People might be interested in the "Level 15 fight in 30 minutes challenge" where I build and run an encounter live! kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqB_rtmjaLq-grQ.html ADDITIONS/ERRATA: -6:46 I agree with @LightningRaven42 and many others that Rogue Resilience at Level 9 should be errata'd out. No other class gets "Evasion" in all 3 saves, including the Monk. (By the way I prefer the term "boosted" for the mechanic of turning successes into critical successes, from the thread I made about it on the subreddit!) -18:15 To be clear, the eidolon only benefits from FUNDAMENTAL runes from armor, not property runes. (Whereas it benefits from all weapon runes.) -20:08 the ability for Abserd AND the eidolon to do exploration activities is a function of Act Together, which only base Summoners get. Thx @undrhil5281 ! --31:33 Evolution Surge lets the summoner add ONE ability. (So Huge size OR flight in this instance.) At this level, the Fly spell is available. And there are two feats, Glider Form (Lvl. 1) and Airborne Form (Lvl. 14) then give permanent flight to an eidolon. -50:14 The summoner already got to stand up as a free action due to the Cleric's Heroic Recovery (42:33). -1:03:38 Abserd could only add 3 charges to a staff with Sure Strike, because the highest spell rank he can prepare is 3rd rank.

@LightningRaven42

5 ай бұрын

There no way that the Rogue Resilience isn't a major mistake that Paizo let through. No other class in the game gets to have "Evasion-type" abilities on Expert Saving Throws, only Master. And a Rogue definitely wouldn't have it on Fortitude.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@LightningRaven42I agree. Adding!

@player03

5 ай бұрын

50:14 The summoner already got to stand up as a free action that didn't provoke (42:33). Based on the cut at 44:42, I assume you recorded the prone version first, and then went back and added Heroic Recovery?

@Etropalker

5 ай бұрын

Sudden leap+felling strike used to take 3 actions, now it takes 2, re-read the remastered feat.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@player03I had to backtrack more than once recording this. Thanks for the timestamps!

“The Ghost Lawyer” Should have chosen the “Class Action” attack. 😉

20:08 the multiclass Summoner dedication doesn't give you the tandem abilities of the summoner. So your character or your eidolon can do an exploration activity but not both of you

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Good catch!

So from the look of things, the Eidolon seemed to be the weak point of Abserd. Every time he avoided damage, the Eidolon seemed to take it. Makes for an interesing tactical decision, having it out or not. Extra flanking and reaction opportunities, but adds a ton of vulnerability.

Forcecage + Sickening Radiance gave me hives. That's exactly what happened to me, and one of the straws that broke the camel's back when it came to moving to PF2e

I wonder what it would be like if in the level 20 fight, none of the classes Abserd took were represented in the other PCs, which means Abserd isn't stepping on their toes but instead needs to step up to fill those roles.

This is my first intro to high level pathfinder play and WOW is it more interesting than D&D! Thanks for helping a convert!

0:10 From your perspective, the glasses aren't crooked, they're left-leaning.

This character is Abserd! I'm amazed he's already up to six classes by level 13. And it is really cool that he's not feeling useless, but also not as good at any one thing. Makes me want to play rogue 🤔

Bit late, but minor nitpick: around 18:15, you make the comment that the Eidolon benefits from the runes on the armor, too. It'd benefit from the fundamental runes, but it only gets the property runes of weapons, not armor. I only noticed this around level 11 of my summoner, so I get the confusion. :D

"...prove their theory that the dragons were actually servants to a hoard of demons..." So, I guess Abserd and gang are going up against a balor lord and 4 mariliths at level 20?

1:03:38 I remember the rules on staves citing your highest rank spell slot, Abserd would only be able to prepare a staff for 3 charges + up to 3 more after expending any one spell slot, no?

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

I think you're right!

I have the same glasses problem, solidarity brother ✊

Did... Did you self-insert as the Eidolon _just_ to make the Defense Attorney joke? If so, then well played sir.

This is a brilliant video. I'd love to see the conclusion to this series.

i learned so much about multiclassing in this series!

Crooked glasses gang! You go.

@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd

5 ай бұрын

the glasses are level, the head is tilted xD

High level 5e D&D combat is utter garbage, been there, would never do it again.

@katarhall3047

5 ай бұрын

@@ATOMsmasher0We just started Age of Ashes 6, and it is a brutal engagement every time.

@bazs7722

5 ай бұрын

I'm running a campaign for 6 years now and the party is level 19 and I agree with that sentiment so much. Every time I need to prep a combat encounter, I just want to die. The story will slowly coming to an end, but good lord, I'm never gonna run 5e again.

@katarhall3047

5 ай бұрын

@bazs7722 One of the biggest failures (which PF2E doesn't have) is the whole "Level 10 and done." What is rather interesting is, if you play OSR/E material, that's a very old school feel. Usually by level 10-12 you were in god mode, compared to the system. 5E seems to have taken that to heart, and dragging yourself to 20 feels like a bore, or chore, or both.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think a Quickened character (with Haste) can use her action only to Stride e Strike (basic actions) so you could not have used Felling Strike with the fighter. Your fighter, while Inivisibile heal himself with potions (2 actions, one to retrieve the potion and one for drink the potion) and activates the rune from the armor (another 2 actions). Good combat though!

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Time stamp on Felling Strike? I could've sworn every time he used it I included 1 Stride. I'll include a note about the potion

@FrancescoDondi77

5 ай бұрын

About 43:30 when you use Sudden Leap + Felling Strike. Sorry I rewatched and I was wrong after you drink the potion, you stride and then fly. My bad. @@TheRulesLawyerRPG

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@FrancescoDondi77On that turn he does Sudden Leap + Felling Strike, which I realize now when combined uses THREE actions. He does do a Strike and Stride after. Adding a correction EDIT: This was removed in the Remaster! It's now only 2 actions!

@player03

5 ай бұрын

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Someone else also pointed this out, but the "Special" text for Sudden Leap (visible at 43:25) clarifies that Felling Strike does NOT change the number of actions required.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@player03 Ah, it was 3 actions in the Core Rulebook. This got buffed in the Remaster!

When I’ve seen summoner dedication I was really surprised. This archetype really needs to be work on to make it good lmao. Probably the most tricky dedic in the system

Unless there is a feat I am not aware of, I think the Cleric went down with a crit (which means wounded 2). Then the Cleric gets downed again with another cri, would that mean dying 4 and equals a dead character? Love these type of videos by the way!

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

When you recover from Dying, no matter what your Dying value was your Wounded value only goes up by 1

That was a fun fight!

Yeah, Summoner Dedication!

Very interested in your animations. Is there a video that goes over the modules you use for foundry? (I am looking right now)

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

On my Discord in #vtt-advice I pin my list from a few months ago. For animations here you want TokenMagic, Automated Animations, JB2A Animated Assets, and PF2e Animations

I'm late to the party, but I just need to say that the name Ghouls Lawyer was *right there*.

If you are a spellcaster in PF2E, you must pray daily for hordes of weaker enemies.

First of all, thanks for doing these! I'm behind in watching them for reasons. It doesn't help that since I don't know PF2 well, jumping in at this point is confusing at all of the abilities. I know that starting at low level and working up to this would make these more intuitive. Second, I haven't GMed a PF2 game in a while, so my questions are to understand. At around 47:00 the Eidolon gets summoned back, takes its actions, and then takes persistent damage. Does it keep all status effects from when it was sent away? If so, do those affect it when it's not present? Thanks!

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

I don't think the rules are explicit on this. Because the two are so linked, I think its impracticable to carry out effects while they're not in this plane. I think lorewise it's easy enough to justify and handwave.

I may have mentioned this in an earlier video's comments, but the free archetype feats don't appear to be in play for the other characters in the party. That would be maddeningly difficult to select and manage, but it's not actually as fair of a comparison without doing that.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Hmm I think it would overly complicate things without much reward. Sure, the fighter could take a caster archetype, but it would simply mean they're using their limited 3 actions no longer showcasing the fighter and instead showing, say, divine spellcasting, which the Cleric already is doing. It's hard to quantify/assess compare a character's strength in isolation compared to others in PF2. People have more abilities than they have actions for, and everything's situational. I think a full "how strong is this character" assessment of Abserd versus each other character would be very involved and would be inconclusive anyway, and would devolve into saying "X character's ability is good in Y situation, Z character's ability is good in this other situation"

@wrathisme4693

5 ай бұрын

Explain for someone that doesn't know pathfinder very well, does he effectively have a bunch more feats than everyone else?

@player03

5 ай бұрын

@@wrathisme4693 Yes.

@TheGreatSquark

5 ай бұрын

Given that Ronald is using the iconics for the rest of the party, they probably wouldn't change much. Kyra the cleric would pick up champion dedication to really lean into the hybrid warpriest/cloistered cleric she tries to have as a pregenerated character (Although that would have buffed her AC and given her lay on hands for burst heals), while Valeros the fighter goes Bastion so he no longer has to choose between defending with his shield or smacking people with it. Ija the summoner is the tricky one since she doesn't have a pregenerated character sheet. Perhaps lean into her imagination and use mindsmith with tandem strike so she can run her foes down with an imaginary lance while riding her not so imaginary friend?

@iCarus_A

5 ай бұрын

@@wrathisme4693FA lets you take up to 10 extra feats compared to a "normal" build (which usually comes with around 30 feats). These feats are designed to expand your character building choices and allow easier multiclassing, especially for classes that have a lot of "must-have" or high-priority feats, such as Inventor or Kineticist.

I this characters name should be jack, since he is more of a jack of all trades, and still viable in gameplay. Abserd was just ridiculousness that at high levels has very little going for it

cool

What’s that module you have that lets you see some basic monster stats like save DC on hovering over the token?

@sotech10

5 ай бұрын

Illandril's Token Tooltips

@KaZlos

5 ай бұрын

there are two Illandrils token tooltips or pf2e interactive token tooltip

A month late here but 31:47 - doesn't the summoner only get to give her dragon flight _or_ huge size, rather than both? The basic text of the spell is "choose one" and the heightened effects add more options but don't appear to add more picks.

Does the evolution surge spell let the dragon fly AND become huge with a single casting?

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Good catch! Adding a correction

What's the module that places the initiative order on the top of the screen?

At 43:00 - Is the fighter using those two feats because they're hasted? Is a hasted action specifically just a 'strike' or 'stride' by itself or can it be included in a feat that does a 'strike' or 'stride' within its action? Super cool if that's the case! At my table I don't think that is how it is run at the moment however.

@DaraelDraconis

4 ай бұрын

Haste specifies "Strike or Stride actions" as the possibilities for the quickened action. That means those two specific named actions. If it meant "actions that allow you to Strike or Stride", it would say that instead, or (even more flexibly) it might have specified Attack or Move actions (thereby working for any action with one of those tags). Even as it is, however, it's less limiting than you might think, because you can take your Quickened action at any point you choose relative to your other actions, so as long as you were going to take one of those two anyway you effectively gain an unrestricted action (simply use the restricted one when you would first Strike or Stride).

@lnflnltyLegend

3 ай бұрын

The feat "Sudden Leap" says at the bottom that you can combine it with the other feat at no extra cost of actions. So to recap: 2 - Actions (Sudden Leap + Felling Strike) 1 - Action (Strike) +1(Hasted) - Action(Stride)

Multiclassing isn't as good in Pathfinder 2e, but that's in part to more consistent power scaling through the levels. 5e rewards us more for minimal investment into most classes. Poor Fighter abused for Action Surge

MAP doesn't affect Reactions. The phrasing is somewhat ambiguous I guess, but it does explicitly state that "you don't have to keep track of it if you can perform a Reactive Strike or a similar reaction that lets you make a Strike on someone else's turn". It doesn't state that it only applies during someone else's turn, just that it doesn't apply if the reaction is CAPABLE of being on someone else's turn.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Do you have a timestamp? Not sure what you're replying to... If you do something like Opportune Backstab triggered by your Eidolon during your own turn, MAP applies because it's during your turn. (Something I learned while making this.)

@ShadowDrakken

5 ай бұрын

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG you had a caption at the bottom claiming that near the end too. But RAW reactions do not MAP, ever.

@player03

5 ай бұрын

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Reactive Strike says "This Strike doesn’t count toward your multiple attack penalty, and your multiple attack penalty doesn’t apply to this Strike." I'm pretty sure that overrides whatever other rule you're referring to. (Unless that sentence was errata'd out since November?) Edit: wait, you said Opportune Backstab. I apparently didn't read closely enough.

@player03

5 ай бұрын

@@ShadowDrakken "Ever" is a strong word. The Ready action has an entire paragraph about how MAP still applies to a readied attack. It also says "This is one of the few times the multiple attack penalty applies when it's not your turn," so I think the intent is to leave the door open for similar effects later on.

@ShadowDrakken

5 ай бұрын

@@player03 exactly, it specifically calls out the exception to the rule when MAP does apply.

Is there a reason why Abserd didn't need to role stealth to sneak by the dragon? Wouldn't he potentially still be able to hear him when he walks in?

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

He would have needed to; I just didn't roll it out

@themeddlesomeunicorn

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheRulesLawyerRPG gotcha, thank you!

I have a bit of a gripe with pf 2e skill feats. The more I think about it, the more serious it feels, but I'll let you be the judge. (Offtopic, but the huge list of Abserd's skill feats reminded me) I remember when during the playtest skill feats were introduced and were often described as the non-combat kind (as opposed to class feats), but that's just not true! Nobody uses them for out of combat stuff, not even you when you are trying to show off the system! I get that your aim in this particular video is the combat, and some of the feats can be also used in exploration, but that's a character that's supposed to be somewhat competent in more than just reducing hp (skills like Intimidation and Medicine don't count, since they help in reducing hp and see less use in downtime). And the new books hardly help! Used to be that Diplomacy was a strictly non-combat option (except for that one legendary skill feat), but then Bon Mot happened, and with each new book you get more combat-only skill feats. The power creep is real! And it's not like there are that many great out of combat feats, and APs are pretty combat heavy in general, so usually a combat skill feat really is the best option you have. It's annoying.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

This is GM dependent I think. It's the nature of out-of-combat abilities. Things like Sow Rumor or Quick Coercion (get multiple people to do what you tell them for a day or more) can be very valuable in some campaigns.

@user-zk3dx9dd6p

5 ай бұрын

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I guess so, it's just that I GMd a few APs, and as written they were pretty brutal and didn't leave much leeway (well, Age of Ashes and Agents of Edgewatch were brutal, Ruby Phoenix was fairly tame). So the players would use every resource for survival and then stumble through the occasional social segment - often failing, but hey, if combat breaks out, good news! It's now a situation they're prepared for! Also Intimidation is OP NERF NOW

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'd say that most APs are very combat focused. (Strength of Thousands not so much, I hear.) If a group is feeling like they must use their limited resources on combat abilities to "hold on" in combat, the group or GM might want to consider tuning things down a notch with the encounters. But yeah, since those APs are so combat focused and have their "rails," you really do have to homebrew or be willing to let the party go off-track to make the other pillars shine while running them.

a-mal-gum

Level 13 is still mid level to me. But then again, our groups actually finish 1-20 adventure paths. At least in the ancient days when Paizo published them. Oh, and I see your glasses as straight, but your head that is queer.

why are you acting like your conclusion that this guy isn't optimal doesn't support your pathfinder bias when it clearly obviously does considering your previous reference to the common pathfinder criticism that your character building choices don't really matter

@siegherz

5 ай бұрын

You're gonna have to explain how character building choices don't matter because that is a huge statement. Signed, a guy who's first character was a strength-based Monk tank.

@TheGreatSquark

5 ай бұрын

It's a lot more accurate to say that the optimization floor in Pathfinder 2e is at a much healthier level. Absurd is lagging behind a power build, but he's not a liability the way poorly build characters in other systems are.

@cold_Lightning9

5 ай бұрын

​​@@siegherzJust sounds like 5e bias to me honestly. As someone that's been playing and DMing 5e for 7+ years now, I can say that Pathfinder 2e is insurmountably superior in terms of character and class choices that can also fit a theme you're trying to achieve. That's just me of course, but a lot of criticisms about Pathfinder having "choices that don't matter" strike me as 5e biased people that are attacking Pathfinder for no reason. That or they feel some type of way when there's a system that offers options that suite many people's preferences and feel the need to defend their own against it for whatever reason. Judging from that other guy's comment on this same vid earlier, they strike me as that kind of defensive person. Or it's just straight up trolling lol. There are legitimate things to criticize Pathfinder 2e imo, like the drowning rules are just dumb to me and diagonal movement is debatable between different groups. Character choices is honestly one of Pathfinder 2e's strongest features, so the concept of it being bad makes no sense to me personally like you more or less said yourself.

@siegherz

5 ай бұрын

@@cold_Lightning9 For sure. I just want, for once, to read an actual argument talking about character creation in PF2E. I'm a GM as well, migrated from 5E to PF2E after only 3 sessions of 5E. We had a Barbarian who used frenzy, I think, and was RAW exhausted for using one ability. Not to mention my Ranger player who was basically standing around shouting orders at her cat.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@cold_Lightning9Yeah it's kind of the "illusion of choice" argument, but for character builds.

*Absurd

@kevinbarnard355

5 ай бұрын

Incorrect. In this case, it is Abserd

You forgot to take into account that a high-level Pathfinder combat feels more like you're playing Excel than a game. I've done level 20 one shots in D&D 5e many times and everyone's always had a blast, I don't even know if a Pathfinder 2 stan whould disagree with me saying that the same thing is simply not possible in pathfinder. You would have to have a collection of all of the biggest experts on the game playing each character and dming. I challenge you to try doing this and seeing if your hypothetical here holds up in reality

@chad2997

5 ай бұрын

It may feel like that to those who enjoy rules-light style of play. I'm in the opposite camp. The heavier the rules, the better. PF may feel like an excel sheet to you, but it feels like a normal game to me. To me, D&D feels like something you'd play with your non-hardcore gaming friends on game night to try to get them turned onto ttrpgs. It's like the Catan of RPGs, haha. There's not near enough rules and options for my liking. Also, by the time someone has played their character from 1-20, they know it inside and out. It's not near as complicated as it may seem when watching one person roll up a bunch of fresh high-level characters and try to play them all by themself. PF high-level play is most definitely as much of a blast as any other system. Moreso in my opinion. There's no wrong way to play though. Rules-light or rules-heavy... Both styles exist so everyone can have fun.

@beerdo231

5 ай бұрын

I think the real difference is in one shots vs campaign style play. 5e works reasonably well at high levels for one shots, but totally falls apart when you try to run a campaign at those levels. On the other hand Pf2e works quite well at high level campaign style play, but in one shots can be difficult because of trying to keep track of all the abilities and specific rules interactions. As the other comment said if you played the character out from 1-20 all that stuff will just feel natural and you will know exactly when to use each ability and apply each specific rule because you've gradually built it up over time. However if you just jump into the character at level 20 you will be completely overwhelmed. 5e on the other hand can be quite easy to grasp even at high level for a one shot, but if you try to extend that high level play into a campaign you will need to develop a huge list of house rules to prevent the game breaking.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

​@@chad2997I agree with Chad. High-level Pathfinder isn't for everyone. And doing a "one-shot" of high-level Pathfinder will likely be a nightmare. You already have interesting and amazing things to do at low- to mid- levels anyway - no need to kick it up to 20 to be "interesting." And if you're organically getting going up to 20 you already got used to the complexity on the way.

@silencio3608

2 ай бұрын

I already had a lot of fun playing One-Shots in high level, even one with dual class in level20

It's funny watching PF2E and 5e kids argue over which is better when both are objectively inferior to 4e.

@TheBiggs77

5 ай бұрын

"objectively"

@ashurasama

5 ай бұрын

4E combat was a slog.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

I played 4e and enjoyed its innovations and a lot of the powers, but the combat did run long even after MM3 rebalancing. My experience admittedly was limited to D&D Encounters scenarios which I'm guessing were on the heavy side. That is my SUBJECTIVE opinion. I'm not asinine enough to call others kids and claim my preference is objectively better.

@ashurasama

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I played 4E with a GM that built his own encounters, and combat was still too long, even with plenty of options to try and speed things up. One thing my GM REALLY liked about 4E were the rules for non-combat encounters - skill challenges are a great way to incite player creativity, and the fact that you could justify using ANY skill for them meant that nobody felt useless at the table. Skill challenges were very much the meat of his scenarios and presented a lot of roleplay opportunities. We ended up doing one combat encounter every three sessions or so, and it often took the better part of the session. The encounters always had some interesting mechanics so they were fun to play, but those sessions just didn't have enough roleplay to them so once every three sessions just felt right.

The petty confrontational stuff's gone on for a while now, so i'ma say... it's just gonna prevent you from growing. Only trying to help. Ignore or get really bent out of shape about it as you wish. Yeah people aren't paying you *directly* but you are trying to get money *based* on what they think, and yeah who cares about the glasses, i get being bugged by it, but... you're selling yourself. If what you're selling is "i don't care what you say or think and also i am self-identifying as petty", well, that's probly gonna be a turn-off for many, you just lost some amount of subscribers. If you're cool with that, cool. But then consider how that undercuts any call to action you might ever do (a la Patreon) as at that point you've decided you're in a sense above such things and will maybe take feedback *really* personally.

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

5 ай бұрын

The channel is providing a sustainable income. The caption has backed off 99% of the rude comments so it's been a total success. Thanks for the concern, but I'm fine.

@origami_dream

5 ай бұрын

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Cool, guess you can stop with the calls to action, then.

@ImranKhan-ty9ij

5 ай бұрын

@@origami_dreamdo you know how KZreadrs make an income? The please subscribe/join/patreon speak is pretty bog standard when it comes to KZread monetization.

@d1morto

5 ай бұрын

I like it. It says, "The mob isn't going to control me. I am an independent person who makes their own decisions". It actually feels like a pretty healthy choice. But I also hate people trying to tell me what to do, so maybe it's just me.