Lover your battle reports guys, have to say they're some of the best Old World reports on the internet. Well done, keep up the great work.

to mention to the chat, The Verminlord first appeared in 4th edition. I know. I still have my copy of the 4th edition Skaven army book. The model back then was metal, and about the same size as the Rat ogres.

@mattruecker5861

5 ай бұрын

Wrong... the Verminlord was in the 2nd edition codex.

@williamcheek2778

5 ай бұрын

@@mattruecker5861 There were no army books for fantasy 2nd edition. That was like 1984-1986. I don't think the 3rd edition skaven list had a verminlord either. There is an 80s warlord model called "verminlord" but that is just a dude not a huge daemon.

The dreaded 13th first appeared in the 7th edition Skaven army book, which was one of the last army books before the release of 8th and arguably already designed for 8th's mechanics.

@skarnak1

5 ай бұрын

a version of the dreaded 13th appeared much earlier than 7th edition. it first worked on a model by model basis, which meant you rolled for each model in the unit; some would be changed to clanrats, some not. It would then become 2 different units, and engaged in hand to hand combat. The new version that appeared in 7th only replaced models with clanrats if the whole unit changed. Otherwise the models were just destroyed. Not so for the original version of the spell, which was called "Curse Of The Horned Rat".

Luka shooting all his anti-infantry shots into the T6 monster and then getting all surprised and depressed to the point of essentially wanting to give up when nothing happened made me depressed and frustrated... Also curious at how the LoC saved the wound from the Warlords Weeping Blade. (Pretty sure it can't, so that would be D3 wounds on the LoC and an additional D3 extra CR for Luka in that fight, which would've had a big impact on the game: Soul Grinder would've died 1 round sooner and the LoC would probably be dead, meaning Luka would've had a big chance of winning the game instead of giving up in frustration...)

@skarnak1

5 ай бұрын

yeah, shooting all those shots into the S6 monster wasn't a very good idea, IMO. He wasn't the appropriate target for those shots. Not even the warp lightning cannon is good for that, as it only does 1 wound now.

"I can't wait to down a bottle of Nyquil later... Will you please just shoot me?" - should be one of the sales quotes for the rule book lmao

Love the battle reports. Keeps me going for when I can finally play in late February. Would love 1-2 battle reports involving Empire if you could :)

Skaven also benefit from now from taking units of giant rats as speed bumps to run up the board there are so many ways that just in this game with a few tweaks the skaven could have taken it but like buddy said in the beginning he just wants to go up the board and bang out. Played the skaven like dwarfs lol I could see how you could think that at first

@freeRadioArmageddon

5 ай бұрын

Skaven always just fall short 😅

How does the chariot caster target the globadiers? They are behind a woods terrain feature. That blocks line of sight.

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

i peaked past the trees

Okey so page 150 rulebook 'Excess Casualties' states that extra casualties beyons first rank reduse supporting attacks, leading me to believe that normal support attacks can be made if only the front rank is slain.

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

That is correct

Since February is a ‘short month’ then I say make it all Dwarfs/Chaos Dwarfs first the month!

"Shooting sucks" Proceeds to shoot the anti infantry weapon into a monster 🤦 Yeah...Skaven need a lot of thinking I guess... You also did too many shots with your Globadiers. Skirmisher modells still block LOS meaning, you need to place them in checkerboard formation to enable the back rank to shoot.

@MinscS2

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I love Luka but that was genuinely painful to watch. Pouring all that S4-S5 shooting (and random S cannon) into a T6-target and then going *surprised pikachuface* when nothing happens... Imagine if he had targeted the T3-Horrors or T4-Flamers instead...wounds on 2s and 3s and ignoring their ward.

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

@@MinscS2 I think the ratling isn't magical anymore but more wounds equal more chances for the demons to fail their saves :D I aslo don't get why he didn't move the Stormvermin up more aggressively and let them get cooked and pounded by the Soulgrinders ranged...

You two have a great rapport and are entertaining to watch. Many skaven lists use either thr bell or furnace and have a shooty list. Would be great to showcase a melee list with skirmishers and skaven slave replacements* for distraction and deplaying part of the enemy force. * Giant rats (3pts) and clan rats (4pts) can be used like slaves used to (although you can't fire into combat). Skaven still jave issues with monsters, particularly dragons. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this. I'm going to try out 2 warlords, one suicidal with the fellblade (in stormvermin with a chieften with skavenbrew) and a generalist warlord with ogre blade snd 4+ ward.

Thank you for showing me how not to build an army. Here I am making my 1000pt first dwarf army with a ton of guns... now I know better!

Also i have another question. i can't find anywhere mentioning if a character inside a unit can change position in the unit while the unit is moving or before a unit moves or when a unit ends its movement.

@Lenneth8

5 ай бұрын

It might fall under redress the ranks but i have no idea

I'm not sure if you did the poison wind globadiers backfire correctly. First, you roll to hit as normal. If you roll any ones, you reroll those dice. If you roll ones again, then you do D3 hits to the globadier unit. The second roll represents their gas mask protection.

@skarnak1

5 ай бұрын

and then, they're still just D3 hits. you still need to roll to wound, which would be on 5's and 6's

@idkwhatislife7120

5 ай бұрын

Also it only says if a natural one is rolled, roll a d6, not roll a d6 for every one

Hey guys I enjoyed the show n been watching alot of your batreps of late n very happy w ur channel’s new old-world content but respectfully you guys lost the plot in this one 🤣 Too much shenans for my liking this time found it hard to follow the action but still enjoyed the humor n the great vibes it reminds me of how i play w my mates casually ❤

I love how Luka is like super into the LORE. Praise the HOMIES

When will we see the empire?

I don't understand how Characters on Chariots work. Does anyone know? Are they replacing one crew member as before, do you add their Wounds to the profile? Toughness? Thx.

@jessepigram1039

5 ай бұрын

The rules for chariot characters are on page 205 of the big book, but I'll answer the questions you've got here. They do not replace a crew member. You add the wounds of the chariot and the character together. You use the best Toughness of either character or chariot. So a Beastlord on Tuskgor Chariot has three riders (the two crew of a normal chariot and the character), 7 wounds (chariot's 4, lord's 3) and uses the lord's Toughness of 5 (over chariot's T4)

@00Kuja00

5 ай бұрын

@@jessepigram1039 Oh ok thx! Was confused when some mounts had a different stat line for being ridden, but was never the case for chariots. ^^*

Luka, you should look at the dice more before you pick them up, your Ratlings hit and wounded quite a bit more than what you rolled/said.

Luka has a point Steve, when it comes to the Hammerers/Longbeards kings etc. Lore trumps meta/mechanics/optimization

Please try a cav or monster heavy list next :)

How many points?

I keep coming back to watch but the fluctuations in voice volume take me out looking for another bat rep supplier almost immediately. Wonder if you guys have thought about having mics or something to control the output volume of excited voices? Not trying to start a fight as I'm keen to watch these batreps but i struggle with the volume constantly changing.

usually not bad these, but showed such disrespect for both armies was hard to watch

*chants* RATS RATS RATS!

Hello, random question. I can't find anywhere in the book how regular building works. I know they are impassable terrain but how many models can be placed inside? I see you can place 10 models inside a tower but how many models can you out inside a regular building?

@seitom8849

5 ай бұрын

None. The tower is mission specific.

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

Placing models in buildings only works with the special features of certain missions.

@rileyosteen6470

5 ай бұрын

Generally speaking, yeah, buildings are impassable terrain unless otherwise specified

Demons don't get wards against magical wounds no?

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

Nope. Big nerf, back to 6th edition rules. As an exchange, mono god armies are super valid now.

@skarnak1

5 ай бұрын

unfortunately, almost none of the Skaven shooting is magical now. Only the Jezzails count as magical shooting.

But Luka what if his Ironbreakers are his homies

while elves might be really strong, I'd rather not go back to paying 17 points per model for a naked elf with a bow :(

I know that stormfiends are The End times units but i would love to see them in TOW. They bring cool lore to clan Scrye

@TheVacationist

20 күн бұрын

Wholeheartedly disagree, they are imo way too sci-fi for the setting, and completely over the top, conceptually. Besides, the lore states that *during the end times* Skrolk and whichever Skryre engineer teamed up to create them, following a joint development period of trial and error. The circumstances for their development were simply not present during the time of the old world.

@ziomekszary647

20 күн бұрын

@@TheVacationist I just love the idea that clan moulder were producing rat ogers and clan scryer were buying them and reconstructing into controlled warmaschines. Im not sure when thanquall appeared but the whole stormfiends shenenigans suits skaven everywhere

The rattling gun is not the support weapon you want to take you would have benefit from a plauge priest with demonology a unit of plauge monks and a plauge claw catapults for the big pie plate . You could have put an assassin in a unit of giant rats with a brass orb and ran up on the dammed monster and hit it on like a 3 and removed it from play because of its poor i just a sppedbump for learning how the skaven are gonna play

I think its prenounced "stience"

Some really bad habits being used during movement. Just eying the wheel, just means you end up cheating. Almost an hour and a half before you get into combat....

RATS RATS RATS

Demon player moves about 1.5 past the tape measure every time

@00Kuja00

5 ай бұрын

Noticed that as well.

@isakjohansson112

5 ай бұрын

The angles of the cameralenses actually do cause alot of shenanigans. They have shown this on several occasions with exemples thats beyond questioning. No doubt they get sloppy with the measuring, especially when they are tired and dont really wanna play, but niether of them ever cheats.

@00Kuja00

5 ай бұрын

@@isakjohansson112 Never said they did.

Wow I love your reports but this one was boring :) Bring an Ulric themed Empire ;)

Skaven army options in general look bland. Pure Tzeentch is unusable. A lot of Daemon units are unusable.

That's a Pride Doom Wheel, makes sense Skavens probably do anything or anyone willing

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

Skaven are super racist and are only attracted to their breeders...

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

Skaven feel only attracted to breeders. All other species are just fodder in their eyes.

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

Lol, KZread shadowbanning at it's best....

@bennyboy5374

5 ай бұрын

@@leichtmeister yeah I didn't report anyone that replied

@leichtmeister

5 ай бұрын

@@bennyboy5374 It's my comments. Guess, YT doesn't like the Skaven word for their own females (not wanting to be edgy, there are just no women in Skaven society) or the word for them not liking non-Skaven people. Who knows 🤷

eww soulgrinder, that model shouldnt be in fantasy.

This guys just trolling us now…..firing your rattling guns into a monster they can’t hurt? I know your having fun but it’s not any fun for the viewers when someone basically throws a game 🤦🏻‍♂️

@ColoradoJinx

5 ай бұрын

At some point I do hope they start showcasing some tactical play. I think many people have a general feel for the basic rules now.

@charlesthomashanley

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree

Not a great show this time, too much goofing around / not even trying to win / lack of focus.

Skaven in TOW suck. Ratling gun was nerfed, magic was nerfed...

@MountainMiniatures

5 ай бұрын

Not at all true. Play the game a few times tell me if you feel the same.

is there nay benefit for going full tzeentch?