I worked at Facebook for almost 3 years and recently quit in September 2020. What Bret & Tristan are saying is incredibly true and important.

@zwatwashdc

3 жыл бұрын

My Facebook has always been so boring. Over a hundred friends have friended me, and there is literally never any even slightly interesting on it. I only open it once a month or 6 weeks. Is Facebook testing an alternative super boring algorithm on me?

@pandemichackingchannel9791

3 жыл бұрын

@@zwatwashdc Or your friends are boring, or your friends are smart like you and they don't really put any real content up. Probably a mix. ;)

@pandemichackingchannel9791

3 жыл бұрын

@@fayemarshall2254 It strikes me as a bit harsh for blaming someone in this way for having been part of the majority. Welcome to the minority Cody! Thanks for sharing your experience.

@MishMacky

3 жыл бұрын

@@fayemarshall2254 what? Judging people before you know the whole story is quite awful. Some people are trapped in a matrix.

@andrewshortt4338

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it’s all true...

The Social Dilemma got me off of Facebook 4 months ago after 12 years of daily use. Thank you!

@lenorepaletta9267

3 жыл бұрын

How was that? It’s the only way I can see my birth family. They live in another country.

@snowps1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lenorepaletta9267 You can disable your account and only log in once in a while if you'd prefer not to delete it. I do miss seeing updates on my friends and family, but knowing how addictive and manipulative it is helps me to stay off.

@kr50401

3 жыл бұрын

@@snowps1 You don’t need to ever log on to Facebook for updates. Facebook is only for your acquaintances. Your real friends are already in your phone contact book.

@Questioner365

Жыл бұрын

Excommunication for heresy got me off Facebook. DO question them all.

Brett absolutely nailed the last third of this interview. Tristan started to suggest that more censorship was the answer to tech platforms' new found societal control. He even seemed to say that Apple censoring parlor was the logical decision. Brett did a great job explaining that bad ideas need to be countered with good ideas on the level of rationality. More censorship never works and is counterproductive.

@KibberShuriq

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but you have to understand that the reason Brett brought Tristan in is because he has a point. Both far left and far right memes are extremely contagious when spread on platforms that put user engagement above everything else and that's dangerous regardless of which side of the debate you're on, and that's a problem that needs to be solved ASAP or there will be a civil war and in current global environment that might end our civilization altogether. If you have solutions to that other than censorship, please chime in. Brett of all people for sure knows that censorship is bad, yet here we are.

@MDCDiGiPiCs

3 жыл бұрын

@@KibberShuriq absolutely on point. Small thinkers can't get their heads around how toxic social media is and the threat it poses.

@theheeze

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDCDiGiPiCs It's so clearly dangerous because humans have always relied on consensus to build their reality. If someone tells you "There's a pink elephant in the corner" but no one else agrees - that person is crazy. That's not a political statement. That's how human beings work. Social media lets malicious actors interject themselves into any conversation and say "No wait I actually see that elephant too and here's some unverified quotes that talk about elephants being in corners in ancient times". Now this made up elephant represents a legitimate view point and we're supposed to let these elephant believers continue to share their oppinions.

@MDCDiGiPiCs

3 жыл бұрын

@@theheeze I don't disagree with anything that you say here. My point is that the vast majority of people are ill equipped when it comes to critical thinking and the social media algorithm fully exploits this. The blame must fall squarely on the shoulders of the social media companies as they have purposely developed the exploits and made them available to anyone prepared to pay, be they legitimate or as you pointed out bad actors. It's a well established fact that China and Russia have advanced and elaborate cyber warfare operations that are utilising these exploits to seed division and polarisation, they are obviously successful in the US, refusing to acknowledge that is to be in a state of denial and not being prepared or equipped to resist and defeat what is essentially an act of war against not only the US but Western civilization as a whole.

@theheeze

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDCDiGiPiCs I see. In that case you're right and it's very unfortunate that the complexity of the issue makes it almost impossible that we'll see this problem solved by the "free market". The algorithms are all too addictive and effective to ever be abandoned. It's also unfortunate that now any attempt to fix the situation (like verified online IDs) will fit perfectly into the conspiracy Du'Jour as a move by the "deep state".

Bret has such an amazing Wise Dad energy ! I so much wish i would have had a mentor/teacher or a friend like him in my life.

@BogdanCostea85

3 жыл бұрын

Same here!🥲

@loveiverwashereasherself4803

3 жыл бұрын

Right Maybe we all do

@loveiverwashereasherself4803

3 жыл бұрын

Bret will I ever meet you by chance? 🧿I know someone did something I’m confused but not mad And if I’m wrong Please don’t judge me D&DJ (weird right) TH 🗝

@Terry-404

3 жыл бұрын

This. What's lost in all the negative coverage of technology is the fact that the internet has brought these amazing people into our lives.

@brutexrp7207

3 жыл бұрын

We have one now.

Dialogue like this is sorely needed on all platforms. Keep on the track

@WaxCostanza

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqeWqcWIdpSnl7A.html&ab_channel=WaxCostanza Zev - Eric - Bret

@adamfelt9090

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if they put gorilla glue in their hair like an idiot THEN play the victim card... it would have more reach.

@simkintube

3 жыл бұрын

sadly I already know people who label anyone engaged on long format conversations as "alt-right" whatever that means. I have also been reading prople saying "we need a plan for clubhouse" they are coming for this format and they have all the support of traditional media for obvious reasons.

@weblightstudio8215

3 жыл бұрын

almost nobody I know could find this on the internet let alone follow it. It is amazing percentage of the population that waddles along on 80 intelligence quotient points and is confused if you remove the media mantra they share over the work bubbler

@markgarcia6887

3 жыл бұрын

I KNOW WHERE TO START!!! If Twitter, KZread and etc are putting disclaimers about Covid, voter fraud, vaccines, etc below videos and posts then that means they are " "concerned" about manipulation". Then by their own admission if they really are " "concerned" about truth and manipulation", then BY LAW, a bold large disclaimer should appear stating "YOU ARE BEING UNDERMINED AND MANIPULATED FOR OUR FINANCIAL GAIN - WE ARE USING YOUR DATA AGAINST YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR VULNERABILITIES TO PROFIT FROM YOUR WEAKNESSES" (or something like this)... ...this may not be much, but it's the truth and a start. (This will also shine a light about their "concern" and hypocrisy for truth and manipulation!)

I got off Facebook about 4 years ago and never got on Twitter. I avoid Google (OK, videos like this excepted) and Amazon as much as possible. How about we start taking power away from social media companies by just not participating?

@tteot1wph

3 жыл бұрын

I’m doing the same. I use DuckDuckGo and am looking for the best alternative to gmail and KZread.

@tteot1wph

3 жыл бұрын

@TOC social media is addictive, but not nearly as addictive as heroin. It’s pretty easy to uninstall those apps

@tteot1wph

3 жыл бұрын

@TOC “just say no” was put in place because once you use drugs it’s very hard to quit. You can try FB, IG, etc. out for a week and then quit easily. It’s not the same.

@Captain_MonsterFart

3 жыл бұрын

Because most people are "sheeple" and don't think about this. They just go along with it all. As a resister, you become the weirdo, though they will say "oh good for you!". Trust me, I know. I still don't have a smart phone and I get a lot of flack for it.

@ickerolig

3 жыл бұрын

@@Captain_MonsterFart Can't even function in society in Sweden without a smart phone. There are apps tied to everything the government does now, your smart phone pretty much is your digital finger print. And there are stores and stuff that only accepts payment from these type of apps to save, by avoiding money handling from cash registers and card purchases. My sister is like you, no smart phone. But now she has to get one because the work requires employees to use some type of app to communicate and see what's on the agenda. Not to mention she couldn't even order a covid-test without using one of these digital id apps.

In a society with all the important powerful institutions run by narcissists and sociopaths, what could go wrong...

@jdevil8877

3 жыл бұрын

That line is basically how I've remained so cynical. It can end many a flight of hopium

@needparalegal

3 жыл бұрын

French communists had this plan 80 years ago. They laid it all out and have barely had to modify it. Start with the universities then use those graduates to corrupt elementary education and corporations and government. When class based communism failed in europe they had the idea to use race based communism.

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

It's even worse than that. Narcissistic or sociopathic are still human pathologies. There's a human involved in the decisions, even if you can't get on their level and they can't and won't step into your shoes. This show is run by disembodied corporate interest, with a force multiplier of enormous and globally connected, constantly evolving algorithmic platform. In early 20th century Germany that kind of thing was perpetuated by splitting the deplorable tasks into a lot of small menial tasks. One to round them up, one to load them on, one to transport them, one to jail them. One to burn them. Now we have technology to automate the most deplorable aspects. And the perfection of this technology is split and divided across individuals, across time and organizations. It is completely invisible for the humans involved. But the effects will wake some of us up. Hopefully before we all be put to sleep.

@rickfucci4512

2 жыл бұрын

@@yCherkashin you make a very important point about the compartmentalisation. Without the Al Gore Rythm and the drugs, this sociopathic dystopia would collapse much sooner.

@Questioner365

Жыл бұрын

@@needparalegal Yes. Conmunism will "work" if we use enough force. Slavery in the name of equality is top-down, not bottom-up. Never has been nor never will be grass roots, but illusions from the top help it to be? Always funded and planned from the top. Who is at that top?

In the magic analogy most users don't realize they're watching a magic show they think they're watching the news and are unlikely to even question the integrity of how it is curated.

@cameronlockard5935

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. This really gets at the foundation of the issue: individual agency. Way too many people don't even bother to apply any filter of skepticism when watching the news. Consequently, they lack the cognitive toolbox to distinguish between the news and a magic show.

@TRayTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@cameronlockard5935 and it's long been the case that journalists don't just report the facts, they have to tell a story if they want to sell a paper, or news program. And it wouldn't make sense to not remain consistent about who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. If partisan reporting is more profitable then that's what they'll give us.

@miketomlin6040

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRayTV It's not easy to get the facts, especially when you are required to report on a story within a few hours, even minutes. Many news stories take years to unpack accurately.

@TRayTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@miketomlin6040 I get that. I know anytime I try to say something that is true I'm plagued by caveats, messy details, etc. Even with a dogged determination to be only truthful it's difficult, arguably impossible. But my objection is not over our inability to meet high standards of accuracy. My objection is that the entities we rely on to inform our decision-making processes and our democracy prioritize profit (usually via sensationalism) and biased narrative over accuracy and uncolored facts. I know it's not easy but they're not even trying. The incentives are in the wrong place. Or at least the incentives that motivate their behavior. And that's the legitimate news. The information stream via Facebook (the magic show in the analogy) is entirely motivated by engagement and attention. Facebook makes no pretense of credibly informing the electorate. But users see the information in dark poorly equipped to defend themselves from their own biases.

@miketomlin6040

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRayTV Yes, little has changed. 19th century Journalism was even worse, or more sensationalist, prejudiced. Nowadays thanks to technology we can get more direct evidence, but even then many issues are so complex clarity is tricky. The quality press do their best. I've been involved with folks who spend 6 months on a subject, whereas it might take 6 years to get the facts right. It's a question of time as much as intention. People often assume Journalists are dishonest as opposed to just human. Send 10 to a soccer match, read 10 reports, are they the same, no. Sometimes very different analyses of the game, or same data.

Okay, this is my most favorite conversation I’ve heard in the last year, period. Just the perfect mix of everything.

@coolmoedee33

3 жыл бұрын

You hear Jim Keller vs Lex Fridman II?

"The problem is that technology has become this sort of 24/7 hyper-asymetric magic trick, but we don't perceive it that way because we're enjoying so many things from it." -Tristan Harris

i love how we sit through this entire thing (which was excellent) and then at the end... "where can we find you at" always followed by..."find me on twitter, facebook, instagram, apple podcast"...

@lauragigi3961

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment!

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

That's right. Use the atom for good. Use selective attention and dopamine reinforced learning. But direct it to your own goals. Use abstinence periodically, regularly - to find out who you are without your addictions, and formulate your own vision for your life. This is without irony. Powerful tech is power. But it should at your service.

Holy shit, this is a good conversation. We need more people talking about this stuff.

@bimmjim

3 жыл бұрын

Just don't put them in charge of anything. Academia has gone off the rails.

When your recommended feed is filled with these types of conversations, you're probably on the right track.

Is it just me, or is the thought of an actual, collective unplugging about the most relieving feeling in the world?

@Captain_MonsterFart

3 жыл бұрын

I'm with you!

@kbeetles

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! What a liberating thought!!

@teresa8917tyc

3 жыл бұрын

I deleted my Facebook October 2020. I am glad I did!

@EverythingMustG0

3 жыл бұрын

I have fantasies of a solar flare frying the technology and sending us back to the 19th century

@nourishflourishflow

3 жыл бұрын

@@EverythingMustG0 Honestly, me too!!!!

Yes!! Just the conversation I've been hoping for

I'm no longer on IG or FB and it's been one of the best choices I've made. The value in no longer being on those platforms cannot be overstated, and one will not realize the full value of not being on there until one is no longer on there.

@WackyConundrum

3 жыл бұрын

And now you're on KZread :)

@JamesScottGuitar

3 жыл бұрын

@@WackyConundrum I've been on YT for years. It's for my guitar instruction...and, for me personally, it's how I best learn about the topics I'm interested in, since I'm a visual learner.

@WackyConundrum

3 жыл бұрын

@@JamesScottGuitar All good, mate. It was just a tongue-in-cheek comment ;)

I enjoyed this conversation, but I don't want either of you responsible for free speech.

Loved this convo. Mostly commenting for algorithmic engagement reasons.

@sketcharmslong6289

3 жыл бұрын

Ironic haha

@arthurgale1612

3 жыл бұрын

good idea lol

@rufussweeneymd

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll do the same.

@dannysullivan12345

3 жыл бұрын

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@chemicalimbalance7030

3 жыл бұрын

Commenting for algorithmic reasons

Man, I have been waiting for this!

When discussing the movie The Day After,” Tristan mentions a panel discussion with Kissinger and William F Buckley - as if they were there to make things more clear to the American public. Dude, these are two of the magicians!!!! You won’t be in a position to help save us from the situation if you’re unaware of the performers.

@needparalegal

3 жыл бұрын

He is part of the delusion, so he is not going to point out the magicians.

@DAWIsBack

3 жыл бұрын

I think he's coming to terms with it just like the rest of us. This is his attempt to awaken

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

Don't judge him, but it is OK to notice how he hasn't got very far away from it all. After all you can find him on Twitter, Facebook and KZread; using them for good and so it should be. But it's hard to get away while staying inside.

What the world needs is more top-down social engineering. Yeah, right....

@bimmjim

3 жыл бұрын

I Agree. Or you could say, "If it ain't broke don't fix it."

@Questioner365

Жыл бұрын

"Grass roots" is the illusion created top down. If not, they do their damnedest to hijack it.

This conversation is one of the best I have heard on the topic and has left me hopeful that these two, together with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jamie Wheal, Jordan Hall, Zach Stein, Nora Bateson, John Vervaeke, Douglas Rushkoff, Zak Bush, the Rebel Wisdom and the Stoa communities and some others could help us figure out a way out of this total mess we find ourselves in... It will take more than a small group to find the way, and I think unplugging some of the technology for a while (to stop the speed at which we are digging the hole) would be essential!

Great conversation! Love your channel and the topic couldn't be more timely. Keep up the great work!

Thank you, this discussion is super interesting, appreciate these issues getting aired.

Thanks for the great content Brett!

Another beautiful and important conversation. Thanks again for everything, Bret, and I am enjoying learning more about your work, Tristan!

"In our attention economy, to tech companies humans are worth more as dead slabs of predictable human behavior than as living, breathing, meaning-making, semi-free-willed humans." Dystopian enough, for ya?

@PicturesJester

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't true

@AaronJukes

3 жыл бұрын

@@PicturesJester I am interested in you articulating why you think it is not so?

@LKRaider

3 жыл бұрын

Tech companies box people into a few measurable dimensions. You are not allowed to semi-unlike a post or comment, or be kinda friends but not really with a contact, or just behave differently to different people. You have to appease the algorithm pre-conceived parameters to gain the internet points, instead of the algorithms adapting to you as a person being free to be yourself.

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

​@@rrtroutslayer To be sure, what you say is a restatement of the Iron Law of Oligarchy. But the shackles of Oligarchs past were not so finely tailored to the contours of the human mind as are those of the present Lords of Social Media. This is, at the least, a difference in degree; it may be more, a difference in kind. As a philosopher recently put it: Advertisers once treated humans like animals. Now they treat humans like robots, that is, like entities to whose software they have ready access, both to surveil and to manipulate. In short, we face, in posse, the prospect of a regime of human slavery the most subtle, sophisticated, finely-tuned, and inescapable that the world has ever beheld. Are the present ruling class remotely worthy to take the reins of this phantasmal hydra of infinite heads? Is not the measure of their power the inverse of the power of their vision? Yet, they now possess the readiest capacity to suppress alternative perspectives or any hint of dissent that any rulers have ever wielded. They are building a terrible house of infinite mirrors, infinite records, infinite pokers and prodders, and no exits. It is a madhouse--and they're in it with us.

@user-lm4yp4cq4t

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of words used for the fact majotity have become socially constructed meat puppets!

This ties in so directly to Jon Haidt's reasearch, Zach Goldman's, the demographics most adversely affected by social media and helecopter parenting, the demographics engaging in the protests this past summer and the demographic who engages most in cancel culture and wokeism on campuses and workplaces... ALLL these studies point to the exact SAME THING. It's so crazy how the picture is becoming so clear.

that anology with a shrink selling your data assisted by a supercomputer is gold!

Most intellectually stimulating time I’ve had all week, thank you!!

What a great conversation! Thank you! 👍🏼🤓

My Facebook always seemed to field test really boring and pointless content on me😂. I would cancel my FB, but I can’t be bothered to open it.

@juliedriscoll8551

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! This is exactly me! Haven’t been on FB in over 3 years. I was recently “purged” from Twitter for a reason they will not apprise me of and I’m so much happier. I’m reading more, catching more movies and enjoying more great convos like this one. 🤗😁

OMG I was hoping for this conversation

More & more, this kind of qualitative, insightful, sagacious interaction & introspection speaks to where the medium needs to go. The "soma" which "big tech" is, feeding us, "Infinite learned helplessness," is an intolerable endgame. Thank you both, hugely uplifting, erudite and insightful.

Thank you for this

This is such an incredible conversation!

Apple...the company using slave labour to make their overpriced crap are going to be moral arbiters 🤣🤣🤣

@katepaine2200

3 жыл бұрын

Apple buys product (like you might from Amazon). Is it part of the contract to know the protocol for making product?

@tryordiegarage

3 жыл бұрын

@@katepaine2200 in Europe absolutely our major retailers have been driven to insist on minimum wages and certain working conditions and benefits. Frankly...from the outside...the American left love to virtue signal and attack so called far right yet happily collude with large corps to support slavery. If the left had any principles at all Apple Nike etc would be bankrupt...

@tryordiegarage

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kykyr69 if you believe any corporate social justice bollocks you are incredibly naive. A corporation by nature pursues profit and any statements or action they take will be in pursuit of that end.

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

@@katepaine2200 That's what the Germans did back in the 193x-ies. One man to round them up. One man to load them up. One man to transport them. And so on…

My boi’s face at 24:10 when Bret gives him the “good job, kiddo” is everything. Seriously though. I come here for some clarity. Some friggin SENSE MAKING. Good job, kiddo.

Thank you bunches for this wonderful discussion. Blessings upon you Tristan. Kudos Brett ✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨

There is so much info in this that there is no way I can process it, despite them both being clear and concise.

Great job you two!!

Fantastic stuff gentlemen-pleasure to listen to.

Great guests, love this convo. We no longer live in a shared reality.

Amazing conversation.

I loved this conversation so much! This was enlightening =)

Don't forget that Mr. Rogers was also part of that panel discussion after "The Day After." I was at NYU living in the dorm on E10th St at the time. I had apocalypse dreams often during that time period and didn't care about my studies much (not sure if I can blame "The Day After," but why not!)

More of this please 🙌👏

Loved this, thank you 🙏

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the COURAGE to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

@rollinmark8952

3 жыл бұрын

Keep coming!

The point is that from a session like this will lead to the trust that is necessary to move forward.

Good convo. This is one of the big issues of our time

Another great conversation.👏🏿

Where can I get or purchase a copy of that software he mentions at 22:15?? The world needs this!

1:07:37 I do all of this but I never ask myself that last question, "who would I be without this thought"

Yayyy can’t wait to watch

Thank you to this conversation! I was playing with the idea of quitting SM and this conversation helped me over the peak. Truly THANK YOU! I've followed the tips on your website Tristan again thx for all the great advice this has truly been the catalyst which finally pushed me into a more happy direction. I dont know whether you will ever read this but anyhow, thank you again i cant stretch this enough being addicted severely depressed over long stretches of my live this seems like there is light at the end of the tunnel. -someone who thinks he finally dared enough to finally enjoy live again

@pandemichackingchannel9791

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Good luck and enjoy!

This is brilliant! If only more people would see and understand this we could shift the tide.

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

I perceive it is too late for that. It is time to let it eat itself. But you could still save yourself by unplugging and choosing a different life. Not so for your friends and family, that train has sailed back in 2016 or so. Wait, trains don't do oceans, do they? Whoops.

Excellent podcast. Thank you.

Bret, thank you so much for this stimulating conversation. I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air your podcasts are on this mess we call the internet.

This is amazing. 2 people at the highest level making best points possible.

Kudos to Bret for having two titans on recently, Schmachtenberger, and Tristan. (And he should have Jaron Lanier on as well, as many of these ideas date back to him.) These guys have the handle on how all of this shit is working.

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and Shoshanna Zuboff. Also: he could try someone on the Right someday, if he dares. Steve Sailer would work.

@andybaldman

3 жыл бұрын

@@kreek22 He's had right-wing folks on before (Dan Crenshaw and others). But are you referring to specific folks for this particular topic?

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

@@andybaldman I would call Crenshaw a conservative, but conservative no longer means right-wing in America--there's too little left to conserve other than Leftism. On this topic, there are few if any conservative experts, since not even conservatives--much less right-wingers--have any access to the belly of the social media beast. But, I know of another expert in this general field (Leftist of course): RS Bakker. His perspective on this issue is informed primarily by his philosophical background, with added input from neuroscience. I believe he is presently writing a book, but he has written a great many relevant essays already over at the threepoundbrain blog.

@andybaldman

3 жыл бұрын

@@kreek22 Honestly, I don't even know what Right and Left mean anymore, as the terms have been weaponized, memeified, and people now use words as their identity. I'm just interested in truth, derived from critical thought and reasoning, which actually helps explain how the world works in a way that produces actual results. It's more of an engineering approach.

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

@@andybaldman I've come to believe that critical thinking is only genuinely critical insofar as it is tethered tightly to reality: hard science or engineering. For the rest, I'm reminded of some of Bakker's definitions: "Critical thinking: the intellectual version of Christian humility. The ability to simultaneously believe you are open-minded and pretty much right about everything you already believe." And: "Critical Thinking: 1) the transformation of intellectual sophistication into absolute moral superiority; 2) a way to make verbal radicals out of functional conservatives."

So Tristan keeps referencing QAnon and PizzaGate. I would love to hear him reference Russia-gate the same way.

@rfphill

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... Its funny to watch the tap dance. He definitely still virtue signals just enough to avoid the woke inquisitors...

@cindyb8504

3 жыл бұрын

Right. No one, but no one thinks about or remembers Pizzagate. We've been pummeled with non evidenced Russian Collusion to the point of nausea. And what is QAnon anyway.

@PhilosoFeed

3 жыл бұрын

I'm confused what you mean by this. The $3000 some Russian firm spent on a few Facebook ads, or the vast conspiracy theory that Russia got Trump elected? Genuinely curious so I can decide what I think of your comment.

@garyvlahos635

3 жыл бұрын

The Tristan fellow appears to be missing the prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain which deals with " critical thinking. " This guy is for total censorship and effectively wants to ban every outlet or voice that doesn’t conform to the "mainstream" narrative .

@miketomlin6040

3 жыл бұрын

@@cindyb8504 There was collusion, see the Mueller report.

Wow that last speech about the serenity prayer/attention was wonderful, and Bret's response was awesome.

Thanks for sharing another important conversation Bret.

The Master Switch is a book that needs to have an update written in concert with these guys.

It's late, it's late, it's late, but not too late.. Brian May Seriously, anyone who has been in tech and conscious has been warning about this for at least 10 years. I still hear crickets.

@JeffCaplan313

3 жыл бұрын

I started telling people about all this in earnest back in 2007. No one was listening to me and I have no close friends or family now, even though now they're all asking me what we should do. It's not popular to speak the truth and being vindicated after the fact feels gross as fuck.

@esterhudson5104

3 жыл бұрын

20+

@markgarcia6887

3 жыл бұрын

I KNOW WHERE TO START!!! If Twitter, KZread and etc are putting disclaimers about Covid, voter fraud, vaccines, etc below videos and posts then that means they are " "concerned" about manipulation". Then by their own admission if they really are " "concerned" about truth and manipulation", then BY LAW, a bold large disclaimer should appear stating "YOU ARE BEING UNDERMINED AND MANIPULATED FOR OUR FINANCIAL GAIN - WE ARE USING YOUR DATA AGAINST YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR VULNERABILITIES TO PROFIT FROM YOUR WEAKNESSES" (or something like this)... ...this may not be much, but it's the truth and a start. (This will also shine a light about their "concern" and hypocrisy for truth and manipulation!)

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffCaplan313 You were onto them and lost hope before I did, then. My tearing away started in 2013, got real in 2016 and settled in 2019. The acceptance and recognition never came, and so be it. They stopped asking me what all this is, because they have a model of what I'd say to that in their heads, and they don't like it very much. I have nothing to share, or ask of them; and they don't like my shiny and content phisique imposing in on their decadence. It's OK. I can make more.

Thank you for finally saying all of this out loud. Very useful citation

During their conversation on The Portal Eric accused Bret of not taking his place in the world. Bret disagreed arguing that conversation rather than confrontation is a better way to change the world for the better (something along those lines). Watching Heather and him do their thing I agree. It is a wonderful and immensely important project. This just shows how important it is for everyone to find his/her own way because I do not think that Eric is wrong in what he's doing. He also is doing tremendous work and his heavy metal approach to things is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Definitely lifted me out of the "Matrix".

Social Dilemma is awesome. Thank you for the podcast!

never seen Tristan Harris speak so clearly on this before! great interview 🤝

I'm 62,and this way Facebook does its grouping, reminds me of my college days,a bit. I took a semester of Human Services and we all took a test . That test ended up showing that the things I like are the same things people in a certain career like . Strange

first! one love y’all. Hope to hear you around on CH again soon Brett!

@WaxCostanza

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqeWqcWIdpSnl7A.html&ab_channel=WaxCostanza Zev - Eric - Bret

@alberteinstein3078

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaxCostanza shit

Yaaaaassss!!!!!

@01:45:00 Bret: “Welllll this has been a great introduction to the conversation...” 😂

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

That's right. I could probably do four hours straight, without repeating myself or taking a minute, and without the other person saying a word to keep me going. I was working for the machine back in 2012, before I realized where it is going.

Very interesting topic and discussion.

“It’s not ok to game other people’s perception” It’s about CONSENT.

Bret is one of the most brilliant and engaging speakers out there. I can listen to him talk all day.

Great podcast... two of my favorites.

This gain of function study has been active since Bernays ran the Lucky Strike campaign

@yCherkashin

2 жыл бұрын

You didn't carry the billboard in your pocket back then. It didn't come up when you wanted to talk to your family. You could go on living a normal city life for weeks without being bothered by any of it. Our children don't know what that world was like.

1. Is it true. 2. Can I be absolutely sure that it is true. 3. What happens when I believe this belief. 4. Who would I be without this thought.

@greggarmen4092

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I was looking for this

Insightful to beyond being current. Thank you very much

So happy that we’ll have “cyber courts” in the future...with wonderful people like Tristan to determine what constitutes hate-speech. Viva Dystopia!

"Your Undivided Attention" is a great podcast

I appreciate being able to listen to and watch people having intelligent discussions on youtube. This type of discussion would be impossible in my immediate locality so I would say that my critical thinking and descrimination of information has been enhanced by such discussions. I have never liked any of the other social media platforms for the reasons given in this interview. Thanks, I am logging out now to ground myself by working in the garden and orchard, which I feel is the cure for the current imposed human derangement.

For once.... I'd love to hear someone refer to Russiagate as a conspiracy theory instead of Q or any other right leaning conspiracy.

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

You'd think they might try a little harder to conceal their bias. But, I doubt that they talk to or read anyone who provides significant perspectival shifts to the Right. I noticed that Tristan, on his podcast, interviewed someone about the threat of QAnon violence several months ago--but, he didn't interview anyone about Antifa or BLM violence. From a certain point of view, all of this sounds like a circuitous rationalization of one-way censorship and suppression.

R P Eddy's book about trying to recognise the Cassandras to avoid the Catastrophes is very interesting

It is urgent that we must pass laws to criminalize the use of bots or software to interfere in human conversations. If there is any reasonable exceptions to be made, any bot that attempts to communicate with humans must be clearly identified as such. This is a very serious issue, and perpetrators need to go to jail (!) No fines or slap on the wrist.

Must watch - Tristan fleshes out Bret’s sense of urgency on our current predicament and vice versa.

Terrific

Yes! Judicial systems need also to be revised, perhaps local, state and federal ethic review board counsels to hear complaints made up of an array of differing views to ensure a fair balance of discussion. Members that are not made of lawyers exclusively, but community people that can have intelligent discussions. Ethic counsels can rotate members, be elected and volunteer for a specified term. The boards could handle other matters as well potentially.

Please have Tristan back!

Good discussion

I just checked-out that Day After discussion panel, wow!! what a distractor

I killed Google Search, Twitter and all Facebook products due to the social dilemma. I’m still watching KZread but am killing all recommended videos in an attempt to short circuit the algorithm.

Marshall McLuhan warned us about this almost six decades back. He was called an obscurantist babbler by his fellow academics at the time. “This is Marshall McLuhan” is available on YT, as are many of his lectures.

Tristan is right. It's all about TRUST. This is why things like block-chain are so invaluable. Trust can be kind of embedded into systems that would otherwise not be trustworthy.

@oraz.

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if database trust extends to social trust, but a pear to pear more old school internet would be good.

And we are so easily led! Ignorance? weak morals and ethics? no spiritual beliefs?

Trostian makes me happy!!!

When they talk about breaking the Pintrest addiction, actually, that's one of the top tips of breaking any addiction, make it harder to do or get the thing.

Pre-emotive comment so I don’t forget to feed the algorithm! 😅