Back in the 90s when I was in college, one of the first computer programs I made was a randomized lifepath generator for Cyberpunk 2020. It was one of those things that helped me move from being a physics major to being a computer science major which started my career for 25+ years.

@peterdickinson4599

Жыл бұрын

Following your passion is alway the best way to navigate life.

@_Woody_

Жыл бұрын

@@peterdickinson4599 And in this specific case following your passion was also following the money.

@samholden5758

Жыл бұрын

I remember writing a traveller character generator program in the 1980s. And again in the 1990s. And again in the 2010s :)

@StabYourBrain

Жыл бұрын

@@_Woody_ You know it's hard to be alive annd exist nowadays without money.

@_Woody_

Жыл бұрын

@@StabYourBrain Never has been different, choomba. I am glad for everyone who can combine passion and pay. Best thing that can happen to you.

The idea of a house rule called "You remember the time Robocop shot that guy in the dick?" that creates half cover conditions made me laugh a great deal.

@Mutski1579

Жыл бұрын

And that concept is very much cyberpunk. Right down to the title! 😉

Had to double check... yeah! Scott Brown is in the Rulebook, even in the german edition. Proud of you Seth! Still my favorite warstory of yours

@nothri

Жыл бұрын

No joke I bought this rulebook specifically because of that reference. Any company willing to make a nod to our man Seth is worth a little extra attention.

@brianlawson3757

Жыл бұрын

I'm making it in-home canon that Scott Brown Realty LLC has been in existence since 1918 just in case I decide to run Call of Cthulhu someday! It's such a great story and it's ripe for spicing up an adventure.

@JakeSweeper

Жыл бұрын

@@brianlawson3757 Ha! Have them be the Agency that bought Corbin House to long after the events of the Haunting and drop hints to the investigators that they're buying up the properties the party visits for some unknown reason. :)

@Syaniiti

Жыл бұрын

@@brianlawson3757 But why stop there, someone had to kick the Natives out because they had a showing.

@brianlawson3757

Жыл бұрын

@@Syaniiti That doesn't sound like fun and that's a theme I wouldn't bring to my table. I certainly wouldn't want to play a game with themes of colonization and genocide of an entire people. However, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling because you think being edgy and insensitive makes you cool. It doesn't.

The perfect game system for people who really wanna stay at your house.

@F2t0ny

Жыл бұрын

I get that reference!

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

hey, listen you didn't need to post that why? why did you post that?

@rocksteadyska6933

Жыл бұрын

@@littlegiantj8761 because he wanted to ask who's ready for tomorrow

@bbd121

Жыл бұрын

@@rocksteadyska6933 Or maybe he wants to see who wants to go to the moon?

@zetsugami00

Жыл бұрын

I see what you did there.

I played a bit of Cyberpunk 2020 in the nineties, and one thing that impressed me was the attention to detail about the many martial arts styles that were available. You could have a jujitsu master fight a kung fu master and their specializations mattered.

Really fair review, and echoed many of my criticisms of the game. For a setting that emphasizes style and flair they stripped a lot of the style (I.e. brand recognition) out of it in favor of going with something that feels really generic. My only hope is they have supplements planned to introduce this back into the game.

@danacoleman4007

Жыл бұрын

Supplements?! No! Game companies don't do that

@roarshach13

Жыл бұрын

They actually did! It's a PDF called "the old guns still work." It's a guide on how to convert old guns into cyberpunk red!

@rushmw

Жыл бұрын

@@roarshach13 I have it. It’s not really the same as the Blackhand supplement from 2020, and the conversion method is super clunky imo.

@persephoneunderground845

Жыл бұрын

Seems like the existing streamlined stuff might be a good start for new players, but then we'll need to houserule in modifiers and the best cinematic parts for the "full" experience. Wonder if there are good fan-made rules supplements for this purpose out- I'd be surprised if there's nothing out there.

@Ashwgun

Жыл бұрын

yeah Black Chrome is coming, they teased it on their twitter, illustrations and weapon models, and companies

The pricing thing was the first thing I decided to homebrew out of. For example, I broke down the Fast Food Meal at 10eb: 5eb for the burger by itself, 3eb for fries, 2eb for just a soda. Say you meet up with someone at a burger place, and need to order something to seem like you have another reason to be there. You wouldn’t have to pay 10eb. If you just want fries and a drink for 5eb instead, you can do that. If you play a big guy who usually orders the super sizes because he’s always hungry, it could be 6eb for a bigger burger, 5eb for super fries, and 3eb for a big drink for a meal that actually costs 14eb.

@techno_tuna

Жыл бұрын

I like this method, I think I'm going to try to do similar modifications across the board. Split things up, offer nitty gritty piecemeal pricing (and combat modifiers, for example) for my group since the majority of us have been playing TTRPGs for some time now.

@WilkesBarreWrestling

Жыл бұрын

bad choice

@noahmoreno4122

10 ай бұрын

@@WilkesBarreWrestlingwhy?

@Xingmey

24 күн бұрын

Which is completely pointless consideribg people just write off 300 eb a month for these kind of minor expenses.... i would not charge my players for burgers, fries or whatever.... we are here to play awesome cyberpunk, not bookkeeping sim. Just nice to know what something is worth to give some perspective

RED was my introduction to tabletop Cyberpunk, and my group and I have been having a blast. It was a breath of fresh air for those of us who've only had a chance to play 5e. That said, I am hoping they release updates to the cover and aiming systems. I get the impression that RED is meant to be built on and expanded, so I'd be surprised if these kinds of things don't show up in another year or two.

It sounds like we need a list of Red houserules incorporating the good stuff from the old edition for everyone to use.

love that you took appropriate time to review it. thats what makes your channel so good. keep it up !

27:16 Scott Brown survived the 4th Corporate War and has some nice offices in the city I see. Great video, really can't wait to see more of the Time of the Red; A lot of possibilities Lore wise before the 2077 events kick in.

I just noticed you got yourself a silver play button! Good for you, Seth! Your channel is awesome and you totally deserve that recognition! Yours is one of the few channels that I enjoy enough that when the notification pings on my phone, I make sure to watch whatever just dropped as soon as I get a chance. 😎👍

I've just started GMing a game of red! I was super stoked to find your GM tips, you've been a massive help for me. Awesome to see you review Red finally! In our first session we ran Getting Paid, and when the players tried to search the warehouse online, I told them "You find a real estate listing." Unfortunately they did not take the bait.

@oz_jones

Жыл бұрын

Next time ;)

@sonof7yoshis

Жыл бұрын

NICE me to an I love that cyberpunk red is getting more attention

Great vid Seth Problems with RED and Fixes 1) Layout is horrible... You have to flip to 4 chapters to fully grasp throwing a grenade. Lore chapters are mixed between rules and chapters like Putting the Cyber in Cyberpunk is completely redundant. Solution - Cut the corner out of non-rule chapters for quick flips 2) Lacking Gear Variety... Players begin with too much money and have most of what they want from the gate with little to look forward to. There's not even some obvious ones like a silencer attachment or reflex sight (For Laser Sight We gave it a +1 Hit, but allows targets of any REF to dodge). Solution - If the inventor can invent, the GM should to and make a huge list of everything missing. Also take the effects of exotic brand weapons and allow the to be applied to any weapon for the price difference. Weird the only malarian arm is a pistol for example. Buying excellent quality cyberware should have a minor skill bonus. 3) No Dual Wielding... Easy fix it provides +1 ROF, but a penalty to hit equal to the total d6s of the two weapons. Same applies to firing 2 handed weapons with 1 hand. 4) Armor Ablation Way Too Crunchy... A GM having to ablate every hit and track the ablation of 10 different goons is a pain and is very time consuming. Not to mention added math from melee halfing SP. Solution - Mass Combat Rule, the GM reduces goon armor by 1/5 round up to reduce more and piercing rounds simply add +2 Damage, but armor does not ablate. Math comes out to the same hits to kill with most weapons. 5) Heavy Armor is Terrible... Everyone has 11 SP, why, because any other armor is the wrong choice. Heavy armor penalized you to oblivion, costs a fortune, and takes forever to repair. Solution - Have the REFLEX penalty only apply to head armor. It makes sense and still allows you a penalized dodge vs bullets and the ability to aim. Plus heavy armored fores would be incentified to wear lighter head armor to avoid penalties encouraging head shots. 6) Melee Overpowered... Melee weapons and martial arts ignoring half armor is annoying math and makes them sooo much better than guns. Plus it's weird your BODY does not effect melee weapon damage. Their pricing is weird too, a lead pipe could cost you $100. Solution - Do not ignore half armor, simply add 1 d6 damage to unarmed at ROF 2, or 2d6 at ROF 1. 7) Autofire is a Trap... Do the math of special ammo costs and how high your hit has to be to reliably autofire and it simply isn't worth an x2 skill investment when compared to explosives or someone specing more in damage with single fire. Why? between aimed shots and the way higher crit probability of 5d6 vs 2d6 with a the result multiplied, you'll see the same damage results for single fire vs autofire. Solution - Easy, multiply d6s rolled, not damage, much higher crit probability, still not worth it to me, but viable. 8) Vague Skill Descriptions... Very minor, but a trend in modern gaming. Skills simply need some sample difficulties and tasks. Also demolitions being an x2 skill should let you craft grenades like a tech. Also also, there are some redundant skill bloat like why is there Style and Personal Grooming those should be the same. 9) Character Sameness... Everyone wears the same armor and prioritizes the same stats REF, DEX, WILL/BODY/EMP, TECH/INT, LUCK in that order. Why, REF is firearm hit and has to be at 8 to dodge bullets which is essential to survival. DEX is dodge and also melee hit, and so on. Allow dodging firearms when adjacent. It makes sense too, also allow luck to apply rerolls which are better. Luck maybey could have been called CHARISMA and have taken some of the social skills out of INT in my opinion. Bonus Notes 1) Exploding 10 is a good mechanic, but option is lackluster as 99% of the time it would have succeeded. Allow exploding dice to combo into another attack or skill roll for variety. 2) Raising Roles above 5 is rarely worthwhile. It should be a fixed rate at the medium range. Pro Tip, prioritize Evasion first. 3) Fumble - When a 1 rolls backward and rolls higher than your luck it's a fumble and has a chart effect. Fumble table however award a bonus luck use up to max luck. 4) Netrunning is better, but still slows the game to a crawl as Netrunners get 3 rounds to everyone's 1 and for very little effect at high risk. It's like you have an intense gunfight. The netrunner is going to hack the lights to turn them off and give everyone escape. The whole game pauses for a several turns of Magic the Gathering to maybe turn off a light, and maybe kill the netrunner. 5) Range Tracking - Printed a custom character sheet with range slots to fill in next to weapon. Helps allot. Remember the first 3 range increments is where most combat happens. 3,+3,+6 spaces, the next increment is +12 spaces that's most a battlemat if using The game is still fun. Really glad you got to the layout on this book being my biggest issue. Thanks Seth.

12:00 networks do actually work kinda like this. Usually there’s a local network that then connects to the internet, but sometimes specific networks will be disconnected from the internet as a whole for security reasons. The big thing is that if you can access it legitimately, you also are connected enough to hack it

@benjaminparent4115

Жыл бұрын

Also any connection to a bigger public network like internet are known vector of attack and monitored for that very reasons. Even if a network is connected to the internet you can still have reasons to go to the facility physically to facilitate or speed up hacking, also with remote hacking your attempt can always be twarted by just disconnecting the network from the internet.

In the street scene at about 4:37, the guy on the right is a portrait of Mike Pondsmith, designer of the Cyberpunk games.

I've recently purchased Red after watching the netflix series, and I'm thankful that you put this video out. I think my greastest disapoitment is the weapons. Browsing through the old edition really excited me, cause there were so many different weapons. So to see that they've stripped it down so much honestly hurts a little, since you've lost the brand recognition as you've said. I'm personally planning on just using the old weapon table for this new game for my players, though I'll have to see if that's viable. But despite that, I'm still excited to play. Even if it'll take home homebrewing and house ruling, I'm looking forward to some cyberpunk.

@procrastinatinggamer

Жыл бұрын

Some of the free DLCs have started to fix this. “Old Guns Never Die” gives advice on converting the old 2020 guns into Red, “Twelve Days of Gunmas” brings a bunch of 2020 faves into Red (including the Cityhunter, the fancy revolver from the Scott Brown Incident), “Woodchipper’s Garage” brings in a bunch of heavier weapons. We also have “Black Chrome” right around the corner, which R.Tal dropped a teaser of on Twitter about an hour or two ago that gives me the impression that they’re bringing back more of 2020’s gun porn.

@davoodoo8042

Жыл бұрын

@@procrastinatinggamer You can convert them, but thats just turning them into same generic shlock, maybe with higher quality as baseline which can just be given to generics. I can crack open my cp2020 book and cite benefits and drawbacks of ronin light(rof 30, wa+1, 450eb) and sa-80(rof 20, wa+2, 600eb) have over each other. and why you should never buy ovepriced pos towa type-99. How about the militech trio Dragon, less accuracy than its brothers but without silencer concealable under coat, nice pdw alternative, with decent 6d6-1 dmg at not that insane price 700eb MK IV, more accurate version of dragon and capable of firing both 6.5h(at 6d6-1) and 5.56(5d6) doesnt beat ronin in 5.56 but at 6.5h this gun is amazing and still affordable at 800eb. MK V, unique weapon, slow automatic 6.5 ETE at rof 4, prototype of something you cant just achieve with custom upgrades, nice good 9d6 damage, amazing range for assault rifle at 600m but naturally rather expensive at 1500eb.

@Ashwgun

Жыл бұрын

They have a book coming out fairly soon, Black Chrome, which will increase the kind of gear, uses corp names and models. SO lots of new toys soon.

@theredsoldier26

Жыл бұрын

@@brunojesusguilperez When you have a setting where your style and apperance is so important, not having a finer choice in what weapons you bring just feel like a waste of potential. If I have tabels for what kind of style of clothes I can wear, why is my heavy pistol basically the same as a random ganger I find on the street? It feels generic when there was potential for world building, like Seth says in 25:00.

@davoodoo8042

Жыл бұрын

@@brunojesusguilperez there was always contenders and problem was more pronounced with pistols, i still have no idea why have 9mm or below other than to arm npcs, but npcs need to be armed too. Where i disagree, is the core premise of the game, i had a person get into argument about guns, buy scifi starrior, the absolute garbage at 60 eb and blow at it enough money to make it usable weapon. Why have 10mm when 11mm exists and is not much more expensive, well if i decide to turn my pistol into selective semi automatic 11mm will have too much recoil for me to fire even with cyberarm so i need to go down a caliber, thats a more niche use but its there. Of course everyone could just buy cyborg rifle and run with it, but realistically that doesnt happen, only outliers are extremely expensive guns, yeah sure they wont get used much because cheaper guns do stuff better. But then everyone had their favorites, i thought id never use sternmeyer m95a4 till i had installed 2 on drone, gun who normally is not better than ronin suddenly got nice in massive magazine i could put on machine that cant reload.

There is a single throwaway line somewhere in all the official material that mentions why suppressors are no longer used. Every single modern firearm is now integrally suppressed and caseless, no exceptions. I'm going to have to deep dive all the books and blog posts to figure out where that came from. Found it! It's "From the Mayor's Desk 1.15.21"

As a new player who played the Jumpstart Kit, delved a bit into the 2020 just to fleshout some extra rules that didn't exist in the Kit and then day-1 the Red edition, I agree with most, if not all of your points (except the price categories, I find that in my not-so-good-at-math brain finds this categorising easier and quicker to understand and then roleplay merchants who have raised prices, e.g. instead of 100 eb pistol, they ask 175 for it). But I honestly think that, without having actual experience with 2020 outside of kinda reading it, the best of both worlds is that Red is a trimmed down version that can be easily understood and the players who want that something extra, we can implement almost directly from 2020. Don't want to have universal ammunition? Check the 2020 rules. Want more item / upgrade ideas that are not in the book? Check 2020 etc. Might not be the best writing (especially with the duplicate tables taking up space that could have been these extra stuff), but would be doable more easily than not, from what rules I took for the sessions of Red I run, and we have tons of fun. 2020 would be too heavy to run IMO, based on my party's needs and wants. Thank you for an awesome review!

Sweet! I was hoping that you would review this. Thanks for all your great content Seth.

Been waiting for this for a long time! Thank you Seth, for all you do! Keep up the fantastic work!

I'm so happy your video showed up in my feed again! Haven't seen anything from you in a few months

When I was working on translating this book in Italian I read the Scott Brown callback and I almost fell from my chair.

@lordzaboem

Жыл бұрын

That's exciting!

I want to run an adventure in this system since you made the video on the jumpstart guide, and we are getting closer to finish our long DnD campaign, so this is a great video to gather a great perspective, thank you for the insight and tips.

Thanks for the honest review, I bounced off it after playing and we have stuck with Cyberpunk 2020.

Thanks for this review, it touches on all my own issues and praises for this sytem. In the end I feel like I may just pull portions of red and incorporate them into 2020 along with the homebrewed rules from Interlock Unlimited

@phillee427

Жыл бұрын

I'm kind of in the same boat. As it stands rather something I will definitely not be playing however I will strip mine for any interesting resources. I'll just tweak my 2020 game as well.

@sabershenanigans

Жыл бұрын

That does sound like the best plan: finding that sweet spot somewhere between the overcomplicated rules of C20 and the too-stripped-down approach of CRed, getting the best of both worlds as far as possible.

Thank you Seth! I've been waiting with baited breath for this review and it was worth it!

What timing! I was literally just wondering if you had a video on thos yesterday!

My man thanks for making this review. It gave me some ideas on how to change the rules to make it more action focused in regards to combat I and my player thank you.

Separating thoughts and feelings about different editions/versions of anything is a herculean effort. Different editions of D&D have the same brand name, but at the table can play vastly different to the point of seeming like a different game with an attempt to dress it the same. I'm glad you put in effort to play it through and give yourself time to digest Red rather than an off the cuff review. Your professionalism shows and is appreciated. Does the ingame Scott Brown company compensate your characters for the free marketing you've been providing?

@SSkorkowsky

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, when the river of, "When are going to review Red?!" questions started flooding in and blanketing every single video I posted, starting about 2 milliseconds after the PDF released, it was difficult to explain how no one actually wanted my initial thoughts on it because the old grognard in me was screaming with agony at every single tiny change. I've watched enough old-timers in every other game go on rants about how the new edition is a crime against their childhood, and I promised myself long ago I wasn't going to be like that. I'd give it time to rate it off its own merits and not my rose-colored memory of an edition that I'd house-ruled to the point it wasn't even recognisable (he says casually, as if he doesn't remember his initial and passionate reaction when D&D dared to change editions on him decades ago).

@evilminion4989

Жыл бұрын

​@Seth Skorkowsky cough cough I just figured I'd let ya know I'm feeling the grognard in me as I look through Wizards of the Coast's changes to stuff in the One D&D / update to 5e (or whatever they're calling it now) playtest material... >.> lol. (I've played since 2e, and yeah changes are usually a mixed bag, but if they're substantial enough it just needs to be a new edition and not a half-baked hot fix).

You've got a show'in !!!

Virtual Light and All Tomorrow's Parties are my favourite full novels from Gibson, and the way he writes about the Bridge in both is why.

@SSkorkowsky

Жыл бұрын

Years back I was working a job that included a ton of data-entry. It was mind-numbing work and I hadn't discovered Audible yet. So I had 4-5 audiobooks I'd cycle through as background noise. It's kind of like when I do laundry I put in a movie I've seen countless times. It was great because there were times I'd need to focus my attention on work and might stop listening to the book for a while, but when I turned my mind back to it, I automatically knew where I was. Among them was Virtual Light read by Frank Muller (also my favorite narrator). Over the years, (according to my iPod) I listened to that book over 20 times.

for what is worth Scott Brown is a cannon for all games our group play. from call of cthulhu to Delta green to traveller. And we will be playing some Dungeon Crawl Classics sometime and Scott Brown will be there too... Thanks for the excellent content Seth.

When I run cp red I used the old blackhand streetweapons guide to jury rig a bunch more weapons into the game and that was a huge game changer in my game, especially coming from playing 2020 a fair bit.

@jaredtalksdungeons1402

5 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate? Sounds awesome.

@dicewrites

5 ай бұрын

@@jaredtalksdungeons1402 I basically threw out all the cyberpunk red weapons and wholesale use the street weapons guide. I wasn't happy with the conversion rules put out so I just don't use them. sometimes there are tweaks made for balance but otherwise i don't change anything

Great video, as always! Funny thing - I've just finished reviewing CP_RED myself and I'm super happy to see all the conclusions I've done in the video of a person I presume to be one of the greatest TTRPG bloggers! My and my team"s takes on CP_RED also shown that game id far less deadly, then 2020. Almost up to the DND standards... looking forward to trying out your suggestion with damage rerolls for good to-hot rolls!

Thank you! I was really waiting for this review to come out :D

This is SO DAMN timely, I'm getting ready to play my first ever game of Cyberpunk tomorrow, I sent this to my DM to review. Thanks alot!

@Robin_Robout

Жыл бұрын

Same here man, what a coincidence huh?

Was already looking forward to this review! ❤‍🔥

Great review Seth. Main reason I even gave Cyberpunk a hard look was your first 2020 review and also 2077 pulling me in. I owe a lot to you in this mate. I still prefer people to your original Jumpstart Kit review when asked about it. Thank you.

Haven't played 2020 but as someone who has been running a CPR game for about a year, I tend to agree with the complaints. I tend to find that players do tend to just stand around shooting at the enemy rather than acting like they're in a John Woo movie. Hopefully we'll get some DLC to alter that.

@hamawang

Жыл бұрын

I think the game is made to cause attrition to pcs rather than everything having immediate and deadly consequences. Attrition favours a tank and spank style of gameplay. If you know the enemy might cause serious damage, even straight out kill you if they get to do their thing, you will be more likely to apply ambushes and, in a straight up combat scenario, apply tactics to take them out as fast as possible, including taking extra Actions and using multiple weapons etc. I'm doubtful if this can be fixed without redesigning the whole Combat System around the idea that everything should have great immediate effect or very dangerous effect over one to two rounds. I think dropping hp to around 20 max would be one way to do it.

@hamawang

Жыл бұрын

Would also change to move + Action to just having the ability to take multiple actions per turn, moves or otherwise and giving a negative penalty for taking more than two.

@procrastinatinggamer

Жыл бұрын

Could also lean into destructible terrain - when a player ducks down behind a kitchen counter or something, have the bad guys fire at where they were trying to shoot them through the cover. The game mechanics don’t let you deal damage with the same shot that finally breaks the cover but the NPCs don’t know that. From their in-universe perspective they don’t notice the change in initiative rounds. And, of course, as Raymond Holt once said; “Do you know what else is interesting? *Grenades*.” The rules for throwing them got buried in the grappling rules (same mechanics whether you’re throwing a grenade or some Maelstrom gonk) but I would let them be lobbed over cover as a called shot.

@verityverri6506

Жыл бұрын

You are not throwing enough grenades then. That, hold action and autofire are the things that will make character move a lot. It is perfectly viable and legal to hold your action and shoot when someone peeks out of cover to shoot (That's one reason why initiative matters SO MUCH, since you can only hold until the end of the turn)

@verityverri6506

Жыл бұрын

@@procrastinatinggamer Grenades will deal full damage to you if they blast your cover, if I'm not mistaken. And they are cheap. ;)

The video I've been looking for so long!!! Thank you Seth!!!

Great video and analysis Seth! Really excited to play RED

This is the best RPG review I've ever read or watched. I was a huge Cyberpunk 2020 fan and Red has had me excited since it was announced. I am disappointed by it, though. I think it's got great potential but it needs a serious amount of work to become what it should. Thanks for the great, great content, Seth!

perfect timing I was just working on learning the system to start DMing you gave some great suggestions I think I'll look into 2020 for so inspiration for some more rule of cool to bring in for homerules

Great review, love your content Seth🙌

Yet another amazing, peerless and free video. Count your blessings everyone.

Thanks Jack, I mean Seth! Another great review. It looks like we will be sticking with 2020 but adding a few things like netrunning from Red.

Seth I didn't realize you had joined the GCN! It was a pleasant surprise seeing you on the traveler game! Great review!

@bananapants76

Жыл бұрын

Would love to see him run Them through cyberpunk in stead.❤ also he should be hired as Consultant for the “hardcore” mode of cyberpunk.. were all the things he mentions here Can be added in if wanted. I Think that would be an awesome edition to the game

Thanks for getting me and my friends into cyberpunk! We've been playing red since it came out, lots of fun. I'm thinking about getting deep space from 2020 to spice up some games, hope you have a review for it!

Glad to hear George is running again. Informative video.

I always smile when I see developers and designers giving props to the creators who promote or review their stuff. The fact that Scott Brown is an easter egg in the lore of the game now is great. Reminds me of another example I saw of a content creator doing a Let's Play style video of a game called Rogue Tower. Without getting into too much detail, part of the game features a level of procedural generation and card draw, being a rogue-like. The developer was in the livestream where the player went through an entire successful run without a specific item spawning, leaving the player confused about a card pick he'd made that required said item. So when the game officially launched (the player was using a developer key version), it included a Steam achievement punnily referencing both the streamer and the incident.

Been looking forward to this review as I'm running my first session of the Jumpstart kit for Halloween this year. I ran a mini session 0/combat test the other day and my players (all DnD players except when I force a new system on them) ate it up, many of them are already talking about player concepts based more on skills than roles which I think is dope. I can see how older players used to the crunch of 2020 can be disappointed by the streamlined approach of Red but as a new group coming in for the first time I think it'll help for a time at least. Perhaps later when Black Chrome or other supplements come out we'll see an increase in item complexity which I agree could add a lot to the game.

This is the kind of review I want. Can't tell you anything more than "keep it up"!

Hey Seth s big Thank you for the review of CP Red. I know you are a busy guy and I really appreciate you taking time and giving a awesome review of this RPG.

This review is bang on, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really was disappointed by the lack of branding, in a world about brands (corps) being everywhere

Nice video, I was waiting for your opinion for a long time! And just in time, tomorrow I am GMing a new campaign using this rulebook and setting!

There is an errata for the auto fire DV's. They updated the pdf and also have a link to it on their site.

Excellent! I hope this means more Cyberpunk content on the channel.

So in other words ....we need Cyberpunk Red Second Edition. Clean up the errata, re-edit the information into a cleaner format, and update combat and the market like Seth mentioned. Basically I think the game will need a major over haul that would just make it a new edition all together, but that's just me. I have both CP 2020 and Red. Its great to see a new edition of CP come out but I have much of the same concerns that Seth has. Many of the gamers around me are seasoned and trying to tell someone there is no bonuses or penalties for prone shooting, aiming etc will not sit well with them. In addition, Jon Jon The Wise has a great KZread page devoted to Cyberpunk. From what I have seen, I would call him very 'pro" cyberpunk with little criticisms of the new game. He does get interviews with R Talsorian game designers which is cool and provides good insight into some of the questionable game design choices that were made. However, I really like Seth's counter points and criticisms of the game. It provides some much needed constructive criticism and praise for the game. With all that said, I still want to play the game.

@lordzaboem

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Well, if one looks at the errata document for Red, it seems like there's a lot. By page count, there has been actually more errata to D&D 5e Players Handbook which is a shorter book to begin with. Wizards of the Coast didn't rush out a new edition two years into the print run of 5e, and I see little reason for R Talsorian to do that now.

@robman732

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@@lordzaboem It would be nice if RT Games produced a new book with cleaned up errata. November 2022 marks two years since CP Red was released, so RT Games should have plenty of feedback to see what errata needs to be fixed etc. After all, lees errata is less arguing, less confusing rules and it helps make the game go quicker. It is funny how this game has been out for two years but has been completely overshadowed by their computer spinoff Cyberpunk 2077. Maybe R Talsorian needs to hop on the band wagon and make a book version of Cyberpunk 2077 after all.

@Ashwgun

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Nah, they have already incorporated the errata and there is tons of supplements out and more coming(Gear Book)

A masterpiece as always, good review Seth.

Oh! 2 Reviews at the same time! Oh Seth, you spoil us :D So Grateful for Jack the NPC as well, helps to get those suggestions.

Seth ! Right when I was tempted to launch a Cyberpunk Red game. Damn. Thank you for the video !

Fantastic review with truly excellent constructive feedback from someone that clearly knows and loves the game :-)

Thx again for another great and insightful video Seth !

Been looking forward to this! Kind of stuck in a rut between wanting to start a game of RED, Call of Cthulhu, or D&D with my gaming group. I was reading through the RED core rulebook, and I was already planning on merging 2020 rules into RED to fill in the gaps they left out or simplified too much. The economy they set up is made for bartering btw, at least from an article written by the designer of the economic system. It assumes that people aren't carrying eddies anymore, but are trading goods. So you trade an everyday item for an everyday item, and stuff like that. However, your idea of ranging prices is something I believe the designer said to go for in a Q&A, as while the prices are made for bartering, that doesn't mean fixers and vendors won't upcharge. The weapon layout I 100% agree with. I think I'm going to overhaul the RED weapon descriptions and combine it with 2020 stuff (concealability, customizability, etc.). Players can keep track of that stuff when they write down what their weapons do. Same thing with the modifiers for running while shooting and stuff. I plan to make a cheat sheet adding those back in. Thanks for some more ideas to include at my table based on the homebrew rules you guys are doing!

Awesome I’ve been getting into it and we’ll your the only one I know who plays thanks for reviewing it.

Love your content! Sounds like you got an audio upgrade! Voice sounds very crisp.

really glad to read that George began running you again. awesome stuff 😆

Saw the Scott Brown logo in the background. Nice, chuum. Professional review. With a Humble Bundle of the game up now I wanted to check it out before getting it. I'll be doing that now.

Personal thoughts: I totally agree the lack of some shooting mecanics, as well as a full crafting system, witch is something that i love at any worldbulding heavy TTRPG. But the generalization of the guns and setting those standart monopoly like prices isn't That bad these days if you think of: By the year the jumpstart kit was announced, some friends and I began to hype the Cyberpunk TTRPG franchise and engaged to read the 2020 rule book. We were a bit more young and unexperienced around tactic games mechanics and had a hell of a headache trying to interpret these rules. After reading RED I finally get the purpose of each of these editions based on the time they were developed. While 2020 catched the old school era of TTRPG with heavily mechanic based games, RED is dealing now with a new generation of players, more interested in entering this world by narrative means rather than the game aspects (both are great and appreciated, I just see the shift of interest regarding my fellow players). With that been said, RED mechanics are more focused to welcome new players rather than refresh the Old Guard's Nostalgia. That is why they only give detailed info about the Cyberware and Gear at the Economy section instead of the beginning, because the first pages were designed to simplify the world for those are coming fresh. Besides, it is done without hurting one of the mains proposals of the Cyberpunk Combat System, Friday Night Firefight (I'll be calling FNF), that is making every fight painful and every blade or bullet deadly, because no sane citizen would enjoy starting a gunfight. And, please, don't get me wrong; I've played TT games with heavily mechanic based economy regarding different prices and Looter Shooter Videogames, which try to state the crucial difference between to weapons of the same type but different manufacturers or just different stats. These thing do make a difference, but only at it's respective universes and for it's respective games' proposals. For RED, it is enough for a fresh player to know only what is an auto rifle and what is a shotgun, what is cheap and what is efficient, leaving the worldbulding labels for those who want a deeper dive in night city at later games. For storytelling purposes, I like to think that, at the Time of the Red, when the the traditional corporations failed, standart weapons don't make a difference anymore, ans the default prices of the market only represent the broken post-colapse economy. And that doesn't mean all mythic weapons are gone; that'a why those Christmas free DLCs R. Talsorian Games are so important. They didn't bring back Militech Crusher, Kendachi Dragon or Nomad Pneumatic Weapon just as Exotic weapons, those are relics from the past, and besides their own deal being "just" standart weapons with diffrent mechanics, it already tells us how the 2020s were the golden yeara for night city and gun manufacturing was pretty much diffrent than how the Neocorporations or Scavenger Techies. Speaking of which, this generalization of weapons was made specially so that they could insert a role ability able to not just fabricate itens into the game, but inventing brand new thing into the world. Still miss the suppressor though, sneaking like solid snake and gunning the boosters one by one, and I hope that 2023 Christmas DLC include crazy yet essencial gun mods, like they did with Gunmas and Cybermas (which, if you haven't read yet, hop on Talsorian's website right now and take a look, it is free and you can now pump out of your cyberarm a goddamn chainsaw) Finally, a message for the Old Guard: I hope y'all don't get mad at some young TTRPG Player and also Know I appreciate your experiences with this beloved hobbie. I learned to love combat tactis and character optimization, the game aspecta of the roleplay without compromising the story, and your war game wisdom many times served as a lighthouse when trying new game systems or jusr bulding up my combos. This text isn't about generation confict, is just a generation gap; I don't think they are making many more TTRPG like before, but don't think is much of an issue, just different game proposals; some may sound coherent or nor, and some we may like or not. There are things in RED's FNF that upset me, like making dual wielding useless. I can't chrome uo my both arms and go like wolverine into my enemies, and I would love to know your thoughts about homebrewing these gaps at the game. Talsorian itself encourages players to do it and let's get in mind that this edition is like 2 years old. If you manege to read untill here, I hope you have a wonderful day, and remember to stay hydrated. Never fade away, choom!

Oh sick! So excited for this interview!

hey!1!!! i was wondering where this was a couple days ago trying to decide about this game. Thanks for the timely review

Great review Seth. I agree there is some clunkiness to the rulebook and system, and yet I always find myself coming back to Night City! The lore is incredible and I feel I'm able to run sessions where the players and I really get immersed in the dark future that the book portrays.

I...literally was just looking up videos about this game system, I even checked your channel to see your thoughts about it and I watched the Jump Start Guide and The Apartment videos like...two days ago. I can't believe this just dropped, haha.

Thank you again for another enjoyable video, Seth. God Bless.

I really appreciate your reviews. It was your series on Traveller that lead me to give the game a shot, while this review makes me think Red isn't quite the game for me. In both cases, the videos are well worth the time.

Wow, so soon after I talked to you about your opinions you make the video. One thing we didn't discuss last time that absolutely became the deal breaker for me is what I call "RuneScape combat" where people just stand there rolling dice against each other. that table you pointed out made 2020 actually dynamic. working class skills and the new netrunning in will probably be my end goal for my next campaign when my vampire 20th anniversary (another case where the old system won out despite jank) ends

What a day. New Avantasia album, AND a new Seth Skorkowsky video.

I just discovered your channel a couple weeks ago, and was wondering where in the heck the review for Red was on it. Boom, here it is! Red is going to be my first cyberpunk TTRPG edition, frankly the criticism on the combat system has me a bit shook. But maybe it’ll encourage me to buy the old rule books too and maybe I’d prefer one of those. Not sure 🤔 Either way, excellent review. I’ll need to rewatch it a few more times I think as I learn more and more about it

could you do a how-to series detailing some of the specifics of combat and netrunning? i'm a new player and your style is very easy to understand and apply. thanks seth!

@phillee427

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There is a Facebook group that will help you out. It breaks down cyberpunk red piece by piece.

i loved this review and hope Mike will take this in

Hype I’ve been waiting for this vid to drop 🎉

Where did Jack get those cool sunglasses? He always has such wonderful costumes and backgrounds.

Loved the review. I completely agree about the book's layout. I made two changes and the players loved combat. All I had to do was ignore RAW and treat cover and being prone like a modifier (-1 to hit for light, -2 for cover, -4 for improved), and tighten up shotguns.

@bananapants76

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Yeah im gonna make a +3 vs -3 House rule . Full cover -3 to hit from or be hit. Half cover is +2/- 2. Going prone is +1/-1 . Easy , but gives enough feel and crunch. Ad to and Change the drug rules. In raw there is no reason to even use them as you will get addicted after first try , way to harsh as general rule! Yes yes medtech I know… Autofire needs to be tweaked but that’s simple enough. Again just subtract 3 or ad 3 to the DV will most likely work. I’m on the fence with shotguns.. but again a -3/+3 damage vs range buff could fix it( perhaps even a whole D6)

The valentines day "dlc" they added was pretty great. Feels more like a gig generator than speed dating which I'm totally ok with

Scott Brown. Proof of your success Seth. Happiest holidays.

I agree on all of your criticisms, particularly of the lack of weapon tables. As someone who loves binging on long intricate item lists for RPGs and salivating over every little item, seeing it so stripped down was disheartening, although I get it was probably for ease of access to new players. I even wrote out a full set of tables converting every weapon in the video game into the Red rules just to satisfy my list obsession. That said, RTG's website has been releasing a lot of small free DLC for it, some of which introduces specific items and weapons. Hopefully we'll see more along those lines, especially with them announcing a couple new chromebooks (although how they're described they'll be more for lore and mechanics than for lists of items).

The most damning praise ever heard is “we loved the older edition so much that when we came to this game, the changes made just made us stop and hesitate on whether to play the new edition.”

Thanks Seth. Any chance of you posting house rules yall use? I loved that feature of your review/overview in Travaller. Also, way to go George. I hope Seth is as good with you now as I have seen him be on Glass Cannon.

@FuriousJorge

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hehe, I often say that Seth is a great GM and terrible player, but that's not really true anymore. He is a great player, when he doesn't BOMBSHELL!

@oz_jones

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@@FuriousJorge never go full BOMBSHELL

Thanks for the review Seth. On the note of cyberpunk systems, Kevin Crawford, the creator of de *WN series is working on a cyberpunk system called "Nets Without Number". He showed some snippets and I think I will use his system for cyberpunk games.

Yes!!!! Been waiting for this video ever since the game first came out!!!!

Also: the visor you're wearing is AMAZING!!!!!

Neat, me and my friends started a campaign with this system a few weeks ago and have been having a blast.

I'm waiting for the Seth's guide to homebrewing. I personally enjoy a lot of the ideas that you want to implement into it and I'd love to have it in an easy print format LOL or you could create your own adventure with some of your own rules and sell it ,what kind of mad Men would do anything like that lol.

Great review. I hope at some point you'll be able to take a look at The Witcher trpg that RTG made, especially because skill-based IP rewards are present there and my group used that to great effect, essentially specializing themselves over time. Really made some amazing roleplay. It also remediates your issue with Critical Hits - as the number difference between the attack and defending roll dictates how grievous the injury is. One thing I did notice is that at several points in the review (and you can chalk this up to RTG's editing and formatting) is that you had complaints about things which were explained later on. Especially shotguns. Birdshot rules are different than slugs. The 'ridiculous range' for slugs is about on par to how slug shells work IRL, and the shell mechanic /is/ limited in range, maybe too much so, but they are two distinctly different types of ammo.

IIRC the starting empathy package was fixed in the newest editions of RED in print and digital formats. Errata was released to address it.

I've been waiting for this video for a year.

😍. Thanks Seth! Looking forward to play cyberpunk with my group

I'm geting into cyberpunk just recently and your reviews helped me to choose Cyberpunk 2020. After playing a lot of D&D 5e, it will be refreshing to play a more nuanced and deadly system. I used to play Dark Heresy 2nd ed., so some of the mechanics are familiar, nostalgic even, though I do find the Cyberpunk 2020 rules superior. I will use the modded netrunning system you recommended as well. Can't wait for my first session.

Great review! I think you may have a first printing of the book and PDF, because the portion you show for "How You Get Your Stuff" on pp 117 for the first five characters are different in my copy (second print). The Rockerboy, Solo, Netrunner, Tech and Medtech have the same humanity loss, but the EMP subtraction for each are -1, -2, -2, -2, and -2 respectively. They do have an errata document on the website, but I hate referring to errata, so I was lucky I got a second printing since all the first printings were sold out.

@lordzaboem

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Oh yeah, I could tell from Seth's description of autofire that he's reviewing a first printing. To be fair, he's reviewing the book he has, not the book he doesn't have.