Current Shugden issue

Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941)
On pages 471-2 front and back of the Tibetan text of the biography of Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941) composed by his student Denma Losang Dorje and published by the Nyimo Publisher Palden, the following account is found:
"(Here is) an appeal from me, Phabongkhapa, holding the name of an incarnate, in accordance with an instruction that I have received from you through Tse Khendron Chenmo. (I am glad that) you have received my application of 22nd of the 12th month last year, and I am grateful that you have kindly clarified each and every point therein. It was entirely my mistake and I have absolutely nothing to say (to defend it). It will be my endeavour in the future to take the meaning of your instructions earnestly to heart and I ask your forgiveness for whatever mistakes I have made in my appeal."
Phabongkhapa quotes the Dalai Lama's letter: "With regard to the three points mentioned here, there is still much ground for debate, both in logical and scriptural terms, but this is enough for the time being. With regard to your reference to making endeavour in the practice of taking refuge, first of all you are propitiating Shugden (Dolgyal) as a protector. Since they received Lamrim teachings from you at the Drepung Monastic Religious Centre last year and so made a connection with you, propitiation of Shugden among students there has greatly increased. The Great Nechung Choegyal who from the very beginning was commanded and entrusted to protect and guard this monastery, expressed his displeasure to the Drepung Lachi several times, saying that (due to propitiating Dolgyal) the degeneration of the Buddha dharma had been speeded up. This is the source of his displeasure. I feel that your seeking the support of a wrathful worldly spirit (to secure benefits in) this life specifically contradicts the precepts of taking refuge. Therefore, your statement, ‘I want to say from the depths of my heart that it is only due to my being confused by ignorance and not that I have knowingly entered an unwholesome path and led others onto the same path.’ is contradictory."
Phabongkhapa answers: "You have therefore instructed me to give you an answer. I have propitiated Shugden until now because my old mother told me that Shugden is the deity of my maternal lineage. I wish to inform you that henceforth, with intense regret (for what is past) and (with the intention of) restraining my faults (in the future), I will never again propitiate (Shugden) or make daily offerings and supporting prayers and that I will wholeheartedly keep this commitment in the core of my heart. Whatever mistakes I have committed until now, such as having become a cause for the mental displeasure of the Great Nechung Choegyal, contradicting the precepts of taking refuge and so forth, I request you, the supreme protector, who is especially compassionate to the lowly, to regard me with love and great compassion and patiently to forgive me.
With great respect I here offer one silk scarf as a medium of request and five silver coins (to contribute to the) mandala offering.

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  • @nayalama4822
    @nayalama48223 жыл бұрын

    i absolutely agree with you....i am in your support

  • @tamdintsepel1
    @tamdintsepel19 жыл бұрын

    I would like to say thank you so much for ur time to explain about this!!! Please upload more n more!!! LONG LIVE HIS HOLINESS DALAI LAMA 🙏🙏 khabsu chey

  • @lobsangchoedar1124
    @lobsangchoedar11244 жыл бұрын

    Sir i am big big support to u nd long life dalai lama .

  • @pemadolma2126

    @pemadolma2126

    Ай бұрын

    Thupten Thokme La very true said 💯 agreed 👍 thanks and oftenly advice them as they're our brothers l am hoping they will change 🙏 their mind and remove and wash the sin , Now on, please 🙏 don't continuely to blame our Guru his holiness, think deeply Otherwise after death you can't gets the ways of NARAp.Please. brother and sisters bring the change 🙏 in your mind and Our grateful Guru happily Blessed you Specially Thanking you Thokme la too soft voice with low, hopping your advice can bring change in them thank you

  • @singapore6529
    @singapore65292 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much 👍👏

  • @yeshitsering8041
    @yeshitsering80419 жыл бұрын

    I wish to god,each n evey word of u may b heard broardly to even single ones who has got a doubt whether this dhoegyel is right or wrong examining thoroughly.sir,u r an inspiration for all.long live H.Holiness.maygod give them right path n b united for our very common cause

  • @tibetanphoser
    @tibetanphoser9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you and many tashi deleck from Germany.

  • @nanjordolkar1714
    @nanjordolkar17143 ай бұрын

    བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས ཧ་ལས་པ་གསུངས་སོང་བཀའ་དྲིན་ཆེ།།🙏🙏🙏

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Trichen Ngawang Chokdhen (1677-1751) From page 67 of the biography of Trichen Ngawang Chokdhen (1677-1751) composed by Changkya Rolpai Dorje (1717-1786): Previously, a very vicious and evil spirit (it is not specifically stated that the spirit is Dholgyal, but it is clear from Changkya's biography that the spirit referred to is Dholgyal. It also refers to the time when Trichen Ngawang Chokdhen was the Ganden Throne-holder,) possessed a man at Draksep. Some unstable lamas, former abbots, and monastic hostels (khangtsens) did practice in relation to it simply by invoking and propitiating it. A cairn for invoking spirits had also been erected on top of the Jangtse mountain. Considering how inappropriate was this turn of events he issued an edict to the assembly of monks that as there had been no tradition of propitiating worldly spirits and protectors within the premises of this seat of learning since the time of Je Tsongkhapa, henceforth, nobody would be allowed to engage in such activities. The cairn was demolished (this is very clearly stated in the biography of Changkya) and the stones and earth were returned to the places from which they had been taken. The spirit was invoked through a medium in trance and was then ordered not to come through such trances henceforth. Dolgyal replied, "If this is the order of Tri Rinpoche, I have no choice but to leave." Then, the ghostly spirit fled to Taktse Shol. Je (Trichen Ngawang Chokdhen) himself went into retreat. He made it a rule that the prayer to Dharmaraja composed by the Omniscient Gendun Gyatso (the second Dalai Lama), should be said in the Main Hall of Ganden. Due to Dharmaraja's wrath, the Lamas and former abbots who had been propitiating the spirit were killed and the monastic hostels also suffered many misfortunes. Consequently, such misdeeds entirely ceased and the action that had been taken became an excellent cause for maintaining the purity of the monastery.

  • @SoneGyane
    @SoneGyane9 жыл бұрын

    You are doing Great Job... Keep Going on... Thank you Free Tibet.

  • @lhundupsherab5677
    @lhundupsherab56772 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Thupten Thokmey la

  • @ZangpoDorjee
    @ZangpoDorjee9 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate your personal initiative of espounding the truth.Thanks Thupten Thokmey la

  • @gompoleksang1478
    @gompoleksang14789 жыл бұрын

    Gen.....Thupten Thokmey lak....deeply from my heart thanks ur beautiful info...Its help me lots...Long Live H.H Dalai Lama.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for supporting and very appreciated! Today I have uploaded 4 different videos on Shugden issue.

  • @tenzindhaka2734
    @tenzindhaka27343 жыл бұрын

    Well said 👏

  • @MsShedy
    @MsShedy9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you from depth of my heart for speaking out the silence and the tolerance of us tibetan 99.999%.. I h

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Thukan Lobsang Choekyi Nyima (1737-1802) On page 446 of volume Ka, Zhol edition, of the Collected Works of the great Gelugpa scholar, Thukan Lobsang Choekyi Nyima (1737-1802) , which was reprinted in 1969 in New Delhi, the following account is found of (a conversation between) Changkya Rolpai Dorje (1717-1786) and his student Thukan Lobsang Choekyi Nyima: Reaching the site of the cairn to Machen, he explains in detail to Thukan Lobsang Choekyi Nyima as follows: "Je Lama (Tsongkhapa) and his students do not propitiate worldly gods and protectors and hence even the cairn of Machen, the god of his birthplace, is not included within the parameter of the circumambulatory (path at Ganden). (However,) in the past some Ganden Throne Holders propitiated Dolgyal (Shugden) and experienced misfortunes, consequently Tri Chen Dorje Chang dismantled Dolgyal's image and shrine and banished it from the monastery.”

  • @dawachaglo1110
    @dawachaglo11109 жыл бұрын

    SO PLZZ. FOLLOW UP HH BHUDHA'S ADVICE AND HH TENZIN GYATSO ADVICE

  • @Fellingroove
    @Fellingroove9 жыл бұрын

    very well explained genla...thank u very much

  • @norbudamdul7735
    @norbudamdul77353 жыл бұрын

    Very nice 👌 guy

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    "དོལ་རྒྱལ་གྱི་གནས་ཚུལ་འདི་ཕར་ཕྱོགས་ནས་རྒྱ་ནག་གུང་ཁྲན་ཏང་གིས་རྒྱབ་སྐྱོར་བྱེད་ཡུལ་ཞིག་ཆགས་ཏེ་ཆེད་མངགས་ལས་འགུལ་སྤེལ་གྱི་ཡོད་པར་བརྟེན། ང་ཚོ་ཚུར་ཕྱོགས་ནས་དེ་ལུགས་ཀྱི་ཡིད་གཟབ་བྱེད་དགོས་པ་ཡིན། ཤེས་སོང་ངམ། དེའི་བྱུས་གཏོགས་༸རྒྱལ་བ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་མི་གཅིག་ལ་འཁྲིས་པས་༸རྒྱལ་བ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཤོད་དུ་བཅུག ང་ཚོ་ལ་བྱུས་གཏོགས་མེད་བསམས་ནས་བསྡད་ན་འགྲིག་གི་མ་རེད། ཤེས་སོང་ངམ། ང་རང་ལོ་ ༧༦ ལ་སླེབས་སོང་། ངའི་ཚེ་ལྷག་གི་མི་ཚེ་སྐྱིད་པོའི་ངང་བསྐྱལ་རྒྱུ་ཡིན། སྡུག་ན་ཁྱེད་རང་ཚོ་སྡུག་གི་རེད། ང་ཤི་རྗེས་ཟང་ཟིང་མང་པོ་བྱུང་ན་ང་ལ་གྱོང་རག་རྒྱུ་གང་ཡང་མེད། ཤེས་སོང་ངམ།"

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your support!

  • @user-dw1gj7wg6d
    @user-dw1gj7wg6d6 ай бұрын

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  • @tenzinnorbu9606
    @tenzinnorbu96069 жыл бұрын

    ༄།དགེ་བཤེས་ཐོག་མེད་ལགས་ཡག་པོ་གསུངས་སོང་བཀའ་དྲིན་ཆེ།

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @ngawangyeshi6895
    @ngawangyeshi6895Ай бұрын

    ❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉

  • @JOHN-pk8zc
    @JOHN-pk8zc9 жыл бұрын

    thanks very much. i like you man. am again telling you are my fan.

  • @tenzinkalsang9664
    @tenzinkalsang96645 жыл бұрын

    Lovely speech thank you

  • @user-dw1gj7wg6d
    @user-dw1gj7wg6d2 ай бұрын

    ❤❤❤,❤❤

  • @tenzinpema7940
    @tenzinpema79402 жыл бұрын

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Hi Desert Pig, I think you should read Robert Thurman's article about Shugden issue. Than you will learn something. Thanks.

  • @tashibhutia170
    @tashibhutia1708 жыл бұрын

    very very nice speech... long live his holiness the dalai lama

  • @ngawangjangchup8782
    @ngawangjangchup87829 жыл бұрын

    thank you very much for your kindness speech to those who follow dorjee shuk

  • @yingritibaten5076
    @yingritibaten50763 ай бұрын

    བདེན་པ་བདེན་ཀྱང་གསུང་སོང་ངོ་

  • @gangri7777
    @gangri77774 жыл бұрын

    Good

  • @kunchokgyatso8643
    @kunchokgyatso86439 жыл бұрын

    We all are so proud of you Sir, Thupten Thokmey. Thanks you. Long live His Holiness 14th Dalai lama

  • @ngawangyeshi5985
    @ngawangyeshi59852 жыл бұрын

    ཐུགས་རྗེ་གནང་

  • @ndolmadolma6391
    @ndolmadolma63912 жыл бұрын

    🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍🌼

  • @pemadolma2126
    @pemadolma2126Ай бұрын

    Where is my comment show it please media

  • @nagapalace671
    @nagapalace6719 жыл бұрын

    thank you

  • @sonam74sonam74
    @sonam74sonam749 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @namdol1
    @namdol19 жыл бұрын

    thank you thupten thokmey

  • @jampasamphel4703
    @jampasamphel47035 жыл бұрын

    I proud of you sir..... Long live his holiness the 14th Dalai Lama....God bless you sir

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Yes I am! Thanks for asking!

  • @lobsangpalden252

    @lobsangpalden252

    3 жыл бұрын

    ད་བཤད་མ་འདུག ཁྱེད་སྐུ་མདུན་ལ་དད་པ་ཡོད་མཁན་ཞིག་ཡིན་ནམ་བསམ་འོང་གི། གང་ཡིན་ཞུས་ན་བོད་ནང་ལ་འཁྲུགས་ཐེབ་ཡ་མང་པོ་བཤད་སྡད་འདུག་་གི་འདུག ཡིད་བཞིན་ནོར་བུའི་ཕྱག་ལས་མཛད་པ་གང་ག་རང་གི་རིས་སུ་བཅད་ནས་བཤད་སྡད་ན་སྐུ་མདུན་མར་འཐེན་འོང་གི་འདུག

  • @Getoplama
    @Getoplama2 жыл бұрын

    Watch his body language and his words

  • @dawachaglo1110
    @dawachaglo11109 жыл бұрын

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  • @choetenkarpo8979
    @choetenkarpo89799 жыл бұрын

    ཐུགས་བསྟན་ཐོག་མེད་ལ་བཀྲིས་བདེ་ལེགས་མང་པོ་ཡོད

  • @user-dw1gj7wg6d
    @user-dw1gj7wg6d2 ай бұрын

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  • @Tenzingmyself
    @Tenzingmyself9 жыл бұрын

    Thupten thokmey! U r the best! N they have no answer whatsoever ! U analysis r marvellous n fantastic! U just whacked the idiots!

  • @phurbulhamo2815
    @phurbulhamo28157 жыл бұрын

    ཧ་ཅང་བཟང་

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    རྒྱབ་སྐྱོར་གནང་བར་སྙིང་ཐག་པ་ནས་ཐུགས་རྗེ་ཆེ་

  • @tseringdorjee2995
    @tseringdorjee29959 жыл бұрын

    We Tibetan in this world more then 99% listening your truth full voice which against Shugten few follower . And Thankyou so much to let us to know. LONG LIVE HHThe 14th DL,

  • @rajutashi1821
    @rajutashi18219 жыл бұрын

    Perfect explanation for ignorant people who are present day Dhud Lhachen. We have ignored them for many years and even our present government has pressurized us in the past about not to speak anything against shugden when media comes to ask in our community. I was told few times that don't touch the issue by any individuals. I said even few times that if we are not allow to say anything about the fact, are we leaving entire responsibility on His Holiness? But now we see many blunt mistakes. The shugden groups hired some westerners to make character assesination of His Holiness and trying their best to defame His Holiness. This initiative is bold and we do support you.

  • @phurbulhamo2815
    @phurbulhamo28157 жыл бұрын

    wow keep continue

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    འདས་པའི་ལོ་སུམ་བརྒྱ་བཞི་བཅུ་བརྒལ་བའི་རིང་རྩོད་པ་ཅན་དུ་གནས་པའི་དང་པོའི་རྐྱེན་རྩ་ྋགོང་ས་ལྔ་པ་ཆེན་པོ་དང་མ་འགྲིགས་པ་ཡོད་པ་འདི་ཡིན་པ་ཧ་ཅང་གསལ་པོ་ཡིན། ྋགོང་ས་ལྔ་པ་ཆེན་པོའི་རྣམ་ཐར་དུ་ཀཱུ་ལའི་གོས་བཟང་ནང་དོལ་རྒྱལ་ལ་བསྲེགས་པ་མེའི་ལས་སྦྱོར་མཛད་པ་དང༌། དེའི་སྐབས་གཟུ་དཔང་ཞིག་ཀྱང་མཛད་པ་ཡིན་ཞེས་འཁོད་འདུག གཟུ་དཔང་དེ་ྋགོང་ས་ལྔ་པ་ཆེན་པོའི་གསུང་འབུམ་ད་པའི་ནང་བསྲུང་མའི་གསོལ་མཆོད་ཀྱི་སྡེ་ཚན་ཞིག་ཡོད་པ་དེའི་ནང་ཧ་ཅང་གསལ་པོ་འདུག དེའི་འགོ་བརྗོད་ནང་སྨོན་ལམ་ལོག་པའི་དམ་སྲི་ཞེས་ཐག་བཅད་ནས་གསུངས་པ་དང༌། སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་གྲགས་པ་རྒྱལ་མཚན་དེ་ཡང་པཎ་ཆེན་བསོད་ནམས་གྲགས་པའི་ཡང་སྲིད་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་བསོད་ནམས་དགེ་ལེགས་དཔལ་བཟང་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་མིན་པ་ཐག་བཅད་ནས་གསུངས་དོན། གད་ཁའི་སའི་ལགས་ཨ་རྒྱལ་གྱི་འཕྲུལ་ལ་བརྟེན་ནས་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་བསོད་ནམས་དགེ་ལེགས་དཔལ་བཟང་གི་སྐུ་སྐྱེ་བརྫུས་མ་ལམ་དུ་སོང་བ་སྨོན་ལམ་ལོག་པའི་དམ་སྲིར་གྱུར་ཏེ། འགྲོ་བ་མང་པོར་གནོད་ཚབས་ཆེས་པར་བསྲེགས་པ་མེའི་ལས་སྦྱོར་མཛད་སྐབས་བརྩམས་པ་ཡིན་ཞེས་གསུངས་འདུག དེ་ལྟར་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་གྲགས་པ་རྒྱལ་མཚན་པཎ་ཆེན་བསོད་གྲགས་ཀྱི་ཡང་སྲིད་བསོད་ནམས་དགེ་ལེགས་དཔལ་བཟང་གི་ཡང་སྲིད་མིན་པ་དང༌། རྗེས་སུ་སྨོན་ལམ་ལོག་པའི་དམ་སྲིར་སྐྱེས་པ་ྋརྒྱལ་བ་ལྔ་པ་ཆེན་པོས་ཐག་བཅད་གནང་འདུག

  • @nakatsang7102
    @nakatsang71027 жыл бұрын

    དཔའ་བོ་རེད།

  • @lamatenzinha
    @lamatenzinha9 жыл бұрын

    kubpa

  • @tintinlol7881

    @tintinlol7881

    9 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate the courage of this brother to speak up for the truth. Keep up this good job. We are with you. Thank you!

  • @sherab_toronto

    @sherab_toronto

    9 жыл бұрын

    You ignorance

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    ཡང་མི་ཕལ་པ་ཚོའི་ནང་ལ་རྒྱལ་ཆེན་གསོལ་ན་ཚོང་ལམ་འགྲོ་ཡག་པོ་ཡོང་གི་རེད་ཟེར་མཁན་འདུག དེ་ལྟས་ངན་རེད། དེ་ཚོའི་གྲས་དེ་ཡག་པོ་མ་རེད། སྡིག་གྲོགས་རེད། གུང་ཐང་བླ་མས་གསུངས་པ་བཞིན། ལྷ་ཀླུ་གཞི་བདག་ནང་ནས་རྒྱུ་དངོས་སྤྲོད་མཁན་དེ་སྡིག་པའི་གྲོགས་པོ་ཡིན་པ་ལས་གང་ཡང་མ་རེད། བྱམས་སྙིང་རྗེ་བྱང་ཆུབ་སེམས་གོང་ནས་གོང་དུ་འཕེལ་བ་ལ་ཕན་ཐོགས་བྱེད་མཁན་བྱུང་ན་ཡག་པོ་རེད། མི་དང༌། ལྷ་ཀླུ་གཞི་བདག བཙན་དང་རྒྱལ་པོ་གང་ཞིག་ཡིན་ཡང་མི་ཚེ་འདི་གའི་དོན་དག་ལ་གྲོགས་དང་འཕྲིན་ལས་སྤྲོད་མཁན་དེ་སྙིང་རྗེའི་ཡུལ་ཡིན་པ་ལས་གཞན་གང་ཡང་མིན། དེ་འདྲ་བྱས་ན་རི་བོ་དགེ་ལྡན་པའི་ཞབས་འདྲེན་རེད། རྗེ་བླ་མ་ཙོང་ཁ་པ་ཆེན་པོའི་ལེགས་བཤད་རྨད་དུ་བྱུང་བ་དེ་དག་བདག་པོ་རྒྱག་མཁན་མི་གཅིག་གིས་རྗེ་རིན་པོ་ཆེས་གཉེར་དུ་གཏད། བཀའ་བསྒོས་པའི་མགོན་པོ་ཕྱག་དྲུག་དང༌། དམ་ཅན་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་གྱིས་ཕན་མ་ཐོགས་པར་ལྷ་གསར་མི་གསར་ཞིག་བསྟེན་པ་དེ་ཞབས་འདྲེན་རེད།

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941) On pages 471-2 front and back of the Tibetan text of the biography of Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941) composed by his student Denma Losang Dorje and published by the Nyimo Publisher Palden, the following account is found: "(Here is) an appeal from me, Phabongkhapa, holding the name of an incarnate, in accordance with an instruction that I have received from you through Tse Khendron Chenmo. (I am glad that) you have received my application of 22nd of the 12th month last year, and I am grateful that you have kindly clarified each and every point therein. It was entirely my mistake and I have absolutely nothing to say (to defend it). It will be my endeavour in the future to take the meaning of your instructions earnestly to heart and I ask your forgiveness for whatever mistakes I have made in my appeal." Phabongkhapa quotes the Dalai Lama's letter: "With regard to the three points mentioned here, there is still much ground for debate, both in logical and scriptural terms, but this is enough for the time being. With regard to your reference to making endeavour in the practice of taking refuge, first of all you are propitiating Shugden (Dolgyal) as a protector. Since they received Lamrim teachings from you at the Drepung Monastic Religious Centre last year and so made a connection with you, propitiation of Shugden among students there has greatly increased. The Great Nechung Choegyal who from the very beginning was commanded and entrusted to protect and guard this monastery, expressed his displeasure to the Drepung Lachi several times, saying that (due to propitiating Dolgyal) the degeneration of the Buddha dharma had been speeded up. This is the source of his displeasure. I feel that your seeking the support of a wrathful worldly spirit (to secure benefits in) this life specifically contradicts the precepts of taking refuge. Therefore, your statement, ‘I want to say from the depths of my heart that it is only due to my being confused by ignorance and not that I have knowingly entered an unwholesome path and led others onto the same path.’ is contradictory." Phabongkhapa answers: "You have therefore instructed me to give you an answer. I have propitiated Shugden until now because my old mother told me that Shugden is the deity of my maternal lineage. I wish to inform you that henceforth, with intense regret (for what is past) and (with the intention of) restraining my faults (in the future), I will never again propitiate (Shugden) or make daily offerings and supporting prayers and that I will wholeheartedly keep this commitment in the core of my heart. Whatever mistakes I have committed until now, such as having become a cause for the mental displeasure of the Great Nechung Choegyal, contradicting the precepts of taking refuge and so forth, I request you, the supreme protector, who is especially compassionate to the lowly, to regard me with love and great compassion and patiently to forgive me. With great respect I here offer one silk scarf as a medium of re quest and five silver coins (to contribute to the) mandala offering.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Jimmy you are absolutely right. But these Chinese paid tibetans destroying our unity. Who is these guys come out and talk shit about HH Dalai Lama? They have no truth always lie about everything. You know it! We can't stay quite. We will go soon to US state department if they still falls accuse. You know us state department already warned Dogyal followers harming HH Dalai Lama. I will going to make this clear. We should talk more about this. Thanks!

  • @lobsangchophel263

    @lobsangchophel263

    4 жыл бұрын

    👍👌👍🙏🏼, ,good,,thanks, you 👍🙏🏼👍

  • @YeSang-pn3dh
    @YeSang-pn3dh4 ай бұрын

    མཛོ་ལ་གཉའ་བཞག་ས་ལ་གླང་ཁོག་གིས་སྐེ་བརྐྱངས་དོན་མེད། ཧཧཧཧ

  • @tenzinkalsang9664
    @tenzinkalsang96645 жыл бұрын

    U are right thank you for explanation,

  • @user-dw1gj7wg6d
    @user-dw1gj7wg6d2 ай бұрын

    पुज

  • @Ishiko11
    @Ishiko119 жыл бұрын

    Thank you brother! This would be good lesson Those devil followers.i couldn't even call with their name thatswhy I am calling them devil followers.Long Live HH dalai lama

  • @tenzinkalsang9664
    @tenzinkalsang96645 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the speech. Yes we all know his holiness speech.we Tibetan 99% is non believers of shugden and we are all know shugden is evil spirit.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Phurchok Ngawang Jampa (1682 - 1762) In the Catalogue of the Three Monastic Seats composed by Phurchok Ngawang Jampa (1682-1762): Thus, at the time when Je (Tsongkhapa) himself was alive, apart from those dharma protectors who are bound by oath and are mentioned in the tantras themselves, no objects for propitiating or seeking the slightest help of harmful negative worldly spirits who are ghosts, was ever installed within the premises of this monastic seat. As a result, all the members of the community, both Lamas and disciples lived in harmony and the tradition of study and practice flourished. Even (the cairn) to the spirit of Tsongkhapa's birthplace was placed outside the monastery. However, nowadays, many people who consider themselves to be followers of Tsongkhapa, and who adopt the three robes of a fully ordained Buddhist monk, go for refuge in ghostly spirits. They will have to face the consequence of meeting with great misfortune. Yongzin Yeshi Gyaltsen (1713 - 1793) From The Lotus Ornamenting the Teachings of the Buddha. Biography of Yongzin Yeshi Gyaltsen (1713 - 1793); the tutor of H.H Jampel Gyatso, the eighth Dalai Lama. Composed by the Eighth Dalai Lama. Further, with regard to the education of the young Panchen Rinpoche (name and year), all his attendants should take full care. It would be a great shame otherwise, saying that he is a Buddha and needs no effort as required by an ordinary (child). Even if he is a Buddha, as long as he assumes an ordinary aspect, he should be given the education the way it is given to an ordinary person. It would be an incomplete legacy pertaining to service of the Dharma and sentient beings; the ones left by unlearned scholars and untrained yogis. Therefore, everyone should take utmost care about the study of the venerable (Panchen Rinpoche). Another point to be considered is that the new Dharma protector (Dolgyal) is the source of ruin of Tashi Lhunpo (monastery). The very Dharma protector, which Panchen Losang Choegyan is connected with, will suffice. Other than that, if (the monastery) starts introducing the propitiation of some harmful spirit, it will be a great source of inauspiciousness (to the monastery). Everyone should be extremely cautious about it.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Jigme Dhamchoe Gyatso (1898-1947) The following account is found on pages 394 and 395 of the Biography of Jigme Dhamchoe Gyatsho (1898-1947) by the Dhomey scholar Tsetan Zhabdrung (1910-1985), first published in June 1987. "Some of the followers of Ven. Phabongkha Dechen Nyingpo Rinpoche engaged in heated argument over the systems of philosophical tenets of the new and the ancient traditions. They engaged in many mistaken activities such as destroying images of Padmasambhava and other peaceful and wrathful deities. They said that reciting the mantra of the Vajra Guru is of no value and would destroy the Padma Kathang (by burning it or throwing it into rivers.) Similarly, they asserted that turning Mani prayer wheels, observing weekly prayers for the deceased, and so forth are of no purpose and so placed many on the path of wrong view. They held Gyalpo Shugden (Dolgyal) as the supreme refuge and the embodiment of all the Three Jewels. Many monks from minor monasteries in the southern area, claiming to be possessed by Shugden, ran madly in all directions destroying the three symbols of enlightenment (images, scriptures and stupas) and so forth. Displaying many such faults they greatly harmed the teachings of the second conqueror, Je Tsongkhapa. Therefore, if you were to compose an advisory letter for everyone’s benefit and were to publish it and distribute it throughout the three provinces of U, Tsang and Kham, it would greatly contribute to counteracting such disturbances to the teaching.

  • @desertpig7934
    @desertpig79349 жыл бұрын

    As a westerner I don't know too much about this issue. I have read many books on Buddhism over my years, in none of those books was the word 'Worship' used once. I do not recognise spirit worship as a Buddhist practice and as I understand this is the nature of the problem with Shugden worshippers? I think this an attempt to divide the Buddhist teachings.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    You are absolutely correct. I'm not changpo. I Noticed that but if we all do that, than

  • @kunchokgyatso8643
    @kunchokgyatso86439 жыл бұрын

    His Holiness Dalai lama has not ban your so called Shugden practice. He advises people not to practice it, and said those who practice this spirit do not have any relationship with him, which is his legitimate right. Saying not to have relation if anyone practice Shugden is not a ban. It’s a legitimate right. Learn to distinguish between right and ban, you folks. No scholars and legal experts will see any ban in this; not even 1%. You all worshipers of this spirit has full uninterrupted right to practice this spirit as long as you want. Carry on whole life. You have full right. What is the need to stage a protest after having given full right and independent to practice ur spirit. This is a clear evidence that China is feeding you from behind for carrying out this sort of acts. You have no right to accuse His Holiness of banning when he hasn't ban at all. Its His Holiness's pure legal right to say not to have any relation with him if anyone practice this spirit. U all r just wasting ur time and energy. The consequences of hitting head harsh against an invincible hill like H. H is only that one's own head will pain.. nothing else. Long live H.H the 14th Dalai lama…… What explanations and justifications you have for your historic murderous acts like murdering Geshe Lobsang Gyatso way back in 1997; and numerous act of sending warning letters to various persons who resist your heinous acts, and hiring local goons to tame anyone who has raised voice against this practice. These terror acts does not match with your hypocrite, pretended, and deceptive acts like praying Bodhisattva generation prayer (Jangchuk Semchok) before media. Why warning those who attempts to clarify any of your foreign supporters who are lured and deceived by your false story, truth lies with you. Be honest to the world at least. Tell the world that “We indulges in horrific acts like killing and warning also behind this sorts of protest.” Its well known that some your seemingly supporters are just hired and paid only for the duration of this shameful event. They pockets the fees and goes off.. Right..!! Long live H.H the 14th Dalai lama……

  • @simonjohn7389
    @simonjohn73899 жыл бұрын

    I am so scared name of dhogyal,

  • @tseringpalmo6994
    @tseringpalmo69942 жыл бұрын

    Sorry you have misunderstand. Thupten thokmey la. You have the education person. But listening have so poor. So sad. Have not current fore shuden. Only twenty chitue have make the mistake. You are the Tibetan person. You have responsibility fore twenty two chitue problem. Please think about the twenty two chitue problem. Please.please.think. Thupten thokmey la. How can we have struggle fore Tibetan nation. All the negative have misunderstand and have not truth. So.please.please.please think.

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Dogyal followers think they can do anything they want. I don't think so guys! There is law and orders. They are very uneducated people. So if you know them personally, please read to them and let them know. Thanks!

  • @tseringdolker2015
    @tseringdolker201511 ай бұрын

    333333333333333333ல்

  • @tenyonten67
    @tenyonten679 жыл бұрын

    Long live His holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. Bhoe gyal lo

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Shugden followers are very dangerous people. They are planing to harm HH Dalai lama. This is a fact. We all know about this. They already have murdered three people in Dharamsala, India. We all have to be very careful about this. These are evil people. So, I have talked about this numerous time in my videos with harsh measures. I can't speak to these evil people with gentle manners. So, please be aware of it. Thank you!

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    The Fifth Dalai Lama Folio 157 (front and back) of the autobiography of the Fifth Dalai Lama (1617-1682) called Dukulai Gosang, Volume Kha, Lhasa Publication: It is well known that at Dhol Chumig Karmo[1] a very powerful perfidious interfering spirit (dam sri)[2,] born due to distorted prayers, has been harming the teaching of the Buddha and sentient beings in general and in particular. The harmful activity has intensified since the firebird year (1657) and (the spirit) has been successful in many of his missions. However, hardly anyone has taken any action, as if this did not concern him or her. So, at the end of the earth-bird year (1669) a new house was constructed at Dhol Chumig Karmo and articles were placed there in the hope that it would become a place for the Gyalpo to settle. However, his harmful activities only intensified and recently many lay and ordained people have been afflicted with diseases and a few monks have died. Therefore, all the monks unanimously decided that a fire ritual should be performed. Consequently, two groups of practitioners were organised. One was led by Nagrampa Dhondup Gyatso, who acted as the Vajra Acharya of (a performance of) the Dorje Drolo ritual and the other was led by Nangjung Ngagchang Losang Khyentse, who acted as the Vajra Acharya of (a performance of the) Yangsang Karma Dragpo ritual. Likewise Rigzin Pema Thinley of Dorje Drag, Dharma King Terdag Lingpa, Vugja Lungpa, Drigung Tulku Rinpoche, Katshal Zurpa Ngari Konchok Lhundup and Palri Tulku performed the Wrathful Lama, Yama, Phurba, Loktri practice for seven days, at the conclusion of which a fire-ritual was performed during which the 'perfidious interfering spirit’ and his entourage were burnt. Everybody was convinced (of its success because of) the appearance of wonderful signs and the smell of burning flesh that everybody witnessed. Thus, many sentient beings were explicitly granted the gift of fearlessness because their lives were saved. Moreover, indirectly these creatures (‘byung po)[3] were delivered to the peaceful state of being released from having to experience the intolerable suffering of bad states of rebirth due to their increasing negative actions. At that time a testimony[4] was written to indicate that these creatures or evil spirits were without protection and refuge and (consequently) the Dardhingpas of Dorje Drag Monastery compiled mantras. As a religious practice for the deceased, Sera and Drepung Monasteries performed the Prayer of the White Umbrella Deity 44,000 times and recited the Heart Sutra 118,000 times during eleven sessions during which tea was offered in each monastery. At sixty-seven other well-disciplined monasteries in the neighbourhood, monks were requested to perform the White Umbrella Prayer as many as possible for the deceased. At Yerpa the Gyuto monks performed the prayer of appeasement of Gonpo (Mahakala) and Choegyal (Dharmaraja) 693 times, Tenma Shasana 1,121,800 times, (Sixty Section Ritual Cake Offering to Overcome Evil) Drugchu pai Tordog. At Choekhor Gyal they performed rituals to (Palden Lhamo) Magzorma, to Mahakala the Lord of the Tent (Gur and zhal), and to Begtse and at Gatshal they performed the prayer of appeasing the Dharma protectors in general 10000 times and the prayers of the Six Armed (Mahakala), Leshin and Vaishravana (rNam sre) 1000 times. At 11 district capitals they performed the Prayer for Invoking the Spirit of the Deity to Vanquish the Enemy (dgra-lha-dpangs-bstod) and other practices to appease local deities and spirits.

  • @bishalgurung6931
    @bishalgurung69314 жыл бұрын

    Shamde shunye rang re

  • @michik6927
    @michik69279 жыл бұрын

    When making political statement,you have to use proper words, Otherwise it will fetch misunderstanding

  • @sonam0007
    @sonam00076 жыл бұрын

    Those people who depend on Shukdeen r very unfortunate.

  • @dawachaglo1110
    @dawachaglo11109 жыл бұрын

    STIL DON WANNA TALKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK ABOUT THIS STRANGER GHOST.................SHUGTEN. LONG LIVE TENZIN GYATSO................................................ .

  • @99pcent97
    @99pcent979 жыл бұрын

    Chinese have so many PLA army in Tibet, even Chinese tourists can feel the oppression. Now we know why Tibet is really meant to be free from Chinese occupation.

  • @tseringdolma1393
    @tseringdolma13939 жыл бұрын

    Are you an ex-monk?

  • @sherab_toronto

    @sherab_toronto

    9 жыл бұрын

    Who cares?

  • @Gyurmey

    @Gyurmey

    9 жыл бұрын

    I think he's Gelugpa version of Ngakpa. Previously monk and now happily married.

  • @sherab_toronto

    @sherab_toronto

    9 жыл бұрын

    He admit that he have a kid,.. Don't know how happy he is with married life,..

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    First of all , Spirit worship is not a religion. Of course spirit worship is not a Buddhisim. It's very clear. You should read more books about buddhim. Thanks!

  • @MrTsephel
    @MrTsephel4 жыл бұрын

    They can't use their brain

  • @ThuptenThokmey
    @ThuptenThokmey9 жыл бұрын

    Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941) On pages 471-2 front and back of the Tibetan text of the biography of Phabongkhapa Dechen Nyingpo (1878-1941) composed by his student Denma Losang Dorje and published by the Nyimo Publisher Palden, the following account is found: "(Here is) an appeal from me, Phabongkhapa, holding the name of an incarnate, in accordance with an instruction that I have received from you through Tse Khendron Chenmo. (I am glad that) you have received my application of 22nd of the 12th month last year, and I am grateful that you have kindly clarified each and every point therein. It was entirely my mistake and I have absolutely nothing to say (to defend it). It will be my endeavour in the future to take the meaning of your instructions earnestly to heart and I ask your forgiveness for whatever mistakes I have made in my appeal." Phabongkhapa quotes the Dalai Lama's letter: "With regard to the three points mentioned here, there is still much ground for debate, both in logical and scriptural terms, but this is enough for the time being. With regard to your reference to making endeavour in the practice of taking refuge, first of all you are propitiating Shugden (Dolgyal) as a protector. Since they received Lamrim teachings from you at the Drepung Monastic Religious Centre last year and so made a connection with you, propitiation of Shugden among students there has greatly increased. The Great Nechung Choegyal who from the very beginning was commanded and entrusted to protect and guard this monastery, expressed his displeasure to the Drepung Lachi several times, saying that (due to propitiating Dolgyal) the degeneration of the Buddha dharma had been speeded up. This is the source of his displeasure. I feel that your seeking the support of a wrathful worldly spirit (to secure benefits in) this life specifically contradicts the precepts of taking refuge. Therefore, your statement, ‘I want to say from the depths of my heart that it is only due to my being confused by ignorance and not that I have knowingly entered an unwholesome path and led others onto the same path.’ is contradictory." Phabongkhapa answers: "You have therefore instructed me to give you an answer. I have propitiated Shugden until now because my old mother told me that Shugden is the deity of my maternal lineage. I wish to inform you that henceforth, with intense regret (for what is past) and (with the intention of) restraining my faults (in the future), I will never again propitiate (Shugden) or make daily offerings and supporting prayers and that I will wholeheartedly keep this commitment in the core of my heart. Whatever mistakes I have committed until now, such as having become a cause for the mental displeasure of the Great Nechung Choegyal, contradicting the precepts of taking refuge and so forth, I request you, the supreme protector, who is especially compassionate to the lowly, to regard me with love and great compassion and patiently to forgive me. With great respect I here offer one silk scarf as a medium of request and five silver coins (to contribute to the) mandala offering.

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