A fitting demonstration of the fact that shapers are really not obsolete. Not like some would claim, anyway.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

You're right.

I have done dovetails both with rotary cutters on the mill and lathe type cutters on my milling machine's slotting head. The slotting head acts like a vertical shaper. One more thing Starrett makes sets of very nice dovetail measuring micrometers. I bought one recently for 90° angles.

@Rustinox

6 ай бұрын

Nice. Thanks.

I love that "vice you didn't have". 👍😎

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Thanks.

Fantastic demonstration. I really enjoyed the simple set up . The explanation of what angles to grind the tool and using the straight edge and dial indicator were invaluable.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry.

I just happen to need to cut a dovetail but couldn't position my clapper box avoid digging into the part. I used it as an excuse to make a dovetail cutter on my lathe.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

No need of excuses. Have fun with it.

The slo-mo section was particularly enjoyable!

@Rustinox

6 ай бұрын

Thanks.

The more I watch your excellent videos, the more I want a shaper!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Go for it.

Brilliant presentation, and subject.

@Rustinox

7 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Tool holders for the quick change tool post! Jeez, ya had me with working with a shaper. Neat video!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thank you Michel for an entertaining and informative explanation on how dovetails can be machined accurately on the shaper. I learned so much from this video, especially how much I crave having a shaper. Sadly no room 😢

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew.

Great tips!!! Thanks!!! 🎉🎉🎉

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

great video production/discussion/demonstration/build…thanks for sharing your experience

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Chuck.

One of your best Michel, great to reference

@Rustinox

Ай бұрын

Thanks. Feel free :)

@mikebryan544

Ай бұрын

I think the hardest part is roughing the centre part not sure best way like use parting tool and go ti depth in each section or rough out a vee as you did, i will try both

I need one of those vices that you don't have. So much easier to move around.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

They are very lightweight :)

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the KZread video of the year. Secret weapons, Heavy Vise throwing contest (because I need to get rid of all mine. I don't want to be a p***y) and lots of great special effects, laughter and learning. Damn I like the finish that shaper makes. Great video Michel. Gilles

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gilles.

I really love shaper videos. Maybe I should make more of them. Really a well done video, thanks for sharing!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Noel.

Great video rusty, keep'um coming..

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Will do.

"Enlightening", enjoyed watching; thanks!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John.

Well done as usual.

@Rustinox

5 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Good video, nice explanation of the setup.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Michel, thanks for the video, this was one I’ve been waiting for. I saved it for future reference.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Mark.

Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Will do.

As always, a well filmed and edited entertaining video. Thanks!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stefan.

It's just amazing how versatile the shaper is, I guess you could have machined a bit more out and made room for a gib strip, but that's only if you wanted to! best wishes Rusti, cheers, Dave

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

On a shaper you can make whatever you want, Dave. Just do it :)

@plainnpretty

Жыл бұрын

I like seeing shaper work. I enjoy your videos thanks for sharing them.

Information plus entertainment. Ideal! 👍

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Beautifully explained and executed. I wish I had a shaper 😢.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

One day maybe...

Love the picture-in-picture 12 minutes in! 👍 🇬🇧

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. That's easy to do.

Not only technically and practically informative, but very engaging and witty presentation. Very enjoyable, thank you!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@samrodian919

Жыл бұрын

Not sure I agree with you. Technically maybe not but the set up was certainly informative and I love Michel's sense of humour!

Thank you Michael and whoever that other bozo was that said your measurements wouldn't work. Now having made that part maybe you need to dream up a use for it. Perhaps a universal vertical slide for the lathe or the mill. Seems a pity to waste a perfectly good piece of steel with a 55° dovetail cut in it. Just a suggestion from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊️🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪👍.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Well, for the moment I don't have any use of it.

Thanks for another great video! I learn something new every time I watch you. Now that you've pointed it out, I see that the female part of a dovetail needs to be taller than the male. Of course it does; that makes perfect sense! It's a great example of something that just wouldn't have occurred to me if someone with more experience hadn't pointed it out. ...or until I tried to make one for the first time and wondered why my dovetail didn't fit and slide like it was 'supposed' to. Thank you again! 😊

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

While doing it, you will quickly figure it out :)

Hi Michel, great video, some great editting as well. I particularly enjoyed seeing and hearing the slowed down cuts on the shaper 👌👌👌. Very enjoyable to watch, good luck from Spain!!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks David.

Excellent - many thanks. These are explanations I can follow :)

You certainly have an analytical mind, many of your methods appear simple(after you have figured it all out.) I always get an education when watching your videos. As you always respond to my comments, this has been my pleasure. Thank You

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Just step by step. And it works.

really great vid again (love the comedy)🤣

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

eyup Michel Nice one I have to make a miniature dovetail soon, not decided on Mill or shaper yet, or a i may use a file🤣🤣🤔🤔👍👍👍👍👍👍 see you next time Kev uk

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

It's your choice, Kev.

Nice work, Rustinox. Tony

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony.

GREAT JOB ,THANKS KIMBER

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kimber.

You are always a treat to watch...absolutely love your sense of humor! Very nice example of making do with what you have. Amazing things can be done with the simplest of tools. Cheers from Canada p.s.-Happy St. Patricks Day

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks .

i dont subscribe to channels but ur no nonsense aproch is awesome

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul.

If My Sammie were here, she would have loved this one for sure. She always loved your since of humor and talents. After watching mr. Pete's videos a early this month on tool post ( a 2 parter vid) and showing dial indicators holders adapted to tool post, I like that concept. Had a buddy 3D print me up a few, but by fault on my part, I sent him the files for AXA not B type. So I now 5 AXA one to give away 😞. Since my shaper is still in pieces, will have to do on my mill as soon as I get in Randy Richards dove tail cutters 🙂. This was awesome Michel, and fill Sammie is watching and agreeing as well. Ole Bear in cold TX,,,burrrrrr!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words, Bear.

Perfect job for a shaper, always enjoy seeing a shaper ar work.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Thanks.

Wow!!! Im sure that i need have a shaper !!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

I think so too :)

Another GREAT shaper class....A+....Your the man when it comes to shaper work....Always look forward to your videos...Thank you From the U.S.A. Phil..

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil.

Thanks for the video. Keep more shaper projects coming!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

That's the plan.

Michel, another informative and entertaining video. The shaper is such a versatile tool to have, your explanations and blackboard drawing are very helpful to illustrate the proper fit of a dovetail. Thank you

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill.

That's a good idea. When I was younger I tried to do that on a milling machine and made a mess of it.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Making a mess is just part of the proces.

Well done Michel. Some day maybe I will have a shaper.🔧⚒🔩

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

In two years... :)

This explanation is amazingly complete and concise. Thank you so much for all the effort you must have expended to teach us how along with the added humor that transcends all native languages (I especially like the pussy joke) 👍👍😎👍👍 One day I hope to find a shaper to add to the arsenal of metal cutting tools in my shed.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Joel. I'm sure one day you will find a shaper.

Very instructive, Rusty, and funny as well !

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Good educational video Michel. Just shows how versatile a shaper can be. Regards. Steve.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

On a shaper you can make whatever you want.

Very nice!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thanks! Good job! I would love to visit your shop and enjoy a bit of wine, or coffee or tea or whatever!

@Rustinox

6 ай бұрын

Thanks.

A great lesson Michel, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really enjoyed the slow motion footage of the shaper in action. I really like this tool and hope to buy one some day.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Denis. Go for it.

Great Video and fantastic explanation of the complex subject of managing the angles of the cutter and clapper box.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Fred.

Excellent work and video! Very well explained! Regards.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. I learn something every time I watch one. Thanks from Alaska!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

Great video. I just picked up an Atlas Shaper. Your videos are very educational. Thanks for sharing.

@Rustinox

8 ай бұрын

That's nice. Have fun with it.

Excellent video very well explained and very well filmed.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John.

Hi Michel ☺ this was great, and explaned quite simply . This just goes to show we don't need to over complicate things to end up whith a good result. Thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart.

Nice tips! Thanks

@jdmccorful

Жыл бұрын

Soon Don, soon.

@donmadere4237

Жыл бұрын

@@jdmccorful not sure on that Steve does things on his own timeline!

@jdmccorful

Жыл бұрын

@@donmadere4237 I would have never guessed!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I’m thinking about making toolholders on the shaper! Great video, O and the gib you made fits perfectly! Thanks Rusty!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

That's good news, Chris. Thanks for letting me know.

Great video Michel, that shaper requires good deal of patience, but it is a bit relaxing to watch. Enjoyed the vide, take care!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Well, it doesn't take more thime than doing it on the mill.

Hi Michel, Well Done ! Enjoyed and was taking notes. ATB....Dean

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dean.

Nice one! 👍

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom.

I think the shaper I'd the better choice for the dovetail Shapers tend to cut very straight A milling machine leave always circular scratches in the workpiece

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

You're right, Martin.

nice work well done

@Rustinox

8 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Nice outcome Rusti 👍, I intend to remake the compound for my little homemade Lathe in the coming months now that I have a mill, but alas, it will be with dovetail cutters

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Do with what you have and be happy with it.

@MyMiniHomeWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

@@Rustinox Will do 👍

Impressive thank you

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Welcome.

Highly enjoyable video. Presumably you would chamfer, radius or break edge the tip of the included angle on the female part to avoid interference ( and also to make fitment easier). Much in the same way as a brake disc register diameter has a sharper radius at its root than that of the hub against which it lies flat.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard. Breaking the corners is indeed the way to go.

Thank you. This was both informative and very amusing. "So it isn't possible. Goodbye. Wait..." Very funny. As you were setting up the tool slide angle I was wondering why you weren't hogging out the waste first. In order to avoid interference between the tool and clamps might I suggest making some of Harold Hall's low profile clamps.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Setting the angle first saves me a setup. Because I need to install the original part to copy the angle.

🎉🎉thank you

@Rustinox

8 ай бұрын

My pleasure.

Well done. This is one of the jobs I'd preferrably do on a shaper (cost of a profile mill aside), because the surface roughness is in line with the movement which the piece would see in action. Therefor (in my brain, at least), it should wear less and produce less friction than the semicircle pattern a mill would leave.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

And the surface finishis much better than on the mill.

Great video Rusti, before I make my lathe tool holders (how did you know?), I need to make myself some rails and clamping fixtures etc. Thanks for the very useful video! Cheers, Jon

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Well, I didn't know...

Hi Michel, great to see that. Yes a mill could be quicker but how often do you have the right cutter? Tooling is the killer on the mill if you don't have a customer to pay for it. Having both machines gives so many options. The fit on your new part was spot on. Cheers

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the milling machine will do it faster.

Hahaha... i like this guy

@Rustinox

4 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Using pins that are the correct diameter to suit the angle, allows the same measurement to be used for each part providing the deepest depth is used for the calculation. For 55 degrees the ideal pin diameter is 36.5% of the depth of the deepest dovetail. For other dovetail angles 60 degrees is 1/3rd of the depth & 45 degrees is 41% of the depth.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

That's very interesting information. Thanks.

@machinists-shortcuts

Жыл бұрын

@@Rustinox No problem hope it helps one day. There is a full explanation in my video " no trig matching dovetails?? "

@richardjones-sl2zd

Жыл бұрын

@@machinists-shortcuts For fun, I did the math. So further to your excellent no trig video, the ratio of the pin diameter to depth is equal to the cosine of the dovetail angle divided by ( 1 + cosine of that angle).

@machinists-shortcuts

Жыл бұрын

@@richardjones-sl2zd That all works out to my calculations too. I will add your simplified formula to my video description for others to use if that is OK.

@richardjones-sl2zd

Жыл бұрын

@@machinists-shortcuts I would be honored.

nettes video zu schwalbenschwanzführungen. mir fehlt hier aber wie beim originalteil die einstellleiste. die höchste präzision hilft nichts wenn der verschleiß kommt und man nicht nachstellen kann. zur präzision sei noch gesagt, dass das ausgangsmaterial bzw die parrallelität des ausgangsmaterials entscheidend ist für den schwalbenschwanz. jede minimale abweichung übernimmt man wenn man das werkstück ausspannt und umdreht. präziser wird es wenn man es tatsächlich eingespannt lässt und für seite 2 den hobelkopf auf die andere seite schwenkt. einstellen kann man ihn dann mit einem winkelendmaß. ist auch zu empfehlen bei seite 1, da man ja einen fixen winkel erreichen will und nicht irgend ne krumme zahl, die sehr schlecht reproduzierbar ist.

@Rustinox

Ай бұрын

The angle of this dove tail is not 60° (more or less 55°) so, to reset the same angle to the other side with the tool slide is very difficult. The methode I used (with the fence) is repeatable and works very well.

the hunger gets bigger and bigger when I see the shaper working again. I'm still rebuilding. question how long is the oil collection tray at the back of the ram slide

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

On my machine it's 180mm. It's the original one.

@DoMetalStuff

Жыл бұрын

@@Rustinox thanks Michel. now i can make it as well. Gr Dominic

How about straight slotting inside can you make a blog sir thanks nice job

@Rustinox

15 күн бұрын

I showed this in my gear cutting series.

I have only ever had two mills, a rong fu & now a clone. I only ever made the tool holders using a cheap dove tail cutter from china, I used the same idea as you did, rough out the centres and then the angles: only I cheated took the tool post from the lathe and test fitted it when I did the cuts. Not smart enough for the measuring .... Good onya

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely nothing wrong with test fitting.

Maybe I need a shaper. 🤔

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Could well be :)

Before watching this video. Yes I need to cut some dovetails. Need to make some tools for the lathe.

@Engineerd3d

Жыл бұрын

Ok watched the video. Yes! Very informative!

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Is there a reason to not do the rough cutting with a milling machine if you have access to one?

@Rustinox

2 ай бұрын

Rouching is much faster on the shaper. Plus, it saves me a setup.

Like TOT says, The only thing you can't make with a shaper is a profit. lol

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

The typical statement made by people who doesn't know how to operate a shaper :)

@daveunderwood6498

Жыл бұрын

@@Rustinox It doesn't say much for you being a machinist and not knowing This Old Tony and also his sense of humor. You could learn something...but then again, probably not.

@Rustinox

Жыл бұрын

@@daveunderwood6498 I like Tot very much. He has a fantastic channel. The problem is that people keep repeating that shapers are slow. I've prooven several times on my channel that they aren't.

Need a job shepar machine

@Rustinox

10 ай бұрын

One day you will find one. For sure.