Maul really was Obi wan’s nemesis. Two sides of the same coin. One gave into his pain and the other rose above it. Both lost their brothers in a way.

When you really think about it, both Maul and Kenobi are victims of Palpatine.

@aster4jaden

5 ай бұрын

Isn't everyone Palpatine's victims?

@neofulcrum5013

5 ай бұрын

Palps is pure evil incarnate.

@jakealter5504

5 ай бұрын

@@aster4jadenyes

@zexalbrony4799

5 ай бұрын

@@aster4jaden Facts.

@teleportedbreadfor3days

5 ай бұрын

Indeed. They both lost everything to him

The death of Maul in the end was more tragic than you'd have thought possible, because you can see the pain and regret in Obi-Wan's expression. For all the suffering Maul had caused him, in the end he was just another victim of the Sith, and perhaps the last person in the galaxy who truly understood everything Kenobi had been through. When Maul died in his arms, in a twisted way, he was losing the only friend he had left.

@jklolnikampoop

4 ай бұрын

Elegantly put, truly a powerful moment in the solitude of the desert to show how after all that has occurred so few who understand remain

To me, the most heartbreaking thing about Maul is him constantly trying to form connections with people, but since the only relationship dynamic he’s ever known is “master and apprentice”, he deprives himself of what he truly wants. Savage was happy to just follow his brother and support him, but Maul forcibly changed the dynamic. Despite this, he shows Savage far more care than anything Palpatine ever showed him. He cares about Savage, and you can tell that relationship meant a lot to him. When he meets Ezra, he sees a chance to regain that kind of relationship, but since he’s a massive ball of trauma he can’t do it without trying to kill the people Ezra cares about. Maul is his own worst enemy, and seeing him throw away every chance of happiness he ever had is what makes him a tragic character.

It's very rare for even the worst people to consider themselves to be the villain in their own story. They mostly manage to find some justification that excuses their actions to themselves.

They had done so much damage to each other, and I think both of them realized by the time they got to Tatooine in rebels that it was all for nothing

The scene surrounding Maul's death really was a well written moment, particularly the part about the Chosen One Prophecy, and the fall of Sidious; *"Is he the Chosen One"?* *"He is".* *"He... will... avenge us".*

That's one of my favorite lines in All of star wars Darth maul said it so good it never gets old

"Soon, the galaxy will be remade, and in the chaos, we must seize what power we can." -Maul to his Mandolorians

Maul could be an example of the all consuming need for the Sith to pursue revenge, especially when it came to the Rule of Two Sith for their singular desire to fulfill their revenge against the Jedi.

I always found the obi-wan / maul rivalry to be tragic ... In the end mauls most hated enemy was the only person who treated him as an equal , never lied to him , never betrayed him

Geez, i am not sure about it. Darth Sion had a pretty intense dynamic with Meetra Surik. He not only found her beautiful and hate her for that but was willing to kill her to spare her to be broken by Traya.

@dhaburuk6494

5 ай бұрын

Maul's case is not unusual, though pushed to an extreme. Its almost entirely in his head, and Kenobi wasn't a particularly special foe for him in TPM. Meetra's case was highly unusual, and that alone is what caused others to fixate on her. If you think about it, Meetra had all three of the Sith Lords aiming at her for the same reasons, so we could have gotten a love-square if the developers wanted to make it weird.

I never thought of the Shadow Collective as just a form of security, I mean sure it would provide him with support, but I always saw it more as Maul's attempt to regain power and build his own Empire, one that had the potential to rival the Republic and CIS, but of course, Sidious sensed Maul becoming a rival and put the kibosh on that in season 5 and that comic series. Lesson here, never try to become a rival to Sidious, it will not end well.

It's amazing to see how so much depth, hatred, and despair throughout the Star Wars Universe ultimately stems from Darth Sidious' machinations. Truly makes him one of the greatest villains of all time.

In the end I think Obi-Wan actually felt sorry for maul that he actually could have done more to save him even though maul straight up murdered the one person that Obi-Wan truly cared about in front of his own eyes deep down he did feel emotion grief anger and the fact of what he should have done differently from the start.. young Obi-Wan Kenobi believed that he was dead until he wasn't..

I'm unashamed to admit that Phantom Menace is my favorite star wars movie. Having grown up in the mid 90s and watching the Original trilogy 2 or three times before the proluege trilogy came out. Phantom Menace isn't necessarily the best when it comes to the writing but the world building it did and the cast of characters was undeniably awesome Of course Qui gon and Darth Maul as well as young Obi wan and Anakin. But also the jedi council The origins of C3po Watto Jar Jar 🧡 (loved him even when everyone hated him, even among my friends) I love Phantom Menace.

@isaackim7675

5 ай бұрын

Your not the only one. Seeing Maul’s double bladed lightsaber in theaters really got me

@vexaris1890

4 ай бұрын

Agree!

A love story (of sorts) greater than Romeo & Juliet lol Kidding aside it's one of the best story dynamics in Star Wars

Thanks for making awesome videos

@geetslys

5 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

One of the best things brought by TCW is Maul’s development. Hands down.

Maul and Kenobi were both raised by people that took them away as a child. Both were trained to be Warriors. Both wanted another life they never could have. (Obi wan with Satin)

You forgot to mention that maul also wanted revenge against sidious

@zexalbrony4799

5 ай бұрын

True. That's why he wanted to kill Anakin to deprive him of his perfect apprentice. He knew he wasn't strong enough on his own to kill Sidious, but, despite how strong Anakin is as Obi-Wan showed with the Duel on Mustafar he can be beaten if you're smart and you exploited his weakness, he had a chance at killing Anakin. Palpatine is a perfectionist and even if you can't beat him, robbing him of his perfect victory can be just as good if not better as it forces him to see he's not perfect and also taints his victory. Even though Maul himself didn't do it, Obi-Wan beating Anakin on Mustafar did rob him of his perfect victory, and in the end no one fully 100% won the Clone Wars, as even Palpatine suffered a loss the loss of his perfect apprentice that he spent so much time grooming for the role.

Darth Maul is one of the most tragic stories of all of Star Wars

In my opinion, "Old Wounds" should be canon in Legends, liberties to some events aside. Either way, am not guilty of the opinion that, many flaws aside, Rebels did marvellously in finally ending this feud once and for all... up until prequel/interquel nonsense like Solo showed up to somehow undo the catharsis of it.

@merafirewing6591

5 ай бұрын

It is a nice conclusion between the two old opponents.

Much fear Maul had. To anger this lead him. With anger came suffering. Suffered Maul had, now at peace he is.

I find Maul more tragic than Anakin because of one thing. Vader got to be redeemed in the eyes of his son. He killed the man who manipulated him. Maul did not have any of that, he lost his family and died in the arms of his hated enemy who tbh he was just hanging onto his hate for cause he didn’t have anything else at that point.

@jakealter5504

5 ай бұрын

He did get some closure when he died, he died knowing that Luke would avenge all of palpatine’s victims (maul included)

@rubensfilho9774

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you

7:35- And that is what Palps was talking about right there! He wanted to turn Maul back into his puppet so he could tell the Mandalorian army what to do through their leader!

Can we acknowledge that Obi-Wan literally pissed off everyone on the dark side for lols

@ThinWhiteAxe

5 ай бұрын

he's just a chad like that

We all know the answer to the questions you asked at the end of the video Darth Maul was just a simple man trying to make his way in the galaxy

My favorite character

This is my favorite one sided grudge

What a journey they had

Interesting thing I noticed is that Maul met his end on the same planet that he first revealed himself to the Jedi.

When all is said & done, we are all just men & women trying to make our way in the universe, and a lot more was said than done.

The definition of anger as an emotion is the urge to right a wrong. The only true way to process anger is vengeance. That being said, as elevated beings we’re supposed to release our right to vengeance to higher authorities. One of the problems, modern man faces is the processing of anger in a healthy way, given the fact that vengeance and the ability to right a wrong have been taken out of our hands. Fear on the other hand is motivation to fight or flight. It can be used to will yourself forward into a battle to fight during a quest for vengeance, but it is not a motivator for revenge.

Love your videos they're always interesting ❤

My favorite characters

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Kenobi's character won over his need for revendge making him better then Maul both in character and in power at the end.

Maul was definitely an antagonist, but the true villain was Sidious.

Kenobi !

If sidious hadn't tried to train Maul. He probably would have been just another serial.

Does anybody know how much Force Powers Maul lost by being cut in half or does everyone overlook that?

> Obi Wan never viewed Maul as his nemesis Yet another classy act of excellent trolling from the master of it

Maul’s one hell of a Yandere, huh.

Maul forever. ^^

Great video!

I like what the eventually did with maul, but he was also the original "somehow survives a (devastating) lightsaber wound" trope. Yeah, they made a lot more out of the character, but him somehow living is jarring to me. I would have much rather him kill qui gon, and then get trounced by a darkside infused kenobi. Seeing that he wasnt going to win the fight, he decides to bug out and reevaluate his options. Later palps could have disowned and tried to kill him for his failure, but he squeaks out, and sets out to find his own path. Problem solved. Plus he would carry the knowledge of his failures, and it could color everything after that.

Does anyone know what the name of song that plays at the end of the video is? I really want to know; it's amazing.

@ThinWhiteAxe

5 ай бұрын

yeah

If you really think of it. Maul didn't really have a chance early in life. And all thanks to Darth Sidious.

6:00- Um…….. I was with you all the way up until now!?! I don’t know where you got the information of Palps was already grooming the Count for Mauls position, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever heard that?!? Out of countless hours worth of lore I’ve watched and listened to! And also all the books, movies and shows I’ve watched or read countless times that are Canon!?! After Maul “died” Palps knew how strong Anakin was but he couldn’t just wait for his so called new appearance to be old enough to help him! And that’s where the Count came in! He was only a filler to help and be the face of the Sith until Anakin was ready! And all of that happened only because Maul “died”! (I can’t think of the name of the book off the top of my head right now but) One of the books talking about this stated that Palps never saw the Count as anything more than a filler. Obviously when you’re lying to someone and you want them to do what you want the last thing you’re going to do is tell them the truth!!! So the Count though he was going to be the heir to the Sith Lord and he lied to his apprentice the same way by telling her that when she was ready she would help him take down the true Sith Lord!

I don't think Maul being the victim of Sidiouses horrific treatment washed his own hands as Maul both never tried to stop, and never showed any remorse for the pain he left in his wake. It's not always as cut and dry as victim - perpetrator, as Maul went ahead and became the perpetrator of many an atrocity. So is he still a victim of Sidious? Absolutely! But no matter how deep Sidious got in his head, Maul was still the one that chose to never stop. He chose to keep sowing death and dread. He chose to continue on that path, rather than identifying he had a choice and could have stepped off it. Though, to note, The dark side of the Force does complicate things due to its very seductive and addictive nature. Still, as shown by those who have redeemed themselves (Force wise), it's not impossible to reject. Maul never even tried, and I think his last moments with Obi-Wan highlight this. At that moment, where Obi-Wan is just sitting by a campfire no weapons drawn immediately upon spotting him, had Maul just, I dunno, humbled himself and asked for help - what are the odds of old Obi-Wan just turning him away?

@samc9133

5 ай бұрын

In Maul's defense, he was raised as an assassin from infancy. So I don't think he ever got a moral compass to fall back on. There was no "good" for him to return to and generally if your developmental years are like that, it's nearly impossible to learn another way of thinking. I don't see why Palpatine would teach him right from wrong. Sure, people do the wrong thing and come back from it all the time, but the vast majority of people are taught basic morality from a very young age, and I strongly doubt Maul received that.

@videocrowsnest5251

5 ай бұрын

@@samc9133 True, upbringing is very important. It still does not really override the fact Maul had the ability to choose his own actions and responses. At the end, where he walks into Obi-Wan's calm campsite to pick a fight, it should have been very apparent to Maul that continuing the same song and dance will not result in anything else but the same output. That is to say, self-destruction. I'm no assassin, but perhaps even an assassin's logic could go so far as to understand that in the interest of self-preservation, halting or refraining from certain actions at certain times can have beneficial outcomes to one's self and overall goals. Even if Maul had no idea what words to use, what to even ask for, he could have just communicated as much by simply not becoming hostile. Express in some manner or another that he has no idea what he is doing, but he needs something to stop the cycle of hurt. Rather than choosing to tread old paths and think it would result in any different of an outcome than death and despair.

@samc9133

5 ай бұрын

@@videocrowsnest5251 Oh, I definitely feel that he knew he was self destructing in attacking Obi-Wan again. Star Wars is often a story of redemption - but Maul, to me, stands as an example of the fact that essentially innocent people can be made effectively irredeemable. Maul was taught from a young age that pain was the only way forward. I legitimately don't think he had any way out. I dunno if you've ever read Heinlein's argument about the phrase "juvenile delinquent" in Starship Troopers but it's very compelling! If you wanna read it Google "Heinlein juvenile delinquent excerpt reddit" and the thread titled "please comment on this Heinlein excerpt" - ultimately, I find Palpatine mostly liable for Maul's actions. Not to the extent where Maul should not be punished. But enough. Regardless, appreciate your sharing your viewpoint!

Great fuckin video!

Just because you are a victim does not mean that you can not also be a villain or even a hero it all depends on perspective. As far as I’m concerned he is a villain

Such an irony, Maul killed Duchess Satine is what ultimately led to the Imperial occupation of Mandalore in the first place. Had Duchess Satine survived, the Mandalorian Space will become refuge to many former Separatists and those who hated the Empire. And when facing no other choice, Duchess Satine and Palpatine needed to go to war against one another. But sadly, Maul ended such a scenario before it could even begin.

@jadebrownbull4903

5 ай бұрын

Regardless if Duchess Satine survived or not. It doesn't change the fact that the empire would rain mandalore with bombs anyway as they would view the mandalorians a threat like the jedi. There's a reason why they bug poisoned planet of Geonisis.

@lerneanlion

5 ай бұрын

@@jadebrownbull4903 Didn't the Empire poison Geonosis because they do not wanted the leak about Project: Star Dust to happen?

Poor assassin, yet merc'd a yuuzhan vong in 1v1 combat with no force powers involved...

6:26- See I think you are right about this part. I’m just very confused about something……. So obviously Maul wanted to take down Palps…. And even more so after he killed his brother! So why at any point he came back from the dead why didn’t he just tell the Jedi order who the Sith Lord was?!? I don’t mean in person because that would go bad in many ways for him! But there was many ways he could have done it!?! And if it happened before all the deregulations started going through Palps could have lost that position he was hoping to have when he called in Order 66! He still would. But it wouldn’t work nearly as good (if you can call it good nowadays anyways! Lmao seriously, there are over 150 survivor that we know of so far)!!!

I agree with your conclusion about what you think of Maul! But all this extra stuff you are coming up with……. I don’t know man!?! Is it from Legends? I know very little bit about Legends lore, mainly because I like to focus on Canon! I don’t like “everything” in Canon nowadays…… but since that is the version we got the most from (besides the 3 new books that just came out and the 2 more coming soon) then I’m just going to stick with that so I don’t also get confused which goes where!

He murdered children hes a villain alright. Being a victim doesn’t mean its fine to do evil stuff

RIP to the comment of the week.

🤔 . . . I need to ask: what is the difference between justice & revenge?

Maul was definitely a villain because his main goals, no matter the reason, were only to gain power and cause pain. He was still a victim of Sidious like most of the galaxy was to some extent, with him being responsible for Maul's loss of half his body and and severe mental scarring, but he was also a very bad man. He had the option of not attracting anyone's attention and instead quietly building up layers of safety like some actual trauma victims sometimes have. He chose the path of trying to cause pain and suffering to other people, and succeeded a lot in it, along with causing the deaths of many people, some of which didn't deserve it. That makes him a villain, even if his reasoning is not as evil as one like Sidious who actively enjoys torturing people, sick freak that he is.

Revenge & Justice are one. They can achieve the same results, and are born from the same emotions. The only difference is how involved one is.

I get it. But Maul has fought Kenobi so many times. He knows his forms and stances. Would he really fall for the bait of Kenobi using a rookie stance? Maul deserved more credit to his combat prowess.

6:44- Lol what? Where are you getting this? He kept him alive for one because he enjoys the suffering of others and causing the suffering of others. Therefore he tortured him but also because he now had control of the Mandalorian and therefore he wanted that control! But unfortunately for him he wasn’t able to break Maul before he got away!!! If he “knew he would cause more trouble for the Jedi then he would against himself” then why or earth would he kill Mauls brother (which would have been double the trouble for the Jedi and why would he also take him somewhere where Maul couldn’t do anything to the Jedi and then torture him, until he finally escaped?!? I’m sorry but that makes as much sense as buying a Ferrari because you are moving and you need more trunk space to move your stuff then a regular car!?!

I don't like Maul's story, for the most part. What they did to him, it's alright but not consistent. I think the Maul who showed on phantom menace was so full of anger, and the one on clone wars onwards was so.. afraid. A little man, a shadow of himself. It's tragic, but also downplays him a lot. As an assassin, he was pretty skilled as warrior and that checks out. The problem I believe, is his philosophy. As someone who craves power, it makes sense he wants to get it all back. Fear is relatable, but not admirable. For someone who lived as a shadow a good chunk of his life, he acts quite bold on the Mandalorian conflicts. Almost theatrical. Ignores the power of stealth despite his sith background. In truth, I liked Ventress's story more. Light and dark is fine on a philosophical or even galactic lvl, but what does it mean for the little people? I think that's what Maul's story was missing. He was just a villain meant to fail and make you feel bad about it.

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