“Sam Harris loves the sound of his own voice” says a man that shouts “pause” every 10 seconds.

@firefly9838

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that if both Sam's ever had a conversation neither one could ever shut up long enough to let the other respond. They both LOVE their voice.

@notusingmyrealnamegoogle6232

Жыл бұрын

@X O that applies to both of them

@notusingmyrealnamegoogle6232

Жыл бұрын

@X O They’re both talking a lot because they’re hosting their respective shows/podcasts.

@joshboston2323

Жыл бұрын

Jim---I never had that feeling with Sam Harris, but I know a lot of people get that impression of him.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

Жыл бұрын

the obvious difference is seder would admit it and joke about it and harris would lie and claim to be the victim and you are misrepresenting him and didn't listen to the full 3 hour podcast blah blah

I am amused by folks who believe that among trump's great strengths, are honesty, brilliance in business, altruism, dedication to America and to regular Americans, And they accuse those who do not share these opinions as having "trump derangement syndrome."

@jshaffer2773

Жыл бұрын

"Sucker" is synonymous with "Trump supporter" at this point

@kingpest13

Жыл бұрын

Jackasses

@Damacles9

Жыл бұрын

Idiocracy is real.

@yelnatsch517

Жыл бұрын

No, they actually don't. Don't be a hypocrite as essentially you're calling someone YOU disagree with as someone who simply "accuse those who do not share these opinions as having "trump derangement syndrome." If you actually listened to what Sam Harris said, I'd think you'd agree that he's gone off the deep end this time. He basically said anything can be excused to keep Trump out of office including murder and manipulation. Then when he was called out for it, he backtracked and blamed people for misunderstanding him. It doesn't matter where people stand on politics, anyone who agrees with Sam on this is a sociopath.

@ipeeinpublicpools543

Жыл бұрын

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I can't stand Dave's voice at all anymore. Makes me contemplate becoming angry.

@MizterMissile

Жыл бұрын

Hahah same

@genesmith3582

Жыл бұрын

lmao. His stupidity is powerful!!

@faithnelson6069

Жыл бұрын

ha ha! super funny line.

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

You must be easily triggered 🤡👍

Seder and Sam Harris should definitely have a conversation.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

Will probably never happen. Too much bad blood.

@kennyehm2004

Жыл бұрын

@@nuwio1 I don’t see why Harris would have bad blood towards Seder.

@ad206

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Sam Harris called Seder "psychopathic" at one point.

@kennyehm2004

Жыл бұрын

@@ad206 I was unaware of that. I’m sure they’d be able to make it happen if they wanted to. Harris is usually pretty good at setting aside that kind of stuff to understand the disagreement. Might take 2 conversations though. 🤣 Him and JP went at it a few times but I felt it was beneficial for the both of them.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

​@@kennyehm2004 I don't think the Harris/JP convos were much about politics, and I'm not even sure if there was significant distance between Harris and JP's political commentary. On top of that, Harris just has a bizarre barometer (e.g., Ezra Klein is the moral equivalent to the KKK, but Ben Shapiro is good faith).

There's a clip of Harris talking about Trump (somewhere around 2016) and it was fucking prophetic. He isn't deranged he saw it clearly before it happened.

@Vorse_Raider

Жыл бұрын

Harris has debated people that don't know what they're talking about enough to identify people like that when he sees them.

@andrewmacdonald5884

Жыл бұрын

Say what you will about Harris but he’s always seen Trump for who he really is.

@docb657

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmacdonald5884 Agreed.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmacdonald5884 and what did he see of trump that is soo bad.

@andrewmacdonald5884

Жыл бұрын

@@judahjayson684 Oh I don’t know, maybe trying to overturn election results? Jesus Christ, are you blind?

Harris is not beyond critique, but he is incredibly intelligent and has made some fantastic points in the past.

@mrh3894

Жыл бұрын

he was very critical of BLM

@itsallgoodman4108

Жыл бұрын

@@mrh3894 he made the counter argument in the best way anyone on that side of the issue could have. It was a useful point. Harris looks drained at this point

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

@@itsallgoodman4108 I'd have to relisten, but, from my recollection, didn't he cherry-pick research that confirmed his worldview and engaged in the typical right-wing cliche of black-on-black violence?

@johnnytwotimes7854

Жыл бұрын

Did you not watch this clip? How can you say he's incredibly intelligent lol

@visualclarity7955

Жыл бұрын

@@nuwio1 I happened to write a summary with timestamps of Harris' video regarding BLM 'can we pull back from the brink?" - I'll leave it here for you: Sam Harris 9:05 what we’re experiencing: “widespread social unrest in response to what is widely to be believed to be an epidemic of lethal police violence directed at the black community by racist cops and policies” 9:30 counter response from law enforcement guaranteed to exacerbate the problem of police violence, both real and perceived. 9:55 so much to be confused about: police inflicting violence on protesters, yet stand idly by while looters destroy businesses. What explains this? How representative are the videos of what’s going on? 13:59 having trump as president makes racism seem worse in society 14:40 now due to protests trump has a different battle to fight 16:00 doctors by thousands signing saying its fine to stand shoulder to shoulder and protest, how many people to die from protests, its a rational question to ask 17:11 proximate cause: george floyd 18:05 despite Chauvin getting caught, this is not to say the system is working since without the cell phone video Chauvin may have gotten away with it 19:00 clear statements: racism is still a problem 20:00 how could discrimination in this country not have had lasting effects? 20:30 status quo we take for granted is a betrayal of our values 22:20 rioting/looting can’t be good for social justice 23:55 creeping authoritarianism 25:18 martin luthier king jr: riots language of unheard but harm cause of black community 25:45 abolish the police can be interpreted literally 26:19 leaving violence only to the state is the best thing we’ve done 26:36 we need police reform (I think Sam doesn’t realize lefties don’t mean to give cops less training) 29:00 example of democratic party sounding insane about police abolition 30:00 lawlessness and disorder predicted to increase authoritarian support 30:41 wokeness problems “all lives matter” 32:28 claim of expiation of one’s sins as reason to support BLM by rich liberals 33:28 protests are marked with confusion and he’ll explain why (coleman hughes) 35:00 crack epidemic as institutionalizing racism “effectively racist” 36:00 people experiencing racism and perceived racism 36:56 white privilege is not having to worry about racism 37:10 as society we can’t afford to find and condemn racism where it doesn’t exist 40:00 wealth disparity between blacks and whites, intergenerational wealth explains this 43:40 he will ask questions and asks people to remain dispassionate 44:00 does george floyds killing show racism? 49:00 police shootings per year 1000s out of 60 million arrests 50:30 some cop shootings justified, some not 51:41 cops have a hard job 52:50 composition of police force should mirror the neighborhoods they police 53:00 black and hispanic cops more likely to shoot suspects than white cops 54:00 defense of cops 55:50 the ideal cops in an ideal world 58:00 if we keep using videos every year to erupt in violence, we’re doomed 59:00 activists misinterpreting videos 1h 00 George floyd video hard to interpret in context of police killings 1h 05:50 if tony timpa was black it’d have detonated in society 1h 07:07 no one in a thousand miles of BLM will make these distinctions 07:40 argument: people have to stop resisting arrest 09:00 comments about cops having to assume you’ll reach for the gun 10:46 point that can be debated: not having guns like england 11:50 resisting arrest 13:40 contrasting police brutality with race 16:42 13/50 17:30 most of crime story in america is black on black crime 18:20 people were killed over believing racist intent without evidence 18:50 “effective policing” 23:20 this data is incomplete 26:30 the left gets pwned by police in peaceful protest while the right sees looting 32:40 doesn’t doubt african americans get more tension from cops 36:00 these videos will come out every year and isn’t evidence of racism 37:23 difference between slogans and reality: branding of a movement and its actual aim. Thats why propaganda works 38:29 legitimate fear about being hounded online if speaking out against left causes/left of center 40:00 we need reform argument 40:36 it is not clear that progres along these dimensions primarily entails us finding eradicating racism in society 41:35 tribalism vs. not caring about race 44:44 asking questions about if concentrating more or less about race will help race go away 46:11 disagree about the path to go to a postracial world.

I don’t agree some of Sam Harris’s views but when it comes to trump he is right

@christopherweise438

Жыл бұрын

He's been "correct" about trump all along. He called the entire scenario back in 2015. Everything he predicted in terms to Trump has come to fruition.

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

Yep. When it comes to Trump, Harris nails it!

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious. And you voted for a career corrupt politician with Alzheimer’s for president 🤡☝️. Who’s the fool ?

@janbeggebeen

Жыл бұрын

He is spot on. As is Jordan Petersons assessment of Trump. Which is kind of easy to do if you read up on a narcissistic personality disorder.

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

@@janbeggebeen Peterson's assessment of Trump? Not so sure about that one. Peterson infamously said if he were American he would have probably gone to the polls in 2016 intending to vote for Clinton then last minute changed his mind for Trump, thinking to himself "to hell with it". Sure, plenty of others voted for Trump, but for a sophisticated person with his education, that's shameful and undermines whatever other critique he might have of Trump.

What is this "left wing" that all these conservatives keep referring to??

@zenbear9952

Жыл бұрын

They think Biden is left wing. They have no idea

@tim3172

Жыл бұрын

Other voices in their heads.

@YukonBloamie

Жыл бұрын

Who is Hillary Hussein Communist Bengazi Ocasio-Pelosi. I'll take criminally insane gameshow host presidents for $100, Alex.

@meller7303

Жыл бұрын

@@YukonBloamie lmao 😂 you forgot to add “Soros” in there somehow

@greedo2660

Жыл бұрын

Anyone even remotely contrary to their nutballism

I'm still a fan of Harris in general despite him saying a few questionable things here and there. I think he's one of those people that are easy to quote mine to make him look pretty bad, but if you listen to a podcast or something in its entirety you can usually at least see where he's coming from.

@TwoForFlinchin1

Жыл бұрын

Objective morality = L

@mrh3894

Жыл бұрын

he definitely tried to single out and humiliate muslims

@heydudewhatsup

Жыл бұрын

The way Majority Report talks about Harris is baffling to me. They see eye to eye on most topics yet TMR acts as if Harris is Ruben-esq. It's just dishonest.

@heydudewhatsup

Жыл бұрын

@@mrh3894 no, no he did not lol. Not even sure how anyone could think that if you actually listened to the words coming out of his mouth.

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

I feel this way too. He's gotten many things wrong, but he's still an interesting person to listen to and has a good podcast.

I wonder why the guy who wears the Blacks for Trump t-shirt at Trump rallies hasn't figured out why he can't get a gig like Dave Rubin in retrospect to Dave's love for conservatives.

@billyconnelly3568

Жыл бұрын

Some would say tomming ain't easy, but the Blacks for Trump guy seems to be enjoying himself.

@robertsandison2298

11 ай бұрын

You haven't heard of zuby then

Sam Harris has some shortcomings and does not understand politics. But lumping him with Dave Rubin is not even vaguely fair. Rubin is doing shameless grifting and Harris has set things up so he can remain independent. Harris is also highly intelligent despite his naivete about politics. You guys also dunk on philosophy too much. Still love you all though.

@pietzsche

Жыл бұрын

Sam Harris is utterly clueless about philosophy too.

@charlesandrews2360

Жыл бұрын

If Sam Harris does not understand politics why does he appear on political analysis and information programs? I'm guessing that's the only reason that this topic is relevant here.

@blevens7251

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesandrews2360 he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand it

@blevens7251

Жыл бұрын

@@pietzsche he's not formally trained in philosophy but he doesn't have a terrible philosophical mind either.

@mattbebe2555

Жыл бұрын

"Hunter could literally have had the corpses of children in his basement and i would not of cared." -S.Harris

i don't always agree with Harris, but i like him and find him totally sane on the subject of trump.

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious. And you voted for a career corrupt politician with Alzheimer’s for president 🤡☝️. Who’s the fool ?

@robertsandison2298

11 ай бұрын

I like Sam but he is deranged about trump

I absolutely love the way Sam Harris thinks his way through problems in real time. The absolute beatdown he gave Peterson on Sam's show & live debate was amazing & clinical.

@Ixiah27

Жыл бұрын

He didnt think at all here, thats the problem.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

Loopsrainforest do you worship Sam Harris

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

Are you normal.Sam Harris career as an intellectual is on fire do you know why

I dont think youre understanding the context of which Sams saying this. Hes saying compared to Trump. Its no contest who is the more detestable.

@OgrimMetal

Жыл бұрын

Also, he was talking about not caring about Hunter Biden until after the election, given the harm he knows Trump is capable of compared to Joe Biden. He never said that Hunter should not be prosecuted if he has committed crimes. (also he was explicitly being hyperbolic)

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

You dumb people he said bin Laden is better person than trump. Please stop worshiping Sam Harris and open your mind.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

Zak tilzer how old are you

@zaktilzer5130

Жыл бұрын

@@judahjayson684 Between 5 and 100

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@@zaktilzer5130 what do you mean

Does anyone else like Sam Seder and Sam Harris for different reasons and listen to them both?

@synchronium24

Жыл бұрын

Yes. And bashing on Sam Harris based on strawmen of his positions is one of MR's few glaring blind spots.

@OmegaMaximuss

Жыл бұрын

Just Harris.

@Saktoth

Жыл бұрын

The torture thing and seeing Islam as an actual threat to society isn't great. I know he sees himself as a big brain philosopher who is just talking ideas but its still boneheaded.

@DebateCentrals

Жыл бұрын

@@Saktoth I think philosophers who aren’t constantly thinking about politics and partisan optics is healthy for society. Sam Seder is on a mission to help the left win politically. Everything he says and does is through that lens. Arguably he is partisan to a fault, but his advocacy for left wing ideas is important and he does a lot of good. Sam Harris explores ideas and concepts that interest him. Sams political views are jumbled and imo poorly thought out, but his exploration of various topics is super useful. We need all types.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

@@synchronium24 MR's Harris critiques were largely spot on. I'd argue Harris is much more guilty of strawmanning his critics.

"I'm interested in democracy" Curious what these guys have had to say about Trump and the republican party trying to overthrow state and federal elections.

@ivandafoe5451

Жыл бұрын

Their "interest in democracy" isn't in supporting it...it is in destroying it.

@christopherweise438

Жыл бұрын

They don't love America........they love Donald Trump.

@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis

Жыл бұрын

ya but thats totally democratic because it's capitalists and everyone knows capitalism and democracy are the same thing

@NicolasCaja

Жыл бұрын

@X O "capitalismo has nothing to do with violent insurrections" maybe you should read a history book, buddy 😂 even in the specific case of the jan 6 fiesta you can blame capitalismo, Trumpo is a fcking use-car scammer and everything he does is to get more mony, no matter the cost or harm

@BenedictMHolland

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism thrives in chaos. With chaos the people with money can offer stability for a very low cost.

I've said for years that Sam Harris is overrated. He's not that smart. But he's many levels of intelligence above Dave Rubin....

@genesmith3582

Жыл бұрын

yes, but so is your half-baked cat so what's that saying?

@johnnytwotimes7854

Жыл бұрын

It's nearly impossible not to be above Rubin intellectually lol

@charlesandrews2360

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnytwotimes7854 Have you ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Dore? He's definitely in the running unless he passed away recently. Haven't heard much about him lately but that's actually a good thing. Anyhoo

@komlat253

Жыл бұрын

yea prettty much

@MicheleGardini

Жыл бұрын

Such a low bar has no value.

Not a fan of Sam Harris' politics, but that video he did in Novemeber 2020 is one of the greatest takedowns of Trump and the MAGA republicans I've ever seen. Great stuff.

@ameerhamid89

10 ай бұрын

Link please

Watching a clip of Sam watching a clip of Dave watching a clip of Sam...

@blakerackley8874

Жыл бұрын

When someone don't have anything valuable to contribute they just regurgitate the same kool-aid that has kept them intoxicated for so many years.

I would choose Sam Harris’ ideology over Rubin’s idiotic rants any day!

@neil2444

Жыл бұрын

Asking progressive: "Are you okay with the idea that Biden might be corrupt?" Progressive: "No, absolutely not, but lacking proof to suggest that, I will continue to believe he's not involved in corruption." Asking progressive: "What if it were Trump that were corrupt?" Progressive: "What changes? The only difference is that we now have proof Trump actually was involved in corruption, therefore since nobody is above the law, we charge him for it." Asking conservative: "Are you okay with the idea that Biden might be corrupt?" Conservative: "He absolutely is corrupt! No proof required! Lock him up right now!" Asking conservative: "What if it were Trump that were corrupt?" Conservative: "Trump did nothing wrong! I bet my life on it. Any proof to the contrary is liberal fake news." Don't be like a conservative, folks.

@elvireberben6068

Жыл бұрын

Sick tought 🤮

@jeffengel2607

Жыл бұрын

I'd have a serious beef with someone offering me just those options.

@MonkeyDIvan

Жыл бұрын

I see many people on the left diss on Harris. I've listened to some of his political takes and none of them strike me as particularly dumb or ignorant. He doesn't strike me like people like Rubin or Peterson who pretend to be on the left but clearly aren't. Can you tell me what this whole Sam Harris dislike fiasco is about (I'm genuinely asking)?

@notusingmyrealnamegoogle6232

Жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyDIvan Sam Harris is actually much more intelligent than the right wing grifters but people on the Left had a lot of issues with him back in the Bush era. At that time he pushed the atheist movement towards Islamophobia rather than being critical of right-wing Evangelicals who believed the War on Terror was a holy war. By doing so he inadvertently set the stage for the right wing influence on the 2010-2015 skeptic community which was a key component in the radicalization pipeline at that time. I don’t think that was his goal but it was something he could have pushed back more on but didn’t until he saw the insanity of Trumpism.

"I consider those guys friends" Yeah... just like Ben Shapiro

All that is happening here is that various people are making excuses for voting for Trump. They can make up anything they want as their excuse. You can't have a rational conversation with a person who just makes things up to fit the occasion. There's an infinite number of things they can make up.

@Damacles9

Жыл бұрын

You can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being.

@ipeeinpublicpools543

Жыл бұрын

I'll talk if you're still awake

@QAn0nYourm0m

Жыл бұрын

No excuses. None needed.

@SaurianSavior

Жыл бұрын

@@ipeeinpublicpools543 I'll wait until you establish goalposts which I predict you will move.

@ipeeinpublicpools543

Жыл бұрын

@@SaurianSavior you shouldn't make self fulfilling prophecies about strangers on the internet and then only look for the in mynute ways. Nothing wrong with just talking. I'd start off by asking if you think covid was man made and if it's release was purposeful or not. If not how crazy do you think of this possibility

I don't like the way the government handles (insert service) so I want a private company focused on profit to handle it!- Maga logic

@QAn0nYourm0m

Жыл бұрын

I want the government to control energy, medicine, food, water, and student debt. But marriage?? Oh that's just too far. Leftist logic.

@mainer5778

Жыл бұрын

@@QAn0nYourm0m wow, you really can't tell that they are totally different? comparing them apples to oranges?! One of these things is not like the other, one of these things are not the same....

@Ixiah27

Жыл бұрын

When has a Gov. in charge of Money or Jobs lead to good things ? Im waiting.

When insanity becomes the norm anything irrational becomes possible!

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Hilarious. And you voted for a career corrupt politician with Alzheimer’s for president 🤡☝️. Who’s the fool ?

The truly deranged thing is ppl worshipping and defending trump regardless of what awful shit he does.

@HarmonicResonanceScale

Жыл бұрын

Some people are just waiting for an opportunity to stop thinking and start goose stepping.

@samuelbekele3601

Жыл бұрын

Anytime you say what bad things the man does they just respond with "orange man bad" lol They've already made up their mind and want dictatorship

@befirmbefair6674

Жыл бұрын

I’m generally curious. What awful “shit,” according to you, has Trump done? Please also add what do you think he did correctly during his administration.

@samuelbekele3601

Жыл бұрын

@@befirmbefair6674 Killed an American girl his first day in office with an airstrike, pardoned War criminals who killed Iraqi civilians, failed to act on Covid 19, refused to admit defeat like an adult and peacefully transfer power, discussed imposing martial law at an oval office meeting, dissmissed Russian Interference in the election even though there was some, approved a pipeline that didn't deliever what he promised and only benefited those who owned it, called white supremacists at Charlottesville very fine people, appointed a far right nationalist Steve Bannon as his chief strategist, failed on Trump Care, constant lying in regards to both elections (like illegal votes for example), lying in general (told over 30000 lies), packing the courts with dishonest activists, cut corporate tax to the lowest in almost 100 years, oversaw the largest government shut down in US history, complete inhumane failure at the border and with migrants (especially children), asked Georgia officials to fix the election for him, incited violence against the capital building, and recently was exposed for taking documents that put our country at risk. There is much more but that's just off the top of my head. There was one or two things that I approved of but I can't remember any at the moment considering there is an ocean negative. Somthing about transpacific partnership yadayadayada

@Vorse_Raider

Жыл бұрын

@@befirmbefair6674 He's singlehandedly introduced enormous doubt about our elections in the minds of his supporters without a shred of evidence to back up his accusations. His rhetoric about a stolen election has cost dozens of people their jobs running elections all over the country. He has made our elections dramatically less safe as a result of conspiracy theories about voting machines he helped spread. His rhetoric directly put the lives of many dozens of congresspeople in jeopardy on J6.

Dennis Prager is jealous of the clicks that Dave Rubin gives Sam 😂

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious. Sam is lucky to get 30 k views

@jkarma3356

Жыл бұрын

@@zoobrizz says the rubin clown.

@blakerackley8874

Жыл бұрын

@@jkarma3356 Good one🙄

The Sam Harris - Dave Rubin convo was about race and IQ, no joke

@synchronium24

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing wrong with having a conversation on that topic, and Sam's *position is well-founded. The mistake is talking to Dave Rubin as though he's a good faith actor. *that equal intelligence among racial groups is an unconfirmed scientific hypothesis (that for ideological reasons leftists like to accept and right wingers like to reject), but we should support political equality whether the hypothesis turns out to be true or false

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

​@@synchronium24 Not sure about the Rubin convo, but that is certainly not all that Harris said/did during his race/IQ debacle. He had Charles Murray on to assert that blacks *not* having genetically lower IQs is *implausible* ; called Murray's critics dishonest, hypocritical, & moral cowards; and said there was "virtually no scientific controversy" around Murray's work. And then threw a tantrum once he was criticized.

@TheKrunel

Жыл бұрын

@@synchronium24 You might want to take the koori iq test

@lilben4184

Жыл бұрын

@@synchronium24 you're just a racist sexist homophobic transphobic Russian bot

@ordohereticus3427

Жыл бұрын

@@taranullius9221 He doesn't understand the difference between heritability, which is all the controversial studies find, and actual genetic basis. That's the problem with the conversation. Many proper academic critiques of this theory have clearly addressed the fact that socioeconomic status and family problems are intergenerational, hence their IQ-depressing effects tend to be -- when studied crudely -- heritable. The far right desperately want this to be purely genetic, because then they can argue for segregation. Ignoring the fact that the arbitrary "white" race has various groups of ethnicities that are quite "low IQ" by their standards (groups that in the past would or not have even been considered "white"). Hell, America with more black people has a median IQ of 100 while the often idealised ethnostates like Bulgaria have a median of 90. The left wing position is largely sound. It doesn't outright deny that there is a genetic aspect to intelligence or that it couldn’t be substantially genetic, but that the environmental confounders have a massive impact on how genetics are expressed and play a large part in how much potential is realised in practical settings. It's also the reason why more studies in psychometrics also find that physically and emotionally abusing children (or even subjecting them to economic anxiety) can depress IQ by almost a whole standard deviation. That’s clear as day a massive impact on IQ just through a purely environmental factor that vindicates people on the left because it shows how we have much more work ahead of us in terms of levelling things so that the overwhelming majority of individuals have the most opportunity to realise their potential and without getting into a numbers game about them as though they're some video game stat. So until we start growing genetically identical humans in sterile labs, controlling all environmental variables from cradle to grave with adequate controls, we will never quite have an answer to just how much of a role a complex matrix of genes in a certain human play when it comes to functional IQ outcomes. And important note: that is unlikely to happen as it would be an ethical and moral catastrophe by today's standards. We don't study humans that way, just as we don't grow entire armies of genetically identical human babies in labs, split them into groups, and then intentionally expose one group to various carcinogens and toxins while the other is there to serve as a control with all other variables tightly controlled.

Sam Harris predicted a possible pandemic in 2016, AND Trumps reaction on it.... and he did it TWICE on Joe Rogans podcast...

@faithnelson6069

Жыл бұрын

thats amazing! if you find a link will you post it?

I have to hand it to Sam Harris, he actually went outside and against the safety of the alt-right echo chamber his peers jumped enthusiastically into. I think for Harris though, it’s about how it would ultimately affect him, and he seems too proud to play the Dave Rubin role.

@DebateCentrals

Жыл бұрын

I think this shows Sam has more integrity than his critics give him credit for. He could have made a fortune being the right wing philosopher guy. If all he cared about was personal gain than he wouldn’t be attacking Trump and alienating a huge audience

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

@@DebateCentrals He likely already has a fortune. He's a hollywood trust fund baby.

@hhiippiittyy

Жыл бұрын

@@nuwio1 That doesn't seeem to stop a lot of other people. In fact, having some wealth can often infect their minds with the need to always and everywhere acquire more wealth however possible, and to judge the value of your work simply by it's ability to provide that accumulation.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

​@@hhiippiittyy I'd assume that is more common if you actually had to acquire your wealth, not if you're born into it. All I'm saying is there are other kinds of personl gain than wealth. Money is not something Harris has ever needed to care about. Imo, what he seeked was validation as a public intellect.

@DebateCentrals

Жыл бұрын

@@nuwio1 just about everyone seeks validation for something. Seeking validation for intellect is fine. Your critiques of Sam very strange

One of the most disturbing things about these modern conservatives is their concept of "friend". Friend must be defined one of two ways by conservatives. Either "Person I kinda know and is polite to me" OR "Person that humors me and I attempt to take advantage of". I have literally never seen one of these people actually behave like a friend. Why do folks like Rubin or Shapiro always feel this excessive need to emphasize they have "friends".... is it something they do to laud over and manipulate their audiences? The majority of their viewers do tend to be lonely individuals.

@aaronsteindler3245

Жыл бұрын

That explains what they really mean by having a black "friend".

@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronsteindler3245 I'm trans and live in a semi conservative part of New Hampshire. I have a lot of "friends" when people are looking for something.. or trying to prove they aren't a pig. I know the routine.

@aaronsteindler3245

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence 😞

@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence

Жыл бұрын

@Cybersix Yeah....sorry I know this by how the ones I experience daily behave. I am going to assume I described you in one of those two assesments. Based on your response, I presume you had the realization just how many people humor you in your daily life. You often find yourself left out I assume? It's funny.... conservatives constantly accuse EVERYONE ELSE of whining and crying and forcing everyone to "buy their narrative" turns out that's the other way around. As someone who is transgender.... I don't care what you do or believe. I just want you to stay the fuck out of my life haha. And yes. Conservativism is entitled and selfish. Look at how you think an entire country of almost 330 million should live according to the fundamental religious beliefs of way less than half of the country. Your definition of being "oppressed" is "not being able to shit on the people I deem subhuman" You folks are not worth it. Good luck to you.

@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence

Жыл бұрын

​@Cybersix Oh and I define "friend" as pretty much an extension of my family. People whom I love without condition. Who I support and celebrate fully. People I genuinely care about. Not "people I put in a box and pull out when I want or need them and put away when it's convenient." If you are the type of person whose belief system "can't allow you to support something because of your religion or beliefs" than we COULD NOT be friends in any capacity. Why? Well because of YOUR beliefs I would constantly have to make compromise and accept being treated like I am second class. Or worse? Live in fear that if the time came you would fucking sell me out and let me die on the street because of your "beliefs". And finally..... Yes. I have many close friends and family. I have been married for 15 years now! My husband and I have successfully raised my 2nd cousin as our adopted daughter for that entire duration. I own a profitable business. Have good relationships with many in my community. My life is good. Mainly because I don't associate with folks like you outside of conducting business. And I only conduct business with folks like you when yer paying cash...... Because conservatives also have a tendency to be cheap and try to avoid paying their bills. They also LOVE taking government subsidies and free money man haha.... then shit on the poor and those in need for doing the same. I don't do charity that benefits RED STATES or Conservatives either. Just making sure you guys don't do something that goes against your beliefs you know? I want make sure you folks don't steer into communism and give up on that awesome Conservative Personal Responsibility you all love so much.

When Seder tries to go after Harris, he just reverts to straw manning him… Harris was being hypothetical so Seder takes him literally… so poor.

Sam Harris is a great intellect. These criticisms are not thought through.

It's funny that Seder is so dismissive of Harris (which is fine with me) and yet they basically agree that Hunters laptop was a non-story.

@johnnytwotimes7854

Жыл бұрын

But Harris's reasoning was pretty terrible

@jeffreycarman2185

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnytwotimes7854 exactly what I was going to say. I am all for people being held accountable for wrong-doing. If there were any shred of credibility to this Hunter Biden laptop red herring it should be investigated, and if anything comes from that investigation, Hunter should be brought to trial. Same goes for Trump. The law should be equally applied to all people regardless of how much money they have or who they are.

@ivandafoe5451

Жыл бұрын

...and somehow agreeing on one issue makes them kindred spirits?

@christopherweise438

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnytwotimes7854 - Hunter is not POTUS and that's "terrible reasoning?" WTF? If we use the right wing approach we should also be investigating Don Jr. since both he and Hunter are cocaine addict sons of U.S. Presidents.

@stevenclark5173

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnytwotimes7854 His reasoning isn't terrible, he was just being as charitable as he possibly could to the counter argument to show that even if they were completely right about Hunter Biden, Trump still was the worst option.

I always thought it was Sam who inspired Dave to pivot to the right. Because what Sam does looks easy (especially to a dumb person). “Just use very long sentences and say Ideas a lot.”

@christopherweise438

Жыл бұрын

Or Ben "talk super fast" Shapiro.

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

He seems very intelligent

@thesprawl2361

Жыл бұрын

Sam is honest to a fault. He is genuinely honest, he says what he really believes, and a lot of the time I disagree with him, but the fact that he does so in good faith - I think the only time I got frustrated and thought ‘you’re not being honest with yourself here’ is his discussions about gun control - and his honesty is a kind of childlike, naive why-isn’t-everyone-operating-in-good-faith-like-me honesty, which means he trusts people like Dave Rubin and maajid nawaz and Douglas Murray to operate in all spheres with the same honesty and rationality they do in the spheres that personally interest Sam. And he keeps doing that, and he keeps getting tripped up.

Sam Harris is an ego maniac. Every time he engages in the debate is the same: Sam refuses to recognize when he is wrong. This is an important part of a true intellect imho. However, Harris simply rams through everything like a bull in a China shop. The man's self-inflated sense of self is of epic proportions. Chomsky made him look like a child.

I don’t see the problem with Harris’ view on this one. Let’s welcome those that recognize the dangers of Trump and the “new” GOP.

Those two "comedians," both total mediocrities, were able to throw off Harris simply by not looking moved or impressed by what he was saying. These anti-left intellectuals are paper tigers.

@yelnatsch517

Жыл бұрын

What? Sam Harris isn't anti-left. He's pro left.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

@@yelnatsch517 The bulk of his political commentary over the years has been steelmanning the right and strawmanning the left in very stupid, shallow ways. I would not call him pro left.

@hikelfin

Жыл бұрын

@@yelnatsch517 BRO NO

@JPH1138

Жыл бұрын

@@yelnatsch517 So the definition of left-wing is "doesn't like Trump"?

@mwmulv

Жыл бұрын

@@yelnatsch517 kind of

I have been accused of Trump derangement syndrome several times by both of my Trump loving brothers. It's a badge of honor.

@seymourbutts4654

Жыл бұрын

He's the biggest dirt bag to ever come down the pike.

@yamahkogribbis6212

Жыл бұрын

@Future Deadguy if I were alive in 1935, I'd be accused of Hitler/Mussolini/Franco derangement syndromes also. I can recognize autocrats, it's a disease! Or perhaps the "derangement" is when a con man can convince you that a fair election was stolen. When he can convince you that the real problems are the immigrants, the woke and the poor. Have you considered that you might be deranged yourself?

@zentai5076

Жыл бұрын

anyone who still supports trump, after all this, is the pne who is deranged

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

Yes because you listen to derangement person who doesn't know what his talking about.

@DrTimWhatleyDDS

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on letting Donald Trump live rent free in your head, I guess. 🏆

Petty criminality of Donald Trump? This man doesn't have a clue.

I don’t think Sam was walking back his description that it was a left-wing conspiracy… I think he was trying to address the interviewer’s question of whether Sam was content with that idea.

@inetnomad3521

Жыл бұрын

Correct, he was speaking in the voice of a typical Trumper and then he proceeded to speak in his own voice. Seeder misinterpreted Harris.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

Жыл бұрын

@@inetnomad3521 yep exactly, failed to use "air quotes" and his half-asleep audience took it literally

@jonvelde5730

Жыл бұрын

@@inetnomad3521 Sedar doesnt seem to "get" Harris. To my mind, it makes Seder look bad rather than the reverse.

The only thing they have on Joe, is in his son's laptop? Pathetic!

I've listened to Sam Harris for many, many years. He was a major part of my journey from Mormonism after 36 years (from birth). He's not right about everything he says but to say he's not a deep thinker is kinda, frankly, ignorant.

@ceerealitymusic

Жыл бұрын

do you think Islam is a unique evil too? read his exchanges with Chomsky and see the depth, or lack there of, of his thinking process

@elephantman2112

Жыл бұрын

Sam really isn't a deep thinker, though. He's spent twenty years talking about the Middle East and he knows absolutely nothing about it. It's actually kind of mindblowing.

@heddings7680

Жыл бұрын

He’s a religious essentialist. His entire analysis of the Middle East is through his conception of Islam. It completely ignores the material conditions and nuances of each country.

@sfurules

Жыл бұрын

@@elephantman2112 He may have in the past...I have only really listened to his Making Sense podcast but I've heard nearly all of it. Which goes back to 2011, so that's 11 years of his time...yes he comments on religion and the oppression is represents and and no religion has been left out of that line of fire (with the exception of Jainism). But I don't remember anything that would even be more than passing comments on the middle east. Again, though, I should reiterate that many times I have been on my long commute home muttering in my car alone because he's taking a stupid stance on whatever topic. And sometimes it does feel he is a little ignorant on some things and so...as an adult, I am capable to hearing those things and saying to myself "Huh...naw I don't agree with that". If you ever find anyone you always agree with, there's a serious problem somewhere.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

I can appreciate that people found value or catharsis in Harris' atheism work (I myself did at one time), but however important fighting religious fundamentalism was and remains, nothing about Harris' work there was particularly deep.

Sam Harris is probably the funniest man alive because of a single statement on Very Bad Wizards. “The Shining isn’t scary because it’s not logical” So dedicated to logic and reason he’s incensed by ghosts

The thing is, Sam Harris has always been against the obvious nationalistic forces, whether that be Trumpism or alt-right etc. However, he suffers from a false equivalency issue and somewhat of a supremacy issue when it comes to topics like Israel, IQ studies, antifa vs nationalists. To him, students demonstrating against having Ben Shapiro come to their university to spread agenda driven nationalism, is a worse or equal threat to that of nationalism threatening the fabric of democracy through election meddling. In recent years, he has understood some of this imbalance and adjusted his positions to be more sensible, which is why you hear pushback from his former conservative allies such as Dave Rubin. I certainly would not put Sam Harris in the same boat as Douglas Murray, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin and the likes. Those are agenda driven to the core, it is their origin story. Harris has always tried to be reasonable on every topic, it just happens that during the rise of the alt-right, he and a few others within his circle (Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer) got more or less influenced into an echo-chamber that directed them in the wrong direction. My reasoning is that these three latter individuals I mentioned can be reasoned with, they can be spoken to without facing prejudices and they do not, at their core, believe nationalism to be morally right. That being said, I do think that Sam Harris has been a negative overall force in the political discourse and that has to do more with his willingness to give platform to controversial individuals such as Douglas Murray (White culture is superior, supremacy), Peterson (pronouns are evil) etc. This willingness of his is also reflected in Bill Maher, in that they both think that in the marketplace of ideas, nothing must be obstructed, not even agenda driven hate, because good ideas will outdo bad ideas. Yet, in the real world, we know historically that this is not the case in the short run, because bad ideas can end up causing a great deal of avoidable suffering, before good ideas finish them off.

"We just wanna have honest conversations" gives me some real *fReE eXcHaNgE oF iDeAs* vibes 🤦🏾‍♂️

@tofubutcher7456

Жыл бұрын

Yeah literally the same grift

I'm not a fan of Harris, either. He's not much of a deep thinker.

@kennyehm2004

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious as to what inclines you to say that?

@aswaney7449

Жыл бұрын

Same

“I’m not even sure why we are talking about this…” LOLOLOLOLOL

What's Rubin's obsession with being friends with everyone?

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

High profile and popular people make Rubin 💰💰💰

@JPH1138

Жыл бұрын

'Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people'.

@famalam943

Жыл бұрын

Because he’s not an asshole. You all go after him all the time but he never does the same.

@christopherweise438

Жыл бұрын

@@famalam943 - You can't grift people that you pissed off. That's why he's not an asshole. Has nothing to do with being genuinely nice to people. You are proof that his "game" works. You fell for it.

@ipeeinpublicpools543

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherweise438 why is it always this or that black or white with types of people in echo chambers like this? Only a sith deals in absolutes. Being as nice as possible to everyone regardless of politics isn't a bad thing. So tribal here.

I thought, hahaha this hasn’t aged well.. then realized… this is only hours old???

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Wow. 🤡☝️

Dave Rubin reminds me of the guy in class who always raised his hand to answer the teacher's question and he was always wrong. But he continued to believe he was the smartest person in the room.

I was a a Harris fan for his atheism. He's one of the four horseman. I don't follow what he's into now.

Glasses guy is like reactionary John Oliver. Hasan said that and I can't unsee it

Does anyone honestly think that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bad thing? I mean, those among us who knew or realized that Donald Trump the politician was bad news? If anything, it's a compliment. Or just turn it upon those who accuse us of TDS, and just replace derangement with denial, we'd be correct defining the Trump Cult with TDS.

@jeffreycarman2185

Жыл бұрын

Trump derangement syndrome is just the name that the MAGA cult has come up with when people point out the obvious lies, corruption, and fraud that their Dear Leader brags openly about committing.

@jocksharerock7318

Жыл бұрын

You’re correct! It’s a natural state to be in when there’s a fear of Donald Trump, Bannon, Giuliani, Mike Flynn and the Kraken controlling all levers of the federal government

@johnorona99

Жыл бұрын

What do you think people mean when they say TDS? It's sounds like you think it's a good thing

@charlesandrews2360

Жыл бұрын

It describes people who believe that Trump has ever done anything resembling decent in his entire life

@ipeeinpublicpools543

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to cult mentality, trump seems to have made the left turn into a cult of hatred of 1 person rather than a cult of worship of 1 person. I truly believe the left hates and fumigates more on trump than the right does liking him.

Play the tape, no pause it. We haven't started it yet. Pause it anyway.

"Fenton, Shut Up! Aright, Shut Up! And you stop your weasly little crying! Now apologize to your Mother, and then apologize to everyone here at the party! NOW!"

To be slightly fair, I think Sam Harris was trying to say it was a ‘supposed’ left wing conspiracy, rather than a real one. At least that was the impression I got.

Let's all remember how Dave's interviews with Sam Harris was the one that launched his right wing grifter career.

@hikelfin

Жыл бұрын

I think I would place that one more at the Milo, Elder and Shapiro ones he did very early on, but I kinda agree

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I listen to him daily 👍❤️

@blakerackley8874

Жыл бұрын

you post this on a left wing grifter's video🤣🤣

@justatiger6268

Жыл бұрын

@@zoobrizz I also watch Dave for the comedy. Sh*t he says is freakin' hilarious.

Sam Harris is awesome. The character assasination is getting pathetic. Dave Rubin on the other hand, that's warranted.

Lets be honest here, Sam would embarrass Seder and Rubin in a debate lol. Seder still clueless about religion.

I actually like Sam Harris compared to the rest of the IDW.

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

A key thing about Harris is that he actually disowned the IDW, turning in his virtual IDW card, as he put it.

@seanwhitehall4652

Жыл бұрын

best of the grouping by far

@Brunoku

Жыл бұрын

@@georgesprat9697 Yeah, he's the only one that isn't a grifter

I like Sam Harris a lot and seems pretty on point when I here him talk. What am I missing?

@billyconnelly3568

Жыл бұрын

He has no understanding of political economy. His analysis is devoid of materialist rigor. He evinces no understanding of history or of the savagery of colonialism, let alone that entailed by the imposition of capitalism around the world. America's imperialist policies and actions and their consequences in the past 100 years don't factor into his analysis. He's a pseudo-intellectual.

@Loner-Wolf

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the point where Sam says he wouldn't care if Hunter Biden had kids locked in his basement...maybe your missing that point...Maybe?🤷‍♂️

@TheKrunel

Жыл бұрын

Harris likes to present as reasonable and even-handed. There's the time he advocated for torture. Had a conversation on race and iq. Theorised about a nuclear first-strike against an islamist regime. In the clip he says "Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement, I would not have cared".

@johnorona99

Жыл бұрын

He's a target of MR taunting so they don't feel the need to address him in good faith or anything like that. It's quite tribal

@charlesandrews2360

Жыл бұрын

Nothing, you're just easily entertained apparently.

What Dave Rubin means is, he once was on the left wing of a boeing 747 during its flight to 3 socialist mexican countries in africa

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Simple minds have simple thoughts 🤡☝️

So after 6 years of going through trump top to bottom and you still have nothing

Sam Harris was speaking hypothetically about Joe Biden getting kickbacks.

Sam Seder does such a good job of not understanding Harris's argument. He tends to have strong opinions about things he does not at all understand.

@ripztubig4457

Жыл бұрын

Fake account, "created 14 hours ago"

I think I heard that Dave Rubin still drinks from a sippy cup and has to wear a helmet when he's out in public...

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Wow How old are you ? 🤡☝️

The guy with the Glasses looks like Sam Rockwell

My beef with Hunter is that he pretends to be a barista when we all that boy can't even boil water.

@nicholaszamudio2189

Жыл бұрын

What?

@YukonBloamie

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholaszamudio2189 Jared Kushner: the man is saying it's nepotism

@user-ue5nl7mf3l

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholaszamudio2189 SAY WHAT AGAIN SAY WHAT WHAT AGAIN SAY WHAT ONE MORE G.D.TIME I DARE YOU M-EFFER

honestly havent listened to sam harris much if at all, but he did an interview on Rogan in 2016 that I didnt see until 2020 ( i dont watch Rogan), and laid out an eerily correct foreshadowing of the implications of electing a man like trump. Almost everything he said came true at one point or another.

@janbeggebeen

Жыл бұрын

Totally true. the man has a very analytical brain. He is so high above me in IQ it scares me. But I can not find many things wrong with what he says.

@arhael1

Жыл бұрын

Something that was known by many. Why do you think nobody believed in Trumps winning primary? Sam Harris is another example of idea of smart man in a head of dumb people. And I did listen to his podcast few years ago, for few months and sorry not impressed. This guy doesn't bring anything to the table.

@janbeggebeen

Жыл бұрын

@@arhael1 ok… just out of curiosity … Who do you consider a smart person on topics like Trump … wokeism …. I am not a high iq person but I do consider Harris above average. Certainly not Sam Seder.

@arhael1

Жыл бұрын

​@@janbeggebeen 'Certainly not Sam Seder,' and that's a proof you really are a not high iq person. Not a fanboy or anything, and I did listen do Harris years before Seder, even read his books. I have much respect for Seder, and not at all for Harris. This clip is pure example of that.

@janbeggebeen

Жыл бұрын

@@arhael1 ha ha … there is one advantage of having a low IQ. I m too stupid too worry about my problems. Have a good day sir

This guy is even crazier than Sam Harris. Can’t believe you are actually deciding to say the things that are coming out of your mouth.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I feel like he deeply offends Sam Harris on a molecular level, or something. I remember he said some shit about him being worse than Osama Bin Laden - and we all know how Sam feels about Islam, so that's saying A LOT

@grantbeck9228

Жыл бұрын

His point was OBL can kill three thousand Americans and it’s a tragedy and starts a war, but trump could bring down the whole country and end the American experiment completely

@faithnelson6069

Жыл бұрын

his rants on trump are very funny. got me through some very dark days of that circus.

@sifunmon

Жыл бұрын

His reasoning on that issue made sense, I thought. Not sure I agree exactly but he did have a point

@stevenclark5173

Жыл бұрын

@@sifunmon In terms of the damage and suffering he has caused thus far, I think Trump far outclasses Bin Laden.

@georgesprat9697

Жыл бұрын

@@sifunmon I think Harris said that Bin Laden basically had a cause that he believed he was morally obligated to pursue, even though his moral framework was twisted to the point of being totally evil. Trump, however, has no moral compass at all. In that sense, Bin Laden is a person who believes they're doing good but is massively morally confused by ideology. This means, at least in theory, that Bin Laden could change his mind or could have been a good person had he grown up in a different environment (e.g. one where he was never introduced to radical Islam). By contrast, Trump is incapable of doing good; his only priority is himself because he has an intractable personality disorder.

I’m a viewer of both Sam and TMR and Sam Harris. I think Sam Seder accusing Sam Harris of Islamophobia is wrong, but I understand why that might seem the case to anyone just occasionally paying attention to Harris. The problem is created by Harris himself with his rhetorical tendency to use hyperbole to make his point. Taken out of context it makes him look extreme. I bet TMR has more Sam Harris viewers like me than Seder realizes.

He's intelligent enough - not "incredibly" - his problem is being frequently clueless

@rhalfik

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. He has his elegant way of reasoning, but lacks knowledge. He comes off as really shallow.

@Toy1er

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like he's not as intelligent as he makes himself out to be. Are truly intelligent people ever so wrong & clueless on so many different topics? No. But self-proclaimed geniuses usually are.

Sam, you keep mentioning Harris's 'defence of torture' essay. Did you know he'd also had one of the Bell Curve authors on his podcast and commiserated with him for his book unfairly being 'misunderstood'? I think it was Charles Murray. Should still be easy to find on Harris's own site.

Rave Dubin proves how unbelievably easy it is to be a right wing pundit even with horrific brain damage.

I have to disagree. While Dave Rubin is a tool, Sam Harris is a deep thinker, great and honest debater, and most importantly, one of the four horsemen. His thoughts might not align with the Left completely, but I'm sure he genuinely believes what he says and I bet no one will have an easy time arguing against him with logic and facts.

@nuwio1

Жыл бұрын

Harris is obv leagues above Rubin in intellect. But, in my experience, he is largely a very shallow, surface level thinker. Moreover, he's had a pattern of structurally insulating himself from his harshest or strongest critics (Brooks, Seder, Mehdi Hasan, nearly Ezra Klein), usually by accusing them of not meeting a ridiculous standard of charitability or good faith that Harris himself doesn't come remotely close to.

@genesmith3582

Жыл бұрын

wrong. Chomsky torched him.

Dave Rubin blames the left for his own right wing fans hating his gay marriage. His opinion on any topic is poisoned by idiocy and bigotry.

_"I think this guy so appreciates the sound of his own voice that he says things without really thinking about them a lot of times or without contemplating the implications of them."_ Pretty much sums up 335,236,943 people who live in a fantasy land called the United States of America. *It especially applies to EVERY KZreadr, journalist, TV presenter, celebrity, Tik Tokker and wannabe star on the planet.* I actually watched the Triggernometary interview with Sam Harris and that part of it made him sound like the one rational voice in America because for a change he was putting PERSPECTIVE onto the subject. How does Dave Rubin and the other Hunter Biden ranter compare whatever Hunter might have done with the fact Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump worked IN THE WHITEHOUSE and made a reported $400 million while they were they.

@alexanderwestphal9777

Жыл бұрын

Yea bro . I also hate how Michael brooks poisoned the well against Sam Harris. He isn't racist against muslims. He believes the ideology qnd teachings of Islam are literally dangerous and can cause stochastic terrorism

@tonywilson4713

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderwestphal9777 Taking that further Sam Harris has spoken against other religious ideologies for similar reasons. I think before Sam Seder says anything like that again he should look in the mirror first and ask how much he likes the sound of his own voice and believes how brilliant his own opinions are.

@krisowy79

Жыл бұрын

This was always the most astonishing thing to me - Hunter Biden? - who gives a shit, the man never holded any office. Trump hire his f.king kids to the WH IN THE OPEN! him and his kids were breaking the emalumnet clauses for 4 years, again, in the open, and first time in US history!...and what did the right say? - churp churp churp...this is willful hipocrisy of highest level

@ordohereticus3427

Жыл бұрын

The majority of ire against Harris is on two grounds: his defence of foreign policy and torture, and his antipathy to Islamic extremism. The first can be debated and he has blind spots, but the latter, he's largely on the mark, though he needs adequate counter points to consider as well. He has far less in common with the whole IDW crowd than he does with their opposition, yet, due to the state of discourse, he's somehow lumped in with the other crowd.

@ehyena

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it was closer to 600 million

The beginning part was a bit of projection there from Seder. I don’t agree with Harris but clearly he thinks about these things

sam who? sam "you're misinterpreting my message" harris?

Sam Harris is similar to Richard Dawkins in that he is very intelligent and knowledgeable in his chosen field but he mistakenly assumes that applies across many other fields as well due to their arrogance.

@CARambolagen

Жыл бұрын

Which would be true for everyone

Right wing default mode of operation. Call anyone mentioning trump TDS Eventhough trump is all over the news 😂

Both very cringe 😬

Wow is that what Sam looks like these days? I haven't kept up with him at all since The Majority Report pulled me out of that in 2018.

@mrh3894

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was doing jiujitsu and shit like that, er maybe he's been too injured to exercise

The fact that Harris fights religion is enough for me. Love you all as well but harris is well educatas well when it comes to certain subjects and demolishing religion is one. Of them

Give an example a Sam Harris saying something without thinking about it

Of course it is amateurs he chooses. It would be a huge break in hubris if he didn't get people who grovel and kiss his limp sphincter

@citizenVader

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@X O not necessarily plural. I was only alluding to the persistent rumors, and a few real sightings, that suggests that he does take a dump where he stands.. so therefore a limp sphincter

@citizenVader

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@X O now why would I want to attack bottom.. it's still the most brilliant and obnoxious thing to ever be broadcast from the United kingdom.. Well that depends on how good you even know that old little TV show, with Adrian Edmondson and Rik Mayall. That was actually bottom, and I'll eat my hair if I am lying.

I believe Harris was using the Biden kickback thing as a hypothetical: even IF Joe Biden had done all these nefarious things, that would still pale in comparison to Trump’s record of corruption. Also who cares if Sam Harris loves the sound of his own voice. Most people who talk for a living, including you, love the sound of their own voice. No shame there. Here’s the truth, though-both Dave Rubin and Sam Harris love to hear themselves talk. But one of them is moron, and the other is actually a fairly brilliant guy.

@nuwio1

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He 's a moderately smart guy, but I haven't seen evidence at all of him being remotely brilliant. He's quite demonstrably shallow. Even this hunter biden clip. Harris makes his point in the most dumbest, stumbling way he could have.

@faithnelson6069

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funny, there are a bunch guys that love to hear themselves talk, but i never pegged Harris as one of those. further, his voice is very calming and easy to take in. i sometimes nod in agreement, even if i don't.

Whenever Hunter Biden Comes Up: ... Me: well, he aint the president, no?

Sam Harris is literately the embodiment of "You Either Die a Hero, or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become the Villain"

@alexstewart8097

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And an authoritarian anti Constitutional villain at that...

@draxxthemsclounts2478

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In zero ways

I'm liking Seder less & less especially with his weirdly unfounded criticisms of Harris.

How can anyone take this guy seriously?

Sam Seder has 1% of the intelligence as Sam Harris.

I listen to the Harris podcast regularly, and he is indeed rational. I don't take his comments as being Islamophobic, they were a diagnosis of religious extremism a whole, which is terrible and wretched, be it from Christian fascists, or Islamic fascists. It is the opioid of truly deranged people.

@sifunmon

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Yep spot on. People accusing him of being of bigotry xenophobia against Muslims either don’t know what they’re talking about or they’re lying

@eddieperez7132

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Harris has always been consistent with calling out religion, it’s just that for some reason the left tends to play favorites with Islam. I got thrown out of an anti-Christian focused social media atheist group for telling a lady who started her comment with “I’m a muslim” and then she proceeded to talk about how awful Christianity is and she was pointing out all the ways in which Christianity is ridiculous. I told her that while I agreed about how awful and absurd Christianity is that by her being Muslim it was pretty much the pot calling the kettle black… and I got kicked out lol. That group was filled with a bunch of lefties who just wanted to bash Christianity (which I’m all for) but for some reason they defended Islam, I guess they’ve never seen the awful stuff that Islam is capable of… I really don’t understand the tip toeing around blatantly awful religions. The funniest part of that Christian bashing group was another person angrily commented that I “shouldnt be attacking Muslims at a time like this” because there was a serial killer killing Muslims in Arizona (I think that’s where it was). Come to find out that it was a Muslim serial killer who was killing his fellow Muslims. Lol, religion is so predictable. I wish I could have went back to that post just to share the link to that news story but I couldn’t cuz I was kicked out, lol. …but yeah Sam Harris seems to be a pretty reasonable fella. MR is cool most of the time but I personally enjoy a good Harris or a throwback Hitchens conversation more than these guys. But to each their own I guess.

@sifunmon

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@@eddieperez7132 interesting comment. I’m a lapsed Irish catholic with some faith left (open to other ideas in other faiths now) and I absolutely agree that the way liberals in particular talk about the two biggest faiths in the world is completely different and largely hypocritical. It’s clear that it’s politically correct to insult and demean Christian’s of all stripes but it’s considered racist if you do the same to Muslims. It also is actively driving people to the right, I think , if they have faith and feel insulted by the left

@ivandafoe5451

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Harris was on the "Islamophobic" bandwagon and went too far in condemning them in a generalized way. If he was supposedly condemning religious extremism as a whole, he failed to communicate that effectively in a timely manner.

@technologic21

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@@ivandafoe5451 He's clarified his stance against Christian extremism in the past year on the podcast.

Well at least Sam Harris is somewhat educated

@Toy1er

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Well that tuition was wasted money because it didn't make him any less wrong or insufferable.

3:12 - he did and does. It’s documented, it’s proven, it’s fact. But you don’t know that because you live in an echo chamber and are too afraid to seek any inconvenient fact which may challenge this reality you’ve made for yourself.

Sam Harris may not be the best qualified political pundit would absolutely mop the floor with you over just about any topic out there. You're punching way above your weight pal.

Sam Seder really loves to miss the forest for the trees.

I like Sam Seder, but it is frustrating to watch him agree with Sam Harris but rebut him anyway.

@johnorona99

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Once MR deems someone as bad it's very hard for them to be objective

@pedrolopez-torrestubbs7569

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there is a negative cognitive bias of many leftist podcasters on Sam Harris

@ivandafoe5451

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Why would this frustrate you? We ALL have mixed opinions of people.

Harris was so right here, it hurts. Especially for Rubin