The high lords probably wanted to use traitor gene seed as some sort of blackmail if the minotaurs decided to disobey orders

@gabrielhinojosa3261

Жыл бұрын

That or keep it to just hold it over them as shame they shure fight like they have something to hide

@blingsing5383

Жыл бұрын

I love both those ideas

@marsmech

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking that. Do what we say or we'll tell every one your Iron warrior successor. What do think is going to happen when we tell every space marines chapter that we tried to see if we could redeem a traitor geneseed , but it turns out once a traitor always a traitor.

@donelkingii3738

Жыл бұрын

I could see that.

@DHBucsFan

Жыл бұрын

Do the Minotaurs really seem like they would be susceptible to blackmail though? I think they like taking orders from the High Lords, especially when it means they get to beat down other Space Marines and take their gear.

The Minotaurs being traitor stock makes perfect sense. They can never rebel or disobey orders. As soon as they stepped out of line, the High Lords can 'discover' their heritage and have them destroyed.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

Its said they are iron warriors so 1 iron warrior gene seed os the most stable and least likely to mutate 2 iron warriors are dutyful tenacous and tacticful Their good reason to use their gene seed

@tdlainc.4737

6 ай бұрын

@@demonic_myst4503 Minotaur's have abominations in their rank which are SM that became heavily mutated because of their edited geneseed.

@alexbrowne9566

Ай бұрын

So the first comment said a lot that is true but I'd like to add that apparently the Iron Warriors are amongst the most physically powerful and durable Astartes and can manifest as thunder warrior tier

I like to think a couple things: 1. Asterion Moloc is a perpetual. He is a massive space marine that "dies" over and over in fits of overconfident valour/violence, yet he keeps coming back, so its a possibility. 2. The Iron Warriors gene seed was chosen due to it's tendency to follow their duty to the bitter end, not question orders, and not care what those orders are. Iron warriors are the perfect gene seed for say... a chapter that needs to murder other (possibly loyal) marines that are deemed renegade by the high lords. 3. The Minotaurs are aware of their situation, and couldn't give less of a shit. They do their duty to the high-lords, play with their fancy relic toys that they get due to favouritism, and look down on other loyalist marines.

@damianwomack4668

Жыл бұрын

There is literally nothing in-lore hinting at Minotaurs being connected to Iron Warriors. The Thunder Warrior (descendants at least) theory makes the most sense when you read The Outcast Dead. The Minotaurs and TWs have way too many parallels for it to be pure coincidence. Same color scheme, chimeric gene-seed which the possible origins of is shown in The Outcast Dead, with that being done by an escaped Thunder Warrior whose personal heraldry is seemingly identical to the Minotaurs' chapter symbol. The distrust and animosity towards other marines also makes sense when you consider how the TWs felt towards the Astartes, being replaced by them and all.

I always liked the idea that a bunch of Loyalist Iron Warriors were offered redemption and a cover story in return for unquestioning loyalty to the High Lords. They were made to assume the identity of an extinct Chapter and given the best tech by the AdMech who they already had a close relationship with. They were loyal in the first place as they didn't want to follow Perturabo anymore. I'm sure the Decimation never sat well with a good deal of those who survived it. Makes total sense

@spookyghostwriter3110

Жыл бұрын

There is a known unit sized force of Iron Warriors (namely the 114th grand battalion) that roughly fits this picture. The 114th was a traitor force of about 6000 marines that was tossed into a heavy siege that saw 2/3 of their number dead and their leadership reduced to a disgraced and half-crippled marine. And then they were tossed at a forge world by the Alpha Legion and told that they couldn’t retreat (the alpha legion would blow them up from orbit if they tried). The 114th then turned (again), drove off the Alpha Legion, purged their own ranks, and went back to hunting traitors. No mention of the 114th exist past the Horus Heresy era.

@joelkurowski7129

Жыл бұрын

@@spookyghostwriter3110 this fits perfectly! It's officially part of my headcanon now lol

@spookyghostwriter3110

Жыл бұрын

@@joelkurowski7129 Some additional notes I forgot to mention: The 114th was not the only loyalist force active on the Forge World (named Mezoa if you want to do some reading) in question. A mismash of Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, and even some Imperial Fists were on the planet (though as far as astartes went the loyalists were outnumbered something like 9 to 1). Since the Alpha Legion force was routed, it remains plausible that much of their gene seed was left behind, which could also explain why Minotaurs gene seed is considered “chimeric” in nature.

@joelkurowski7129

Жыл бұрын

​@Spooky Ghost Writer I'd forgotten that fact about their gene seed. It's well-established that you can mix and match from different primarchs, so maybe they're a little bit of both

@Mikadobiscuits

Жыл бұрын

1 out of 10 iron warriors think decimation is bad idea

If i had a nickel for every space marine faction that looked really cool to me but had their coolness ruined by being attack dogs of a corrupt imperium faction, I’d have two nickels but it’s upsetting that it happened twice

@andyaknoby5007

4 ай бұрын

As a fan of the Exorcists...I feel you I really hope they scape the lash of they respective factions!

Gotta say the lack of info about these marines makes them fascinating to make theories about, but it's time to give them more lore. After all it's not every day that you see a space marine confidently wanting to take on a custodes... Any space marine knows that would be suicide in a 1v1 scenario. Moloc wasn't backed into a corner with no option but to fight Valerian, he was just willing to do it and that to me means he was sure about his chances, can't get anymore badass than that tbh!

@DHBucsFan

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love a wild card in the mix eh! Especially Space Marine wild cards!

@KellPerEX

10 ай бұрын

Welp, his datasheet back then was truly a murderous one. Boy was killing any chapter master on the table, none of regular marines stand chance against him.

@gpheonix1

10 ай бұрын

not only was moloc's swagger confident, it was valerian's confidence that was in question. It's the one single event that has made me a fan of the minotaurs. Personally, more of a fan of moloc.

The minotaurs deserve a few novels of their own. As well as some proper codex rules. Come on GW

@henrikandreason7261

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, really cool to have a shady loyalist chapter. Like they are absolutely good and loyal, but at the same time cross the lines almost a bit too many times like some sort of "covert government cover up force".

Cawl could have been dealing with the high lords as a back up to making him fabricator general of mars.

@michaelhowell2326

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? They have zero say in the declaration of a new Fabricator General. Even if the FG has a seat on the HL. I would think, anyway.

@nulatlas2137

Жыл бұрын

They probably made him give them early or first reinforcements, they would.have probably declared him heratek other wires

@Bardghost_Isu

Жыл бұрын

@@nulatlas2137 That would be my guess, Fabricator General used his position to force Cawl to supply the high lord's with some Primaris early on threat of being declared a heratek and all his work being destroyed. I wouldn't be shocked if Cawl was playing his own game in that move too, it would also explain why he so heavily cosied up to Guilliman on his return as it would be a way out of the FG's shit.

@tarektechmarine8209

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes Cawl the better than emperor person...

@nulatlas2137

Жыл бұрын

@@tarektechmarine8209 not really

Amusingly, the Minotaurs fit pretty well in my own head cannon with being a successor chapter to the 2nd Legion. I like to think that the 2nd Primarch was essentially immune to the Charisma of the Emperor, had no feelings of loyalty to him in any way (essentially the only Primarch who was indifferent to the Emperor), and his own Legion was similarly lacking of the feeling of loyalty to their "Father". So the remnants of the 2nd Legion would be a great legion for the High Lords to use for their own, since even if their Primarch was able to return, his Sons wouldn't flock back to him, like they could with pretty much every other Legion. About the biggest impediment is figuring out how the High Lords retained this knowledge even after the Emperor purged it from history. But if that could be worked out, then yeah, they'd fit pretty well with my view of the 2nd Legion.

@gadrielvanorion9872

Жыл бұрын

a good one, i like this

@blingsing5383

Жыл бұрын

I like this idea for the second primarch but something that’s worth noting is that the khan was not “charmed” by the emperor in the least neither was Angron and curze tried to rip out his own eyes on meeting him I can’t remember exactly how mortarion reacted but considering the circumstances I can imagine he wasn’t to different than those mentioned

@deepthroat6674

Жыл бұрын

​@@blingsing5383 What book can I read about Curze meeting Emps for the first time?

@christiandauz3742

Жыл бұрын

I thought the Minotaurs are Loyalist World Eaters

@dominusnox8231

Жыл бұрын

Ah, the missing aspect of the Emperor’s IDGAF. Excellent.

I really like the idea of the minators being something to do with the thunder warriors .

@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense for their hatred for traitor Astartes.

@tankster99

Жыл бұрын

Tbh it has more weight than them being custodies. It’s just not realistically possible. The custodies answer only to the emperor and would absolutely kill anyone who broke certain forbidden laws. I could see someone finding the body of a thunder warrior and getting enough genetic material to splice with traitor gene seed. I can’t see someone getting the secrets to create a custodies.

@johansmifthelry9307

Жыл бұрын

@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 not really. If anything they would hate loyal astartes more, considering they genocided the Thunder Warriors

@Dreadbringer

Жыл бұрын

​@@johansmifthelry9307 only daek angles and cuatidea

Thanks a lot for the Minotaurs videos this week! 🙏🙏🙏

My personal theory has often been, primarily due to their size, that the Minotaurs are Alpha Legion in origin(i.e. potentially loyal, but also potentially not so), yes they can fight and adopt which ever style they wish, but the travelling at chapter strenght and the perpetuating of certain names would certainly lend itself to that... alternatively they could be a blended geneseed I suppose, but I've always had Alpha legion feelings when I read about them.

FYI The Dark Angels were favored by the Emperor as well. During the great crusade they were always supplied directly from Terra. Only with the best and most powerful weapons at the imperium's disposal.

An observation regarding the Minotaurs. The Minotaurs Chapter Master responded to the head of the High Lords, both before Guilliman & after the upheaval of Guillimans reforms.

Desperately want the Minotaurs to be chimeric and/or using geneseed from one of the two lost legions. A legion that is literally an experimental and personal arm of the High Lords. Moloch being either a Custodes sworn to secrecy or the final Thunder Warrior would be amazing. Either of these things would explain a lot.

it seems fairly cut and dry. There was at some point a minotaur chapter, but they were either slain to their last by xenos or the high lords manipulations. Their armor and ships were recovered and refurbished, and a new chapter was made so the high lords could have a private military force to call on in emergencies or when chapters like the Astral Claws turned from the imperium

I would not be surprised if the Minotaurs turned out to be from World Eater or Iron Warriors loyalists. Maybe a hybridized mix of the two.

I would like to know who the original Minotaurs were, obviously the Minotaurs now have all been killed and replaced by the Alpha Legion.

@thalastianjorus

Жыл бұрын

This has been my favorite idea. That Asterion is simply Omegon/Alpharius. Hence being bigger than an average marine, and putting a Custodes on the back foot as to whether he could take him. It would be the perfect cover for helping the Imperium - taking over the name of an old, lost chapter. They all died out when their Monastery was destroyed - the Fleet Based Minotaurs are simply Alpha Legion.

@SirAtrox

Жыл бұрын

@@thalastianjorus plus with all the secrecy and access to who knows what the Minotaurs have, it would be the perfect cover for the Alpha Legion.

@reddragon4482

Жыл бұрын

@@thalastianjorus I like that a lot actually lol. I always wanted it to be loyalist world eaters but that idea sounds way better lol.

@sreed16

Жыл бұрын

@@thalastianjorus I believe Omegon and Alpharius were only as big as a normal Marine. The smallest of the Primarchs. The entire Legion with each Marine, could be one of the Primarchs at any one time.. or 500 times or at the very beginning.. 100,000 Omegons.

@thalastianjorus

Жыл бұрын

@@sreed16 Alpharius was the size of _his_ marines. The Alpha Legion are bigger than any other space marines. By a good deal. Alpharius is still almost 9 ½'.

I really wanna see what would happen if the Minotaurs found one of the Fallen. the Dark Angels do not let that slide, but the Minotaurs are the ones that could give them the most trouble.

The early primaris is the most telling part of all, either someone had accees to Cawls most secretive projects or Cawl was involved.

I wish to hear more stories about the doom legion. Incredibly cool chapter with very little info known

These dudes throttled my sweet caring Lamenters, to the eye with them.

Good stuff. I've been fascinated with the Custodes for a while now

I always thought Alpharius Molloch was an interesting character, myself.

@melosolmusic

Жыл бұрын

Minotaur dominatus

A few things to keep in mind. 1) Under the control of high lord's doesn't mean ALL high lords. It might be just a personal cooperation between mechanicus and munitirum representatives that the rest isn't aware of. 2. Their existence, early access to primaris and high tech equipment might point to them being a "bribe" for the high lord's given by mechanicus to keep the primaris project a secret all that time. 3. Valerian was a scholar but not an active political agent at the time. The vaults of knowledge on terra are massive. He might have simply never encountered or searched for that information. 4. It is almost impossible for inquisition not to know about the link between high lord's and minotaurs. Inquisition has their representative at high lord's and watches them very carefully after all.

I always assumed the traitor gene scene was a chimeric between Iron warriors and world eaters, which was a terrifying combination of cold, calculative killers and ruthless, blood pumped close range combatants. An interesting chimeric geneseed if you ask me

I want to see the Chapter "Panthers" fleshed out. It has so much potential in a book since cats like to fight one at a time in teams with Gaurilla tactics.

@claydud271

Жыл бұрын

aint they all killed ?

@brooklynkeith2877

Жыл бұрын

Eh they do have space marines that do wear camo and they act all gorilla doing sneeky tactics but they never took hold and also space marines dont hide they want the scum xenos to know who exactly it is that are killing them hence all the bright colors banners and flash. When your a super soldier in the image of the emperor camo seems kinda stupid just sayin lol

love the work u do wolf lord rho keep it up my friend

The Space Sharks are the counter balance to the Minotaurs. The High Lords attempt a coup, the Sharks murder everything, and someone shoves a jetbike up Abaddon's chute.

These books were SO good. Loved the inside look at the custodies and sisters of silence. How they had stagnated with the imperium and how they are trying to break out of that. Chris Wraight is best BL author I think

Such a great series I wish there was a 3rd book. Chris Wraight might be my favorite author I love how he writes Custodes which is my fav faction.

Thank you for your video

My own little Minotaurs conspiracy theory is that they came into being some time in/after M36 and they were founded in secret by the High Lords of Terra themselves in response to Goge Vandire's Reign of Blood or potentially by Vandire himself. I could see Vandire being proud and egomaniacal enough that he'd want his own genetics used for a chapter of Space Marines that'd be loyal to him and they just naturally transitioned back to being loyal to the High Lords after his death. Alternatively, the other High Lords could have seen the need for a chapter of Space Marines to serve them as directly as possible to either do their bidding or protect them in the event of conflict. Maybe they were founded with traitor gene seed because that's all they could get ahold of. Or maybe they were founded using the High Lords' own genetics, which had the appearance of non-standard, traitor gene seed since it didn't look like any of the legit loyalist gene seed.

@ryansauchuk7290

Жыл бұрын

From the highlords genes? Absolutely impossible. Astartes gene seed is derived from a Primarch which in turn is derived from the Emperor. Space Marines made from base line human would either be impossible or so woefully Inferior to what exists as to be useless

@sampoole-fg1sl

Жыл бұрын

Some random human can't have his genes used to make space marines. That's what the Primarchs were created for.

Wonder if asterions respawning is something similar to Eldar war suits taking on its original pilots personality when someone new dons the armor? Could be something

Video idea. Who has authority over who or a list of who has the higher authority. Like can the inquisition investigate the high Lords or grey knights etc

Love your work rho

I want the scene of the high lords meeting as usual, all smug and in walks a towering golden armoured custodes.. their reactions, and the intruige of the backroom discussions as a result that would be a great book.

I still believe it’s Arik Taranis 1. The combat style of Maloc is very similar to a Thunder Warrior, and his physical appearance is similar as well. 2. Arik would have no love for the Emperor and the Astartes, but he also wouldn’t be one to fall to chaos. 3. He would be so incredible old by this point, he would need robotic enhancements to stay alive. 4. We know Taranis survived past the HH, and I have to imagine he would take pleasure in hunting down Astartes.

And if you do a Tau week, please mention Ksi'm'yen. Its the world that got heavily infected by the genestealers, and suggests their ethereal Aun’ghol has been infected.

Rho! Please read The Outcast Dead before you do a Minotaur's week! It's so crucial to understanding their possible origins and it seems like almost no one has any idea about it!

@-Thunder-Warrior-

Жыл бұрын

This.

Not knowing about the minotaurs or ANY unit is a major security risk,

Regents Shadow might be my favorite 40k book.

If the circumstances of your existence are so mindboggingly dangerous that even the Inquisition doesn't know, if I was an Inquisitor, I'd want to steer WELL CLEAR of any of that xD

If the Custodes know about the Minotaurs, specifically that they operate at the behest of the High Lords, I could see the Custodes allowing it, but with requirements. The Custodes don't have a high opinion of the Astartes, which is in part due to Astartes goals not always aligning with the Imperium, and so BigE's. They couldn't leave Terra, until recently, to police this themselves, so knowing the High Lords were keeping the Astartes in check by using their own personal Astartes would have made sense, when they didn't have Custodes to do it let them have the second best choice. BUT, the Custodes would also be highly aware that the High Lords weren't always on the same hymn sheet either. Now while they could keep tabs on the High Lords themselves on Terra, a High Lords Army wandering around would be harder to keep track of. So I could see them going, look you can have your own Chapter to further and protect the Imperiums interests, but that's a lot of power for you to have, so we're going to need oversight, in the form of the Chapter Master being a Custode. He will follow your orders, so long as he doesn't see them putting the Emperor at risk. Could maybe even be tied into the Custodes that become Eyes of the Emperor, one or more of them go to the Minotaurs to lead/train/watch them. Let's face it, a Custode on his off day 1v1 is likely better than any other Warrior in the Imperium, bar a Primarch, but let's face it when the Minotaurs were setup no one thought they'd see Primarchs again.

I have the a feeling the Minotaurs are gonna f around and find out when the Lion makes it to Terra. They will think he’s like G and pay for it.

I want more info on 2 things with the Minotaurs; 1. What is Asterion.... is he a custom custodian commissioned by the high lords to have unflinching loyalty to them, or is he just another astartes that is just better than everyone else? and 2. Just how big is the Daedelos Krata compared to other vessels? A heavy assault carrier is only mentioned one other time, but it doesn't describe their size, armament, or capabilities.

@alexv1387

Жыл бұрын

How about 1: He's Alpharius/Omegon (whoever survived of the two) and 2: it's a big boy, probably just shy of a full battleship

@nbr3795

Жыл бұрын

"It was colossal. It was gigantic. Only Phalanx was bigger, but this thing was uglier, harder, grimier. Its engines burned with an angry, golden flame. Its flanks were of burnished bronze, marked with stripes of black and red. Gigantic cannon emplacements disfigured its already crabbed outline. There was no artistry to that thing’s construction, just a raw, bloody aggression. It had been made to slaughter, built back in a forgotten age when our species had been frighteningly good at it. For a moment, I thought that its heavy prow was actually bloodstained, before it emerged more fully into view, exposing yet more weapon arrays, yet more killing potential, yet more destructive energy. Even its movements were ominous, a swagger that spoke of an infinite, unquenchable, arrogant brutality." Daedelos Krata arrival above terra. It was bigger than Exelsis Cruor, an Emperor-class Battleship that at the time was also above Terra.

I love the Minotaurs! Pleaseeee give us a Minotaurs week :) Now this may be old retconned more but didn’t the lamenters butcher a bunch of them during some fight?

@captainflapjax7240

Жыл бұрын

You got it backwards mate, Lamenters were butchered

The Minotaurs are one of my favourite chapters! I like the mystery surrounding them, and their true origins and loyalties. One thing that cannot be questioned is their effectiveness! Worth mentioning re: the theory that their Chapter Master is a surviving Thunder Warrior; a) I'd never actually heard that before this video, and b) seems very unlikely given that the Thunder Warriors were quite flawed, and prone to genetic shortfalls which made them very, very prone to death by natural causes - one of the reasons why the Emperor had them purged. c) ‎Asterion Moloc also seems much more shrewd and calculating than a Thunder Warrior. I really enjoyed Watchers of the Throne, and given that there is no "good guys" in WH40K, I liked having a good foil to Guilliman, and to Valerian. While the Minotaurs can be described as a Loyalist Chapter, just who exactly they are loyal to is a matter of interpretation. I see them as a wild card, and would love to see them in more storylines moving forward.

They could be lost Primarch Geneseed. Which is a loophole because they are technically not traitor and would allow Cawl to test his primaris tech with no real restriction because they shouldn't exist anyways. Also the High Lord's wouldn't have to worry about the call of thier Genefather.

I think they are Iron Hands that under went the protocol that allows them to be brought back from the dead (can't remember the story I read that in) and are lead by an Iron Father.

Whatever the Minotaurs origin and motivation, I suspect the Lion will take a decidedly dim view of them. That won’t end well for them.

One theory about the Minotaur's was they were initially created during the time of War of the False Primarch or the Nova Terra Interregnum. As the High Lords wanted a Space Marines Chapter loyal to them that was designed from the outset to destroy disloyal Space Marines/Chapters and other Imperial forces. The reason for the secrecy was the scandal especially from the original legion chapters of the High Lords questioning the loyalty of original loyalist Chapters. Since the High Lords saw the need to create the Minotaur's. I also would say the Minotaur's are combination of Iron Warriors and Death Guard, possibly with World Eater too.

I wonder what will happen should Asterian Moloch meet the Lion and his fallen.

@grtdrmmrs

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious actually with how he’s gonna handle the high lords of terra or truthfully how they’re gonna handle the lion.

@luizhenriquealves9755

Жыл бұрын

@@grtdrmmrs Or how the lion will handle them

These guys rock so much

Has there ever been an explanation how exactly Cawl/Robbie G assigned primaries marines to chapters that don't know their gene seed origin? There are lots of chapters listed as "unknown origin" yet were given primaris during the IC. I could understand them being taught how to make them so they are from the same primarch, but to give them to chapters of unknown lineage makes no sense.

@BM-wf9uf

Жыл бұрын

I don't know but they way I've interpreted the lore is that it was on a needs basis. The chapters suffering most had priority. I'm not sure if there was any deeper planning involved.

@Maulkin82

Жыл бұрын

@@BM-wf9uf I believe Poet means mixing legions like if a chapter of unknown lineage was given Blood Angel Primaris they would have no idea about the Black Rage or Red Thirst. We would have to assume that chapters of unknown lineage were given Primaris from the more stable legions. At least in some cases the problem solves itself because more than one chapter would suicide mission their Grey Shield Primaris and then convert / raise new ones from within the chapter using the tech provided by the IC.

"in the aftermath" is supposed to be associated with a disaster, not a good news like guilli coming back and bringing the primaris

I read that book I think seen a near the end confirms the High Lord's connection to them when the new of the administration whisper something in the the chapter master's ear and he took his warriors and left.

If the chimeric mix is iron warrior and world eater it would explain the archaic aesthetic and ball busting violence en masse . Both varieties are known for outsize marines too.

Stocked for a Minotaurs week

I think the Minataurs are a test bed chapter for the Hight Lords. Then all the rumors would make sense. They make some Thunder Warriors to se it they came be controles and are better than Space Marines. Marines with an expiration date would give them a form of control. They would use different gene seed to se if they can get a chapter that is only loyal to them and not some lost primarch. Loyal, traitor or redacted it would matter as long as they get what they want. Same with primaris marines, who would they be loyal to? It would be surprising if they have be purge a couple of times without any record of it. It would also explain why the deploy in full chapter strength, as they can afford some rough element to go unobserved.

brother Rho i have a question do we have any lore on haegr the mountain

Really started to like the Minotaurs uh...less than a year ago. I love the idea that their bankrolled by the high Lord's of Terra. Also that they can replace Marines faster due to the heavy use of implanting memories. Asterion might be a downloaded template that can be put on any marine. 😀

Lol. Valerian always read like Kitten's number one fan

You would think Gulliman would of kicked their ass by now for not being loyal to emps. Now, I would be very shocked if Lion doesn't, why bring back one of the most loyal sons for him not to destroy the unloyal?

I like the idea of the Minotaurs were space marine made geneseed but with the Thunder Warriors template. Making them stronger than the average space marines

Space Marines can pass knowledge down between themselves by eating the brain of the last chapter master, Molock can easily live on as such through each marine after him with his knowledge and skill as well as the skill of those gained as him, it’s not often that space marines each others brains, the only chapter to my memory to do this was the Blood Angels pre Sanginius.

Here are some things to think about. The Minotaurs are awesome, the War Hounds were awesome. The Minotaurs are super loyal to the Imperium via the High Lords, the War Hounds would have been super loyal to the Imperium via the High Lords. The Minotaurs don't get along with other chapters because a. The other chapters are weak and b. The Minotaurs might have to butcher those weaklings. The War Hounds didn't get along with the other legions because the other legions were weak. Since the Minotaurs lack fluffy glorious beards I don't think they have Space Wolf gene seed. These well founded and superior observations leave one conclusion. Minotaurs=War Hounds=awesome 😎.

@user-ew3dm1jq6j

Жыл бұрын

Your post is amusing, but it made my day. I like it. 👍

The Red Scorpions crusades would be intresting

I would like to know what they think of the chapter the brazen Minotaur’s seen in the raven guard books and are there any links between the chapters

Valoris knows. Now we even know who is the master of Minotaurs.

When the blood angels were the revenants from Terra they had a leader that would die then come back. I don’t recall the name. I wonder if the Minotaurs are doing the same thing.

There is also the possibility that Molock is something similar to Ishidur Ossuros (the master of the Ninth before Sanguineous)

@michaelhowell2326

Жыл бұрын

What does that mean?

@mersenniusprime

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelhowell2326 The Blood Angels used to ritually eat their own dead. In the case of their legion master, his successor would eat his entire body, assuming his name, all his memories, and his skills. It was how they managed to maintain continuity of command, despite both an appallingly high rate of attrition and not having a primarch.

@chrispilkington8662

Жыл бұрын

@merseniusprime not just the legion master but that was a more extreme case basically any promotion involved eating the brain and assuming the name. Hence the Revenant Legion

Personally it seems not fully exploring certain bits of lore is strength of WH40K. The mystery gives lore channels ways to expand and come up with better lore that even GW couldn’t think of .

Everyone thinks that the HighLords take forever resupplying and making big things happen, but for there own pocket chapter i would imagine they get there gear and arms ASAP no contest

I think the Minotaurs getting first access to primaris is a massive stretch. Guiliman turns up with Cawl in tow and suddenly the High Council is call the shots as to where the new Primaris are going!!! Come on!

I prefer heresy era Iron Hands or Storm walkers stock. They have the Medusa's scales hardness. Immortals may have some mods from other lines yet the admechs like the 10ths Gene code.

I wouldn't doubt it.

“The Minotaurs have come to Terra”

I always seen them as secret loyalist World Eaters. I think they suit that the best considering the asthetic they have too, aswell as they're fighting style.

@gnobblarthehouseneger2646

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I think they're Emperor's Children, because the Minotaurs are sexy

👍 Love the Minotaur's

What if the primarch of 2nd legion or 11th legion were never truly destroyed but hided away.Theres been hint that emperor foresaw the heresy,so maybe one of the erased legions were planned as counter measure againts traitor legions

Maybe they’re belisarius cawls private marines

They wanted a chapter with loyalty to them and not the imperium

As far as I remember the minotaurs even use weapons similar to the guardian spears of the custodes

@Docktavion

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Molocs Spear “the black spear” Was supposedly once used by a custodies, a close combat spear with a single use las blast. Not sure of any other guys using old custodies equipment. Imperial armour book 12- fall of orpheus

I love minotaurs they are my favourite

Something to consider, Minotaurs are in fact Omegon and the loyal Alpha Legion 🤔

What if the mentors are based off the surviving veteran Astartes that Rogal Dorn used at the siege of terra. Garro, Loken etc he had 200. Not sure yet how many died

Absolutely love the Minotaurs

It’s not like the custodians have played dumb before. I’d go so far as to say Trajan has plants inside of the Minotaurs, or Guiliman. Hence they’re quick supply of primaris.

Their chapter sigil looks like Angron now. Lol

Hot Take: their gene seed is that of Thunder warriors.

My head cannon for the Minotaurs having primaris marines before anyone is, that since they have the confidence and trust of the high lords, they were selected as the trial chapter for primaris integration. They would have no problems slaughtering their primaris reinforcements.

Doubt he's a Thunder Warrior, as they were prone to medically/mentaly break down. He could be a TW that got some kind of treatments, but I think it'd be cool if he was a Custode that was engineered to be loyal to the High Lords. They'd have the pull and resources to create one of what the Emp made thousands of, if they recovered the info on how to.

FIRST COMMENT WOLF LORD RHO IS SHOWING MY IRON BOYS IN BRONZE THE LOVE THEY DESERVE

I bet their urge to yell out "Iron Within! Iron Without!!!" is almost unbearable for some of them lmao 🤣🤣

Not surprised. They’ve had some tunnel vision problems before.

Valerian wonders how the Minotaurs have primaris. The letters G, then W come to mind, a 4th wall breaking, things start making sense. Everything since the Fall of Cadia doesn't add up but these two letters. G. W. A 4th wall crumbling... Then suddendly he is hit from behind. Belisarius Cawl is standing there holding a "Metagun". Valerian is confused. He is hit again. Everything goes black. Valerian wakes up. He had a weird dream again but he ignores it as he returns to his duties.

Does anyone know if there is going to be a third book in this series?

@justinLaw5

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I hope so, but it would be outside of Terra

@Wraithlord-fp5lh

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@Jesús Revette Aleya, let loose on the galaxy would be hilarious.

@justinLaw5

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@@Wraithlord-fp5lh hunting what I suspect was a cult to tzeench

Isn’t the night lord’s gene seed one of the purest?

They likely are from Cawl and use traitor geneseed. Maybe Alpha Legion OR they are a mixture of ALL the traitor geneseed.