Transit AND airport planning in the same video??? Dreams DO COME TRUE!!!

@Cal90208

3 ай бұрын

literally

@Coolsomeone234

3 ай бұрын

I KNOW RIGHT???

@LucianoCheng1

3 ай бұрын

I have never trusted the KZread algorithm more than this moment.

@DavidHockenberry-dn2gi

3 ай бұрын

My head hurts after watching this

@DavidHockenberry-dn2gi

3 ай бұрын

Just keep printing that money California

Am I from SoCal? No. Have I ever been to LAX? No. Did I watch the whole video? Yes...

@JohnHuitema

2 ай бұрын

lol me just starting this right now thinking the same thing 😅

wake up babe new nandert video dropped

The amount of work you put into these is incredible.

I will say - with the opening, there's a missed opportunity for the line "Where else can you feel the breeze from 10,000 feet while indulging in the smells of 10,000 feet" No other notes, this is peak nandert and I am here for it~

Oh LAX peoplemover, how I long for thee to finally open. As a person who has been that one to drop off/pick up people at LAX, I am so ready to never have to do it again.

@gabriell.4440

3 ай бұрын

Especially around Thanksgiving. I still get chills just thinking about it that traffic.

@roachtoasties

3 ай бұрын

My best guess is late this year.

@ChrisJones-gx7fc

3 ай бұрын

@@roachtoasties the date now is April 2025, due to some disagreement between LAWA and the contractor building the APM. The infrastructure is nearly done at this point, leaving just the testing of the trains, but the testing is delayed. The opening was supposed to be late this year, but has been pushed back. As frustrating as that is, that's just the reality. It would have been great to have the APM for this year's holiday travel rush, as a first real test of its effectiveness.

@JEK

3 ай бұрын

Just dropped off a friend Monday morning. It's truly awful, shuttles and busses hogging the roads, spewing unpleasant odors. RIP those stuck right now having to drive the entire horseshoe.

@F1neshrine

3 ай бұрын

One more congested holiday season before leaving that horseshoe in the dust 😪

The idea of the Southern Sepulveda line connecting to Sofi sounds like a dream come true.

@NelsonCWoodstock

3 ай бұрын

They should just excavate the TBM tunnels from the Sofi lots and put a station there. Would be a lot easier than doing it near the LAX station.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

Sure. Sure. Century is a parking lot for hours after a game or event. Anything at grade level helps exactly zero.

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

​@atlascruiser1456 I doubt it would be at grade. More likely elevated like the proposed Inglewood APM.

I love how ridiculously complex this whole transportation upgrade has become.

Final SoCal airport: Tijuana! Carries a good number of Southern Californians looking to take advantage of domestic pricing, but it's still arguably a Californian airport now that CBX exists.

@joseapar

3 ай бұрын

Excellent point. Tijuana probably draws in more LA Metro passengers than San Diego and maybe on par with Ontario? I'm sure someone must have the numbers.

@tz7245

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Big for the latino community to leave from TIJ.. tickets can be 1/3rd-1/5 the price and it ends up being domestic travel for already Mexican citizens (faster processing)

@hobog

3 ай бұрын

And it has the cool bridge crossing the border to the US-side arrival-departure

@boostdemon

3 ай бұрын

I would love a rail connection to CBX. Parking is getting expensive as well as rideshare from the San Diego Train depot.

@zardsire2012

3 ай бұрын

I took the airport from SD to Oaxaca, CDMX, and La Paz and each trip was cheap and none were delayed surprisingly.

Honestly this is why I ALWAYS get the earliest possible flight TO my destination and make sure to get to LAX sometime in the morning when I'm coming home. I've never had the horrible Sunday night experience

@gbalph4

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I had a Thanksgiving eve flight but I got there around 9 since I had a red eye with Alaska but it was almost dead by then. Usually the other terminals I go through are Tom Bradley and United or American.

@WilliamCarterII

3 ай бұрын

@@gbalph4 I'm right in the middle of booking a flight from Los Angeles to Jakarta and I am literally looking for the 6:00 a.m. flight 😭 I would rather get up at 3:00 a.m. than to deal with the loop

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

You're trolling, right? The Upper Level from 5AM to 10AM is a parking lot.

@WilliamCarterII

3 ай бұрын

@@atlascruiser1456I usually take a flight at 6:00 or 7:00 a.m. which requires me to get to the airport by 4ish. But when I flew to Brazil last month out of the international terminal, my flight was at 10:00 a.m. that sucked but it didn't take me an hour I was also on the flyaway. But that's just my subjective experience

This is incredible. I can only imagine the amount of work that went into this video. This is also the most comprehensive explanation of what is happening at LAX I've been able to find.

2:00 Don't forget TIJ and the Cross-Border Xpress! 4.2m passengers a year can't be wrong

I'm a huge transit nerd but even huger aviation nerd. Honestly one of the best videos I've watched on You Tube! Thank you so much.

I think this is your best video yet! The visuals are so great! (Maps! 3D! LABELS! Highlighting! Historical side-by-side comparisons! Yes!) and the voiceover is much easier to understand than in your previous videos (you don't swallow your words as much here and the voiceover is not drowned out by the background music). Love it! Looking forward to more from this series! :)

Your speculation about the airline rearrangement is super exciting. I fly JetBlue most of the time and would be ecstatic to not have to use Terminal 5 anymore.

You forgot to talk about Tijuana airport. Thanks to the large demand of travel to Mexico and the IBX, it’s basically a SoCal airport.

Don't forget folks in the comments section to vote YES for measure HLA if you want non-rail transit not to suck.

@gbalph4

3 ай бұрын

THIS!

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

Done!

Literally can't wait for part 2 now. Your videos are like crack for us transit lovers

THIS IS A CERTIFIED HOOD CLASSIC And about Sunday night flights: a friend on mine dropped me off at TBIT for my midnight flight to Hong Kong. He's a real one.

Honey WAKE UP

@jdjohn0

3 ай бұрын

BABE ITS A 3 PART SERIES

@espaciobarra

3 ай бұрын

OOH BABY A TRIPLE

As a frequent airline traveler and a civil engineer/transportation designer and having experience in transportation planning, I am thoroughly impressed with your work! Subscribed.

It's a good morning when Nandert uploads

Palmdale International Airport has promise, especially once CAHSR opens

@atat67e

3 ай бұрын

Was looking for this mention! I believe it had regional service until 2008. Wonder if that’ll ever make a return

@gbalph4

3 ай бұрын

LAWA had a lot of plans for it but it never materialized possibly because Palmdale is a little far from the core (but with HSR that could be less of an issue). Plus ONT is probably their main development besides LAX now, so that's probably being developed. I'm sure this will probably be mentioned, but since I'm from OC we had plans to turn El Toro into an international airport in the 90s but the people hated it and we still cannot get people to fly internationally to Disneyland or Anaheim directly outside of Canada and Mexico.

@shsd4130

3 ай бұрын

@@gbalph4 ONT is no longer owned by LAWA! The locals took it back. Not sure how I feel about it

@gbalph4

3 ай бұрын

@@shsd4130 well they didn't let the Tesla tunnel in but they better be cool with rail connections. With that I could see LAWA investing into Palmdale, though I'd imagine it would probably be like Tokyo (Haneda and Narita handle both domestic and international).

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, especially since HSR opened ontime and under budget back in 2020.... Oh, wait. That never happened. It never will happen

This video is the GOAT! Finally someone gets it! Expect a Terminal and Gate renaming once the APM comes online. LAX has a plan, but its going to take more pain to make it a reality. Great video!

Metrolink (+ intercity rail service) to LAX would be a super-regional game changer. In the interim, LAX should have a coach bus terminal.

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

No, that would only increase LAX's popularity. It would have the opposite effect of making the airport more efficient. Regional passengers further out from LAX need to be better serviced by airports physically closer to them. As the video implies, our other SoCal airports need to get bigger because after the current LAX expansion, LAX cannot continue to grow. It will be maxed out due to its location.

@flylcarusfly

3 ай бұрын

@@mrxman581 The video also signaled that other airports are constrained. I don’t see any other airport in Southern California become a hub for international travel in the way LAX is anytime soon so it would be better to reduce the need for connecting flights into LAX from San Diego for example. Rail connections to the airport would help in that regard.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

AS. If.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

@@flylcarusfly It's called LAS. Better to just fly there from BUR or SBA than deal with the third-world bazaar of LAX.

@danmur2797

3 ай бұрын

​@@mrxman581Newsflash, LAX is already the popular girl in LA school. It's already one of the busiest airports in the world, and draws a lot of regional LA metro passengers because it has the best international airline offerings out of any local airport. At this point it should have better rail connections to Union Station, the OC, Westside, and SFV. Even the SGV and Inland Empire resident's can't avoid using LAX for international travel. That doesn't take away from improving airline service at other regional airports. But let's be honest, it will be a looong time before any of the regional airports have anywhere near the level of airline options LAX has.

I just want the LAX express train because "LAXpress" would be a great name for it. Oh and getting to LAX easier from DTLA/NELA too. Minor details.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

Count the number of changes to do that under "this new APM scheme". It's appalling

You can skip 1.5 now and just go to Tom Bradley now for your Allegiant flight, but not having to go through security at the international terminal is worth just riding the bus. The walk is also shorter since it's dropping you off at the west gates.

Fun anecdote! Having moved to LA 2 years ago and having used LAX about 10 times it’s probably one of the least problematic airports I’ve flown out of and I’ve been to a lot. Getting there has never been too bad, I wish the bus connection from Westwood was better as I’ve always found it weird I have to go all the way past the airport to the C line and then come back on a shuttle. Other than that I almost never have to wait for anything! Granted I tend to fly at like 11am on weekdays so that might be why 😅

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

They used to have a Flyaway bus from Westwood to LAX but they shut it down several years ago. It used to leave out of UCLA parking lot 32 near Wilshire and Gayley.

@chrisorr8601

3 ай бұрын

@@mrxman581 we still have the ghosts of the flyaway signs littered around Westwood. having looked at the data it performed really badly actually. Ironically, the most cost sensitive people, students, were the ones who could pretty easily find 3 other people flying out of LAX at the end of quarter and that brings the Uber down to around 15$ a person which is in line with flyaway

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

​@@chrisorr8601I'm not surprised, and the surrounding neighborhoods are not price conscious per se either. The surrounding area is one of the wealthiest in the city.

@temporality_

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, Ive never had a bad experience at LAX. Granted I dont fly airlines like Spirit and always fly in the mornings.

Well this sick day just became a lot more enjoyable, thanks!

Nandert truly is the Jon Bois of transit project information

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

Well, it's an interesting study in fantasyland. The reality is that LAWA actively has fought having transit onsite. There's a reason the Green Line and Crenshaw lines terminate miles from the terminals-- and fantasies about BRT, Metro Express and IRT connections don't change that.

Best crossover episode ever!

Ontario has significant freight traffic from UPS (I don't know about the others) but I assume that's going to be part of the future video.

@jdcaldwell5088

3 ай бұрын

More like increasing domestic and international service with 2 longer runways to handle said traffic???????????

This is a phenomenal video and the channel deserves way more attention

So much traffic getting concentrated onto the LAX people mover! It'd need 80sec headways or faster at peak time

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

This is a great point. It's NOT at all clear they have enough capacity for the ConRAC, Uber, parking and drop-off users. Cars are small, head times inadequate

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

They will run every 2 minutes and carry 200 people at a time. I'm that will be enough even there are the most flights. Even if you have to wait for the next one, 2 minutes is quick.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

@@mrxman581 I'm not sure-- they seem intent on pushing the Kiss-n-Ride, Uber, Taxi, Rental Car... plus Parking onto that line. That's a few thousand people an hour, of capacity sure. But the "churn" from the flights during peak hours are like 18000-20000 inbound/outboud PAX per hour. Not to mention TSA workers, employees, vendors, cleaners and staff.

I love LAX! It's conveniently located just 20 minutes from my house and is incredibly easy to get in and out of for a huge airport. It’s not unusual for me to go from my front door to the gate in under a half hour. Compared to a hell hole like Chicago or Newark - or the remoteness of Denver, LAX is a dream.

1:50 Imperial County also, for some reason, has commuter service to Phoenix, which is a whole state away. Also, I find it insane that LA is only just building light rail to its main airport, and an APM for the airport, while Phoenix has a fully completed APM with a light rail connection that was built years ago (the terminals were connected to the light rail in 2014, and the rental car facility and 24th Street were connected in 2022). What’s more insane is that aside from a few Super Bowls, there hasn’t been a ton of big event pressure to push for those projects. Then again, Phoenix is, in a way, lucky to have its main airport so close to downtown (the runways start 2.5 miles east of Central).

nandert cooks once again. Can't wait to hear about the plans for Burbank, as an eastsider it's way easier to fly domestically outta Burbank for me, but usually runs a bit of a premium on airfare.

amazing video as always, Nick. You read my mind regarding the C Line extension on Lincoln Bl.

Plane spotters love LAX. Great locations, great variety and air traffic.

Thank you. It was most informative, and the graphics were outstanding.

having ridden vivaaerobus at terminal 1.5, your assumption that they would place any value on their passenger's time or comfort is quaint and endearing

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

We got stuck the other night coming in on HA from Maui... stalled at T3 waiting for the Delta ground crew to move metal around. Should have just walked the Tunnel of Despair.

Damn, this is an amazing video. Thanks for putting it all together!

Absolutely loved this. Cannot wait to hear about the other airports in this region.

This video should have WAY more views. Very well done, looking forward to the rest of the series.

Thank you for this. Super informative and entertaining.

Loved this video, so comprehensive and well put together. Already can’t wait for the next one!

Outstanding video once again! Appreciate the great work like always!

The amount of research you did here is mind boggling. Great video

Was always amazed how well it worked anyway. It employs as many people as populate an entire city elsewhere. They smile and put you at ease, the American way.

What a beautiful video, thank you for your time highlighting and making these maps

another Nandert Banger

That was a lot to take in. What insight! Thank you Nandert 🤓

This was absolutely amazing. As a pilot for a Legacy carrier based in LAX I am so glad to have watched it. You have expressed some points I thought of like the need for an express train direct from Union Station (please please please be in the cards for the future) but mostly things I have never even thought about. Subscribed, Amazing work.

wow i think this is the best infrastructure/transit video i've ever seen amazing detail and explanations!! 😄😇

Such a great video, editing, visuals, and commentary. Keep up the good work!

Video is BOMBER great transition and great narration! subed

This video is really good. Yes, Sunday pick ups/drop offs are the worst. I fly out of LAX at least once a month and your video is really informative.

What an incredibly detailed and well made video!

best documentary ever man! Keep it up! Would loooooove to see something like this for ATL or ORD. Good luck man!!!!

This was an exceptional update. Thank you for all of your wonderful illustrations and knowledge.

Amazing work! I'm actually excited 😂

What an amazing video analysis. Subscribed!

Nick fantastic work you assembled in this video We appreciate you sharing your ideas with us 🙏 and showing us what's feasible. I will agree that this is pretty much the end game for LAX after all possible expansion projects.

Incrediby informative and detailed...thank you for this incredble work!

Thankfully they're now going to renumber all these terminals. This is a great run down on what's going on. Thanks.

Great job on this. Totally hooked in my attention. Super excited for the Metro connection!

great work! looking forward to the next parts.

As a South Bay resident I've only ever been able to reasonably justify flying out of LAX, which is deeply unfortunate, but at least I've gotten very regular construction updates without ever having to look anything up! This is a great video, too, can't wait to see the other two when they come out

This video is so informative and detailed. Thank you

Excellent video keep em coming

What an amzing piece!

We recently flew Delta from Hawaii to LAX on a 767 and it was one of the best coach flights in memory. The coach section is a 2-3-2 configuration perfect for couples. Not only were the seats reasonably sized, the electronics were better than on many international business carriers. Even the $10 dollar coach snack was fine. And you noted the the new Delta terminal is impressive as well. There aren't many Delta routes using the 767, but fortunately LAX to New York is one on them.

Very comprehensive look at LAX expansion and transit!

This was really informative and thorough 🙏

Imagine if we diverted all those passengers taking regional flights onto high speed rail...

You son of a gun. I love using the metro/metrolink and I also love/hate flying in and out of LAX. This is the perfect video for me!

oh wow great video. love it

it wont be a quick ride but finally connecting lax to union station is amazing. people from the surrounding cities could take the metrolink then the metro to lax and never have to get in a car [theoretically, as long as theres no station closures for updates that werent done in the first place like future platform extensions and grade separations]

Holy shit this is amazing

Fantastic video!

Superb job!

Thank you Nandert

I work out of LAX. This video was incredibly interesting!

EXCELLENT VIDEO!! it’s going to be very interesting when it’s all said and done. The thing I am looking forward to the most is seeing if our politicians and architects had the foresight to create a smooth transition in and out of where you’re dropping people off. The same amount of Ubers and cars are going to be coming in to drop people off as there is now. so my pessimism says all they’re doing is just moving it to a new location. But it will be interesting to see nonetheless.

@AutonomyCentral

3 ай бұрын

No matter how much planning and foresight they gave to the drop off area, it's still inevitably going to bottleneck somewhere outside of it. Like adding more lanes to a freeway.

@santibeery1340

3 ай бұрын

@@AutonomyCentral agree. If they plan the lights and make a smooth entry street and exit maybe it’ll be better. But I doubt greatly. Lol

@AutonomyCentral

3 ай бұрын

@@santibeery1340 hopefully the people mover is reliable enough for us to ditch the traffic entirely!

@mrxman581

3 ай бұрын

The ride sharing will use the West station with buses and shuttles. Regular cars will use the East station.

Awesome video!

I like the idea of this video - lets try to make sense of lax related plans

Great informative video

As an employee who knows they are moving to MSC south this is exciting

Great video!

Fantastic video

Those remote gates bring back bad memories. Arriving from Australia and missing the slot time, getting on a dreadful bus, arriving at TBI immigration at the backend of 10 other wide body arrivals. Then waiting two hours. Miss domestic connection. Wait another 5 hours. Ugh! It happened to me about 10 times over the years from the late 90s. Only when they brought in the rush connection immigration lane with the flourescent ticket jackets (at least on oneworld) did the situation improve.

@atlascruiser1456

3 ай бұрын

It's still a long damn walk through the Tunnel of Despair from The West Gates

you are a true hero nadurert

Great video as always Nandert. I would love to see some discussion about the climate impacts of aviation in the next two parts of the series. The way I see it, airport expansion, much like highway expansion, is climate arson.

Wake up babe new nandert video just dropped!

Great video as always! I think the plan from the original LAX master plan to increase check in deck capacity for Terminal B is to destroy parking structure 3 to the west of the terminal and make that an expanded check in hall. Security would still be in B.

I heard many horror stories about LAX so I braced myself for some delays when I flew in the first time in the summer of 2022. I was hugely disappointed. My plane arrived an hour early. I arrived at Tom Bradly, had to clear immigration as a non-citizen (with ESTA) and take a bus to the Alamo station. At the designated arrival time I was at the counter at the Alamo station. A friend of mine who arrived a day earlier needed 2 hours just to clear immigration. When I left I had to take the bus connection from 1.5 to the the west concourse. The major downside was, that few food option where open at the west gates during that time. I ended up going back to the main concourse to have a snack.

I’m amazed at the complexity involved just to travel to LAX. It is transitnerds/avgeeks wet dream and passengers nightmare. In Asia, some airports offer downtown/in-city check in facilities connected via high speed rail service to the airport. I could totally see this as a thing in LAX and use extensively to reduce the need for driving to the airport to send/pick up passengers.

weirdly stoked for that Ontario Airport video.

@jdcaldwell5088

3 ай бұрын

Ontario, ca ONT has room to ad 3 more Terminals????? With the 2 Terminal it has. And more space for Cargo???

There's so much opportunity being missed with Ontario airport. Wish there was a way to incentivize its use with lower fees or by kick out those unaffiliated budget airlines from LAX all together and sending them over to Ontario. People looking for a bargin will follow the lower cost anyway.

@x--.

3 ай бұрын

Need a _way_ better transit link. You get me a train into Ontario and then we're talking.

@gbalph4

3 ай бұрын

Basically doing that right now is like asking flights from JFK to go to Stewart (though MTA may revive that plan to connect it and it may work).

When you mentioned 2 new terminals I gave a gasp. Like damn how big can it get.