So what are you ok seeing cut for the show?

@travisyanker7298

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Greene so which Forsaken would you cut/who would you combine?

@DanielGreeneReviews

6 жыл бұрын

Keep Demondred, Ishamael (Increase his role even), Ravin, Lanfear, and Moghedien. Add maybe one or two more, then give the rests BEST character lines to those still in.

@travisyanker7298

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Greene what if you just kept aginor and balthamel dead? You kill be’la quick anyway Boom you’re down to 9 right there I think you could probably give mesaana and graendals role to mogheddien. I think it’d be tough to get rid of sammael

@Saidor570

6 жыл бұрын

It's funny because I find most of the male forsaken were useless compared to female ones. So in my point of view, I would rather put Graendal, Mesaana and Semirhage for example. Demandred and Ishamael/Moridin are the most developed male forsaken and the most threatening. Thirteen main villains seem 'big' for a tv show, even for a long one. However, I think suppress half of them is too much, maybe keeping ten of them is sufficient.

@CptRennier

6 жыл бұрын

I would be keen to see a lot of the Wonder Girls chilling at the traveling circus, and and Matt's road trip with them thereafter. It's a nice background detail to see the the group help multiple main characters, but it takes so much time, and mostly spins a lot of wheels to allow other characters to get to various places they need to be in.

A sentence that MUST be on the series: "the dress that your are wearing is green."

@cel517

2 жыл бұрын

Awe man I was just rereading this chapter and it got me teary eyed

@ThatPash

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@rodrigalvezi2574

2 жыл бұрын

Verin is the most crucial aes sedai in the hole battle against the shadow and you cant prove me wrong

Cut most of the braid tugging and skirt smoothing and you've saved about a season and a half ...

@stawrscreem

5 жыл бұрын

If I could, i'd cross my arms underneath my breasts and sniff. Pointedly!

@caralawrence1420

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I am female, & want to do a Trunchball, grab her braid & throw her over the fence. Matt is cool, why can’t I find a man like him...

@frankpage5179

5 жыл бұрын

Cut braid tugging? You may as well cut Nynaeve completely! Then who will box the boys ears?

@Max_Griswald

5 жыл бұрын

You forgot the sniffing.

@thewaterwarrior9817

5 жыл бұрын

😂

Rand's epiphany on Dragonmount in Book 12 is the crux of the entire Wheel of Time universe. If that is taken out, they might as well not put the series together in the first place.

@RichFreeman

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, cutting Morgase kind of goes along with that. Her story arc is mentioned in Daniel's #1 wheel of time moment in another video. I like that this moment at the end features several of the minor plot arcs and highlights how the war against the shadow isn't always fought by legendary figures.

@Eiroth

3 жыл бұрын

It's an exaggeration, but I honestly agree. After all that happened across 14 books, that's the moment that really stuck with me.

@TiMonsor

2 жыл бұрын

and the apples resurrected scene)

Definitely keep elayne learning swear words. My favourite running joke

@c0rr0s10n

5 жыл бұрын

@Robertson Thirdly rand bloody al thor!

@danielszigeti3241

5 жыл бұрын

what in the name of a bloody goat's left stone!

@darthvicious9182

5 жыл бұрын

They should keep the WoT cussing though. I think it would work if spoken with the right intonation.

@nekmewxelagrowing6432

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite is blood and bloody ashes...

@rymdalkis

4 жыл бұрын

@@nekmewxelagrowing6432 Blood and ashes sounds really cheesy when spoken out loud. Same with "Light!" and "Darkness within!"

How Lan and Nynaeve's romance started in the books was just so spontaneous that maybe onscreen it can be a bit more fleshed out and less violent braid tugging coz I don't think the actress's hair can last that long.

@imperium3556

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe she can have some sort of stunt braid.

@manuelp6791

4 жыл бұрын

glencarlo definitely agree on the romance part

@kanevinson

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I'd say literally all of the romances just kinda happen. They're gonna have to actually tease that out for the show

@finchbird2419

3 жыл бұрын

Romances in the book were just awful in a developmental standpoint. They characters that are involved act like they've known each other for a while and we get thrown in the middle of their relationship when that is not in fact the case

@krishvids608

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think they're doing that quite well in the show

Instead of Rand just "doing things without knowing" with the one power, he should start hearing whispers of Lews Therin much earlier

*Spoilers* I could see them cutting the whole Elayne fight for the throne political drama. Maybe she just accepts Rand handing her the throne and we move on. I could also see them cutting or trimming the time Egwene spends learning to use the world of dreams. I could also see them cutting the whole Faile is captured thing down to like 1 episode.

@GodFirstnl

5 жыл бұрын

Or half a season. I mean, the Faile episode takes some 3 books. Stuffing all of that in one episode isn't really the best idea. But definitely shorten it

@derekdurst9216

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah maybe have two, three if you want to push it, episodes about Faile’s capture, but not back to back, so it seems like it happens for longer but the screen-time isn’t too long

@TheRacoonGhost

5 жыл бұрын

Nope keep the Elayne plot since its important leading up to her taking command at the last battle, however skipp al the negotiating with the seafolk and the kin (actually kill the kin entierly) and skip almost everything after the throne is taken and jump strait to the battle.

@xplicitmike

5 жыл бұрын

Better yet, cut Faile entirely

@chriswhinery925

5 жыл бұрын

@@xplicitmike She's kind of important for Perrin's personal arc so I don't think they should cut her entirely, but we could definitely stand to see a lot less of her.

I just want to know how they will handle the big 3. With Rand, how will they portray the lews therin in his head, with Mat, it's the dice, and Perrin, the wolf dream and mainly communicating with the wolves. These are key aspects to the 3 main character the will make or break the series. And yes, the dice in Mat's head need to be there.

@jodiz5901

5 жыл бұрын

That certainly will be interesting--I can't think of another dramatic show where you see what is going on in someone's head depicted. I think they only need as much of the wolf dreams as is necessary to establish that Perrin could lose himself in them.

@benjamingoyer8665

5 жыл бұрын

The dice could be done through musical score and subtle sound effects with a mumbled comment when the the event is over like, "Dark One's eyes again". Would need to see a dice game in an early episode to familiarize the viewer with the good and bad rolls though

@joelt2002

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't really care for Perrin or his story that much, and I imagine most people won't. I could see his character being reduced in scope to make room for some of the female characters having more screen time.

@TheRacoonGhost

5 жыл бұрын

im considering if the wolf dream should be skipped entierly with perin, it doesn't really go annywhere untill the last book, better develop his comunication with the wolfs and fear of loosing controll in the real world instead.

@HavenKai

5 жыл бұрын

@@joelt2002 so I used to not care for Perrin either however upon rereading for the billionth time in conjunction with audio book narration I started to really appreciate him in a way I never had before. I'd go into more detail but I think the fun is for people to figure it out in their own way and time so they appreciate it more xD

I feel like the Prophet of the Dragon could be cut entirely.. Alot of the Whitecloak politics, too.

@baileykypreos1270

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why but I really like Galad and the Whitecloak scenes.

@rodrigolnl

4 жыл бұрын

I confess that now that I'm reading WoT, I speed read all the whitecloak politics...

@talmanes4589

4 жыл бұрын

Hadn't thought about those but Masema could definitely be safely cut. Probably some of the Whitecloak politics but they are useful as villains for Perrin.

@orangemoustash

4 жыл бұрын

First off I understand you posted months ago but: I like the Whitecloak stuff but its like maybe just 1 scene or 2 every season. Daniel is right we don't need Morgase so just have like 1 scene killing Pedron Niall, 1 with the Seanchan takeover, then like total 3 for Galads Whitecloaks in exile deal.

@DriesCornillie

3 жыл бұрын

I think you could swap the shaido and the prophet, so they are responsible for failles kidnapping and the slavery of the land.

Why even consider book divisions in deciding season structure? All plotlines are know, the book series is complete. So just map out the character arcs, and place season markers in organic story places.

@16m49x3

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, biggest mistake in GoT imo

@danhathaway7984

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, so many plots go-on between books that I can't see being rigid with how many books a season covers.

@sbiebaut7289

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with what he said. Create seasons according to how plotlines are written and executed in the series, and not necessarily on the books. for example, Crown of Swords, Path of Daggers and Winter's heart probably don't even need one season. Go by the merit of the script and not by the books

@AnkitSharma-fu9io

3 жыл бұрын

Big faxx .

While I agree a lot of the Shaido's role could and should be cut, I don't think they should be taken out entirely. To me, the biggest advantage of them staying in is to emphasize that the Aiel are not a monolithic culture. They have many different factions, and the Shaido work well to show that there is resistance to Rand among them.

@DanielGreeneReviews

6 жыл бұрын

I didn’t mean to take them out entirely I just believe they should be fully destroyed at Dumais Wells. It would be a fitting end and help the end of the series pick up a LOT.

@riakm921

6 жыл бұрын

Ah, well then I would agree with that change.

@spencergreen3581

6 жыл бұрын

I'd say after the battle at Cairian (totally misspelled that) down in importance, maybe mention them in passing every now and then until Dumias Wells and Failes kidnapping . But they do need to be around for Faile's capture, i know everyone hates that section of the books but its important because Perrin being away from Rand for so long was important to rands development

@spencergreen3581

6 жыл бұрын

@ZodiacShotgun i dont think they should kill her she's kind of important, ie Perrin would literally allow himself to die if she did. And the shadow would just kill her, and bandits would undercut her as a character the only reason she got kidnapped was because she was captured by the Shiado, regular bandits aren't a serious enough threat to Perrin or her. And without that plot line you get rid of one the reasons the Sean Chan team with the forces of Light in the end, that one general voched for the to Toun at one point helping the offer look more appealing

@derekdurst9216

5 жыл бұрын

I’d say keep the Shaido through the battle of Cairhien and then either completely destroy them in the battle or have the retreat to the waste so broken and never hear from them again.

One problem with having less Forsaken I could see is that was a lot of Rand's perceived progress throughout the books, was slowly picking them off.

@GodFirstnl

5 жыл бұрын

Just keep them. But simplify. And don't give them as much of screentime.

@jsbrads1

5 жыл бұрын

Rand fights Ishmael more than most, maybe even skip Rahvin.

@glenbe4026

5 жыл бұрын

I think you can combine some of the Forsaken. Mesaana & Semihage, with maybe Semihage characteristics, but with Mesaana's plotline of infiltration of the White Tower. Balthamel & Rahvin could be combined without really losing much, and it would fit Rahvin being Asan'gar. Finally I feel Be'lal could be discarded completely and Sammael have Tear & Illian. I do not really think losing or combining any of the others can be done to any extent without causing major ripples in the story.

@kylethomas9130

5 жыл бұрын

It seems redundant , especially the ones that are reincarnated, since they don't accomplish much with their second life.

@TheRacoonGhost

5 жыл бұрын

@@kylethomas9130 i do think the reincarnation aspect is an important part of the plot tho since it clearly shows the Dark Ones power within the world at that point.

i am just hoping that when the time comes, and "Kneel, or be knelt" is said, that it is done well, and that millions of people see it. because everyone should know what badass is.

@soleilclerc832

5 жыл бұрын

I just read that part. Was great. Kneel, or you will be knelt

@kght222

5 жыл бұрын

@@soleilclerc832 chuckle, funnily enough it has been years since i read dumais wells, it kinda sticks with ya.

@MichaelMaxwell747

5 жыл бұрын

“I told you to make weapons, Taim. Show me just how deadly they are. Disperse the Shaido. Break them.”

@TheCbot88

5 жыл бұрын

Probably the best book in the series

@IgnorancEnArrogance

5 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, that battle needs to take up an entire episode and hopefully they are given a big enough budget by then to do it right.

I think it would also be really neat to have the void as its own set, so within scenes and discussions when Rand is talking to Lews we can immediately see them interacting inside Rand's mind and also get a better feel for Lews' madness instead of just a mildly creepy disembodied voice. This would also be really great for moments like the end of book 12 when it all comes to a climax, as I for the most part imagined it this way [the void being this different environment in Rand's head] with Rand, when he asks "why?" on his knees before Lews followed by Lews being lucid af. That way we could have easy cut to's between Rand on DM and having epiphanies and so on so forth.

@tomswiftyphilo2504

4 жыл бұрын

It would be amazing if they really Kubrick the hell out of Rand. If you set the stakes right and show that madness doesn't just mean sitting in a mental institution having some German lady say 'I never promised you a rose garden' but rather KILLING EVERYONE YOU LOVE AND PERHAPS EVERYONE ELSE TOO, then every one of Rand's military victories is also a defeat because it draws him closer to the brink. I think that every so often they should also have a modern male-Aes-Sedai go crazy and destroy his village

Man, you really love the Aiel. You should be called Daiel Greene. Agh, that was pretty bad. Sorry.

@DanielGreeneReviews

6 жыл бұрын

That was brilliant. Haha

@StevenLamberson

5 жыл бұрын

I love the aiel, too, and would be glad to see them featured heavily. However, one thing that should be considered is not making them too much on screen like the Fremen from Dune (who were an obvious source of inspiration for the aiel). The same goes for the Aes Sedai and the Bene Gesserit from Dune. I think the screenwriters should pay attention to not cutting things that show how the Wheel of Time cultures are distinct from their inspirations, but some of those things are the types of things that are easier to cut.

@AverageAwesomeDude

5 жыл бұрын

who would not love giant ginger sand ninjas- elevator pitch right there

@rokkkrinn2793

5 жыл бұрын

It's been a while, but aren't they the elite troops of his armies?

Remember that this story follows a story... The Prophecy. Also... Don’t leave out Jain Farstrider

I think to amp up the insanity thing it'd be interesting to have Lews Therin as a disembodied voice in Rand's head at first, but then it actually becomes Rand occasionally having LTT talking behind him/with him, but no one else can see him or hear him (Hormone Monster from Big Mouth, but less comedic). As for romances, I agree some need to be cut down, but I think the Thom/Moiraine one needs to be expanded on or it'll feel like it's out of left field for the viewer. If I would say keep one seemingly little thing it'd be Mat being raped by Tylin. I know his reaction is supposed to be comedic or whatever but it's a decidedly dark moment for his character, and in a world where it's far more egalitarian and even leaning toward women having more power than men, that'd be something that happens often, and I think it'd touch on a subject that is sadly taken far too lightly in the real world Edit: also keep Asmodean until like book 9. I really love his character and his death felt cheap and cut his story short for me

@TheRacoonGhost

5 жыл бұрын

cut asmodean entierly (or kill him in rhuidian), better to have Lews therin teach rand about the one power through madness.

@elementsboo

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheRacoonGhost I could live with that, I know some things will be done by different characters, but this would actually be a very interesting twist.

@Citizen_J

5 жыл бұрын

I think a better example would be Dexter's father in Dexter.

@StarryEyed0590

5 жыл бұрын

I have zero faith the Mat/Tylin thing can be handled appropriately because it was handled SO badly in the books. Starts out as pure comedy, then the next book we get SOME (but not nearly enough) recognition that this is a rape situation, then we're back to mostly humor but also some "he had real feelings for her", then FINALLY, a complex mixture of guilt, anger, and grudging affection... and then Sanderson goes and implies Mat was really into it and just "playing the fool" the whole time.

@alethela557

2 жыл бұрын

wow it actually kind of seems like that’s the route they’re gonna go with it

I mean Crossroads of Twilight could be done and over with in about an episode.

@AngryGoats555

6 жыл бұрын

mrgodliak I think it would be better if they integrated CoT episodes with WH episodes. It all basically overlaps

@instinctz1

5 жыл бұрын

Crossroads of Twilight could be cut period and most people wouldn't give a shit.

@joelt2002

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah considering the story progression is about zero, and is mostly overlapping with the previous book.

@everydaydissociation

5 жыл бұрын

CoT is basically that 10 second scene where something happens far off in the distance and you get to see different people's reactions to it while they're shearing sheep or whatever

@DwarfsRBest

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, basically just use it as a character building episode, and move on

Definitely agree with the zombie bit. Of all the Wheel of Time plot threads in the entire series, that was the worst one I'd ever read, but luckily it was fairly self-contained. I feel like a lot of the traveling circus drama can be diminished. A lot of trimming will need to be done in the storylines post-Dumai's Wells, leading up to and immediately following Winter's Heart so we can get back to the good stuff in Knife of Dreams. Standing up the Sea Folk and ignoring them could easily become a running gag. Just like Rand shirks them, the showrunners could do the same and not lose much steam. While Loial is super-important, a lot of his side plots are unnecessary. I agree with you that rumors and political intrigue could easily become background dressing, such as briefly overhearing a conversation about what's going on while the camera plans to the main plotline. I'm also not so sure the Elmindretta sideplot is necessary, plus it changed Min's character too much, made her too much like the other females. I can't imagine cutting any of the Forsaken... BUT I think it would be great to be a little more liberal in killing them off as the plot moves along.

@randland3722

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda like the zombies but it should be cut. It help show the pattern/world was at a breaking point.

Season 1: Eye of the World Season 2: The Great Hunt/Dragon Reborn Season 3: The Shadow Rising Season 4: The Fires of Heaven/New Spring (as flashbacks) Season 5: Lord of Chaos Season 6: Crown of Swords/Path of Daggers/Winter's Heart/Knife of Dreams Season 7: The Gathering Storm/Towers of Midnight Season 8: A Memory of Light Preferably ten to thirteen eps a season with an extra long season finale and the last ep being at least two hours long. Yes, there is no Crossroads of Twilight because literally nothing happens in that book.

@spencerryanmusic

5 жыл бұрын

John Salter I’m not sure about A Memory or Light having it’s own 10-13 episode season. It’s basically one giant battle. I could definitely see The Last Battle being spread out across 3 episodes, but I lean more towards combining ToM and aMoL, and combining Kod and tGs.

@mrgnwolfie2570

4 жыл бұрын

“No crossroads of twilight because literally nothing happens in that book” lmfao u right tho

@michael305m3

3 жыл бұрын

Towers of midnight should be with a memory of light in a season

@michael305m3

3 жыл бұрын

And knife of dreams with the gathering storm

It should be kept to an extent, but Nynaeve and Elayne’s journey to the Aes Sedai in LoC needs to be drastically scaled back. Second slowest part of the books for me aside from book 10 in general.

I hope they keep the Ways, or at least give it some screen time. I loved that part.

i always wanted to see more within the black tower. i would have enjoyed an entire book or 2 spent ONLY there. that whole section of time not hearing anything regarding logain drove me nuts.

@blackwolfnews1722

2 жыл бұрын

If only Verin had taken a slower acting poison, and we could have lived with her retellings for a book...or three!

I think you could also make an argument for cutting the majority of the Kin storyline. Keep them, but it really only needs to be a scene or two involving them.

@imperium3556

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. All they're really there for is to hand over the Bowl of the Winds and show that the Aes Sedai aren't as high and mighty as they think they are.

The entire Masema arc can just be ripped out imo.

@jacencastillo6003

3 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree

@TheFiendofOndar

3 жыл бұрын

I think there should've been a lot more to it in the books. Maybe the show can give that arc a purpose.

Shadow rising, lord of chaos and a memory of light definitly need stand alone seasons, the slog ( 7- 10) should be 1 or 2 seasons. The rest i havent really thought of

@darthvicious9182

5 жыл бұрын

How many episodes are there going to be in a season?

@AnkitSharma-fu9io

3 жыл бұрын

@@darthvicious9182 8 episodes in season 1. The rest haven't been decided yet , but considering that Amazon usually follows this format , I guess it's gonna be continued till the finale .

Hours of braid tugging could definitely be cut.

I really like what you proposed here. And they definitely must cut the petty squabbling, especially the "Romantic tension" squabbling which is so god-awful. LOL

Personally, I think the entire plot line involving Valan Luca's Traveling Show could be dropped without losing much at all. It really didn't seem to go anywhere and was basically just a way stop for several characters when they weren't needed for anything important. Also, Faile's kidnapping shouldn't be eliminated entirely, but cutting it down a LOT would be a good idea.

Great list! I really agree with just about all you listed here, Daniel. One thing I'm really looking forward to and is a definite must on my list is the Rhuidean chapters. They're so important for so many reasons and one of the best sections in the whole series. I also want to see a healthy dose of aelfinn and eelfinn! One thing that is on my cut list is the Perrin - Faile - Shaido storyline. I mean, it must be included but must be shortened considerably. The battle at Dumai's Wells must be what 'Hardhome' was for GOT. Finally. Considering the forsaken. Asmodean must be included, even though his part in the books is limited he is very important for Rands progress as a character. Other forsaken that must be included is, for me, Ishamael/Moridin (for obvious reasons), Demandred, Lanfear, Moghedien, Graendal and Semirhage.

Spoilers: While I believe you could cut the Hinderstap stuff, I thought that particular chapter was entertaining. Maybe I’m biased because Mat is my favorite, but I loved that particular scene.

@johnirving5949

4 жыл бұрын

Makes a great single episode, then a callback at the Last Battle

@beardybeardface

4 жыл бұрын

i think that's what he hinted at when he said zombies. i thought it was fun too, but it does seem to miss the main themes of the books and could be cut with little damage to the pattern.

@kylefast9650

4 жыл бұрын

I loved hinserstap, especially Matt’s genius in the last battle

@larryhammond5907

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I didn't like Hinderstap until the last battle, then I thought it was brilliant. Also, heart breaking as they sent 100 of the band to join them. sheesh, that's sacrifice

@morehbein6207

2 жыл бұрын

@@larryhammond5907 i think those 100 were those that died there in the first place

You could also axe the Sea Folk bits. Not much added there.

@McD9134

5 жыл бұрын

Just down play it majorly, like in passing

@TheRacoonGhost

5 жыл бұрын

its a shame becouse theyve could have been as developed as the aiel in the books but where mostly just glanced over.

@MrDraynur

5 жыл бұрын

They seem like a part that RJ would have fleshed out before the end, or at least tried, but they got lost in the shuffle after he passed.

@chriswhinery925

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah agreed with this. Introduce them so people know they exist, like when Elayne and Nynaeve travel to Tanchico, keep the Sea Folk there so that viewers know this is a culture that exists, but a lot of the Sea Folk stuff can get the axe without them even needing to really redo the story to account for it, they didn't do much.

@IgnorancEnArrogance

5 жыл бұрын

But what about all the mass toplessness we will miss out on? That's how they get the Game Of Thrones fans! ;)

I agree with everything, but DON'T cut the Forsaken.

People who think anything can be page for page adapted to a screenplay really annoy me. It’s one of my new biggest pet peeves EDIT: Do you think the Dark One should have his own....idk....form? Body? I mean, do you think he should just be a ball of gas with a voice?

@brandonquade3933

6 жыл бұрын

[SPOILERS FOR A MEMORY OF LIGHT] Well, Shaidar Haran sort of provides a form for the Dark One, but I'm assuming you are referring specifically to within the Pit of Doom. I could go either way, but I think I'm a fan of formless, as it gives more of a sense of primeval evil in the final confrontation between Rand and the Dark One. Plus, Moridin already sort of embodies the more human aspects of the Shadow, so having the Dark One contrast that makes the most sense to me.

@Dark_X2

6 жыл бұрын

I am kinda thinking the dark one should at first presented somewhere between the Galactus in Rise of the Silver surfer (a dark cloud of nothing) and the sphere thing in event horizon. Combined with 8 Hz sounds that make us very uncomfortable in all those scences.

@jodiz5901

5 жыл бұрын

Since the Dark One is the antithesis of the Creator and the Wheel of Time--not in a good vs. evil way but in the sense that he wants to break the Wheel which the Creator made--then he should be formless as the Creator and the Wheel are formless.

I just found your channel and I gotta say, you put so much work into it. I love fantasy, but I haven't read many high fantasy books and it's still so entertaining just to see/hear you talk about it. Love your channel!

I like your passion! I'm excited for the show to begin shooting! It's exciting.

Definitely combine books 7 and 8 as one and 9 and 10. I found that book 10 didn't deserve all its criticism if you view it as a very long epilogue to book 9 or at least an integrated chapter shift as it mostly consists of different perspective's reacting to the c l e a n s i n g. Not to mention the only thing Rand does in book 10 is order Logain to make peace with the collar boys.

@magnusflodberg6162

5 жыл бұрын

The Cleansing HAS to be a season finalé though, it's just perfect for it. And if EoTW and AMoL get their own seasons this fits perfectly as book eight and nine will be combined into one season. Which I'm fine with. Those are my two cents. Book ten can be done in just a couple of episodes since nothing major happens in it, not saying that it's a waste of space but it's ending is not as fitting of a season finalé as either book nine or eleven.

I think that thinking about the books in relation to seasons won't work with The Wheel of Time, even if you're thinking about combining them to make it more digestable. There are certain plot points that, in my opinion, should happen earlier in the sequence for the TV show, as well as placing certain plot points later. For example, a few of the books that take place after *spoiler alert* Rand cleanses saidin basically take place at the same time. The same thing happens with Perrin's plotline in TOM since it takes place during the events of TGS. There are many more instances of this happening, but these two are the ones that stand out to me most. In my opinion, it would make more sense to place these events logically within the timeline of the show disregarding their original placement in the books. Obviously there are some exceptions to this, but overall I think it would drastically improve the flow of the show.

@StarryEyed0590

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly, the books got confusing to me at times because the different plotlines weren't lined up chronologically. *SPOILERS* (relatively mild) We had Tam telling Rand that Morgase was with Perrin an entire book before Perrin & co found out Morgase was who she was, making it seem like Tam could somehow just id the Queen of Andor on sight, or that they had just skipped over that reveal after dragging it out for four book.

Thanks for making this! I think it's very pragmatic and important for people to get that things will have to be cut.

So much of the content of the books, is in depth descriptions of people and places, in a visual show you see all that, and as they say, a picture, (or video in this case) is worth a thousand words.

I said keep the Shaido in, but let them be whiped out at the battles of Chairien and Dumai Wells.

Oh, oh, the ginger guy wants everything about the red haired, blue eyed badass warriors to stay in! What a surprise! I'm ginger too I feel you bro.

@IchibanOjousama

5 жыл бұрын

soulless gingers

I love your videos. You put a lot of thought into what you say and this video was a great example of that. I stopped watching the ones where you talk about Wheel of Time because of potential spoilers. I've only read through book 2. I need to finish the series, then I'll watch the rest of your WoT videos. Great job. I can't wait for the show to come out.

Hi there Daniel! Loved the video and I mostly agree with your points. I'm interested to know what you think about the portrayal of whitecloaks? I understand that they may not be too high up the list in how they contribute to the main plot lines, but looking at the kind of aura they create (not something one would necessarily fall in love with) and how one of the chief characters gets entwinded with them, I'd like to see some drama and conflict in that area.

I agree with everything except your most controversial pick: less forsaken. I think some should have their significance diminished and even be eliminated quickly or off screen, but I like sticking with something that Robert Jordan gave a hard number to.

@darthvicious9182

5 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% here. If you really think about it, the Forsaken wouldn't take up a lot of screen time. Every one of them is important, and killing each one is a huge victory for the light. The dark one can bring them back if they weren't killed by balefire, but doing that too many times would cheapen it. It Should be a hard 13....That's what she said.

i'm so nervous about the WoT tv show. i've been reading and rereading this series for almost 20 years

Its really cool seeing this video now having just found your channel in the past few weeks. Your personality is the same but the polish has gone way up. The most visceral and gut wrenching parts of the books involved those collars. So i really hope they find a good way to show the helplessness.

Cut the number of Forsaken? Does this mean, #TaimandredLives? LOL

@torikipitt750

5 жыл бұрын

my fault I spose. good joke otherwise. feelsbadman. soz

Only 2 years to late... but I think they really need to play with the "who is a darkfriend" vibe.. that would make episodes keep their tension.. and as a viewer not being sure who to root for

While I agree they could mostly do 2 books a season, I also think The Shadow Rising also deserves a full standalone season. It probably covers the most ground aside from A Memory Of Light. That is also where the series becomes more mature and complex, and the audience should have plenty of time to deal with that transition. They could also take parts of New Spring, and use it as flashbacks for Moirane, Suane, and Lan somewhere after the events of The Fires of Heaven.

@samuelhaines617

5 жыл бұрын

good call. great opportunity to expand the world for the tv show after the initial content of the first three books is done (maybe 2 seasons for them?) I would love to see each book get its own season, but I realize as a TV show, it may stall. They do build to a wonderful crescendo at the end of the third book. one super long season of like 24 episodes could do the first three books justice.

Wheel of Time has a huge advantage over the other big multi-part adaptations of recent years (Game of Thrones and Harry Potter) in that all the books are finished. The showrunners can sketch out where they need to get to, and then move or cut various pieces of the story to get there in a TV-friendly way. No need to make it up as they go along or hastily re-shoehorn in things that seemed unimportant in the early books but were actually crucial to the finale. Its disadvantage is that this is an extremely difficult story to adapt. Any TV show is going to have to lose a lot of the sheer scale that's a draw of the books - even with modern budgets and special effects, there are limits on how much of the battles and magical effects they'll be able to show off. And a lot of important work happens inside the characters' heads (Rand's madness and the use of the One Power being obvious examples) which will somehow have to be translated into something the viewer can see.

i think books 1-3 need there own seasons. later books can be condensed and scenes from later books can be shuffled about with earlier books 4-10. 11-14 could be done in one or two seasons. I am thinking of 12-20 episode seasons though. Probably won't get that many, unfortunately, but I like to think positively.

The book series itself could've been condensed into 10 books anyway. It would've benefited from it, even.

@aaronduncan3477

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, probably less. I mean there's probably at least one whole books worth of descriptions just about what people wear and see when they walk down a hallway.

I thought having 13 forsaken was something do with the number 13 being symbolic with the power

@Dark_X2

6 жыл бұрын

The number 7 could serve a similar purpose and actually help keep them all in mind

@Merecir

5 жыл бұрын

They could just say that there were 13 from the beginning but that some died in the war or when Lews Therin assaulted Shayol Ghul.

@cameronyeager7482

5 жыл бұрын

@@Merecir I mean two die right off of the bat, so 11... Then Rand kills ole boi in Tyr, can't remember his name. So 10 by book three was it? I don't maybe just get rid of them faster, but I think they should keep all 13.

@Merecir

5 жыл бұрын

@@cameronyeager7482 Aginor and Balthamel returned as Osan'gar and Aran'gar. Be'lal was permanently killed by balefire. Ishamael returned as Morindin. Rahvin was balefired. Sammael was consumed by Mashadar and assumed permanently dead. Asmodean betrayed the shadow (and possibly balefired). Lanfear returned as Cyndane. Semirhage got balrefired. Mesaana survived with a broken mind. Graendal returned as Hessalam. Moghedien survived. Demandred died shortly before the bore was closed.

The aspects of good, evil and in between is key to the story in my opinion. You have the protagonists, and you have the shadow, but then you also have other groups that is antagonists from the reader's perspective but hate the shadow... Like the Children of the Light for example. It just creates so much depth. Also, that the reader (or the viewer) cannot trust a character's motives, because you'll never know who is a darkfriend and who isn't. That is also key.

As far as the foresaken. Let it be known there are 13, but focus on about 1/2 of them. Easy enough to say “we don’t know what the others are up to”. If individual foresaken can’t defeat or turn Rand to the shadow, it still leaves the threat of the possibility that IF they were ever to come together, 13 can turn Rand. Another approach would be (would probably feel rushed) having Rand kill them off and not all of them come back. This could show the dark one only brings back those he chooses too.

10:45 darkfriends are gonna be fun. for folks who haven't read the books they are going to be wondering if every character they see might be a darkfriend after their existence gets revealed and explained. and while i don't really hate fain, i think his character can end up with a long drop on a short rope after tgh

Definitely keep the spankings of Egwene in😉

@16m49x3

4 жыл бұрын

best part of the series

@matthewsmith4647

4 жыл бұрын

Lol naw not with the actress they got. I'm good. No ty

@peopleschampiii584

3 жыл бұрын

Yaaaas

I'm super excited to see a stellar adaptation of the very beginning with The Betrayer of Hope and Lews Therin. If done right, there are going to be some intense chills on my body.

Honestly, books 7-10 could be condensed into one season. That part of the story is easily the weakest and wouldn’t transfer well to screen

@ErinXIV

4 жыл бұрын

They COULD, although I feel that the ending to Winter's Heart needs to be a season finale, it's one of the most epic moments of the entire series, and a HUGE win for the Light. Book 10 is mainly just other people round the world feeling the cleansing happening, Egwene's army marching to the White Tower, and Elayne's succession story arc, which for me is the lowest point of the entire series. 7-9 could definitely be one season though!

wel, I hope they do Moiraine prolgue from a 'New Spring' as flashbacks. Cut: yeah have no idea, there are a lot of characters that aren't necessary or can be MAYORLY reduce screen time of. There are also a lot of different plots in different city , maybe combine some of those like ebou dar and tanchiko plot

@Merecir

5 жыл бұрын

My hope is that the series become super popular. So popular that after Moiraine deals with Lanfear they feel that the market is ready for a prequel MOVIE.

[SPOILER ........... possibly] To get the socio-political build up and then the final explosion of not one, but two events would be epic! These events - the conquest at the Stone of Tear and taking of Calendor, but most anticipated to see on screen for me ... The build-up and end results of Dumai Wall "Asha' man .... Kill!"

I agree with so much of what you said! I'm a little iffy on the romance, but more because i personally don't think they are done that well in the books. the romances often seem to come out of no where, and i definitely dont' want it to be that way in the show. I would like there to be more build up and tension of the romances, but not drawn out at the same time which is what i think you're getting at. I DEFINITELY agree about cutting down the forsaken!! Even as someone familiar with the series and a rereader for at lesat half of it, i STILL get them confused sometimes and have a hard time keeping track of who is who. much easier on the 4th read than the first LOLOL.

Season 1- Eye of the World Season 2- The Great Hunt Season 3- Dragon Reborn Season 4- Shadow Rising/Fires of Heaven Season 5- Lord of Chaos Season 6- Crown of Swords/Path of Daggers Season 7- Winter Heart/Knife of Dreams Season 8- The Gathering Storm/Towers of Midnight Season 9- A Memory of Light That's how I'd break them down. The earlier books were very well paced and would make good self contained series. Jordan really dragged out his middle so those could be condensed. This will also allow earlier seasons time to build their worlds while later books are condensed to solve pacing problems.

I'm sad because it's likely Valan Luca's circus will be cut (or at least severely reduced), which makes sense because it doesn't add much to the plot, but I love those chapters. Also, adding to why the Seanchan should stay, they provide an antagonistic force that's not associated with the Shadow. While at its heart, Wheel of Time is a story of Good vs Evil, but the Seanchan add to the complexity and make the story more interesting because of it.

@neriumsuitedher

5 жыл бұрын

I hated the Seanchan the most. Who cares about the Shadow, the Seanchan were the real threat all along, lol.

** moderate spoilers**The entire Perrin saves Faile story, bleh hated every bit of it. Elaine joins the circus i think they can get away with cutting out much of the telehrand reahl ( sp? Sorry) cut out Matt being kept as a boy toy, Focus on the corruption within all kingdoms including the tower(s) more of our favorite "dark" channeler /Liberian, more Focus on power vs true power channeling. And tons of our favorite lead fade.

@oluwatobifadeyi7552

5 жыл бұрын

I agree so much . Every time I reread the series I just skip every Perrin section once you get to the Perrin/faile section. It drags on forever and just makes me hate Perrin so much.

@kharilane1340

5 жыл бұрын

Then the writer did his job. You are supposed to see the mistake Perrin is making and the potential harm his obsession with Faile could do to the eventual victory of The Forces of the Light. Its supposed to be exasperating. You can hate it if you want but its essential to the plotline and should be kept. It is through this ordeal that Perrin grows as a character the most. Its this episode that helps him come to grips with his need to be a real leader and gives him a real army to lead instead of a small cohort of Two Rivers longbowmen.

@johnguion8141

5 жыл бұрын

@Jerry C Mat as boy toy is the best! That has to stay.

@samuelhaines617

5 жыл бұрын

@@kharilane1340 very well stated. it can be truncated and spread out between a few episodes as other pieces are being developed. The books are certainly not linear. It is crucial to see Perrin grapple with becoming an adult and assuming responsibility.

@yeahbee8237

5 жыл бұрын

So we miss Perrin making his hammer, fighting Aram and many other great stuff

I largely agree with most of your sentiments. So, let me offer up my own sentiments. *******Spoilers contained below********* The series definitely needs to be trimmed significantly. However, I don't believe you were aggressive enough in your assessment. The Eye of the World really doesn't need its own season. Would likely arrange as follows: Season 1: The Eye of the World, The Great Hunt (Creates a solid season Structure where Rand learns of his destiny mid-season and finally chooses to embrace it for the season finale) Season 2: The Dragon Reborn,The Darkness Rising (Can pretty much be the Aiel Season were we are fully introduced to their culture and immersed in it) Season 3: The Fires of Heaven, Lord of Chaos (This would be the season where you finally see the founding of the Black Tower and it coming into its own. You end this season with Dumai's Wells) Season 4: A Crown of Swords, The Path of Daggers, Winters Heart ( Huge turning point season as you build to the cleansing of saidin) Season 5: Crossroads of Twilight, Knife of Dreams, The Gathering Storm (I would make this the huge political season where White Tower and Black Tower conflicts are resolved) Season 6: Towers of Midnight, A Memory of Light. (Clean up the rest of the Political In-fighting, Get the Seanchen on board, rescue Moiraine, and kick off Tarmon Gai'don. ) Regarding your Controversial take on the Forsaken. I don't know if I would consolidate their number quite as much (maybe make Aran'gar and Osan'gar a single character), but I would definitely stop recycling them. When you kill a Forsaken, they are dead and we don't have to deal with their re-incarnations (yes, this means no Halima, or Corlan Dashiva) Also, there were a couple, like Moghedien, who felt like they were defeated multiple times but just kept hanging around. Just kill them and move on. Now, my most controversial cut. I would almost completely remove Ogier from the present day. Instead, there would be constant references to the master builders of the past. But I would treat them as a race largely extinct, with characters like Loial being re-imagined as more of a Big Foot urban legend that the characters encounter who believes himself to be one of the last, if not the last of his kind. I believe you are correct regarding the Romances. I just don't think Rand's Harem will play out that well for a television audience. Instead, Introduce the characters of Aviendha, Elayne, and Min with their own stories, and see which character organically builds chemistry with Rand during the series and go with it. Plus, it will allow you to create competing Rand/Elayne, and Rand/Min shippers. On the Topic of Romances in general, I think I would dial it back a bit for the series. Robert Jordan seemed intent on hooking everyone up with someone and seemed to be drawing out harlequin romance novel plots for each pairing. So, in no particular order, these Romances could be cut: Egwene/Gawyn, Siuan Sanche/Gareth, Thom/Moiraine, Morgase/Her devoted soldier, ect. And now for another controversial cut. I think most of the stuff with Tel'aran'rhiod (the dream world) can be cut. Most of the development can be handled in alternative ways. And I just don't think it could be realized on a TV budget in anything approaching a satisfactory manner. You would need the Inception movie budget to pull it off. As for things I would play up more. Mat's Luck. Anyone who has seen Domino in Deadpool 2 knows just how cinematic it is to have a badass owning enemies while random rube-goldberg mechanisms conspire in the back-ground to help them. This needs to happen for Mat. Play up Perrin's Wolf side. The actor needs to really bring it here. As the series progresses, Perin's posture and attitude should become increasing beastial and feral. He should have a predator like presence that un-nerves even his friends. I mean, he is basically a werewolf, just without the ability to physically transform.

@StarryEyed0590

5 жыл бұрын

I'd leave Siun and Gareth as a couple, but de-emphasize them and especially all the bickering they did. I'd also cut Berelain/Galad, and cut a lot of the Berelain/Perrin stuff, unless they decided to combine Lanfear and Berelain, which would be an interesting adapation choice

I would say 2 books a series works for most of it, i would say condense all of the Slog (thats like 3 or 4 books) down into one with maybe some bleed over into the next. And give the last three books their own full seasons

I'm not sure what I want to have cut, but I do wish that the show gives more for Perrin to do

@GodFirstnl

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly. That's definitely something they could improve

@MattGarZero

5 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of Perrin spending 100 books saving his wife?

@glenbe4026

5 жыл бұрын

@@MattGarZero If Faile is in the show, I would be wishing for less scenes with Perrin.

I disagree about the forsaken because they many are very influential in the plots of basically at least the first 5 books then book 7. I haven’t finished the series so I don’t know about the last 4 books but I’m sure many play a big part at the end as well

@925263

4 жыл бұрын

Only a few of them matter. Moghedien never actually does anything and is mostly a filler tool for Nynaeve to learn something. Aginor and Bel'al are irrelevant. Samael is pretty much just an early-appearance Demandred. Rahvin was big for one book, but any one of them can take that role.

I could not agree more with everything you said. Very well thought out. I am very worried about them making WoT because there is soooooo much they HAVE to get right and sooooo many ways it could go wrong. I find myself thinking they will need Mat's luck to get this right.

What is your opinion on the use of the one power. My friend and I agree it would be a difficult medium to display on screen. I think a certain delicate CG threading around the screen in related colors would work. He thinks it should be more like the force in the Star Wars series, where it isn't visually on screen but you see the effects. What do you think. Also, Love your series

@StarryEyed0590

5 жыл бұрын

I think it could depend on whether the scene is "from the pov" of a channeler or not. Like when various characters are learning to channel or doing new or important weaves, there could be CGI similar to what you said, but in a lot of scenes, it's shown more like the force. I feel like the channeling battles, with the shields, are going to have to have some effects, though, otherwise it's just people glaring at each other and making motions.

3 years later.. andthey have cut.. the wheel of time itself. They kept a few characters names and nothing else.

@christianrapper

2 жыл бұрын

Some of that was probably due to production and shooting problems due to covid and recasting Mat.

My thoughts on Books vs Seasons. S1 - EOTW S2 - TGH S3 - TDR S4 - TSR & TFOH (especially works since Perrin's story doesn't continue into TFOH. Imagine a finale that covers The Battle of the Two Rivers, Rand vs Rahvin, and Nynaeve's TAR shenanigans) S5 - LOC (Dumai's Wells needs to be a season finale) S6 - COS, TPOD, WH, COT, KOD (yeah...) S7 - TGS & TOM S8 - AMOL For me, the stories of the first three books just felt too contained to do more than one in a season. I don't know how you organically go from the battle at Falme to Rand running off to Tear without some sort of season break. After those three, plot lines start to span books more, and it's easier to chain them together into single seasons. Looking at it, I'm not sure if the pacing would be totally out of whack or not. S6 seems like the biggest worry there, but honestly, if you significantly shorten the Faile abduction arc, and cut Morgase's scene's and Elayne's succession arc, it gets pretty managable. I'd tentatively say you could do the entirety of COT as B scenes during a finale focused on the cleansing. Maybe have the cleansing be the second to last episode, with the last being wrap up that contains key KOD details, like Lews Therin seizing control and Mat's marraige. End the season with Nynaeve's "The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai'don" speech and you've got a solid finale despite only using scraps of the book. I'm more concerned with how you fit TGS and TOM into one season, since there's loads of good stuff in there, and I don't really think much of it deserves cutting. Also, Rand on top of Dragonmount seems like perfect finale material. Maybe you could do something clever with the timelines and absorb season 6 into seasons 5 and 7, then give TOM it's own season? I don't know.

My idea would make Taim Demondred and give Demondred final scenes to Asemodin to ramp up sense of betrayal

Hey Daniel I'm curious, What moments from the series are you looking forward to seeing done the most? The scenes I'm looking forward to the most are "Kneel and swear to the Lord Dragon, or you will be knelt" and Rand destroying Graendal's palace.

Ffs people are crazy for wanting to cut the save Faile arc! Hugely important It makes Perrins arc so great, it got some Awesome scenes, making the hammer, aram turning on perrin, the trial with the Whitecloaks etc etc

@925263

4 жыл бұрын

It makes Perrin a boring piece of garbage and has officially made him what I consider to be the worst fictional character of all time. It has 0 good scenes. The hammer was boring. Aram is irrelevant to anything. The Whitecloaks are immensely boring. Just yet another magic group. Cut. It.

@thundarrisaboss2725

4 жыл бұрын

perrin is BORING! cut most of him cept his interactions with rand, and main plot.

You know, I think in the later books, there are whole marathon scenes of introspection that can be cut completely, especially since most of them are tediously redundant (and also, those don't translate well to the screen anyway.) That's something that Sanderson actually managed to get a handle on for the most part, but Jordan really went off the rails there. There is also a *lot* of stuff that goes on in the later books that probably doesn't need a huge amount of screen time to cover since it will lend itself well to epic visuals that only take a few minutes or, for much of it, montage. Indeed, I can see an Indiana Jones style travelling montage for many fairly long winded sequences in the books. I mean, sure, the weevils in the grain and other travails of an army on the move are nice set dressing and all, but they didn't add much to the overall story. Also, some of the characters that got promoted to "semi-main" later on can probably be dispensed with entirely or other characters can possibly stand in for them if the specific scenes are required. Much of the time they are simply point of view characters we are familiar with so they give us a window into the events they get mixed up in. That isn't really necessary in a visual medium since we don't need a filter to observe things - we can see them directly. That was actually one of the things that bogged down the books a lot - too many characters got promoted to "semi-main". I do agree that the drama within and between the towers is critical since without it, the overall climax of the story couldn't happen. That said, some of the tedious detail can be skipped. Also, some of the "secular" political machinations are probably important, but there's no need to get bogged down in the details of city administration and the like other than maybe some background action mentioning it or a few lines of dialogue here or there.

No spoilers of anything. I totally agree with the Forsaken’s importance, o even think some may be a little unnecessary. Also as I was writing this, o had a question. In (I think) book eight or nine either Graendal or Moghedian (can’t exactly remember sorry) mention how many of the “Chosen” died in the War of Power, so in the books, why is there a lucky thirteen of them, is it just the Dark One? Or something else.

I feel like the Shaido are about as important as the Seanchan. At least, they are early on. They matter about as much early on as the Seanchan do later on.

***WARNING small spoilers*** I would rather see Rand hooked up with Min and keep the other two as a brief affair with a close friendship bond with the other two. And yes they should definitely focus on the Aiel. Also they can definitely cut down the amount of travel time Perrin spends and the amount of time Faile is with the Shaido. And I really really hope they choose an actress for Tuon that matches her very petite form.

@HallyVee

2 жыл бұрын

They did really well with the characterization overall, but they definitely did skip out on certain details. Like how LAN is supposed to be at least 6ft 5 but they chose a fairly short actor.

With dune coming out soon as well, and given the cultural similarities between dune and the Aiel, (at least surface level ) will it differentiate WOT enough?

14 books. The sheer volume of cuts that are going to be necessary to adapt this into a television series makes me very nervous. I have loved The Wheel Of Time for over 20 years. All those characters in the series are like old dear friends to me and I worry for them. Changes are inevitable and I fear that my favorite characters like Mat and Thom and Moiraine will be altered to the point that they are unrecognizable to me. I'm so torn inside about the upcoming show to the point that I almost wish that they don't even try to make the attempt to adapt this for the small screen. My fear is that they'll screw everything up....

whoa. Glasses. Like em.

@DanielGreeneReviews

6 жыл бұрын

Contacts were bothering me this morning 👁

OH BOY! DANIEL'S BROUGHT OUT THE GLASSES! BRACE YOURSELVES!

Would like to see an update now that we’re halfway through the season. Or maybe after the season is over how they’re going to condense the rest?

I read around half the series, then well... Rand Al Thore .. and also the Godling chronicles, the Painted man, both insinuated into my reading time.

GoT couldnt get the CGI to allow Jon Snow to even pet Ghost when we all thought they were saying goodbye for good. Theyre gonna make a live action dumais wells. Bowl of the winds? Even gateways. This is gonna fail hard. Anime is only way. By the way, if the shaido are cut entirely, than dimais wells is not dumais wells.

@samuelhaines617

5 жыл бұрын

i don't think gateways will be a challenge at all. I'm with you on the concern about trollocs and shadowspawn coming out well. CGI will be a must for mass effect, but live model actors will help. I'm more curious about how they will envision channeling and power effects. CGI is in place to do an amazing job. It all comes down to vision and money.

FWLIW: My personal nickname for *_Game of Thrones_* is *_Dragons & Boobies._* Really. And I refer to *_Facebook_* as *_Zuckerberg's Zoo._* ALSO really.

@martybrunner

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and... who cares?

@martybrunner

5 жыл бұрын

@Jagar Tharn I was actually replying to RocKiteman_2001's comment

The Aiel are also full of pop culture influence possibilities. If the show becomes popular like Game of Thrones, I can see everybody saying stuff like I have toh and may you find water and shade for a couple of years, the way everybody used to say Valar morghulis

Also a ton of travelling and meaningless skirmishes and battles can be glossed over. The writers are gonna have to be excellent in the way they trim and pace the script to keep the casual viewers engaged. We will see

Most of Elaynes story...my least favorite parts in the whole series.

(Obviously spoilers for a 20 year old series.) 1.) Combine books 6-8, and 9-11 (just leaving out most of Book 10 anyway). Books 6-8 work as a political trilogy of Rand trying to be 'king' and yanking the nations into line (and 6-7 involve him winding up and throwing against Sammael in Illian, which turns into a bit of an anticlimax in the books anyway.) 9-11 focus, among other things, on Rand cleansing Saidin and recovering from that with the shifts this makes in the sides now that men don't have to go insane. 2.) The 2Riv crew mature a lot in three years (or 3-1/2) of the 14 books, so having them played by older actors later isn't bad. Might even be helpful if some actors want to quit and the parts recast. Still, as noted above, I'm okay with trimming books down for seasons. Book 1 introduces so much plot, and covers so much ground (figuratively and on the map) that I understand it being a whole season. Kind of ditto Book 14, although much of that can be action which takes less time to show than tell. Book 2.... eh, I can see that being a season. It's still introducing a lot of things. But yeah, it kind of makes sense for 2-3 to be one season: Rand accepts being the Dragon and tries to do something Dragony to end the war early (killing "Shaitan"). 4-5, Rand goes to the Waste and comes back ready to stake his claim as a political leader. Books 6-8, Rand tries being a king, but the taint driving him crazy causes too many problems and he has to give it up. Books 9-11, he cleans the taint (wonder if something better can be done with that, in the books it really makes little sense), and then recuperates while the world tries to get along without him. 12-13, Rand comes back and the Last Battle starts. (Strategically it starts in Book 12.) Book 14 maybe fr its own season. So 7 seasons, maybe 6. 3.) Queen Morgase (Elayne's mom). She should stay long enough to set up Elayne's political situation, then die off. Agreed that her story is interesting but it doesn't affect the plot, other than giving the Ultrageneral Bryne some motivation not to retire and to fight for a side (which he'd have anyway with Elayne, plus just being generally a good guy). Losing Morgase tragically in Rand's raid on Caemlyn, when he thought he'd be able to save her, would add dramatic punch -- instead of only dramatic irony (since most people think she's dead anyway, but the reader knows better.) 4.) The Shaido might be more workable (after Dumai's Wells) if they got absorbed into the Seanchan's return. I do like having them around to sow chaos, I understand the point to that. Maybe just have them offscreen most of the time causing plot problems. 5.) While having MT be Demandred (after all) makes some sense, I understand the point to him competing with Rand thematically albeit less directly by becoming the anti-Dragon (so to speak) of the Sharans. Bringing them into the Last Battle adds a lot of punch, and makes the world a bigger place, too. But maybe it should be Sammael doing this, after easily escaping from the Mashadar at the end of ACoS. He was being set up as a wild-card threat, and even Sanderson teases the idea that Sam is still out there operating against the Forses in his own alternate-evil plan to impress the Dark One and earn the Nae'blis title. 6.) Most of the Forses only function as temporary hurdles anyway, operating behind the scene or only for a few scenes across a 'season', so I'm against reducing them. If anything, the Shadow should be promoting new Forses! (Which in the books only happens with Taim, if I recall correctly.) Bringing Forses back from the dead was something the Dark One didn't do in the prior War (or at any time since -- bringing back competent Dreadlords for example would have been a great idea). It should be rare if done at all. Maybe just don't kill off the more plot-important ones like Lanfear only to bring them back later in new bodies (apparently borrowed from other people anyway, like the poor Aes Sedai tortured to death by Semi -- seems like Cabriana got turned into Cyndane.) 7.) What should generally be cut (speaking as someone who plays with a project of condensing books 6-11 into two books, "Upon the Heights" and "The Shadow Falling"), are scenes that don't involve the main protagonists, the main antagonists, or plot-important secondary antagonists -- because they're the coloring contrast to the protagonists. Various characters can be cameos, but that's it. 8.) Speaking of secondary antagonists, I kind of agree with some people below that Padan Fain should be cut out fairly quickly. Even RJ didn't seem to know what to do with him. "Mordeth" shouldn't even exist after his power-base gets destroyed and that's in Book 9! After then he makes no unique contribution to the plot, so maybe just have him end there and let his "Shaisam" form contribute to more of an action scene at the end of the Winter's Heart portion. Or maybe sooner even, at Book 7's climax (with a powered-up return for the Book 9 climax). Or maybe even sooner than that. If "Mordeth" is going to stick around, he should be more important. I always enjoyed theorizing that he was Beidomon, one of the two drillers into the Bore which started the previous War of Power, who drops out of sight immediately and never factors into the story again.

@chriswhinery925

5 жыл бұрын

Book 6 has to be it's own season or at least be at the end of a book 5 season. Dumai's Wells is too perfect of a season finale to have it take place in the first 3rd of a season.

I agree with most of the points of the video, but I would add a reflexion about the characters. You've already mentioned the Forsaken, but The Wheel of Time is an epic and large story with not far than 2,200 characters (appeared or evoked). Game of Thrones cut a lot of good characters (like Arianne Martell or Victarion Greyjoy), thus it will be inevitable in the Wheel of Time. Besides secondary or tertiary characters among the Aiels, Aes Sedai, etc... Do you think important characters will be cut or merged ? I guess that Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve, Elayne, Moiraine, Lan will stay, but what about the others ? In my opinion Min and Aviendha are very important and cannot be removed, but maybe some characters among the 'semi-principal' will be suppressed. I think about Siuan, Faile, Tuon, Thom, Galad, Gawyn, etc... One or two could be cut, even more maybe?

the poly Rand 4 square needs to GOOO 🤮🤮. Really excited for this adaption mostly because of Rosamund Pike... she's pretty underrated in my opinion!

Cut all of book 10, the nadir of this series. Literally nothing happens.

@arcticstorm87

4 жыл бұрын

Some important things happen, but it could easily be 2 episodes.

Mat should say “blood and bloody ashes” about 20% less....

Interesting idea about cutting some of the Forsaken. Here's what I think: Lanfear, Graendal, Moghidien, Moridin, and Demandred are fantastic villains and HAVE to be in it. I'm pretty sure Asmodean has to be there and his role can't easily be absorbed by another Forsaken, so we'll keep him. Semirhage, Aginor, and Mesaana play important parts but are less interesting as characters. Either keep them with limited screen time, or let another Forsaken take over their role. Be'lal, Balthamel, Sammael, and Rhavin (if we're cutting Morgase plotline) really don't advance the plot in any way beyond just being an obstacle for our protagonist to destroy, and maybe that's enough of a reason to keep them so the interesting Forsaken aren't killed off before the end. IMO I think their roles should be given to Semirhage, Aginor, and Mesanna so we get good Forsaken fights as season finales without drastically changing the plotlines of the major Forsaken that have the most development.

I agree so hard on cutting Forsaken. They can so easily be combined and still be epic.