulate this stuff, that 2. we should just throw all of these bureaucrats into the fiery pit of destitution rather than view them as actual people who you can empathize with and transition to meaningful work or meaningful leisure, 3. that the solution to getting rid of this bureaucracy is to cut costs like the marketplace like they did with the post office(didn't work), and 4. to roll back safety standards that keep workers alive. the most lucid i have gotten out of the right as to paying people to not create endless work with endless documentation, is support of a UBI, but even that they want to make regressive so it's means tested to the point that it would just replace one sort of bureaucracy with another that would just be more centralized and cohesive. the right is even more bureaucratic than the left, there just hypocritical about it.

That such a masterpiece of speculation could be followed by such clueless questions proves a lot of his arguments. Its almost impossible to tell well-off over-educated snobs, that society has loss more potential than the potential you think you have.

post modernism is the dysfunctional path we too after we let the OWNERS abandon modernism

this is so hard for misophonics

2:52 to skip the intro

35:00

One of the developments that the future has in fact brought us is new untraceable ways for governments to bring death to those they don't like. Of course, they don't actually use these . . . RIP David Graeber.

Considering the plummeting birth rate in many Western countries, maybe Toffler wasn’t totally off base when he said motherhood was threatened

@1:24:10

8 years later, the questions are still s***

Did Peter thirl just copy this idea?

no, chumps would be spending their time listening to the mainstream media, Rush Limbaugh, etc, not historic discussion of a complex subject.

:55.00

London Review of BASED

9:35 Chat Gpt

is david heiling? 4:00

@eroorefulufoo6625

3 жыл бұрын

like i doubt it...

Trauma? Relief, more like.

Graeber was way too much of a threat to the financial ruling class to survive 2020.

@wildernessisland2573

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious why you and others are saying this. His wife put out a statement saying he died from covid? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true.

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildernessisland2573 he probably did die of covid, but most people would like to think of the Subversive, that has to physically taken out to stop, versus most subversives that don't have a violent bone in their bodies, who are easily stopped as soon as the cops get out their clubs. as a latter example, a lot of my paranoid shower rants have to do with the former.

9:35 Chat Gpt 😅

summary reminds me of Couliano's thesis in Eros and Magic in the Renaissance; erotic sorcery and magic bonding of the populace vs dark totalitarianism. finance people have terrible imaginations maybe and creative magic squashed by profit academies; tech equally unimaginative and greedy

Sun iz is on your mind so you you know where we

Leave the cup alone

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, when you're the speaker, you do what you want. :-)

Poetic tech still happens, it just gets relegated to psuedoscience and no one is allowed to pursue it.

@wildernessisland2573

3 жыл бұрын

It's like elon musk is the only person allowed to even try

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildernessisland2573 almost like elon musk is the only one with the capital to try. if my father owned a emerald mine, you'd be damn sure not seeing me at the grocery market. as for all the other parasitic capitalists, they are either too stupid, too brainwashed, or too sadistic to do anything else but continue the path that Graeber has put out of ever increasing beaucratization. and even with elon, all he is doing is buying all the ideas and patents from brilliant people with no money, giving young adept people money to take these patents and create something with it. elon musk isn't a genius, he pays geniuses to work for him.

That was the most dull introduction to a talk I have ever seen

@lawsonj39

3 жыл бұрын

You are one of the luckiest people ever! I've sat through FAR worse! FAR!

The internet is a big deal and it's playing into bigger things.

Also why would decolonisation require slaughtering the sedentary population?

He is forgetting about cyberpunk which pretty much predicted the way we are heading including the top down control and the collapse of the middle class.

@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry

6 жыл бұрын

michalchik Cyberpunk predicted that? I thought Marx did, about 150 years ago.

if you want to drive yourself crazy - watch the coffee cup...

Not really. He is talking about technological predictions, not social organisation. And even the very modest predictions of 80s cyberpunk have not come to pass. We don't even have virtual reality or brain jacks! Viva y salud!

like you know um and so i mean uh

thesis antithesis synthesis

Anyone starting this video, please skip the first 2 mins 48 seconds-nothing personal against the guy who introduces Mr Graeber but he is not saying anything you really need to hear and he mumbles....

Am I the only one that thinks that capitalism HAS produced the robots with laser eyes? DRONES for example and he doesn't discuss the exhaustion of resources to maintain profit levels at depth.

The eleventh commandment: THE RICH RULE THE POOR. Governments are instituted to codify, adjudicate and enforce this commandment.

00; 53; 07 what a stupid question / and argument from audience!

Sorry but what a stupid bunch of questions from the audience, not sure what they were listening too, they either asked questions unrelated to the topic or acted like the speaker was saying completely different things than presented.

He mentions the expectations of the 60s with robots factories and the disillusioned workers of the 70s who were sick of working but no words on how those workers were supposed to pay for goods without capital

@Richardukable

7 жыл бұрын

Joseph Tynan

@ethanstump

2 жыл бұрын

UBI isn't just a new concept, there were very robust and concrete policy proposals in the 1940's that would've given everyone the capital to buy these good's.

Ohhhhhhh noooooooooooooo D: He is holding a cup of caffee in his hand xD

Guys this is really great but his "ums" is really distracting.

@stephentrueman4843

5 жыл бұрын

interesting people usually come with some crazy mannerisms

free energy is possible. run 350 mw dynamos in a perpetual;l series of cascades. who would want to stop that?

Great talk till the pedants in the audience start talking

Its called " Clacky mouth !" The ruin of chat worldwide.

Ten years later i can play fortnite in my phone 👌

First girl questioning is mad disrespectful...

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

Woman.

These are some of the most ignorant and tone deaf post-lecture questions I’ve ever heard

Jesus, get to the effing point!

He goes "umm" too much but it doesn't matter because the subject matter is too interesting to stop listening

@wildernessisland2573

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even notice