Fired for a quote from It's always sunny in Philadelphia. haha.

how dare he say "we all make mistakes" and then stick by his decision to go as far as straight out cut torres, how contradictory.

This is seriously messed up. Torres quoted the joke from "It's always Sunny in Philadelphia," and basically Dana's real message (whether he knows it or not) is that if you make a potentially offensive joke (publicly) that Dana doesn't *get*, you can get canned. THAT is unacceptable, and, because Dana IS much more concerned with PR than he claims to be, he should make a point of at least *appearing* to be impartial and objective--while also being sensitive to the importance of publicity.

@ligmaballs0911

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Crazy how things have changed within 10 years, huh.

@derpdyl

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@@ligmaballs0911 it is crazy. Now people can call others terrorists and dana doesn't give a fuck.

funny how dana "called forrest" and then "got after rashad" BUT he didnt get ahold of torres just fired him

I missed something what was said? whats the link?

the fucked up thing is he didnt even hear his side of the story but he heard griffin and evans its just unfair

No matter what, no matter what the circumstances are, no fighter should be informed that he is cut through a tweet, email, etc. At the very least, they should be informed via a phone call.

@JulioLeezy What incident are you referencing?

@lastrosenfeld did you watch the interview?

@xInfamousAvengerx what was Forrest Griffins Comment ?

what was the tweet any way?

I work for a man like Dana. Straightforward, understanding, and unwavering in his pursuit of good business. Makes it hard to argue against his direction.

He didn't get fired he fought at UFC 145 on April 21,2012.

10 years later* Dana - isn’t he fuc*in awesome?!

I do however think that Torres was fired due to not being as important to the company as Forrest or Rashad. Rashad, whether you like or hate him he sells fights. Forrest helped put the UFC on the mainstream level. Unfortunately Torres was a champion in WEC at a time when only the hardcore fans were paying any attention. Not many people probably would buy a $55 PPV to watch him. Therefore he was the easiest guy to get rid of without losing much.

@vyanez08 is that really the best you could come up with?

What did forrest and rashad say ??

Torres got fired because Dana White was confronted about it and was embarrassed. It doesn't matter what he said, it's that Dana White's megalomania was challenged.

ok so when i fighter says im going to kill you in the ring, thats fine, but when you joke aboput rape all of the sudden is controversial because of the rape victims? what about the victims of murder. so much bs.

@kevinparamakurunathan2882

10 жыл бұрын

No one really says they're going to kill each other in the " octagon" and even if they do , they are saying to each other in the heat f the moment. What Miguel Torres said was just plain stupid and was making a joke about rape on a public forum where everyone can see. Plus the joke seemed like Miguel was promoting rape through what he said. In the real world it doesnt matter where you work, if you are caught tweetng shit like that you will get punished for it.

@kevinparamakurunathan2882

10 жыл бұрын

I get wat ur saying bro But in the world we live is like that Trust me i know what ur saying But its not just the ufc trust

@rwasta7007

7 жыл бұрын

a joke is a joke, you shouldnt limit peoples freedom of expression. if rape jokes aren't aloud then no jokes that might "offend" should be aloud either. and we all know there is always someone offended by something in this victim like culture.

Great interview, Ariel. Keep up the great work.

This was a great interwiev Ariel, it's really a blessing to have such a talented reporter to cover mma. You might love or hate Danas stance regarding everything that has happened, but you cannot disregard the fact that he is honest and can explain the decisions that he has made, personally I think it is pretty amazing that the president of such a big company as the UFC speaks to everyone in such a way and I hope that we will continue to see that from the UFC.

@Luis-ym6fq

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He’s not really a good reporter/interviewer, he just somehow is Able to as these questions and get away with them

joe rogan would have laughed at torres's comment lol

MORAL: Think before you click.

@begood20000 Agreed,and that is EXACTLY what I was scared of when I heard they signed that deal.He's advancing MMA and the expanding the UFC,but ironically it may be to the DETRIMENT of MMA and the UFC.

i completely agree I don't no how people don't see this

lol torres watches workaholics

I don't watch the show, but tons of websites are saying its from some episode from season 4. Check it out and reply back with what you find out.

@Tommy9834 for ufc its big deal if you already had 2 incidents prior to that

@Tommy9834 As for not work-related, it actually doesn't matter. A soldier can get into serious trouble for showing up in uniform to a political rally, even if he does it on his off time, cause he's still representing his organization. (From the UCMJ), so Torres is indeed always representing UFC so he has to consider that, and it's not violating his rights cause he chose to always represent UFC by signing the UFC contract.

@spaniardmale77 "Twitter was set up for their UFC fighters." Somehow, I think this isn't accurate. Torres is still using his twitter account. I just checked it and he's been using it a lot since the time of his firing. If his twitter account were a UFC account, why would he still have personal access to it to make personal tweets? There is zero indication that the account was setup for the promotion of Zuffa or Zuffa owned companies.

@Tommy9834 @Tommy9834 "Torres made this deal to work for UFC." Can you verify that his "deal" included clauses pertaining to acceptable speech while not involved in an official work capacity? All indications point to the fact that this was a non-work related tweet during a non-work related period. Companies should be careful not to use their economic power over people’s livelihoods to control the social behavior of U.S. citizens. We should be careful not to let it happen.

@Tommy9834 That being said, I can agree with justifying Forrest's justification, and can understand why he wasn't fired, or gotten some type of punishment.

And yet Torres fought for the UFC on April 21,2012

@Tommy9834 "Have you ever worked for a company that requires you to wear a uniform?" We are not talking about on the job. My questions are specifically related to non-work, personal time. At no point has it been shown that Torres was working at the time of this tweet. If the tweet was made on personal time then it is protected free speech. This is not about uniforms at work or work place speech. This is private time. Should companies have rights above employee's during off duty time?

This is the way I see it: Dana got suprised during the interview where he was informared about thw tweet. For a short moment he didnt know what to respond to the interviewer, an unusual and very uncomfortable situation for Dana. As a result he got very angry and, after not recieving a proper explanation, decided to simply fire him. Now, Dana never mentioned that there will be no comeback für Miguel, and personally I believe, after a thorough apology, Miguel will be back. At least I hope so!

@moiseslima true. would he do the same if it were gsp?

I didn't know MMAfighting had an iphone app. Just downloaded it, its WAYYY better than the MMA torch app.

@millertimez06 many other fighters have done pretty much the same exact thing. as dana said forrest and rashad, im sure there are more. wasnt it even a quote from show? either way it was too much to release him, hence why miguel is back.

@thisisaguy To answer your question, yes IF the employee agrees to give that right up. You may not notice this but we give up rights everyday. When we buy something, we're giving up our right of possession of our money in exchange for someone else's right for their possession. If you sign a contract that says you will give up your right to say certain things, PUBLICLY, even on your free time, then the company gives you a right to work for them. Torres made this deal to work for UFC.

9:32 "Miguel Torres.............you're replaceable....i mean a fighter"

@dramatish Griffen's justification, I can accept, Rashad's not really. That being said, I don't think Rashad should be fired, but my point is, neither should Torres. What Torres said was NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

@Tommy9834 "Torres is indeed always representing UFC" Does it say this anywhere in his contract? Remember that Torres does not have an implied contract such as an "at-will" employee. He is a contracted employee. Do you know what his contract says?

Yup

What century are you living in?

what did Rashad and forrest do.

Whenever I say a rape joke (or any offensive joke) and somebody asks like "how could you even joke about that?" I just say "look I'm not joking about the concept of rape. What makes the joke funny is the word play or other comedic device that is unexpected and creates shock and laughter"

@CrazyMammaJamma it does from a businessman's (Dana White) POV. Rampage sells tons of fights so it's easier to look the other way. I'm not saying I am all for it, just that this decision was about business and saving face in my opinion and not on morals. He made the popular decision and not necessarily the right one.

also dont forget abour Frank Mir. Remember when he said he wanted to kill brock lesnar inside the octagon? not only that he said he wanted to be the FIRST person to kill someone in a UFC fight.

Really? Cool.. I did not realize that! Thank you!

for Dana: this joke is not about that "rape is cool" it's about that "people are easy to fool"

No they haven't. But you have to remember Ben when you are a fighter or somebody that is a public figure you have to be a little bit smarter what you say and do.

You're silly. Dana has to stand between the fighters, he said it himself in an interview with Ariel Helwani following Bigfoot and Overeem "You think I wanna stand between those two guys knowing one of them could throw a punch at each other and I couldn't do anything about it? I'm forced to!"

Ariel you will give Torres a call?? haha

@unab84 nick who?

What you guys have to remember is the fighters are literally the face of the UFC brand. If the UFC doesn't want to be seen as racist and misogynist, they can't employ people who are openly racist and misogynistic. You've also gotta be mindful that public image is something that the UFC has been struggling with for years; a representative making jokes about raping women isn't exactly helping the cause.

i swear i remember joe rogan saying "rape choke" during the commentary of some ufc event.

It's good to know Dana has no problem with jokes about raping children, as long as it's not about raping adults.

He was fired, but then re-hired after his manager and White reached a resolution that involved a formal apology by Torres.

It was an always sunny in philadelphia quote!

agreed

@Tommy9834 "the UFC requires their fighters to have a twitter account" Can you verify this? Torres is still using his twitter account. He opened the account in 2009. The vast majority of his tweets are personal or non UFC/Zuffa related. Unless he is under contract to use twitter as a work tool then he is under no obligation to the UFC. The UFC does not own twitter or his personal account. I still wonder why so many defend a company for firing an employee over protected free speech.

@unab84 i dont think nick can read

well said

agree, but many still consider that word offensive no matter how it is use

@thisisaguy Speech is still free. If the UFC was a government organization, then it be a big deal to fire someone cause they said something, but UFC as a private organization can have its own set of standards and regulations, and if a fighter don't like it, then they don't have to work for them. It's no different then any other job.

Torres should get a raise for quoting it's always sunny in philly

if you believe in freedom of speech go to work and talk to your boss the way you want and see how far it gets you

Is Dana going soft? Seriously, I never thought I would see the UFC go PC.

I'm offended, you called it X-mas, instead of Christmas... You are fired.

Why are the swears getting bleeped? It's the FUCKING internet!!!

That tweet was so dumb that even nowadays with the "speak your mind policy" would be kick out. BTW I heard of that policy a couple of yers ago and I liked that a lot.. Just wonder whether it is unwritten policy or official...?

@chingon711 Sometimes they make wrong decisions, but theyve made the UFC what it is. As far as Dana goes hes a great guy, he does a lot of stuff with the community, he just speaks his mind.

@thisisaguy "Was he? When is he not representing the UFC? When is his speech his own? Where is the distinction?" I was actually asking you. But remember, the UFC requires their fighters to have a twitter account now, so you can argue that the account Torres was using is like using a company given cellphone of laptop.

100% agree with you.

''if rape vans were called surprise vans than more girls would ask for a ride''-miguel torres...............kinda fucked up

This sets an absolutely horrible precedent for companies and free speech. No one has the right not to be offended.

@junfatzoid i already checked it out . i saw the episode their talking about. like i said, in that show there is a van and they jokingly called it a rape van. but THATS IT. nothing about women or suprise was said. so the joke may of come from a tv show but it wasnt "its always sunny in philly"

@endwelfare No. He did the right thing by cutting Daley. Declaring that Paul will never fight in the UFC again is a bit extreme though.

What the fuck ? Who made him the Tweeter police ?

Nice questions.... Ariel!

I really like Dana, I think he speaks his mind, never backs down and does alot of cool stuff for the fans. However I don't think he was right about this. Miguel Torres has not been champion for along time. My point is if Jose Aldo made a bad joke lets say, somthing tells me Dana wouldn't want to strip the belt off of his number one PPV draw at 145 lbs and cut him from the UFC roster. If Torres was still as popular as he was when he was a WEC champion, I think Dana would find his humor different

3 views looks weird on a vid like this lol

The UFC wouldn't be anywhere without Dana White. He can put his face on the UFC logo if he wanted, we should appreciate him because I couldn't stand watching another Boxing match because there was nothing else.

@dushku1 was not a quote. A quote is something you used word for word. He might have gotten idea from there.

@sagatbalrog I dont care what fighters say.I'm just sayin that if you gonna fire torres you should fire rashad.

Rashad Evans wrote "I'm going to put my hands on you worse than that dude on those kids at Penn State." That sounds just as bad to me. Rashad Evans makes the UFC a lot more money than Torres does though.

We should go out for a beer and talk about your issues.

What's so offensive about what Torres said? Yes it's vulgar but it makes sense.

lmao looking back at this shit is hilarious

@Tommy9834 That being said, I feel I should make it clear that I'm completely against Torres being fired, NOT cause I feel his rights were violated, but because there is a clear double standard being played here. If Rashad is not gonna get punished, then neither should Torres, OR if Torres is gonna get punished, then so should Rashad. Of course I don't feel the firing either of them is necessary.

The fact that he fired Torres doesn't piss me off. A company can have it's own standard and regulations. It's not infringing on anyone's 1st Amendment rights, cause anyone can still say what you want. The consequences follows, whatever. What pisses me off, is the double standard. He can pretty up the reason why Rashad said what he said, but that is not a real justification. So either fire both Rashad and Torres, or keep both.

You did not fire someone who actually molested a reporter during interview. Instead, you fire a guy who just wrote a joke about rape? And say you're reasonable?

@bones420usa That being said then, why not punish Rashad? That fact that emotions was the cause of him saying that (Assuming that;s even true) doesn't justify anything, so why not apply that same standard you posted on him?

I don't think he should have been suspended, but I do respect Dana White's choice. I think Miguel will be back, and he will be a better business man and fighter for it. He just has to play the game a little more savy like.

Wrong decision Dana sorry. You can tell when Ariel was asking him "why not a fine, or a suspension?" that Dana realized he was being way too heavy handed.

and rashad wrestled for michigan state not michigan

@thesanspower mmmm, Forrest actually did no say anything really wrong. If u dont understand that, I wont explain it to you.

At first I thought it sucked that Torres was the first guy to be made an example of but by the end of the interview I agree with Dana. Just because your contract doesn't specifically say you can say this or that. So things are common sense and some arbitrary tweet about rape is a reason to fire someone.

miguel didn't get the memo, and bottom line he should just ban the word rape from their comments.

Lol thats just dark humor