Time stamps: 0:01 Intro 0:54 Adge 3:21 Intro 2 4:43 Destiny viewership/content creation and live service model 13:09 Datto couldn't survive the length of FFXIV 18:18 Adge 2 20:14 Game development is hard, game genre talk (ft. Extraction Shooters, Live Service again) 47:28 Adge 3 48:29 Blue gushes about MMOs and then back to Live Service talk again (ft. Monetization) 1:01:04 Gaming evolution (ft. VR gaming) 1:06:04 Datto's thoughts on Lightfall, Destiny talk 1:24:51 Viewer questions 1:43:29 Outro

@raphaeltseng1380

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

I really liked this podcast topics. The trajectory of gaming is very... Interesting right now... I think it's absolutely a bummer how much predatory tactics are used to continue the cycle of pushing out the unfinished games like what Fruit was talking about, or to push you over that mental barrier to have you fall into a predatory tactic to spend money. It's so weird thinking about where and how gaming will evolve since it feels like so many things have been covered, and there's just this kind of homogeneity of pushing out the safe, yet unfinished bets. I don't see AAA games evolving or changing drastically, but I do see that in indie games, like with Pizza Tower for example.

@TheJCghost

Жыл бұрын

Your looking in the wrong areas

Love this crew!!! Miss rob

Excellent discussion guys.. will def be back for more.

Crazy that when you guys started talking about extraction shooters, I immediately started thinking of that one video you and Blue did for The Division when Survival came out. Loved that video, probably gonna rewatch it again after this!

@jayquae795

Жыл бұрын

I remember that one, one of my favorite videos from them lol

DIVISION SURVIVAL WAS PEAK. so many people don’t even know what it is but it was SO FUN. extraction, coop, cold survival mechanic, just omg content

Heidi ho everyone my names mr fruit and today we use quantum magic to replace rhabby with datto

Fell off the podcast wagon a few months back when life got busy with sports but spring break is here and I have a lot of D2 to grind to the pod

fruits knowledge on the gaming industry and the whole eververse discussion got me hella excited for the game (i hope) he’s still working on

@GGoverEZ_Podcast

Жыл бұрын

I wish, but unfortunately I just don't have the cash to fund anything. Plus - the game that I could realistically create (and the one I want to make the most) would be a far departure from what people would expect but the idea I have is for about a ~3-4 hour narrative driven action/puzzle game

Would love to cop an updated version of the Extended Dream Team shirt, what about fitting more members on the back? Great episode as always, love the content!

Love this format.

Good episode guys!

Love the content!!! Super funny edits too!

Damn Division Survival brings back so many memories, personally put in so many hours in Division 1. Wish it got more attention when it was active

@Storebror492

Жыл бұрын

The transition from Division 1 Patch 1.4 to the release of Division 2 was too fast and the game changed *way to much* over the course of that time and made it feel so bad to play. Division 2 Beta was a blast, however the hype died off fast once I owned the game.

datto that interview neeeeeeeds to happen I need to watch that .

Here’s do Datto doing the 10 years retrospective of his KZread journey

Not sure why but for some reason when I first saw Blue's picture, I thought behind his penguin were just hairy legs and knees.......I can't unsee it now. I usually only listen to the podcast lol

I always thought of an Engine as like the foundation, framework and like the cables and pipes of a house. So you build your walls upon the foundation, build your house, decorate and what not. And then you wanna change the pipes and make them better, sturdier or whatever. You gonna have to break a whole bunch of stuff to replace your pipes and then fix what you've broken after you done the pipework. Which leaves you with new and better pipes, but it's gonna have at the very least faint marks left after you rebuilt it. Maybe this is just a bongcloud take though, cos I don't actually know lmao

I love when single player, single story games have a good amount of replay-ability. Cyberpunk is a good example; a bunch of different and unique builds, play styles etc. Live services are tough-but a good single player story game if it’s good enough, can keep me entertained almost as much; if not more.

Datto made a good point near the end about an interview he would love to have with a Bungie employee. My question is, why not? Why wouldn't Bungie want to "educate the community"?

It's funny hearing them talk about battle pass and season pass fatigue because I was just going through that. Grinded to finish the D2 Season pass just to rush and finish the CoD season pass in the last 2 weeks before today when the new Pass comes out just to grind that for the next 9 days before Dead Island and Jedi Survivor comes out after. There just isn't time to grind as much anymore

I found a couple of bits really interesting here. 1: It seems as games push to be more live service, they strain the relationship with the hardcore audience (looking at you Destiny), BUT they also push away people who would be defined as casual in so far as they don't commit to one game, they play on something of a rotation of games. Specifically with Blue's point ab battle passes, I only buy the pass in Destiny these days, whereas I used to buy maybe 3 or 4 different passes across different games I just don't feel as motivated these days to get some skins and emotes. 2: I have to disagree with Blue about Bungie pushing social issues (in the game) as a good thing. Stories as long as humans could communicate have been a way of escaping the troubles and stresses and controversies of the day, to allow one reprieve, to escape to a world of fantasy, and live in those stories, those places. Gaming takes it to a whole new level, in that now, instead of just being a bystander, you, (and by extension anyone who joins you) can truly experience the world of a story in a whole new manner. To take a world that wasn't afflicted with these particular issues and artificially inject them seems hollow. That's not to say you can't make a quality story based around social issues, BUT there is a large difference between genuinely toiling with a complicated issue by seeing multiple views through different characters, and just tossing "THE MESSAGE" in after the fact for whatever reason, it seems disingenuous. As always fantastic pod chaps, looking forward to the next.

@dankerbell

Жыл бұрын

2 is such a gigantic L, escaping from what? black people? all art is inherently political, nothing wrong with bungie wanting to make their stories actually mean something

@pixelomega3042

Жыл бұрын

@@dankerbell While political issues and social issues often overlap, they aren't the same thing. Timeless classics that focus on social issues (in this instance I'm thinking of pre 2000's Star Trek, Star Wars tackled its fair share of issues) present these genuinely difficult and complex issues with (for lack of a better term) a form of moral ambiguity. As though it's not the job of the storyteller to force their opinion on the narrative, rather, the narrative is used as a vessel to explore the issue in detail. Contrasting that to modern stories, where writers a majority of the time use a narrative to push specifically their point of view without an option to have that sort of discussion through the narrative. It's almost as though they aren't confident enough in their own interpretation of the world and how it should function cannot be tested in this way. Tying this back into Bungie and Destiny, the Bungie writers haven't been incredibly socially active in the Destiny narrative until maybe Shadowkeep at the earliest, (not to say anything about the company out of the game, as they have been champions for many causes outside of their games). The point being, this is all disingenuous, for example from Lightfall, Nimbus' pronouns were added in at the 11th hour. It wasn't an idea that was part of the early concept for the character, and that little piece of info is LITERALLY just to fill a diversity and inclusivity quota. Bungie's stories do mean lots of things, but to say that adding bits like this is making the story mean more or have more gravitas is simply not true.

@pixelomega3042

Жыл бұрын

Also escaping from daily life and the stresses entailed therein. That is the point of a story. Even in a 3 sentenced reply to a multiple paragraph comment, I think you can do better than subtly calling me a racist.

Thank you for answering my question! And thank you for your advice. I appreciate the fuck out of you guys❤️❤️❤️ Y’all keep my head up every day 🥰

Ngl listening to this one as someone who quit D2 made me start thinking I was the problem and that majority of people actually enjoyed the game. But after reading the TL it’s nice to know that I’m not the only one that’s burnt out

one of the only things i appreciate from the current halo title is their battle pass is just xp locked and not time sensitive. You buy it and it is your's eventually.

Thank u blue division survival was so good and fun but sadly the loot and mode got stale because they never updated it but I still go back and play a round or two

Mr. Fruit!!! Roguelike FPS called Gunfire Reborn. I've only played it on game pass but PC has a dlc with extra weapons and characters. Super addicting and fun.

3:30

Dude blue is right! Division survival was so good!

Yaaaaassss Mr. Fruit! Hippos are my main

As someone with over 4000 hours in Escape from Tarkov, as well as 2000+ on D2, I would love to chat with Datto and explain to him why EFT is, even as busted and broken as it is, and always will be, one of the best experiences in gaming. Tarkov, unlike Destiny, isn't about the loot, it isn't about the weapons, the gear, or anything "tangible" within the game. It's about those pure, visceral moments where your adrenaline is pumping IRL, your fight or flight instincts have kicked in, and you're so focused on just surviving the next few minutes that nothing else in the world matters. I play D2 to relax. I find the grind to be almost therapeutic, (although I really wish the content wasn't so easy these days), it's great to unwind from serious gaming.

The greatest game I’ve ever played was Bloodborne (& then it’s DLC). No game will ever impress me after that game

@guan_yu2375

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@Reikuma-X

Жыл бұрын

Not even elden ring?

I hate microtransactions, but when I have more than enough money to spend, I do genuinely love buying ornaments and running around the tower or on patrol just to enjoy how cool I look.

Woah I thought I was the only one that defaults to a bowl of penne pasta with butter and parm when idk what to eat

I’m JUST old enough to have experienced games that just released finished. Not quite old enough for the classics, but old enough to remember the time before literally constant updates needing to be downloaded and glitches or bugs ruining a game. Destiny was my first real encounter with those kinds of games, and every day I miss those days of just having fun with games that were what I bought. Even Pokémon doesn’t go by this standard anymore and wow does it sting

Asking a dev to port a game to a new engine is like having a house and then being like, "let's replace the foundation, that can't be hard or expensive!"

@Amirifiz

Жыл бұрын

Yea, it's not that hard. You just rip out the entire house replace the foundation then rebuild the entire house exactly the same. You got all that Sony money, can't you just throw money at people. Cause that's how it works right? Throw money at people and things happen.

halo 2 and halo 3 were by far the greatest FPS games of all time... literally the FPS GOATS... without halo we wouldn't have any of this Esports and tournaments they way we did/do...put some respect on Chiefs name...

It’s been awhile since I’ve listened but what I missed most was just these long in depth conversations, like right at the end when they started talking about therapy was just this super interesting topic and hearing different perspectives was so fascinating, I get that they need advertisements to fund the podcast but I miss just the Indy, small town, we don’t know where this is going feelings that the earlier episodes had. Just miss tuning in every Sunday or whenever they come out(lmao it’s been so long I forgot) idk just venting

I would play the hell out of an X-COM style Destiny game

The thing with eververse is that ya I wish things were free and obtainable in game but I get why they cost money, I also don’t spend money on nicotine products or coffee and I rarely eat out but wasting money on those things is acceptable, sometimes ya I drop 20-30 on silver for cool things I like. It is what it is

The whole thing with how every multiplayer game is now a live service game is why I have just stopped playing most multiplayer games. The only one I really play consistently is Deep Rock Galactic and while it has a battle pass there it truly does feel like an extra thing and not the main progression path because you can get so much stuff from just playing missions. I also don’t play Deep Rock to get stuff I just play it because it’s really fun for me to play. For the most part multiplayer games just aren’t fun anymore because they’re all battle passes and trying to get you to sink a bunch of time into them. I went from someone who spent 90% of their gaming time playing multiplayer games (mainly destiny) from 2014 - fall 2021 to spending 90% of my time playing single player games now because they don’t feel they want to suck up all my time to get my money. The single player games know they already have my money so they try to give me the best experience possible so I’ll give them money for their next game and as a result I find that now I can sink far more time into a short (meaning 10-20 hour main path) single player game than any multiplayer game

Surprised datto hasn’t watched the nier automata anime when he cosplayed as 2B.

No timestamps?

Natural Selection 2 is so freaking good !!!! I love that game !!!

Datto always makes my deaigner drip look clean

I feel like gamers and therapy ads go well together.

Crazy to say theres few releases of games coming out when theres more than ever wtf. I can clear my backlog fast enough and I dont even do YT as my job

Mr. Fruit!

It makes me sad for datto that he had to skip shadowbringers.

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

he made the mistake of treating it like WoW instead of knowing that it's really just a story game with extra side stuff

@inoob26

Жыл бұрын

@@xincnos9657 from what I can tell he didnt liked ARR and hated dialogues and cutscenes for whatever reason and decided to skip literally everything

How the fuck were there multiple sets of ads within 10 mins of each other?

I need a destiny 3 if they want to keep me playing

With the whole having a game hook you immediately, I’m the same way If it can’t hook me in the first few hours (less than 10) then I’m dropping it

Knowing the best hamburger I'm ever going to have is in the past, made me sad.

Real ones know this episode came out over a week ago

Every season I can only play destiny for 2 weeks, i hope bungo makes a fun activity at some point

@Reikuma-X

Жыл бұрын

If you’re really only able to Play 2 weeks every season, I don’t think that’s an issue with bungie or destiny. Seems more likely that destiny 2 just isn’t your game and that’s okay. Dont drain yourself forcing yourself to play a game you clearly don’t like

I laughed out loud when they said Bungie was one of the good ones. They have the most monetized game in history. Full game price DLC, cost for Seasons, Microtransactions and monetizing transmog. Pay for power if you pre order. All of this while removing content yearly and re-issuing content seasonally.

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

not literally the most monetized ever but yes it's absolutely terrible.

@MS-kt7dj

Жыл бұрын

@@xincnos9657 I mean I can't think of a more monetized game. What other game does more than that? Even mobile games are completely free to play where destiny is not

@neoconker2k8

Жыл бұрын

​@Jackie Mary Honesty those aren't as monetized as Destiny 2 , you CAN sp3nd more in those yes but you can access all content without paying for more than expansions. In Destiny 2 you have to pay for EVERY little pice of content EVEN when you buy expansions.

I gotta agree on Fortnite’s content pace being problematic for other games, It became a large problem for itself at one point too. I wanna say it was like the 4 season post pandemic they spread a few items across a couple big updates and all the map changes on day one of the new season. Fortunately, they were smart and had a few seasons where they went big and then slowed the pace back to that (because it’s less stressful on devs). But man that content pace with bi-weekly small map changes and large seasonal ones, it was definitely a problem

I’d play a halo wars style game but if it was destiny lore

I just think battle passes shouldn’t take long which is why I like D2 if you just do the seasonal challenges which would take you like playing 2-3 days per week to do you can get the pass done in like a month. Even with fortnite I don’t even focus on challenges I just play the game and I’m tier 50. Battle passes shouldn’t be some super hard tedious grind

extraction shooters will always be slow because half the point of extraction is to make a shooter with stakes. people slow down and take safer choices because they actually care if they die.

All I heard is that Datto wants to be a Leopard. :)

Mr. Fruit Hunt Showdown redux when

true, i think bungie shud learn from yoshi p (deev ff14) on how to make new content on new dlc ..i feel like d22 dlc is so expensive and the content that we got just 1 strike and few re skin weapon

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

it's true, they deliver far too little content and it ends up just being a grindfest and nothing actually engaging or new.

ARR is just rough as far as getting acclimatized to the game. It drags. As someone who's been playing since 2013, I can say that the only reason the game hooked me back then was that it was my first MMO and I was just so receptive to everything. Was interested in the world, was interested in the characters, the jobs, the story, etc... But having gone through ARR for a second time many years later, yeah... I can see why it would turn people off. All that said, my brain checks out whenever I'm listening to X or Y podcast in which XIV is brought up and people say they skipped the story. I feel like I've heard people's reasoning for doing so... so many times that I just kinda shrug. The story of the game is something I highly value in the game, it being one of the very few games in which I feel sorta lukewarm on the gameplay but will play it for the story.

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

yeah it's intensely cringe, just enjoy the story because that IS the game, it's not just a shit show like wow where all you do is raid or pvp for a big chance at almost nothing

Elden ring had no micro transactions or battle pass. Got game of the year. So some developers know what they're doing

Datto not knowing that most anime have a manga lol

Great podcast!! I'm a first time listener and was not disappointed. The only thing I would say is that blue talks over people a lot. No hate just something I noticed

@GGoverEZ_Podcast

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening! Hope you stick around and enjoy the other shows and appreciate your feedback

PLEASE I say again, PLEASE try Hunt Showdown!!! I think you three will have a blast. it’s one of the most unique gaming moments I have ever had.

I wasn't happy with the launch of the Eververse in Destiny 1. Didn't purchase anything the entire life of the game aside from the initial silver they gave us. I have used it in D2 a few times, but I usually just pick it up using brightdust. Every great once in a while I'll throw a few bucks their way.

Beeeeeespoke

Super cool to hear about the commissioner/commissionee relationship from the recipients point of view! For anyone interested I got to work with Rhabby when he did a cold call for art and from him i ended up doing work with a lot of the dream team boys. When i hear fruit is overwhelmed or needs help i offer it but try to never press the issue as to not annoy him lmfao 😂 being easy to work with and kind is big in the creation design space

Fun fact, someone is going to get your money

I wouldn’t hold my breath on VR as “the next big thing” because VR has been “the next big thing” since the 80’s. It’s continued to improve but has still continuously disappointed people and failed to see mass adoption. Until we hit science fiction levels of VR it won’t see mass adoption because that is the idea of VR that people have and what they want to see from it. Until then, it will always disappoint a large number of people and not see mass adoption

As a viewer from back when fortnite was popping off I never watched videos on it because it just wasn't interesting to me. Full game videos were just 90% watching people run to the circle and grab loot, 10% bloom infested gunplay. It wasn't something I watched, so I didn't watch Mr fruits BR videos. I never left comments about how I hated it because it was popular, I just didn't like the games. I love your content mr fruit and I know it didn't pull in views, ad revenue, or increase your growth back then, but I appreciate the content you made then. It was a funny and great time for the channel.

Stumbled across this, saw datto and mr fruit and decided to listen.... but 10 minutes of ads in the first 20 minutes? Nah.

How bout you new engine deeznutz!!!!!

As a guy pushing 50 who had an Atari 2600 at 5yrs old, hearing Datto say he’s seen everything at 33 and is an old man now is - cute. Just wait until you get to my age boys. I would kill to be 33 again. So much less daily pain. Enioy your age. Live in the moment. ❤

Mr. Fruit I'm surprised you don't play monster Hunter that's straight-up unga bunga with hammer

as a D2 / FFXIV dual gamer: You fucked yourself by skipping Datto. The only way that game hooks you upfront is the story strength. Sad, but its not for everyone. As for the "best hamburger ever"..... I thought the same until I played FFXIV until the end of Shadowbringers. I thought I saw all the best RPGs, best stories.... And FFXIV ShB topped them all. I witnessed the best RPG with best story ever after I was certain I was never gonna see anything better than Mass Effect 2 or Icewind Dale.

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

it's true, if you don't give the story a chance or enjoy it then theirs not much there and honestly if you go in with a pure gaming standpoint and 0 intent on consuming the story then you're just straight up doing it wrong

"Hey Datto, what rating would you give to the unanimously shittiest moneygrab expansion for the game that feeds you and you have to make positive content about?" - "Ah well, ehhh.. it's pretty good.. ehhh.. people are playing it you know? ehhh.."

So datto doesnt like warframe

Is Rhab going through puberty? lmao

I think the problem with me is every game just seems like a copy and paste. There is hardly anything different but just the same copy and paste method.

if destiny had raids every season, this game would have twice as many active players. to be told that people would complain about the absence of battlefields and other seasonal things, it disgusts me. only a casual gamer would prefer content like battlefields over a raid. a raid takes more money and time to make, not some stupid mode thrown around the planets.

My biggest grioe with Lightfall is Neomuna. It sux. Horrible destination.

Blue justifying the predatory monetization with his personal politics is kinda annoying ngl

I don't buy silver because I don't feel like my money is getting put back into making the game better. Destiny 2 is so lacking in content that getting more than a couple maps a year is too much. On the other hand, I spend money in Deep Rock Galactic because I feel like my money is helping.

My dudes..... i just checked those factor meals your are advertising...... for $91 a week for 6 meals??? Nah mate that aint the way. Cmon I knkw you guys need to make that bag but dang

31:10 No, the point in Destiny is to get the gear, and then take it into PvP. Division attempted to do that as well, but let's be honest, PvP modes in looter shooters are poor quality, and only Destiny has been able to crack that nut. It needs to be on par with Destiny, otherwise it will fail. The while LOVE service model will fail if PvP is not included, or is garbage. Watch Naughty Dog and see how they implement their next PvP game for TLOU fans. They MAY have figured it out...

@christophersmith8848

Жыл бұрын

For you, maybe, but the point for me is exactly as Datto describes. Raid for the best loot, which I get to raid with

Lightfall is so far one of the worst expansions I’ve ever played it has made the game almost unplayable where I used to play 6+hours a day most days and play damn near every day of the week i now play 1 day a week if I can even stand to do that because of how boring and stale this season has been.

Easily a 4/10 really disappointing

I'll never understand the appeal of BRs or extractions. So slow so boring

Look Fruit, I appreciate you, but I think the simple truth here is you and Datto and everyone else in this sphere are "getting old", just like me.

Destiny isn't growing because NOTHING CHANGES. We have literally been fighting the same enemies on the same planets for like a decade. And don't say oh but Neptune is new or whatever. Oh yeah they added a big empty city. And oh tormentors are new. Oh yeah big enemies you have to shoot the shoulders of then the belly. Oh wow sooooo new and innovative. But but but there is strand you know the new subclass that freezes enemies in place. You mean like stasis? No. It's totally different the enemies can hip fire and they hang in place forever. Got it.

@xincnos9657

Жыл бұрын

to add onto this, tormentors are basically non existent in a large amount of the gameplay, I saw em in story missions and that's basically it, same with lucent Hive, practically no presence anywhere

No. Not every game wants your attention forever. Good games want to be played to bring in money to create new games. Destiny wants you to play the same stupid game forever. Ok I'm done with this trash episode. Never listened to a podcast but saw it and gave it a try because I love fruit and I tolerate Datto. Blue sucks. This talk sucks. Ok bye.