Paul does not say God chose "US" before the foundation of the world. He says that God chose "US IN HIM." By definition, the words "us in him" necessarily refers to Christians/believers. Only Christians are IN Christ. Paul is saying that before the foundation of the world, God chose Christians to be holy and blameless. He doesn't say God chose anyone to be a Christian. He says God chose Christians ("us in him") to be holy and blameless. Paul is talking about what God chose Christians to be - holy and blameless. Nothing in this verse mentions that God chose people to become Christians. Rather, the verse mentions what God chose Christians to be. NO: Before the foundation of the world, God chose us Christians to become Christians. YES: Before the foundation of the world, God chose us Christians to be holy and blameless before Him.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

"He doesn't say God chose anyone to be a Christian. Paul is talking about what God chose Christians to be" Ok so now you have God choosing and predestining a THING not people.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. It is not one vs. another. Yes, God predestines THINGS for His people. He predestined CHRISTIANS (people) to be holy and blameless before Him. He predestined Christians to be conformed to the image of His son.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion So he doesn't exactly chose a thing but he kind of chose a thing because he chose as a group. A group is a thing. So then he didn't choose you personally? Jesus didn't die for you, he died for the group?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

No. He chose a thing for the group. Or, you could say He chose the group to be a thing. He didn't choose anyone to be in the group.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion So then he didn't die for you? Jesus doesn't save you he just makes you savable?

Thank you for sounding the alarm to warn people of the insanity of calvinism.

I hate to call people who are truly trying to live for God and follow the Bible a cult, but you definitely explained this verse like it’s written without adding the spin of TULIP. Thank you.

This teaching came at the perfect time. I needed it so much!! I prayed for this answer. Thank you so much.

@kimberleerivera3334

2 жыл бұрын

GLORY TO GOD!

Best clear explanation I found on KZread when it comes to Ephesians 1 and Calvinism. Thank you brother and may God bless you

The two words "In Him" can be found throughout Ephesians chapter one. Thank you for taking a stand against Calvinism. Far too many of these folks are indoctrinated in these doctrines which include TULIP, Lordship Salvation, and Regeneration preceding faith. Many other spin-off dogmas fall under this deadly cult. We must fight to keep the truth of Scripture from being perverted.

@nathanbratton5613

10 ай бұрын

Hi Timothy I was just wondering do you think that verse might be talkin about before sin entered this world and God's will. Nobody should perish it just kind of hit me like to hear what you think God bless

I read it this way. Those who are in him, meaning anyone who believes will be blameless before him.

I'm so happy to see you back! Watching your upload now. I really missed you. :)

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

God bless you.

Great to see you back on here. Already looking forward to the next one!

Glad to see you making videos again.

A very timely video. Just the other day I was arguing with a Calvinist who denied that John Calvin himself believed in what's known as "double-predestination" and was demeaning of those who didn't. He could have googled this and seen the truth of it, even in Calvin's own words, but he didn't. In my experience a lot of Calvinists recognise how repugnant the doctrine is and so will deny it, but really, as Calvin himself knew, it's really the only consistent view with everything else that Calvinism teaches. Describing Calvinism as a "cult" is also very appropriate since they have their very own definitions for words. A great example of this is the fact that if you argue for free-will they'll accuse you of denying the "sovereignty" of God, because to Calvinists "sovereignty" means that God dictates everything that happens and that we do. Of course all "sovereignty" really means is ruler-ship, and a king is no less sovereign over the inhabitants of his kingdom because he doesn't control their will or everything that happens within that kingdom. There are many more examples of this "cult-speak". There is also something about this doctrine that attracts an unpleasant kind of person. This isn't to say that all Calvinists are unpleasant, but speaking generally, it's hard to find a more cold and dogmatic group of people. But as someone once observed, those who follow a "prophet" will naturally take after their "prophet". John Calvin is infinitely more important to Calvinism than Jesus Christ is, and it shows. If anything the teachings of Christ are a massive inconvenience to their entire edifice. Anyway, it's always nice to hear from you on subjects other than the trinity. This is why your TheSavioursServant channel is so enjoyable.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Ditto on the sovereignty definition problem. I have seen this many times also. And yes I have found them to routinely define Biblical words to suit their doctrine. I have also found most Calvinists to have a very serious problem with personal honesty. Frankly, I came to a point long ago where I stopped expecting any Calvinist to ever be reasonable and honest with the facts. I just don't run into any. They are a good case study for Confirmation Bias. I keep thinking I will run into some nice Calvinists who can be objective and reasonable. But it never happens.

@urawesome4670

3 жыл бұрын

The Calvinist position is that man is already destined for hell (all of them). God has to give mercy to save, and He saves some. It is according to His mercy, the flesh profits nothing. Simon in Acts 8 is an example how the flesh profits nothing.

“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:” ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Sanctification of the spirit produces the change in heart by God. With this we then believe (not talking about believing just in the head like a Simon did in Acts 8). “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awesome video thank you

I like how simple you made it understandable. Well done

im not unitarian but i still am subscribed to this guy and watch his videos, i think hes cool.

@ucenicii_Lui_Isus

5 жыл бұрын

For a few videos i heard, i don't think is unitarian, because the unitarien don't believe Jesus to be the Son of God.

@ken440

2 жыл бұрын

@@ucenicii_Lui_Isus it is 2 years since you posted that comment about unitarians not believing that Jesus is the son of God. Well I wonder what you think a Unitarian really is? I am what you might call a unitarian and I certainly believe Jesus is the son of God. All the Unitarians I know believe that. Jesus is the son of God, Lord of all since he was raised and made Lord (acts2:36) and is the head of the body, the church. Jesus is the lamb of God, son of David, shoot of Jesse, son and heir of Abraham, son of man, seed of the woman as promised in Gen3:15. Jesus is the "second Adam" and to be that has to be a man because the first Adam owed a blood debt. Jesus is the saviour sent into the world as the sacrificial lamb, that all who call on his shed blood, "in his name," will be saved. (note we too are "not of this world," and are "sent into the world."... it doesnt mean into the planet for us or Jesus.) In fact we believe everything that the bible says about him except what the bible DOESNT say about him, that he is God incarnate, or the religious expression "god the son.". That part is implied into the Bible, not written there plain to see. No trinity. God is the one God, most high, YHWY. and Jesus is Gods son, born of the woman Mary as the angel Gabriel says in Luke. Perhaps you are confused about what a Unitarian is. We are not universalists, who have hijacked the similar sounding name. So the only thing the Unitarian doesnt believe is that Jesus was pre existant God.

@ucenicii_Lui_Isus

2 жыл бұрын

@@ken440 if you realy read the bible, and belive it, you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. Jesus Christ is first the Son of God, and after is the son of men, like you specific "the second Adam" You wiil find in bible that Jesus say - "I am" before Abraham Jesus Christ is the Creator, the God Father is the Arhitect, but Jesus is the Master at work.(Proverbs 8:22-36) Before first Adam is Jesus, because Jesus created Adam. The unitarien don't belive that, even it is writen!!! I know is hard to belive that Jesus is the Creator and He die for the creatures. If you belive unitaritarien have right than please explain the psalm 45 espescialy the verse 6, 7 ...and don't forget what Jesus say in Matew 22:41-46 Blessings and Grace.

@ken440

2 жыл бұрын

@@ucenicii_Lui_Isus my friend it was after 38 years as a trinitarian evangelical believer when i REALLY BEGAN TO READ THE BIBLE, that I saw the truth, and it has set me free. Free from idolotry of worshiping a man we have made into a god, when he carefully avoided grasping at equality with God phil2:6, (because that was the temptation and sin of the first Adam, to try to be equal to God by knowing all good and evil) I see now that the dead are dead, not as the gnostic greek philosophy teaches separated in soul and in heaven. I see very clearly the misunderstanding where it is claimed Jesus existed as I AM and made the world.

There's already alot, but You're back lol! Glad to see you.

i.e. 'He chose us in Christ to be holy', that is, 'He chose us [WHO ARE] IN CHRIST - to be holy'.

Welcome back. Thank you for the effort and time to produce these teaching videos. Very edifying when one hears wholesome and life giving words.

Good Video. Simplistic and truthful.

Thank you so much for pointing that out. Us in Him is so obvious it's pointed out and it lines up with the rest of scripture.

Bless you!

Choosing to put your trust in Christ for salvation is a decision, not a work. Anybody can make a decision to trust in Him. It’s the one thing He asks of us. Romans passages: “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ” “Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.” “So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.”

Would like to hear your take on the bigger topics such as depths of mans self idolatry, the 'righteousness of God' in Romans, Gods decrees & sovereignty & why justification is by faith. How Calvinism interacts with these topics vs what the bible teaches would provide some good food for thought IMO. Thanks for the vids

Thanks for your video. Could you do a walkthrough of Romans 9 as well?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

I hope to get to it at some point.

@primeobjective5469

5 жыл бұрын

I'll be doing a walkthrough soon as a well.

I would highly recommend you read this verse very carefully. A spiritually dead person has no ability to choose Christ without God doing a work in their heart first. Ephesians 2:1-10 2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 BUT because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Nothing here about an ability to choose Christ. That was your imagintion talking not the Scripture.

@HAPPYDAYS253

5 жыл бұрын

God chose the "whole world" to be restored and reconciled back to himself . ALL IN CHRIST .1 Cor 15 Romans 8:29, Romans 11:32 , Acts 3:21 , 2 Cor ,5:19, 1 Timothy 4:10 & 2:3-4 , Rev 5:13 / 21:5 /22:5 . God's Sovereign authority ...Job 42:2 , Isaiah 55:11 .

@lawrencegs7939

5 жыл бұрын

His handiwork was for who to do what.? for only Christians can do good works made possible after only after Christ had mercy on us save us through faith in his shed blood on the cross. Gods free gift to every sinner that chooses to believe and repent.

Amen, very good explanation.

I gotta share this in the calvie groups!😁

Thank you so much for interpreting this verse with the guidance of the Holy Spirit! I don't agree with Calvinism and they showed me this passage and I was convicted but it makes sense!

Love your videos sir! Thank you for your efforts. Can you do a video on sabbath observance? And/or following the law in respect to lawlessness? Would love to hear if you have any insight on the these and the following issues; If sabbath is made for man, what is the correlation with the fact that Jesus was a man? or in matthew 11:28 is Jesus our sabbath rest? Or Jesus is lord of sabbath? Historically speaking there were early sects such as ebionites who observed it. Also it seems to me that polycarp observed it but Irenaeus did not, yet he acknowledges himself as of the lineage of the apostle John. Revelation says we we will be judged by our works, and we know the Most High God does not change and desires us to do his will rather than our own. Thanks for your time and may Yah bless you!

AMEN!!!

“Does God immutability know the ultimate destination of every individual before he creates them and creates them anyway?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

What is there to know about that which does not exist? There is nothing to know about nothing.

@jtbtdlkt2012

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion whoa! Is God omniscient? You are claiming that God doesn’t know a certain thing because it has not been yet....do you agree that God transcends time? How do we get prophecy in The Bible? Surely you don’t think God is making calculated guesses!

@originalhigene

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Bro. Kel, Slant Six & Jason Trevino. There are at least two ways of understanding the doctrine of the all knowing God. First is the belief that God's knowledge is complete and therefore no new information can be added. God cannot learn, as the book of knowledge is "CLOSED". Then there is my belief, "THE OPEN BOOK OF POSSIBILITIES", which is shared by many, that God knows that in reality there are limited possibilities and He knows each and every possibility as if it were the only possibility. (reknew.org/2015/07/how-people-misunderstand-open-theism/) The all knowing God knows not only what the possibilities are, He knows what possible response He can Himself choose. This allows God to say, If you will do "A,B&C", I will do "X,Y&Z" but if you don't do "A,B&C", I will not do "X,Y&Z". This understanding of God's knowledge allows Him to test Abraham and after Abraham passes the test to proclaim, "Now I know". It allows God to do something hoping it will produce a certain result but finds that His efforts are rejected and He is grieved in His heart. Under the first theory, hope and grief make no sense. God bless you.

@stefanbach7652

3 жыл бұрын

@@jtbtdlkt2012 God had not created time yet so how could He possibly know anything about that which He has not created.

@jamesestrella5911

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion It seems to be that His knowledge has an element of contingency, at the very least, in the choices of his creatures. But I guess that necessarily follows if the choices are indeed up to the creatures, per the allowance of God. Otherwise, to believe that everything is absolutely and completely pre-determined before any creature's saying, means that no choice really occurs in the part of the creature. I believe in Open Theism, if only because it seems to be the only way to maintain both the Sovereignty of God, and freedom of creatures at the same time. Anthony Buzzard says that God chooses not to know some things, in order to allow for true freedom to exist in all creation.

Can you explain the meaning of Luke 16:19-31 please?

Great Job Brother, easy to follow and it didn't take any Greek or Hebrew to explain it either. Quick and to the point. Amen and Amen. James White can't handle the English simple 6th-grade reading comprehension, he needs Greek and Hebrew to n=make others think he is so smart when he is a fool. God Bless, Bro. Jim, "What's Happening Now Ministries"

Nice to see you again.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Hi again.

I feel so much free knowing that Calvinism is false. I had so many questions about how God elects and it made me more fearful of God because of it.

Good job sir

The phrase “us in him” in Ephesians 1:4 is referring to the saints in the church of Ephesus. Paul is telling them, they were chosen before the foundation of the world. Then Paul continues on in the next verse. “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Us” again is referring to the saints in Ephesus. Then Paul continues. “To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Compare 1:6 to 1:4. God made them accepted in the beloved by His grace. Thank you for your efforts, but I think the text is clear. God chose them, just like He chose some for salvation in 2Thes. 2:13. “But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:” ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

"Paul is telling them, they were chosen before the foundation of the world. " Chosen to be in him? NO. God chose those in Christ to be holy and blameless before Him.

@randym.7238

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brother. Truth.

Can somebody explain Hebrews 2 : 16 for me.. when I read it in my language the meaning of what I see in comparison with KJV is like day and night. There is nothing about taking upon the nature of angels.. I don't know whom to believe.. sometimes I become desperate finding truth because thera are so many errors and hidden agendas in translations and if you don't know hebrew and greek well you can be easily duped..

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

It basically means that Jesus was a human and not an angel. In context, the writer's point is that Jesus was a descendant of Abraham and as a Jew he was a brother to every other Israelite. Angels have no kinship to Jews but because Jesus was a human being, not an angel, he shared humanity with all his Jewish brethren. Verse 16 just means that Jesus' existence was a child of Abraham and not an angel. The writer is mentioning angels because these Hebrews were tempted to return to the Law, the "word spoken by angels." (Heb 2:2).

Much injustice to the Word Of God, when a person distorts such clear teachings of fulfilled professy brought forth in the finished work of Christ.

Amen 🙏 ❤️

Live as Jesus said and you shall know the Truth ( John 8:31,32) Like the Trinity, this issue cannot be sorted out by the Intellect but by personal Interaction with God!

The Bible is so simple that it takes a man to misunderstand it.

The word "chosen us in Him" reading in its context refers to Ephesians 1:1 that is the saints in Ephesus and those faithful in Christ including Apostle Paul. According to the texts "chosen us in him" are not referring to Christians.

“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. John 17:9‭-‬10‭, ‬20‭, ‬24 What is the Father giving the Son if not the elect. God's election does not mean God predestined people to help nor does it make him the author of evil. We all deserve hell but God as shown grace to those whom he has elected but they are also the ones who have placed there faith in Christ, which are both the truths of scripture. Satan is the first to rebel and the author of evil, but even from a non Calvinist look we all have to ask why he allowed Satan to rebel. You cannot say its because God does not infringe on free will because all throughout scripture he infringes on freewill.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

And?

@thefilmpoets

4 жыл бұрын

The father gave the Son the disciples, because they were part of the redemptive plan, and he was praying for the,. See John 17:6 - “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Leighton Flowers has some good stuff on reading scripture in light of God's redemptive plan.

According to The Inspired Words of The LORD Himself in The Bible, "many are called, but few are chosen"(Matthew 22:14), and the few who are chosen (Romans 9:11-23), were already individually chosen in The Lord by name (Romans 16:13), according to His foreknowledge (1 Peter 1:2, Acts 2:23, 15:18), before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11), which was before time began (2 Timothy 1:9-10). _______________________________________________ Election : 7 quick-reference Questions & Answers with exact Scripture references - 1. Does God choose everyone? No : many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 22:14, cf. Deuteronomy 7:6-8, 10:15, Acts 10:41, Romans 9:11-23). 2. Does God choose anyone? Yes : certain angels (1 Timothy 5:21), and specific individual people by name (Jeremiah 1:5, Acts 1:24, 9:15, 22:14, Romans 9:11-23, 16:13, Galatians 1:15, cf. Luke 10:20, Philippians 4:3, Revelation 3:5, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12-15, 21:27). 3. Why does God choose specific individual people by name? Because He loves them (Deuteronomy 7:6-8, cf. 4:37, 10:15, Romans 9:11-23, 1 John 4:19). 4. Where does God choose specific individual people by name? In The Lord (Romans 16:13, Ephesians 1:4). 5. When does God choose specific individual people by name? Before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11), which was before time began (2 Timothy 1:9). 6. How does God choose specific individual people by name? According to His foreknowledge (1 Peter 1:2, cf. Jeremiah 1:5, John 6:64, Acts 2:23, 15:18, Romans 8:29, 11:2). 7. What does God choose specific individual people by name for? Salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, cf. 2 Timothy 2:10), and holiness (Ephesians 1:4, cf. 2 Timothy 1:9)...

@TheTrinityDelusion

Жыл бұрын

There isn't a verse anywhere in the Bible which suggests God previously chose who would become a Christian. You have homework to do.

Devils also believe and they tremble.how many cried out .announcing His name and certainly not his birth or resurrection when He was in the lowest part of the earth led captivity captive and stripped away all principalities and put them to an open shame ! Just had to get my 2 James sense in

Pro or anti calvinism... for me Romans 9 settles it. But let us not overanalyze passages... bec 'His ways are not our ways' as finite Being before an infinite God. Best that we trust His severeign will, and that Christians unite and love one another, so others will see Jesus in us. For His glory.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Let us not see the facts too clearly eh?

God chose the "whole world" to be restored and reconciled back to himself . ALL IN CHRIST .1 Cor 15 Romans 8:29, Romans 11:32 , Acts 3:21 , 2 Cor ,5:19, 1 Timothy 4:10 & 2:3-4 , Rev 5:13 / 21:5 /22:5 . God's Sovereign authority ...Job 42:2 , Isaiah 55:11 .

If you will read 1 Corinthians 1.26-27 honestly, without any pre-conceived bias, and use simple LOGIC, as you read these two verses, you will have to admit that believers are chosen by God, not the other way around. These verses would not make any sense at all, if it was human free will that chose God.

Many biblical scholars think that Paul didn't write Ephesians. Or Colossians, 2 Thessalonians and 1, 2 Timothy & Titus.

Hi, glad that you are back and tackling some of these other really important issues. I've largely stayed quite quiet on the Calvinist-Arminian debate, as there seem to be verses either way. The logical conclusion to Calvinist predestination (especially when combined with penal substitution) would seem to me to include particular redemption, with the gospel message becoming "Your sins have either already been atoned for or they have not, you'll find out which.", which seems far from the model in Scripture. It radically alters how one thinks about their relationship with God, as why would God want to commune with creatures whose response was ultimately determined? Whilst most of the Calvinist 'proof texts' are either actually about a corporate election or an election to a particular ministry or characteristic, there still remain a few verses that seem to be 'individual' in scope and about salvation. These include John 6:37,39,44,65; 10:26; 17:11,12; Acts 13:48. In John 10:26, is Jesus saying that the cause of them believing (and thus becoming Christian) is that they are already in this fixed set called 'my sheep'? God seems to strongly influence the individual Pharaoh in Exodus 7:3; 9:12 even though it is also described as self-induced in 8:15,32. Whilst some of Rom 9 seems to be about corporate election, or election to service (e.g. v12), other parts seem more individualistic and about salvation (e.g. v15-23). Even though Rom 11:7,8,10 seems to be a corporate blinding influence, must it be manifested by many blinding influences on individuals? Thanks very much for covering this, I'd be really interested in seeing your response to other passages. God bless, John.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

They can't be Jesus' sheep before they are born again and have the Spirit dwelling within them. Romans 8:9b. If Pharaoh was Totally Depraved and had never been able to obey God, why did God need to harden his heart? In Romans 9, Paul is showing Jews under Law why God can have mercy on non-Jews apart from the Law if He likes.

Good morning Bro. Kel, Eugene here again. Many years ago (for me) when I was in my early 20's, I realized that Calvin was wrong. I realized that his doctrine made no sense and did not fit in the whole of who God is. I came to believe that there must be a correct place to put that piece of the "puzzle" with-in the whole picture. This is what I decided (by example): A wealthy man decided to form a new community of willing people so he made his plans known to all. He decided at the beginning to use his jet plane to carry these volunteers to his island where they would live with him. He did not decide who would get on the plane but he did decide which plane would go to the island. The only change I would make in the way you explained this doctrine is that I do not limit (describe) those who choose to get on the plane (be baptized into Christ) with the word, "Christians", I choose to use the word, "God's People" which would include all of God's People no matter when they lived. Abraham was (in my understanding) not a "Christian as the common use is" but was "in the body of Christ" as he saw by faith, the Messiah and accepted the promise of God. The people of the 12 tribes of Israel times the people of the New Covenant delivered to the 12 Apostles equals "all the people of God, that gives us the numerical name of this group, The 144, of which there are thousands. It is incorrect to translate this number as 144 thousand. It reads, I believe, 144 thousands. We say, the 12 tribes and we call the Apostles, the 12 and God called the thousands of his people from both groups of the faithful, the 144. That is my understanding now but I am still chewing. God bless.

@TheTrinityDelusion

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus is the Ark of our salvation. He is Gods chosen ONE. All those IN HIM are IN the chosen one. Thats how we become chosen. We are in the chosen ark of salvation - Jesus.

@originalhigene

5 жыл бұрын

Amen.

Read verse one. The us he chose, is the faithful in Christ. The chosen are the ones who put faith in Christ. Wow. How simple.

@shredhed572

Жыл бұрын

So true 👍 And to be Holy (sanctified) and without blame (blemish) These are what Paul says. These things are not salvation, but are additional blessings. Adoption as well. Adoption isn't salvation either. But a blessing over and above salvation. (Piling on blessings is so like Him!) I say it like this: When we were saved, and our sins were forgiven He could have left it at that. We would then have simply been citizens of His Kingdom. (And Glory to God for that) But He >also Ie: "them hath He >>also

Read all of the Bible folks . Read it and live. Do Acts 1:8 .!! Get the blessing of the HOLY SPIRIT . Work for the nite comes when no one can work. Give up any wisdom or counseling that exalts itself against the knowledge of GOD !! By your WORKS OF LOVE YOU WILL BE KNOWN . Letter kills - spirit gives life. Don’t be enticed by vain Babblers of a fault filled Doctrine.

The direct object of the verb chose is "us". Any 5th grader knows that. The word Him is the object of the preposition. Any 5th grader should know that too. Maybe after people get old they forget these things.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

You don't seem to understand that your grammar realizations don't help you here.

Every video you seetrying to refute Calvinism never deals with the whole section of the chapter of the verse they're trying to refute. They never ever exegete the whole section where the verse is. This video is yet another example of that. They can never deal with a verse in the actual section of the Bible that it's in. They have to play some Bible Bingo trick jumping around to other verses and other sections of the Bible to try to make the verse they're talking about mean something it doesn't mean. They will never try exegeting a verse in the context of the section that the verses in. This video is no exception.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

The next verse refers to the same thing as Romans 8:23. You will find that the facts show you are badly mistaken.

@nikelemccain3664

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion seems to me that Calvinist defend Calvinism fiercely, & a little more fiercely than they defend Jesus Christ. After a couple years of considering Calvinism, that's the obvious conclusion along with many others concerning Calvinism

If the word Us in Ephesians 1:4 does not mean specific individuals then you have Jesus dying for a nebulous unknown group. And if it is a nebulous unknown group then how did he know who would be in the group?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

You really don't think very hard before you speak do you? Jesus died for every Israelite who lived and died before him. Why do you think that sign was above his head?

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Are you an Israelite? If not then Jesus did not for for you! The sign above his head was to mock him.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

He was indeed the King of the Jews. Perhaps you didn't catch that part. But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Read your Bible. Now that Israel has been redeemed, the nations may come in.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Ok. If you believe that then Jesus did not die for you personal. I don't care if you believe that. You definitely have another Jesus than I have

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion My God knew who he was going to save when he created the world. Your god had no idea.

how can you possibly deny the trinity?

I have a much different view then what is shared here... I share it in my last livestream entitled God- JESUS MY VIEW- I am not a Trinitarian and share and agree with many things spoken by this brother, however.. watch my live and this will make much much more sense. Ps. I’m not a Calvinist either. It’s called spiritual and physical.. I reveal it in its simplist form on video

(Before him In love)

Hello Kel, I first want to say that I've greatly enjoyed all your Trinity videos, as I've watched the vast majority of them and agree with almost all your insights. I do not identify as a Calvinists as even they do not fully believe the entirety of the scriptures, especially since they typically believe God to be a Trinity, which we both know is not scripturally supported. Based purely on scripture, not my opinion, I believe that the Bible consistently teaches that God is sovereign and will do everything he declares/desires to do, where man has a will, but it is not free from spiritual influence, therefore man does not posses a free will. Let me try to give a scriptural narrative, many of which you've already heard, but let me try to paint this new picture with all respect and love as a fellow believer in our Lord Christ Jesus and our God the Father. Isaiah 46:8-11 8“Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, you transgressors, 9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it. Psalm 115:3 3 Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases. Isaiah 45:7 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 10:5-7 5 The Lord says, “I will use Assyria like a stick. In my anger I will use Assyria to punish Israel. 6 I will send Assyria to fight against the people who do evil. I am angry with them, and I will command Assyria to fight against them. Assyria will defeat them and take their wealth. Israel will be like dirt for Assyria to walk on in the streets. 7 “But Assyria does not understand that I will use him. He does not think of himself as my tool. He only wants to destroy other people. He only plans to destroy many nations. Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. Romans 8:27-30 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, becauseg the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,h for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 9:10-25 10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- 12she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion,b but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25As indeed he says in Hosea, Romans 11:1-11 1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,a a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” 4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. 7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.” 9 And David says, “Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; 10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever.” 11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusionb mean! 1 Corinthians 2 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruitsd to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Titus 1 1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began 3 and at the proper time manifested in his word through the preaching with which I have been entrusted by the command of God our Savior; 1 Peter 1:1-2 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: Revelation 13:8-10 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear: 10 If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. There are many, many more verses Kel. You don't have to subscribe to Calvinism to see that the doctrine of God's sovereign will and man's lack there of are scripturally supported. Where I also greatly differ with Calvinism is their understanding of Hell and eternal destruction, but that is not what your video is about. What you might be wondering then, if God's will, WILL be done then what is God's ultimate purpose and plan as given in the scriptures. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Timothy 4:10 10For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. (to be continued)

@gatorjosh14

6 жыл бұрын

So this is a very high level view which is based on scripture only, not theological school or apologetic teachers. God declares his will and sovereignty throughout the Bible and he also states that he sent Jesus to be the savior of the entire world. Contrary to popular Christian teachings, God is not thwarted by human free will and does everything out of love, even his judgements. 1 Corinthians 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. 1 Peter 4:12-19 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Not all of humanity is called to be part of Christ's firstfruits, therefore not all will be in the first resurrection, but only those God has elected according to his purpose. Simply, no one "knows" if they are elect or not so we are to work out our salvation, as Paul puts it, with fear and trembling and finish the race. However, by our spiritual fruits, one can know if they are saved and have the Holy Spirit of our Father working in them because a fig tree will produce figs and not rotten fruit. I do not find it helpful to obsess over election and free will, because that is beyond our control, rather we should focus on the high calling of Christ and if we're given eyes and ears to see and listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying, then we should be obedient IF God has given us the faith to do so. Ultimately, we can't take credit for the faith being of us, because we know it's from God. He is the potter, we are the clay and it is only by God's grace that we are not a vessel of destruction! In conclusion though, there is a second resurrection and a Great White Throne judgement where God judges the world through Jesus and there every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father. The purification in the Lake of Fire will destroy all carnality of the flesh (flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God) and even though these individuals (God willing I'm not one of them) will suffer loss of all the carnality they will be saved yet so as by that same fire. It won't be a pleasant experience and it's not a free pass, but then God will become all in all after this process and he will truly fulfill: 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain. The 1000 year reign with Christ is the reward for the elect, but at the end of that age and the Great White Throne judgement there will be a time when all of humanity from Adam to the last human will be saved by God, because he has the power to do so and declared that this is his desire and purpose. Ezekiel 16:44-63 44 “Behold, everyone who uses proverbs will use this proverb about you: ‘Like mother, like daughter.’ 45 You are the daughter of your mother, who loathed her husband and her children; and you are the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46 And your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. 47 Not only did you walk in their ways and do according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. 48 As I live, declares the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. 49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. 51 Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed. 52 Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have intervened on behalf of your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous. 53 “I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst, 54 that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all that you have done, becoming a consolation to them. 55 As for your sisters, Sodom and her daughters shall return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former state, and you and your daughters shall return to your former state. 56 Was not your sister Sodom a byword in your mouth in the day of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered? Now you have become an object of reproach for the daughters of Syriah and all those around her, and for the daughters of the Philistines, those all around who despise you. 58 You bear the penalty of your lewdness and your abominations, declares the Lord. 59 “For thus says the Lord God: I will deal with you as you have done, you who have despised the oath in breaking the covenant, 60 yet I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish for you an everlasting covenant. 61 Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you take your sisters, both your elder and your younger, and I give them to you as daughters, but not on account ofi the covenant with you. 62 I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the Lord, 63 that you may remember and be confounded, and never open your mouth again because of your shame, when I atone for you for all that you have done, declares the Lord God.” Romans 11:25-36 25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:d a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; 27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowe receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! 34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” 35 “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?” 36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. I tried not to go too deep into this topic, but I didn't want to just leave you with, "God is sovereign and man has no free will", haha...his plan is much bigger and grander than that. I pray that our God and Lord blesses you and gives you eyes and ears to hear what he has to say on this. Please correct me by scripture if anything I've said is not accurate, have a blessed day Kel!

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Hi gator. Calvinists have redefined what the word Sovereignty means to suit their doctrine. Everywhere else it means one thing; in Calvinism it means another. In Calvinist world it means absolutely everything that ever occurs was predetermined by God or he isn't sovereign. This is misguided. Sovereignty is a measure of one's authority and power no matter what his subjects are doing. The Calvinist God is a weakling. He must control absolutely everything in order to get the outcome He wants. He rules like a tyrannical dictator rules needing to be in control of everything to ensure His purposes will be fulfilled. That isn't sovereignty; it's an illustration of weakness. A true God of power does not need to worry about what men might do or not do. No matter what men do, whether they disobey him or not, whether they do his will or not, He will get the outcomes He wants and have His purposes fulfilled because He is powerful enough to make it happen despite what men are doing. He is not a weakling who needs to control every event. The Calvinist God is only a reflection of their own weak humanity. Yes God does what He pleases but that doesn't amount to every single event being planned by God. And indeed, if God predetermined every single event, it means he willed everything that occurs and every unthinkable heinous sin you can imagine was God's will and at the same time God commands those sinning men to do otherwise but they can't because they were not chosen to and that's what he predestined. But it's their fault even though they could not have done otherwise. Every unthinkable act is God's predestined will in Calvinist world. I don't think so. That's insanity not the Living God. 1 Corinthians 2:7 refers to the mystery of God which is the revelation of Jesus Christ the son of God who has been given all authority in heaven and earth. Revelation 13:8 tells us the SON was predestined and life is found in him. HE is the chosen ONE. To be chosen you must be found in the chosen one. To be a son you must be found in the Son. Now lets take 2 Thess 2:13-14 for example. Paul is not talking about God choosing who would become a Christian. Read the context. He is saying they are chosen for salvation when Jesus comes. Ephesians 2:8-9 for example. It is not our doing because God chose to send his Son as our salvation and He didn't do this as a reaction to anything man did. God planned to do things. He prophesied of the things He planned to occur. There are no prophesies of this conversation and God didn't predestine it to happen. He is just as Sovereign as He ever was.

@gatorjosh14

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Kel, thanks for the reply, feel free to call me Josh! I agree with you fully that our God is not weak and doesn't "need" to control everything, but he simply does as he wills. Isaiah 46:10-11 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it. Obviously, God has to have control over everything (I don't mean it in the way a Calvinists would mean it) in order for prophecy to come true, I'm sure you would not disagree with that aspect or imply that men could thwart one of God's prophecies. But I will try to phrase it like this: man is accountable, but God is responsible. Example, when you were born, you didn't "choose" any of those circumstances...your parents, where you were born, what you looked like, if you were aborted, if you were poor or wealthy, if your family believed in God or not, or if you were born in the middle of the Amazon rain-forest; I'm sure we both agree with that, that is beyond any human control. Ultimately, God is responsible for that. Upon being born, you now grow up daily, making choices about what to eat, who to be friends with, what hobbies you enjoy etc., however never really knowing why you choose any of those things other than you do and you like them. God holds us accountable for our actions and words, and we are said to give an account in the day of judgement, however God is ultimately fair and just and is responsible for all that happened to you. Using Job as an example, he was completely unaware of what was occurring in the heavenly realms and how God had given Satan permission to test him. From Job's perspective, he said "The Lord gives and he takes away, but praised be the name of the Lord". Ultimately, Job knew God was in control of everything and Satan was not allowed to harm Job until God had given him permission. God had given him all that he had and after the trial, God doubled all his blessings after rebuking Job for claiming to be punished unjustly by God and Job repented for questioning God's wisdom. Job was accountable to how he conducted himself during the trial, but God was responsible for bringing the trial upon him. Likewise, Dr. Michael Heiser covers the way God conducts business with the Divine Council in pretty good detail, I obviously disagree with him on many theological points, but this part I think he gets accurate. 1 Kings 22:19-23 19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” This is how God is sovereign and rules over all. He sends the spiritual world to conduct his will and men are unaware of this influence, which is why they do not have free will, but a will none the less. Ephesians 6:12-13 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. The true point of predestination and God's election is that God is the one choosing us and not us choosing him: Romans 3:9-12 9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 6:70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” As Jesus makes clear, through the Holy Spirit, he chose the 12 disciples even though knowing one of them would betray him. If you argue for free will, then potentially Judas could have made him a liar by choosing NOT to betray him, but we know that Jesus never sinned and God his Father can never lie. Rather than looking at humans, as many would think predestination requires, as robots doing only what they are made to do, we already willingly sin, we were created that way. Contrary to "The Fall" theology, Adam and Eve were not made perfect, if they were they would have not been capable of sinning, the mere fact that they sinned means they were not perfect, as God is. Jesus was the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world because God already knew that Adam and Eve would disobey his command not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. In summary Kel, as we may not see eye to eye on this, God has a plan for mankind and will see that to fruition. He doesn't need man's permission or have to worry about man's supposed free will getting in his way. He is a loving Father who will eventually bring all to repentance through his son Jesus and no one will be able to claim they did it of their own will and volition. We may "think" that we are choosing Jesus, but really God is the one giving us the faith to believe, so have have empathy for non-believers as it has not yet been given to them to understand the Kingdom of God, which is why we "love our enemies and do good to those that persecute us". Romans 3:4 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I wonder if he would want somebody to read what he wrote like he is reading what Paul wrote...I don't think so

And don’t forget, Calvin had one of his Christian brothers burned at the stake over a theological disagreement. Heresy was the charge. Could you imagine? Let’s just say someone did have a heretical belief, so instead of showing, proving with scripture their error, you light them on fire publicly? Are you guys sure that Christ isn’t going to spit Calvin out of his mouth and tell him that he never knew him? Are you sure…. Calvinism is so so bad. It’s embarrassing really.

Acts 2:38-47 , Calvinism 1536 by John Calvin . I guess The Church of England didn't like it as they started in 1534 . I believe that was the start in making ignorance.

If God knows someone is going to choose him Before Time began then he must have predetermined it. How else would he know?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

What does that have to do with Ephesians 1:4? The question at hand concerns what Paul is saying at Ephesians 1:4.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Because if Paul said people are chosen Before Time began to be Christians then it must be predetermined who will be Christians.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Paul didn't say God chose specific individuals for anything. He said God chose "us in him." That means God chose those who are in his son to be holy and blameless before him. It doesn't say anything about God choosing who would be in Christ.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Yes it does. It says he chose us. Who do you think the US is? The US in that sentence are specific individuals. In him is the condition. It's like if I say God chose us in secret before the foundation of the world to be saved. In secret would be the condition or the manner in which he chose us. That's why I told you to diagram the sentence. If you knew how to diagram a sentence you would see that you're wrong. You are ignoring basic 5th grade grammar. The same grammar rules apply to the Bible as it would any other literature.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Are you deaf man? Of course there are specific individuals included in the US group. It still doesn't say God chose who would be in that US group. The sentence says what God chose those in that group to be. Basic reading comprehension.

Who makes man a god that he may pull out a red pen he didn’t create the correct the Creator?!!?!?!?

slant six: you must have a Bible with Jn. 3:16 delated. the Bible says "God is not willing that ANY should perish" calvanist say God is pleased to dam people,. Why do you believe the calvanist? Rev. 22:17 says "let him that hearth say COME", but YOU can't tell him that hears to come. Sad and dangerous to take away from the Lord's inviation to tell others to COME. I believe Jesus not the Catholic calvanist.

Thanks, excellent job. Calvinism is truly one of the worst deceptions!

Jesus also say that him and the Father are one and if that is not true, than the Jews were abiding by there laws and did the right thing to Jesus.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

What is the context about? And why did Jesus pray for his disciples to be one with he himself and the Father JUST AS the Father and Son are one?

I agree brother Kel but in Romans 9 God already predestine persons for Noble purposes and ignobel purposes. Brother Kel you can say that all theologies are Cults. 🐟Romans 9:13-23 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Keep reading after verse 4. Everything you said then falls apart. There are so many calvinist versus you would be able to make videos on them for the rest of your life.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid you are mistaken.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Here is the whole section of Ephesians so people can see you're wrong: The Blessings of Redemption 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s ownpossession, to the praise of His glory.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Like I said, you are mistaken.

@abckids3476

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion People can read it plainly for themselves and decide One thing is for sure that antiCalvinist never exegetes the whole section of the verse they're trying to refute. If one exists I'd like to see it.

@urawesome4670

3 жыл бұрын

@@abckids3476 I agree, the Calvinists have accepted it is according to Gods mercy. The non Calvinists have a problem with that and try to come up with something they did then God responded. Jesus already addressed this issue and said the flesh profits nothing. The non Calvinists are the one with the confirmation biasness issue. Kevin Thompson, Leighton Flowers are only a couple.

Brother Kel’s theology....God only offered to save everyone but isn’t saving anyone...and because God had a plan to offer to save you, his plan will ultimately fail because most wont choose to believe...God tried and failed, and failed rather miserably....the God of Brother Kel

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

Go and read Matthew 15:24; Romans 3:25, and Hebrews 9:15, and see if you can figure out all by yourself where your own claim is a miserable failure.

@Mattissaved

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion Why do people go to Hell ? Did Christ pay for their sins yet they just didn’t believe?

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mattissaved Sorry but your corrupt Calvinist contraptions aren't going to work today. Jesus is the hilasterion for any number of sins and any number of people.

@Mattissaved

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion Either God is saving everyone he set out to save , causing limited atonement in its application because not all will be saved, or he set out to save everyone and his plan to save everyone failed causing his atonement to be limited in effect. It sounds to me by you using the word “hilasterion” and “any number of people” you’re trying to cover all bases....which is why you can’t answer the question of why people go to hell ? Is it because of unbelief or sin that wasn’t paid for ? Kel....you’re already trapped, I’m just proving your low view of God. Finally....who said anything about Calvinism ?

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mattissaved Again, your corrupt Calvinist contraptions won't work today. God didn't "set out to save" specific identities from the nations. And people are cast into Gehenna for their sins which is why Jesus warned his own disciples.

...if you are saying that God did not choose specific people to be saved..then how about the Christians that you are saying? Are they not specific people chosen by God? The problem with this video is .. Calvinist dont tell specific people who will be saved.. They are saying that God predestinated people who will be christians...which is the same idea with what this video is saying

@TheTrinityDelusion

Жыл бұрын

I think you need to watch the video again

I refute this piece... I think you are incorrect to label it that Christians are Chosen as Jesus said Many who call me Lord will not be recognized. (Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will. enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who. does the will of my Father who is in heaven.) [so therefore it is not all Christians, but a specific class the little flock] The Christ is not Just Jesus. The Christ is the whole Body of Christ (church, bride, saints, kings who will reign). For Paul to say that the whole Body was Chosen before the foundations of the world just corresponds to Genesis 1:26 Let us make man in our image and in our LIKENESS. John says this about the likeness. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if [a]he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. and Isaiah confirms the Genesis scripture to mean the end. with this Isaiah 46: 10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; Just like Adam died for his Bride Even so Christ Gave himself up for His Bride (directly) But in doing so he gave the rest of the world a Chance to be governed by them in the resurrection. 1 John 2: 1 ...Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

@shredhed572

Жыл бұрын

Adam didn't die for eve

But wait a sec Kel, you said that this is the Trinity Delusion not every heresy....so if you could address the heresy of calvinism then why not oneness?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Because the subject of predestination pertains to the doctrine of the Trinity.

@mac2brown

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion 😑😕

@jerrysaldana5819

6 жыл бұрын

Because the ones doctrine is not heretical.

Excellent yes this is true and also they get the "faith is a gift" verse wrong. I can't stand Calvinism and I believe old Auggie created the trinity.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

In his attempt to justify the Trinity, Augustine said several things which are downright laughable.

@mac2brown

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion yes he must have been drunk out of his mind! Augustine's and Calvin's writings are juvenile scribblings.

Thank you! Calvinist's have a strong spirit of error. The Calvinist seems to be missing the "greatest" of these --- IS (LOVE)! (LOVE) covers a multitude of sin! GOD SO (LOVED) THE "WORLD" --- (NOT) --- GOD so LOVED the (elect).--- it doesn't say that. And YES, (Isaiah 42:1) - JESUS CHRIST IS GOD'S "ELECT" SERVANT. IN WHOM HE IS WELL PLEASED GOD (chose) before the foundation of the "WORLD" --- that (those) who would (believe) in/on HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST shall be saved. We are HOLY and blameless. (hidden) (IN HIM) - (JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR)! JESUS CHRIST IS THE "ELECT" SERVANT --- THE "ELECT" ONE --- THE "ELECT" LAMB OF GOD! All who "BELIEVE" GOD'S GOSPEL --- are "elect" in JESUS CHRIST --- to be (justified), (sanctified), (glorified), (adopted). To "BECOME" (SONS) OF GOD! JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY (BEGOTTEN) OF THE FATHER! GLORY TO GOD! PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!

I would be very interested to talk about how you understand exegesis and hermeneutics, because your exegesis leaves a lot to be desired and some of the things you say is easily questionable. I would love you see debate Dr James White on Calvinism.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

James White and exegesis don't belong in the same sentence.

@francoisvanstaden8943

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Really? I can see you have no respect for any other Christian brothers. Maybe read 1 Cor 13 before you carry on.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

False prophets are your brothers?

Interesting video... Spoken with all the arrogance and condescension of one who believes he was able to affect his own salvation. Other than repetitive rebukes of people who interpret scripture differently than you do, without providing any Biblical basis for your own interpretation, you reveal the foundation for your argument: that anyone who reads this passage differently than you do lacks the skill of “basic reading comprehension,” and misses the “truth” that is clear to you. This way of thinking reveals a heart devoid of the kind of meekness, poorness of spirit and grieving of your depravity which are necessary to acknowledge and be broken by your sin and truly accept Christ as Lord. You make a passing reference to Pauline doctrine, and then proceed to reveal that you have no understanding of it. Pauline doctrine, as it applies to election, is that we are dead in our sins, totally incapable of doing anything to change our spiritual destiny by our own power, and that our only hope is that The Holy Spirit convicts us; that God gives us a regenerate heart, and that we then respond to His calling of us to Him in the only way that new heart can - by believing the only solution to our plight as sinners is to accept and proclaim Christ as Lord, that He died for our sins, and was resurrected by The Father, and by that set of beliefs we will be saved. I pray that you’ll stop Making these videos and spend some time in prayer yourself - asking God to help kill the old man that still lives in you, and to strip away the arrogance of spirit that separates you from Him.

@TheTrinityDelusion

5 жыл бұрын

You babble.

@TheApostleP

5 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion No, not really. I wrote in clear, complete English sentences, from a biblical foundation. Whether your response was honest or sarcastic, it proves my point either way. You either understood it and responded out of dismissive, arrogant malice, or you can’t comprehend a biblical argument made against a 16-minute 34-second speech conceived by the mind of a man.

@TheTrinityDelusion

5 жыл бұрын

Learn how to speak from facts rather than your personal fantasies.

@TheApostleP

5 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Exactly! I’m glad you have resolved to do that!

What does PAUL exhort in preaching the Gospel of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.when in Romans. Chapter 14 he said to receive one who is weak.in the faith without...doubtful disputations.for one eats meat another herbs. So no stupid 60's comments like " tongue in cheek" for you are blessed with faithful Abraham who did not stagger at the promise of God.So judgement does start in the house of God grace is sufficianyt%

John 3:16 destroys Calvinism. GOD so loved the *(world),* He gave His only Begotten Son. Calvinism say: GOD so loved *(ONLY SOME he chose before creation)* He gave His only Begotten Son just for them alone.

This fellow is making some pointed a broad statements and making contentious remarks. He has some good things to say but he is quite a bit condescending

you are ideas and mind are respectful but the channel needs more professional graphics and video editing to be like the other channels

AWESOME VIDEO!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

I guess you will have something to boast about before God, then, won't you?

@nikelemccain3664

4 жыл бұрын

Only in God's work! Trusting Him, having confidence in Him or being persuaded by Him or is not a work, but is what faith is.

No, No, You say one does not become in Christ until he is regenerated. No, he is regenerated because he was chosen in Christ from the beginning. 2Thes 2:13

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

So then when you were still God's enemy, you were in Christ just like you were after you were reconciled to God. Is that about right?

@kevinmccue7672

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion Thats right. God placed the ones out of fallen humanity, that he would save, into Christ so that they being “in him” Eph 1:4 benefited by the work of redemption done in their behalf. The elect are seen by God as having kept his law perfectly because Christ kept it for them. And their substitute paid the penalty for their sins. So they were justified at Christ’s resurrection Rom 4:25 Thats why it is said: Heb 10:14 Only the elect have been perfected by Christ.

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmccue7672 That's quite a contraption you have there.

@heaththielen8259

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion wow. This man straight up affirmed the thought that he was in Christ before he was in Christ like it was nothing. Ephesians 2 has something to say about that

A very strange interpretation 'us in him' you forgot to put a comma after 'us' us, in him. In-Christ. This phrase is often repeated in the book of Ephesians. It is a pity that Christians like yourself spend a lot of time dividing believers into different categories. Arminian or Calvinist. This I believe grieves the Spirit of God. I tend to avoid such people. They believe they are doing the right thing, but at the end of the day, they keep driving a wedge between believers. This is unnecessary. Please cease dividing the body of Christ. The following is taken from the Wycliffe Bible Commentary. Verse 4, As he hath chosen us. This is middle voice in Greek; that is, he chose us for himself. The scripture has much to say about God's electing love. The Doctrine of election is never presented in scripture as something to be afraid of ( please do not be afraid that God has chosen some to eternal life and not others ) but always has something for believers to rejoice in. ( amen!! ) Note that we are chosen in him, that is, In-Christ and that this choice took place before the foundation of the world. God's purposes are eternal. That we should be holy and without blame before him. ( do you actually believe this? Or do you still doubt? ) This is the purpose for which God has chosen us In-Christ. The phrase 'in love' probably belongs with what follows rather than with what precedes; that is, in love having predestinated us. ( yes, I know that this sounds to good to be true, but we should not be afraid to accept that God predestined us In-Christ before God created the world. This is something we should rejoice and praise Him forever and ever. That He chose sinners to be adopted as his sons and to be holy and blameless before him because of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross. When God looks at us, He does not see us as sinners, but as holy and blameless Saints in Christ. When you understand that, then you no longer need to divide believers into a Arminian or Calvinist camp. God does not see us that way, so neither should we. All of us are BELIEVERS In-Christ. Holy and blameless. Not Calvininist or Arminian or calathumpian. Blessings to you and your loved ones. )

..what???!!!! ..so God chose to make believers holy and blameless.. ..ok.. ..was there any other choice.. ..so God really could have chosen to make believers unholy and blameless.. ..obviously not.. ..by believing we became holy and blameless through the atonement of jesus.. ..that is the whole point of believing so what this guy is saying is that first we believe and second God chooses to either make us holy or unholy.. ..for there to be an actual choice there must be 2 possible outcomes at minimum..

@TheTrinityDelusion

3 жыл бұрын

"so what this guy is saying is that first we believe and second God chooses to either make us holy or unholy" No, you are mistaken. Try again. Obviously you didn't get it the first time.

@cddpmpls35

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion ..ummm then what choice did God make..

@cddpmpls35

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion ..what was God choosing between..

@cddpmpls35

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion ..your convoluted bullshit is not logically sound..

@cddpmpls35

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion ..n I ain't a calvinist....

Trinity delusion? The bible clearly shows the holy spirit is a "Devine being," just like the father, and the son. There is evidence of the holy spirit in genesis as well. In Acts Peter called the holy spirit God. Acts 5:3-4 KJV 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Jesus is telling the people he will pray to the father and he will send them another helper, a comforter. John 14:15-17 KJV 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (Jesus just called the holy spirit a "he") 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Your Calvinists video is spot on, thank you for this video but you need to be careful with denying the "trinity" and Holy Spirit. I don't know if it's a SALVATION issue to be completely honest but what I do know is the only unforgivable sin is the "blaspheme" of the holy spirit. Mark 3:28-30 KJV Jesus speaking here : 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Of course Peter said what he said at Acts 5:3-4. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit. The risen Jesus is that Spirit which he received from the Father. As for John 14:15-17, read the next verse. What does it say?

@tonypaoletto6631

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Jesus refers to the holy spirit being sent from the father to us as the comforter. Being sent in the name of Jesus but still a separate divine nature, deity, being. You're denieing the deity of the Godhead which is denieing the deity of the Holy Spirit, which the Lord is strict about clearly. And you should meditate on the mark verse I stated and don't shy away from that because that's important according to Jesus. Why would Jesus call the holy spirit a "HE"? John 14:26 but the comforter which is the holy ghost, whom the father will send in my name, "HE" shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberence, whatsoever I have said unto you. How about genesis in the very first book. God says "us" and "our" which is obviously a reference that there is more than one, there is a Godhead. Genesis 1:26 and God said let "US" make man in "OUR" image. He's not just talking about Jesus either because the spirit is in genesis as well several times. Even the old testament gives references of a father, son, and holy spirit.

@tonypaoletto6631

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion Scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit has divine attributes and works, and is spoken of in the same way that the Father and Son are. The Holy Spirit is intelligent, and speaks and acts like a divine Person. This is part of the scriptural evidence that led early Christians to formulate the doctrine of the Trinity my friend. Scripture speaks repeatedly of the Holy Spirit, known also as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit is of the same essence as the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is ascribed with the attributes of God, is equated with God and does work that only God does. Scripture shows us the holy spirit has attributes, is equated with God. The spirit does divine work, we can refer gensis 1:2, job 33:4, psalm 104:30, and expelling demons in Mathew 12:28. Scripture describes the Holy Spirit as having personal characteristics: The Spirit has mind and will, speaks and can be spoken to, and acts and intercedes for us. These indicate that the Spirit is personal-a Person or Hypostasis in the same sense that the Father and Son are. Our relationship with God, which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit, is a personal relationship. The spirit has life and intelligence. Life: The Holy Spirit “lives” (Romans 8:11; 1 Corinthians 3:16). 2. Intelligence: The Spirit “knows” (1 Cor­inthians 2:11). Romans 8:27 refers to “the mind of the Spirit.” This mind is able to make judgments - a decision “seemed good” to the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28). These verses imply intelligence. Will: 1 Corinthians 12:11 says that the Spirit “determines” decisions, showing that the Spirit has a will. The holy spirit "communicates" with us and "takes action." Numerous verses say that the Holy Spirit spoke (Acts 8:29; 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:7;

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

So any entity which speaks and acts like a single person IS a single person? Is that what you are arguing?

@tonypaoletto6631

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion scripture is pretty clear

Calvinism is definitely a false,satanic Doctrine! But,the Trinity is NOT a Delusion! God IS tri-part,just as we are tri-part in his image! The father,the son and the Holy Spirit are ONE and the Exact same being,and at precisely the same time they are 3 independent separate identitys as well! God bless you!

@TheTrinityDelusion

Жыл бұрын

The only God is our Lord's God.

@stephenbarnigham5192

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion Amen! And they are ONE!

You need to repent of your sin... Read John 15:16 16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. John 6:70 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?” Put away your human pride, take it out of your back pocket and step on it and crush it to dust....God hates pride, He opposes the proud....

@thefilmpoets

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus is talking to the disciples here. This is a descriptive text.

@shirasheartbeats

4 жыл бұрын

chosen for salvation or for ..a purpose? there is a difference. i cannot believe God choose some people for salvation and some..to eternal hell: fire and torment. but I did believe..and it was just torment. I believe He desires EVERYONE TO REPENT AND HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. that's why Yeshua died for the sin of the..world.

No , you just can't read. Are you that heLL bent on twisting verses ? Are you scared that you might not be chosen ? Ps. 25: says meek men of God accepts everything God says and does. You don't like it, maybe you think your in Christ through easy believism, and didn't have a true conversion. So I guess you think something in you is good. When the scriptures say the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and we don't even know it , only God does. Or maby you think you have some good in you and God says our good is no good. Jer. 17:9; Isa. 64:6; And Jesus reiterates it in Mrk. 7:18-23 so where does that leave mankind ? DOOMED. GOD has to quicken us cause man can't do it.

@TheTrinityDelusion

Жыл бұрын

You didn't address a single point I made in this video. I'm thinking you are projecting.

@alonzomccloud4530

Жыл бұрын

@The Trinity Delusion It is simple " ... God chose us in him before the foundation of the world." It means what it says... chose is in the aorist tense meaning action done in the past, but does not tell us when in the past, but Paul supplies the time, or rather eternity past "...before the foundation of the world." Got it ? All of it goes together. There is no corridors of time scripture doesn't even hint at it. Roman 8:29 "...forknow." is an active verb meaning he knew them in the past. e.g., not what they were going to do, but knew them personally. Jeremiah 1:5 " before I formed the in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." And I don't know how the easy believers push their jack wears saying God doesn't force his will, or won't over ride human will, God doesn't respect mankinds sinful will, he respects no man's person. Paul on the road to Damascus, did Christ come down and say, ' please accept my invitation to receive eternal life? No, he knocked him off his horse with his presence. Jesus didn't care where he was going per se, but he interrupted where he was going. Acts 17:30 says : Did Jesus pray for the world or did he pray for those whom the Father hath given him.? I answered your question, Now can you answer the above guestion...

@TheTrinityDelusion

Жыл бұрын

@@alonzomccloud4530 "us in him" refers to believes because it is only believers who are in him. Paul is telling us what God chose believers to be - holy and blameless. That's the plain reading of the text.

Calvinism is malevolent

Lets start with your first fallacy. Calvinism is not a cult and by you trying to mislead people by calling it a cult shows that you are a dishonest person. Calvinism is a system of theology developed from a sound understanding and interpretation of the Word of God. As Charles Spurgeon said "Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else". It is interesting to watch you manipulate and twist Ephesians to fit into your system of theology instead of simply taking the text for what it says. I know you do not like the idea of predestination or the idea that God would chose a group of people for salvation before the foundation of earth but this is what Ephesians is talking about. If we look at God in the Old Testament we see that he chose the people of Israel to be His special people, they did not choose Him, He chose them. Read the Ezekiel 36, God vindicated the people of Israel for His glory and not for theirs. He declared that they would be His people and He would be their God and they had no say in the matter because it is not about them, it is about Him, His glory and His great name. God is sovereign even over all things, even our salvation. Jesus said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will rise him up on the last day" (John 6:44). People do not and cannot come to Christ on their own, they come to Christ because God the Father has drawn them to Him. In other words, God predestines people for salvation. "for those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be confirmed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And for those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and for those whom he justified he also glorified" (Romans 8:29-30). Keep reading the text and you will see that Paul is adamant about the fact that the elect in Christ will not be separated from the love of Christ. This is because the elect were called according to God's will and for God's glory. Just because people read the Word of God and see something differently than you do it does not make them heretics and it does not mean that they are part of a cult! I mean you don't believe in the trinity, should I assert that you are part of a cult? Calvinists are not adding or removing anything from the Word of God, we believe every word and teach every word.

@TheTrinityDelusion

5 жыл бұрын

Calvinists do nothing but make excuses for themselves.

@soundmin

5 жыл бұрын

Powerful rebuttal... Thank you for showing us your true colors.

@evanu6579

5 жыл бұрын

Sound Ministries The Golden Chain of Redemption ? In Romans 8:28-30 Paul is discussing the forefathers, who loved God, as an example of hope for the church in Rome. As Paul encourages the church, he uses men like Abraham as an example, for the hope that we have. I believe this to be a reiteration of statements he made in Romans 4. There’s no reason not to think that the foreknew in Romans 8, is of the same class of people as the foreknew in Romans 11........ Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew....... (Amos 3:1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, 2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.) First let's look at the flow of thought which leads up to this passage. vv1-16. We must walk in the Spirit. The Spirit confirms that we are children of God. vv17-19. If we suffer with Christ, we will also be glorified with Him. vv20-23. The entire creation is groaning, and in bondage from the fall, waiting for that day of redemption vv24-25. But our great hope is that we will be glorified with Him. vv26-27. The Spirit also helps us through this troublesome time. vv28. And we know (an appeal to their knowledge of the scriptures) that all things work together for good to them that love God. To them who are the called according to His purpose. vv29. Those whom He knew from before, He also purposed to receive a glorified body. vv30. And whom He predestinated, he also called. (Abraham called….) Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. vv30. Whom He called, He also justified. (Abraham justified….) Rom 4:3. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. vv30. Whom He justified, He also glorified. (Abraham glorified…) Gen 23:6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead. Gen 24:35 And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses. Being glorified in this way, is also part of our hope…… Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Jer 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Rom 5: 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Also compare these verses (31-33) with what Paul stated in Romans 4 (Abraham)….. Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? (Again see Rom 5:8-10)

@nikelemccain3664

4 жыл бұрын

@@soundmin Calvinism is a perspective, a lens in which people see the scriptures, one that I've learned after a time is false. The phrase " Calvinism is the gospel" is erroneous on its face. Calvinism doesn't teach of our absolute need of Christ sacrifice & the kingdom of Heaven. With experience I say, the Calvinist doesn't typically rely on Christ life, death, resurrection, ascension & intercession as much as they rely on being chosen in eternity past. How can one become as arrogant as to make themselves exclusive from any other sinner, as if God passed over one & chose another without the truth of the Passover, requiring the blood of Christ only to have death to pass over us. When you speak of Calvinism, the errors are many, although I know of the Calvinist argumentations that have them to evade the obvious blunders. It is to no avail, calling Calvinism a cult isn't way off base.

I can't believe anything you say since you deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is God. Isaiah 9:6 New International Version 6 For to us a child is born,(A) to us a son is given,(B) and the government(C) will be on his shoulders.(D) And he will be called Wonderful Counselor,(E) Mighty God,(F) Everlasting(G) Father,(H) Prince of Peace.(I)

@TheTrinityDelusion

2 жыл бұрын

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From a logical stand point your premise does not hold up. Jesus came at a very specific time and millions of people had already died long before without ever hearing a word about Jesus. So they were never meant to be saved. So regardless of your opinion, those people obviously died and never heard the gospel. God could have provided them with the gospel if he desired. Who deserves to hear the gospel? Do any of we sinners deserve salvation? Couldn't God send all of us to Hell and be perfectly justified in doing so? If all of mankind are sinners and in rebellion against God and God decides to save some, that is his business and his sovereign choice to do so and NOT because we deserve it. I have some questions for you.... How sovereign is God? Could God kill Satan today? God has his plan, a perfect plan. God is sovereign over all things and isn't up there with his fingers crossed hoping you will choose him. Also, God is perfect in what he plans and nothing can prevent him from accomplishing his goal. We know that most people are never saved and end up in Hell "Wide is the Way" so you are assuming that Christ spilled his precious blood and had his perfect plan of salvation that looses most people and only a few are saved? You are dead wrong. Our God is perfect in his plans, he looses no one he plans to save and nothing and no one can stop him from his will being done. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. A bible truth that destroys free will. Romans 9 :11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls-she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? 22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory- Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, not our choice. If it was up to our choice, we would be our own savior.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Was this your way of confusing yourself?

@slantsix6344

6 жыл бұрын

You can't refute it

@slantsix6344

6 жыл бұрын

Your making a choice is not something sinners dead spiritually in tresspasses and sins are capable of unless Jesus binds the strongman Satan and plunders his house for us. You don't understand Calvinist theology, so I am not surprised that you post non-biblical theories. Also, if people have to make a choice, what about those that are vegetables or in commas etc and incapable of making a choice. God can save those people too in the doctrines of grace because it doesn't depend on you, Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. If he is author, he writes the story of your salvation, not you. Also, if salvation is by grace, you obviously had nothing to do with God's grace because you aren't the one showing grace.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Typical Calvinist claptrap.

@slantsix6344

6 жыл бұрын

Just scripture

I am not a Calvinist, but I do believe that it is God's choice that ultimately determines who is Christian and who isn't. Human choice comes after God has moved the individual to believe. Without this action on God's part no one would believe. John 1:12-13 supports my conclusion. Christians are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh not of the will of man, but of God. Jesus says that "everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin" (John 8:34). We human beings cannot deliver ourselves from slavery to the sin of unbelief through the power of our supposed free will. The Israelites in Egypt could not deliver themselves from their slavery through the power of their free will. It was God who chose to deliver them from their slavery. Jesus never says "Many are called but few choose to believe." He says, "Many are called, but few are chosen." Even before Jacob and Esau had been born, God had chosen to make Jacob and his descendants his special people and had rejected Esau (see Romans 9:10ff). The problem with Calvinism is that it ignores the truth that God desires to save everyone (see 1 Timothy 2:4). But if God chooses not to make everyone a believer in Jesus, how can everyone be saved? Well, the answer is that there are two modes or kinds of salvation. To be saved in this life, on this side of the grave, one must believe in Jesus. Salvation in this earthly live consists of having life in greater abundance and being saved from slavery to sin, from the addictions that the unsaved are enslaved to such as drug and alcohol addictions, sexual addictions, greed etc. Peter referenced this kind of salvation when he exhorted the people to "save yourselves from this crooked generation" (Acts 2:40). Jesus also refers to this salvation when he warns the people that unless they repent they will perish like those who were killed when the tower in Siloam fell on them or when Pilate killed during the sacrifices (see Luke 13:1-5). Jesus does not say that unless they repent they will suffer and eternity in hell. If the German people had worshipped God and believed in Jesus instead of worshipping the Fatherland and believing in Hitler, they wouldn't have experienced the hell of WWII in which over 10% of the German population were killed. Faith in Jesus is essential for salvation in this earthly life. But even for the Christian his salvation is incomplete until he is resurrected. God's miracle of resurrecting the dead, is part of God's work of saving mankind. For the believer, it is the last step on the path of full salvation. For those who have died in unbelief, their resurrection is their second step toward their salvation from spiritual death, from hell, from annihilation. Their first step was God's work in Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus's suffering and death is still the foundation of their ultimate salvation even though they didn't believe in him in their earthly lives. The Final Judgement is another step on the path toward their salvation. When Christians repent of their sins, they are judging themselves. They go through the judgement that the lost go through after their resurrection. The Christian must also die to self in this life. The unsaved go through this second death when they are thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire purifies them as fire purifies gold. And since this fire burns with sulfur it is a healing fire. Sulfur has long been a medicine for healing of wounds. The 144,000 spoken of in Revelation represents all the Christian and Jewish believers who are saved on this side of the grave. They are Israel. Christian Gentiles become members of the twelve tribes. They represent the New Creation composed of the Old Testament and New Testament saints represented by the twelve patriarchs and the twelve apostles: 12 X 12 =144. The old creation is represented by the six days of creation: 6 days X 24 hours = 144 hours. Revelation says this about these believes in Christ. These chosen ones: "...Had been redeemed from the earth" (Rev. 14:3b), meaning they had been redeemed during their earthly life. "They have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb..." (Rev. 14:5). They had been chosen out of the mass of mankind to be believers and to have the perfection of Jesus deemed to them even before they had been fully sanctified. They are the firstfruits, not the only harvest. The Great Multitude that no one could number are all those who died unsaved (see Revelation 7:9}. They are the lost who are saved after their earthly death. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb during their judgement and suffering in the lake of fire, the great tribulation that they have come out of. They will hunger no more, they will thirst no more. If they had been believers, they would not have thirsted or been hungry. Who but the damned are described as being cast into the outer darkness where there is weeping and the gnashing of teeth? God will wipe away these tears. Christians had already drunk of the Holy Spirit whereas the people of this great multitude, just now appearing before the the throne of God, are just now being led to springs of living water where they will imbibe the Holy Spirit of God the Father. Calvinism fails because it cannot make a loving God consistent with a God who chooses to send a great multitude, who had no opportunity to believe, to hell or to annihilate them. Freewill theology fails because it makes salvation an earned right based on an individual choosing to believe. Salvation is a pure gift that God chooses to give every human being. Also, freewill theology fails to explain why aborted human beings and human beings who die before the age of accountability get a free pass to heaven without having to make any choice to believe, without ever having to face the danger of hell fire. Mrs. Yates understood this free pass theology and murdered her five children in order to guarantee their salvation. The mentally retarded also get a free pass. In the theology of the Bible, everyone eventually gets a free pass.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

John 1:12-13 doesn't say that God chose anyone. It doesn't allude to the idea either. There isn't any evidence in Scripture that God chose who would be in Christ.

@buzz5156

6 жыл бұрын

What does being born by the will of God mean if not that he chooses who is to be born again? Also, besides Paul, Christian theologians down through the centuries have claimed that man's free will is incapable of being the instrument by which a person comes to faith in Jesus Christ. The Catholic Dominican Order, which included St. Thomas Aquinas, taught the so called Calvinist doctrine long before Calvin. It was the Jesuits who finally turned the Catholic Church to the freewill theology. Also, Martin Luther wrote an entire book on the subject entitled "The Bondage of the Will" He wrote that of all the differences he had with the Catholic Church, the most important difference was over the issue of the power of the human will to choose to believe. He denied that the unbeliever had the power to choose to believe. God must first move the human heart to believe before the individual can then choose to believe. Basically, the person has to come under the power of the Holy Spirit before he can believe. And when he is thus under the power of the Holy Spirit he cannot not believe in Jesus. As Paul says, the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit. The question then is, does God give the Holy Spirit to everyone? And if so, why do some not believe? The mystery of why some do not believe is the question you have failed to answer.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

We don't choose to be born again. We choose to die with Christ. And when we choose to die with Christ, we are raised up to new life, that is, we are born again. Jesus died willingly but it was GOD who raised him up. In the same way, we choose to die willingly with Christ and it is God who raises us up, God who begets us anew.

@buzz5156

6 жыл бұрын

OK, we're finally at just where we disagree. The natural man, which we all are before we come to faith, cannot freely choose to die with Christ. In my opinion, we human beings have to be given a special divine power before we can make that choice. Anyone who chooses to die with Christ has already been begotten of God in some way. Only a new person in Christ can make the decision to die with Christ. This movement of the Holy Spirit of the Father is often not even understood or observed by the individual. All he often knows is that something in him changed and he chose to die with Christ. It is God who chooses the identity of the people whom he is going to give this power to. And God chooses to give this power to only a comparatively few people. And this is why many people who hear the gospel are nevertheless not moved by it. There is no difference between the unbeliever who chooses to die with Christ and the unbeliever who chooses not to. The one who becomes a Christian believer does not have some innate goodness that is missing in the one who does not become a Christian believer. Something must account for the difference in reaction to the hearing of the gospel. You believe that this difference is in the believer's soul. He is somehow spiritually superior to the one who never comes to faith in Jesus. In a sense I agree with you, but claim that this difference comes from God's will and action in the heart of the person who becomes a believer. Hence God's choice is paramount and determinative, not the believer's choice to die with Christ. You wish to give the believer some credit for choosing to die with Christ and to cast blame on the person who does not so choose. I, on the other hand, put the "blame" on God for salvation is in no way earned. It is a total gift, unearned and undeserved. So the person who chooses to die with Christ does not do this out of his own goodness or moral superiority. He does it though God's power that is not given to the man next to him. This inequality, this unfairness is something that Jesus is quite happy to admit to. The ones who die with Christ during their earthly life are those who begin work in the vineyard in the early hours of the day. The ones who go through life on this earth totally wrapped up with pleasing themselves and who have no wish to die with Christ but are saved after they are raised from the dead, are those who come to work in vineyard at the end of the day. Both groups of workers are paid exactly the same amount: everlasting life with God in the eternal age. This is unfair. But Jesus dismisses this claim of unfairness with these words: "Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity? So the last will be first, and the first will be last" (Matt. 20:15-16). I do not depend on Ephesians 1:4 for my theology. I look to 1 Corinthians 2:6-14. "These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit... Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand the things freely given us by God." Without this Spirit the unbeliever could never choose to die with Christ. Such a thing would be incomprehensible to him: "The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." All of us are this natural man when we are presented with the invitation to die with Christ so that we may rise with him. So, what causes the change in the natural man that enables him to understand this invitation and to accept its terrible demands of dying to self? It is God's choice to infuse this natural man with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Wisdom and Power. It is our weaknesses, our inability to sacrifice ourselves that prompts God to make us into new creatures in Christ. God loves to show mercy and compassion toward us sinful human beings. God wants to forgive us without any price being paid. I reject the whole substitutionary atonement theology of the cross. Jesus died to perfect himself and thereby perfect us (see Hebrews 2:10 and 5:8-9. He died to his own human wisdom so that we could die to our wisdom, the wisdom that is in rebellion against God. Jesus was not penalized on our behalf. He was perfected on our behalf. It is the Spirit of Jesus that enters the unbelievers heart thus enabling him to choose to die with Christ. God's mercy trumps any consideration he might have regarding his justice vis-a-vis human sin. "For God has consigned all to disobedience that he may have mercy on all" (Romans 11:32). "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" (Romans 11:35). Our choosing to die with Christ is no gift to God that God is then obligated to repay by giving us eternal life. In fact, if an unbeliever gives so much as a cup of water to a believer because he is a disciple of Jesus, God will reward him with eternal life (see Matthew 10:42). God gives the gift of salvation freely to everyone, even to those who don't ask for it. "Let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price" (Rev. 22:17b). We believers do toil and strive for godliness in this life, but we do so knowing that our salvation is assured. We would not be believers unless God had chosen us to be eternally saved. But God is the Savior of all human beings: ..."We have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of ALL PEOPLE, especially of those who believe" (1 Timothy 4:10b). The Jews rejected Jesus because he was opening up membership among the chosen people to the uncircumcised Gentiles. In Luke 16:19-30, the rich man represents the Jewish people who were rich spiritually because they had the prophets and the Scriptures. The poor man named Lazarus is symbolic for the unsaved Gentile whose sores the dogs licked. The rich man was unwilling to share his God with the wicked Gentile. The accusation that led to Jesus's crucifixion was that he was going to destroy the Temple, the center of Jewish life and worship. They were correct in their accusation for Jesus told the Gentile woman of Samaria: "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father... But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him" (John 4:21,23). The Jewish Temple with its animal sacrifices would be no more. Biblical Judaism would be no more. This the Jewish authorities could not tolerate. And now we who believe in universal reconciliation of all human beings to God are faced with the same hostility. Salvation will be extended to those who died in rebellion against God, who died in unbelief and unrepentance. Christians will not, in the long run, be the apple of God's eye. They will not be able to think of themselves as being special and not like the mass of men who are headed for hell. They will be among the all who are saved. Modern day Christians hate this idea of losing their status of being special in God's eyes just as the Jews did in Jesus's time. Who will the Christians crucify?

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

You certainly have no problem reading theological notions into the Biblical text. Dying with Christ doesn't have anything to do with innate goodness. We are quite capable of dying; death is at the core of our being since Adam transgressed.

Ephesians 1:4, oh please! Read the entire book of Romans and while you are at it, here are some verses where God clearly states that he chooses us and not the other way around. Romans 3:11 and 3:23, Ephesians 1:11, 2nd Timothy 1:9-10, notice the time? Titus 1:1-3, 1st Peter 1:3-4 and 8-9, Mark 13:27, John 6:43-44, 64-66, 10:2-5, Acts 4:28 and Acts 13:48. It is obvious that God draws us to himself and that word "draw" means drag against one's will. God is doing the drawing and electing, not us making a choice. We walk an aisle or pray the sinner's prayer but God is drawing us to himself. God does say we are to believe on the Lord Jesus, but that is just for our human understanding and election is really what is going on.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

No sorry, that's all in your head not the book of Romans.

@slantsix6344

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry, that doesn't satisfy the scripture I offered, I am not surprised. The Arminianism Delusion goes on!

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

No Arminian here. So let me get this straight. Youu want me to stop what I am doing and refute your entire system of lies point by point? Is that about it?

@skafan89

6 жыл бұрын

the scripture you posted is being interpreted in error on your behave . im sorry to have to inform you of this fact, we have free will, Adam and eve had free will and even the angels have free will, or God makes evil. you chose what it is????

@slantsix6344

6 жыл бұрын

Let me use your logic. You believe that we are saved by our free will. Our choice that we make ourselves. God sits back and waits for people to choose for him or not choose him, he has no part in salvation unless we choose him. So, the only reason predestination is in the bible is because God knows the future and he knows who will choose him and who will not.

Armenian at its finest…

You don't have the first clue about Calvinism. They could effortlessly bury you in an avalanche of Scripture texts. You don't know the history and need to do some serious research before you start labeling beliefs as cults. The bottom line is this, either regeneration precedes faith meaning God acts and man responds, or faith precedes regeneration, which means man acts and God responds. I know which one the Bible teaches. It screams at you from almost every page of the Scriptures.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

You dont have the first clue what I know about the cult of Calvinism.

@evanu6579

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Jansen Regeneration happens after faith.... Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) All that believed would receive the Spirit after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension.... Jhn 14: 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Jhn 15: 26 ¶ But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Jhn 16: 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. The Holy Spirit is first given here.... Jhn 20: 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: So they didn’t receive the Holy Spirit until after the resurrection as Jesus stated in John 7. That’s well after the disciples believed, and many others as well...... Jhn 2: 23 ¶ Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. Luk 7: 50 ¶ And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. Even after the resurrection, faith still preceded regeneration..... Eph 1: 13 ¶ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. Just to clarify what regeneration is. It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.... Rom 8: 9 ¶ But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Spiritual life happens after belief..... Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. The disciples hadn’t received this life before the resurrection of Christ..... Jhn 14:19 ¶ Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. Peter hadn’t yet been converted..... Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. (Matt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.)

@alonzomccloud4530

Жыл бұрын

Remember when they said babies having babies and babies can't teach babies how to be an adult. This is the generation and results of easy believism. False conversions, haven't I prophesied in thy name,? and in thy name have cast out devils ? and in thy name done many wonderful works? "...I NEVER KNEW YOU:..." AMEN brother...