Cryptic Aliens

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Many hope to one day meet and talk to Alien Civilizations, but ow could we translate their language? How would they translate ours? What modes of communication are available besides sight and sound?
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  • @isaacarthurSFIA
    @isaacarthurSFIA7 жыл бұрын

    Incidentally, since folks have been asking, no I have not seen the movie Arrival yet

  • @YoSomePerson

    @YoSomePerson

    7 жыл бұрын

    Maybe do an update after you did. If you didn't talk about aliens living in higher dimensions yet it would be a good reason to do so.

  • @Tekrothebountyhunter

    @Tekrothebountyhunter

    7 жыл бұрын

    Good job as usual, Issac. Here is something I was wondering when watching the video, though: It's a popular science fiction trope for aliens to look at human video signals and seriously confuse certain things, mostly being unable to tell the difference between a factual documentary and a fictional movie, or the difference between sex and wrestling in a few cases. How likely do you think this would happen in real life?

  • @VintageLJ

    @VintageLJ

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nice spoiler.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Probably not too like Tekro though its hard to say. Decently likely at first glance, just from lack of familiarity. I mean a thrown punch on an early TV show tends to clearly miss so they might get very confused studying that thinking it wasn't a violent action to punch someone, same as putting a hand on a shoulder or cheek isn't, but I'd guess they'd realize it was acting to show a strike not hurt the other person for real pretty quickly. I don't believe many would not get fiction either. Storytelling ought to be an initial language use for almost everyone, and you would expect that to result in skepticism about stories where they are biased, boastful, or inaccurate even when not intentionally fictional. Deception is simply to advantageous not to be fairly common, especially for smart creatures who get value out of their brain exactly from such things. They are likely then to understand deception and have a delineation between purposefully lying and just being wrong or exaggeration for conveying a point. We use very exaggerated language when talking to kids, who also first learn to communicate that way too, intentionally being louder and more upset in tone then they need to be with the purpose of getting Mom's attention. "Mommy I need you" and "Get out of my territory or I'll hurt you" are two of the most basic forms of communication, and both tend to get exaggerated quickly "I'm gonna die" for a kneescrape and "I'm bigger" efforts to seem larger when confronting a threat. So I think they'd all get falsehood with degrees and I'm sure it would work in stories. The tribal shaman telling the tale of the hunt and gesturing the stabbing motions and such.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    lol, SPOILERS please, but yeah I will probably discuss the idea of 4D+ physical universes some time.

  • @VladLongPlus
    @VladLongPlus3 жыл бұрын

    I love the alien logic that humans must have claws because they keep on referring to their claws. this is hilarious

  • @javiercalvelo2783
    @javiercalvelo27837 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: We mammals use to have more photoreceptors but we lose them some time around the Jurasic, probably because the need to adapt to a nocturnal life style. Primates later re-invented color vision but we still unable to see ultraviolet. Thanks Dinosaurs.

  • @lpetrich

    @lpetrich

    7 жыл бұрын

    Most mammals' color vision is like that of dogs. They only see yellow and blue, with yellow including red and green. Just like what our host described for deer. It was some ancestors of the Old World simians that distinguished red, by duplicating the yellow receptor and specializing each copy in different directions. That's a common process of gene evolution.

  • @javiercalvelo2783

    @javiercalvelo2783

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yep. But there is evidence sugesting that that wasn't always the case and I always found it "funny" XD www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781854/

  • @SylverRaptor

    @SylverRaptor

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well, dinosaurs were, and are more advanced than us. I don't see this as "their fault". They have gotten there faster. That's it.

  • @williamsteveling8321

    @williamsteveling8321

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not really. They were pre-adapted for the Permian-Triassic oxygen low caused by the Siberian Traps. Mammalian ancestors were kicking butt until then, and dinosaurs were losing the arms race. But those wonderful avian air sacs evolved fully during this period, allowing dinosaurs to out compete mammalian ancestors. When oxygen recovered at the beginning of the Jurassic, this increased respiratory efficiency allowed dinosaurs to get really big on the larger side, and evolve flight on the smaller side. Since color vision is metabolically expensive, nocturnal mammals lost color receptors. It's not a matter of primitive or advanced, really. It's a matter of useful under which conditions. And in large portions of the world, flightless birds almost suppressed the supposed Age of Mammals. Read Peter Ward's "Out of Thin Air: Dinosaurs, Birds, and Earth's Ancient Atmosphere". It delves into respiration as a major evolutionary component.

  • @davecarsley8773

    @davecarsley8773

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@SylverRaptor What in the world are you taking about? Dinosaurs were "more advanced" than us?? In what way? "More advanced" at laying eggs? "More advanced" at growing large? "More advanced" at building skyscrapers? "More advanced" at sending rockets to space??

  • @michaeloosthuizen2383
    @michaeloosthuizen23837 жыл бұрын

    Imagine the treasure trove of information educational TV programmes would give aliens... everything from kids shows to technical documentaries.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Very, and those were some of the first TV programs. I'd also imagine a lot of radio shows talked about TV when it was first coming out and probably about radio when it first came out. Probably lots of early radio remarks about its strength and limitations as a communication tool with commentary about facial expression.

  • @MrMleczkp

    @MrMleczkp

    7 жыл бұрын

    English is hardly the only language and differences in languages bring in another level of complexity in understanding aliens. If humans have countless languages aliens can do to. Or if they have only one than multiple human languages may confuse them. Hardly a unskipable obstacle but there is just layer upon layer upon layer of complexity in translating alien means of comunication. With out same physiology and similar concepts. Just analisin patterns may lead to utter bullshit. Whbere noise is taken for message and massage for noise.s

  • @GrEEnEyE089

    @GrEEnEyE089

    7 жыл бұрын

    yes but as noted in the video, they could pinpoint the sources of our radio waves based on the doppler effect. after that its not that hard to realize that different areas use different languages. this could even be an advantage for them because the knowledge about what differs between languages will tell them exactly what all our languages have in common

  • @logicbug

    @logicbug

    7 жыл бұрын

    Imagine that even if aliens only had one language, our radio signals will have many different languages. They will have great trouble understanding them when different words sound similar between languages. Also langauges like Chinese where separate words have meaning, but have a different meaning when combined with others.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Pieter, there weren't very many stations early one, especially broadcasting loudly, and almost all were in a handful of major languages. Short of some sort of drive that let's you jump through intervening space you should always hear the oldest radio first.

  • @KoraktorXV
    @KoraktorXV7 жыл бұрын

    oh man way do i hear douglas adams giggle? "[...] the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation. [...]" -douglas adams hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

  • @MatthewCampbell765
    @MatthewCampbell7657 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of your intro and a species not having a word for "war": One thing to note is that if an alien race is always at war, they don't need a word for it. For example, in CS Lewis's Paralandra the very peaceful aliens he meets don't have a word for "Peace" because they don't understand war. An alien race that doesn't understand peace would have the opposite problem.

  • @Molb0rg

    @Molb0rg

    7 жыл бұрын

    War is one of the ways to communicate and exchange information with other different means(not only capture, destroy and such)

  • @MatthewCampbell765

    @MatthewCampbell765

    7 жыл бұрын

    ***** Paralandra was a book in CS Lewis's space trilogy. Surprisingly he wrote sci-fi, and in fact this book was his favorite of all his writings. The trilogy explores theological implications of alien life. In it, there's an alien race which is living in an Edenic state of existence. However, Satan (called the Unman) has managed to possess a human body and travel to this planet, hoping to trick the native species into committing original sin like he did on Earth. The hero, a linguist named Ransom, travels to Paralandra to tell their version of Eve (named Tinidril) not to listen to the Unman. He has difficulty because the Tinidril doesn't understand the concept of malice and genuinely can't understand that the Unman wants to hurt her people. SPOILER: Both Ransom and the Unman make their case to Tinidril. The Unman is extremely hard to debate with since he has unlimited stamina and superhuman intellect. Eventually, Ransom realizes that debate is futile and unnecessary, so instead he comes up with a plan B: Beat the shit out of the Unman, which works.

  • @MatthewCampbell765

    @MatthewCampbell765

    7 жыл бұрын

    ***** IIRC, the debating happens over several days, as after debating it for a while, Tinidril would decide to think about the issue later and go do something else. During these periods of down time, the Unman would proceed to harass Ransom to prevent him from sleeping, ect. It hadn't occurred to him to just kill the Unman until after a while, and he killed him while Tinidril wasn't present.

  • @serramanila

    @serramanila

    7 жыл бұрын

    A paragon of bad manners, no doubt; maybe that's why you spent too much time. Or was it because it's easy to shoot down the normal expressive, suggestive normal sort of idiomatic language people use in KZread comments while ignoring my central criticism

  • @TheAlgorath

    @TheAlgorath

    7 жыл бұрын

    Or they would have multiple words for peace, with different annotations. Take friends: We have friend, ally, confidant, acquaintance... each with specific connotations.

  • @JohnMichaelGodier
    @JohnMichaelGodier7 жыл бұрын

    Magnificent analysis as always.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks John!

  • @NewGoldStandard

    @NewGoldStandard

    6 жыл бұрын

    I don't know why, but I always get a kick out of it when I see one of my favorite channels commenting on another.

  • @CrumBummin

    @CrumBummin

    5 жыл бұрын

    JMG!!!!! love your channel too bro!

  • @stevoplex

    @stevoplex

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kurt Vonnegut wrote a story entitled "The Dancing Fool", in "Breakfast of Champions" about a tragic failure to communicate. Here was the plot: A flying saucer creature named Zog arrived on Earth to explain how wars could be prevented and how cancer could be cured. He brought the information from Margo, a planet where the natives conversed by means of farts and tap dancing. Zog landed at night in Connecticut. He had no sooner touched down than he saw a house on fire. He rushed into the house, farting and tap dancing, warning the people about the terrible danger they were in. The head of the house brained Zog with a golf club. ― Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions

  • @efisgpr

    @efisgpr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Like seeing Superman compliment the Green Lantern. COOL!

  • @debries1553
    @debries15537 жыл бұрын

    That "I've got your back" t-shirt... I want one of those.

  • @stardude692001

    @stardude692001

    7 жыл бұрын

    Maybe someday soon Isaac and this channel will have their own shirts.

  • @abiku2923

    @abiku2923

    7 жыл бұрын

    stardude692001 probley the only one I would actualy buy from one of these youtube channels.

  • @MichaelSHartman

    @MichaelSHartman

    6 жыл бұрын

    Debries Give it back. I need it.

  • @robo336
    @robo3367 жыл бұрын

    an alien ate my arm. turns out it communicates using taste.

  • @fatetestarossa2774

    @fatetestarossa2774

    7 жыл бұрын

    well said Cris jijijijijijij

  • @JohnMichaelGodier

    @JohnMichaelGodier

    7 жыл бұрын

    Jeez. I hope you tasted good or you just started a war.

  • @TheTwilitHero

    @TheTwilitHero

    7 жыл бұрын

    I can't remember where I heard this, but some work of fiction mentioned aliens that had redundant organs because they communicate by ripping said organs out of each other. Scary stuff.

  • @DeSpaceFairy

    @DeSpaceFairy

    7 жыл бұрын

    +The twilitHero Doctor Who maybe

  • @19TonsOfGold

    @19TonsOfGold

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but keep in mind that ripping off different organs is hugely wasteful, and generating taste generating chemicals on their skin creates the same issues as communicating through smell.

  • @MirrorscapeDC
    @MirrorscapeDC7 жыл бұрын

    Babylon 5 drove me mad with this. I don't know how often someone said "Oh, we have never met these aliens before. Our computers are working on their language. Give it a few hours."

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    That actually ought to be enough considering the presumed processing power involved, but that's assuming they were actively communicating at high speed, which likely would be the case in such an alien rich environment, you know, constantly emitting your own dictionary and language guide as a signal, tens of thousands of words a minute. Hacking a language from a few hours of overhearing just one person speaking strains credulity though, and they did do that a lot.

  • @robertmartinu8803

    @robertmartinu8803

    7 жыл бұрын

    B5 at least had sometimes lines like "send the language files" or "they are accessing our database(I hope its the one intended for general visitors)". Some aliens knowing the wrong language is even used as a plot point. The Star Trek universal translator gives me much more headache - B5 is a matter of processing power, from properly prepared first contact messages something that current of the shelf tech could do. But the UT simply lacks the input data. That can't be solved with processing power...

  • @adaeptzulander2928

    @adaeptzulander2928

    7 жыл бұрын

    Star Trek Voyager actually thought thing out differently from before on a few episodes: One episode, the aliens communicated and controlled their technology by chemical inputs. The aliens, which looked like large arthropods, used their appendages to transmit and receive commands/information from their ship by direct touch. This was a problem for the crewmember B'Lanna Torres when one of them attached itself to her and hooked into her endocrine system. It was killing her but knew of no other why to communicate.

  • @JohnStephenWeck

    @JohnStephenWeck

    7 жыл бұрын

    Greetings. Understanding languages is a matter of how much software you have, the more the better (more software means more intelligent). It takes a long time to build the understanding that goes into any universal translator. You can’t have universal translators that work with new species, so there can be no language exchange of any kind. A recent version of this mistake is on the Enterprise TV series. Yes, their universal translator needs to gain experience (build software) with alien languages, which is good. But then they use a human (Hoshi Sato) translating an unknown language (“Fight or Flight” the Axanar language) in real-time in an emergency. They present their junior communications officer as a language expert, and a “genius” (that can magically have a technical exchange in an unknown language). The core of this mistake is that the author thought that a human brain had built in language hardware support (like a universal language co-processor) that enabled any biological human to interpret all languages with just the barest snippets of input information. All mental abilities are learned, and exist as software in the cortex memory system. So Hoshi needs to learn her languages over a long time, not in a few minutes (presumably using her super biology). Her understanding of anything will be precisely the sum of her learning. This is why (all things being equal) older people are typically much smarter than younger people. Older people have simply been learning and gaining experience over a longer period, so they have stored more software. They can bring more preexisting software to bear in their problem solving in general (and more software means more intelligence). Said another way, the bigger your mind software the smarter you are. Thanks for listening.

  • @TiagoTiagoT

    @TiagoTiagoT

    6 жыл бұрын

    Maybe she was a savant, or came from a genetically engineered lineage or something?

  • @chucky4real
    @chucky4real7 жыл бұрын

    6:00; poached eggs on yellow heirloom tomatoes, mashed avocados and light rye toast. you share your knowledge, i share mine (i am a chef) :D

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    So those are tomatoes, I was thinking maybe peppers or something.

  • @efisgpr

    @efisgpr

    4 жыл бұрын

    With cilantro, right? And are those pieces of oats on the toast or rye, please? THANKS.

  • @shestewa6581

    @shestewa6581

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@efisgpr It is indeed coriander here and there on the toast (In your diaclect called "cilantro") yes.

  • @casey653
    @casey6537 жыл бұрын

    Isaac, you need to do an episode on the commons of every/most alien civilizations, everything from basic technologies to how we evolved and what our civilizations would believe in.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    lol, how in the world would I get all that in one episode?

  • @MisterFanwank

    @MisterFanwank

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'd be interested to hear what you think are the 10 most likely things, even if the list were volatile. EDIT: Actually, I'm curious what kind of thought process would be required to hash out the nuance of, say, the subjunctive mood. I was thinking about that when I wrote "were".

  • @Moochaa
    @Moochaa7 жыл бұрын

    Every single video, I learn something I've never even heard of or even considered before. Thanks for broadening my knowledge :)

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for saying that, makes my day :)

  • @RandallStephens397
    @RandallStephens3977 жыл бұрын

    Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    “Shaka, when the walls fell.”

  • @jasontoddman7265

    @jasontoddman7265

    7 жыл бұрын

    You know, I never really 'understood' that episode. How can you communicate entirely in metaphors in any language and yet not understand the meaning of individual words in that same language? That never made sense to me.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Oh its total nonsense Jason, its a great episode and really puts the alien back into alien language, but it's utter nonsense on examination. Consider that we're told those aliens had no self-identity, while at the same time we hear them talking about Darmok and Jelad, two famous dudes with names. That's like saying that aliens have no sense of rank & hierarchy, and to keep that in mind when you speak to their president and high council. It's nonsensical unless followed with "because their leaders are whoever happens to be near the table of leadering at the time, so today's president is the janitor who was polishing it when we came in asking for an audience." I think they were aiming for the idea of a language that wasn't just heavy on euphemisms but was essentially nothing but them, which doens't work too well especially in a high-tech civ where precision is need. For instance we get "Mirab, with sails unfurled" as a sort of 'go', the language would need a way for the pilot to ask "Where, or which way, and how fast?", "Unfurled mightily?" "No, unfurled lightly, and shaded the sun", that sort of thing.

  • @KuraIthys

    @KuraIthys

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's definitely a fascinating episode exploring the idea that technology might have limits (universal translator), and a language that is both understandable enough for a mainstream TV show but incomprehensible enough to feel truly alien. But indeed it doesn't really stand up too well if you examine it closely. Works great for narrative purposes though. XD

  • @jasontoddman7265

    @jasontoddman7265

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad to see the silliness of it wasn't just from my own shortcomings in comprehension then. Having Asperger's Syndrome, I wasn't sure but that I was simply failing to 'get' something that was perfectly obvious to anyone else. lol

  • @lowleypeasentmr.l8836
    @lowleypeasentmr.l88363 жыл бұрын

    I do love the idea of aliens debating what our words mean. Great video btw, a lot of this stuff I never even considered.

  • @htomerif
    @htomerif6 жыл бұрын

    Its interesting (to me) what the likelihood of obligate aquatic civilization developing. At first you seem to have a cap on tool use because almost everything in the water looses fitness if it deviates from a streamlined shape. Octopuses, though, are highly capable of manipulating their environment. As of now, their limitation in learning and the value of cumulative learning is their short lifespan. Octopuses can communicate visually by a potentially extremely high bandwidth modulation of their shape and color patterns.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Problem is space travel. They'd have to break the ocean depths and the atmosphere to get into space. Land and air travel would be alien enough terrain for them as is.

  • @talltroll7092

    @talltroll7092

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@NodDisciple1 Being underwater would almost certainly impose impossibly high barriers to certain technologies, too. I don't care how clever any theoretical octopus is, I just don't see how they could ever develop metallurgy, for instance

  • @peaknuckle6942

    @peaknuckle6942

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Madam Meouff evolution is a falicy. Far too many missing pieces. Evolution needs to be reclassified as adaptation. Evolution requires elimination and replacement. Adaptation is a midstream living change in the ability to survive and employ the will to live on a subducted, coinciding combining level. Without the misuse of the term evolution, and the political science based teachings of Darwin, the entire narrative of big bang disintegrates. The postulation is full of holes. It would also steer people's understanding back to a biblical basis. The powers that be, have been trying to eradicate the Bible for centuries.

  • @htomerif

    @htomerif

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@talltroll7092 I think you're just not looking at all the possibilities. Plenty of aquatic animals are extremely sensitive to electricity and magnetism. Some of them can produce electricity by themselves. Some of them produce their own illumination. An intelligent, electroreceptive species advancing just as far as basic record keeping could skip what took humans thousands of years: a complete theory of electromagnetism. You don't need fire, but you do need metal. In human history free gold was the first metal used and you can find that underwater too. Meteoric iron would be almost immediately destroyed in the ocean but on a planet with an outer ice shell it would be studded with meteoric iron. On planets without an ice crust they would still have an oxygen rich atmosphere, they would still have floating photosynthetic life, they would still have lightning and, though rare, fire, even with no land. Access to hydrothermal vents and the chemistry that they bring could help an awful lot. You can thank YT's comment notification system for taking a year to bother to tell me that I had replies to any comments.

  • @htomerif

    @htomerif

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@peaknuckle6942 My dude, that is pure word salad. I'm now dumber for having read your comment.

  • @colonelgraff9198
    @colonelgraff91987 жыл бұрын

    YET ANOTHER ISAAC AR-THURSDAY!!!!

  • @colonelgraff9198

    @colonelgraff9198

    7 жыл бұрын

    Great episode on xenolinguistics. The only other thing I would add is the fact that there are a number of languages broadcast, it might be very difficult to determine which language is being used. There's not just the one language that they are trying to decode. but all of them. However, they could then show up with the ability to rudimentaly understand all major languages.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hard to say, I think it would actually help in the long run, easier to distinguish certain underlying human concepts of language from that. Some aliens might only have ever had one language but they should not assume we;d speak their language, so concluding we might have multiple ones ought not be too hard for them to grasp either. They'd not be exposed to very many either, early broadcasting was only in a few and would always be the same on a given channel. Matching our own languages to each other as they go might actually make translation easier.

  • @colonelgraff9198

    @colonelgraff9198

    7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur I think that once they get television signals of educational programs language will be a breeze. If you were to beam the entire production history of Sesame Street across the galaxy, aliens would know concepts like the alphabet, simple words, how to read our language, our number system, and social interactions and customs. However, when they show up they might want to talk to Big Bird...

  • @alexgoldsmith8598

    @alexgoldsmith8598

    7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur I think that aliens that had only ever had one language would find it much harder to learn a completely new one with next to no similarities, they wouldn't have any experience doing it as a species so might not know the techniques involved. Although if they have computers then they probably would understand cryptography and deciphering and be able to apply the tricks there to language.

  • @ozzymandius666

    @ozzymandius666

    7 жыл бұрын

    What if they communicate via colored patches of skin and shapes? Or if they only define direction relative to the line of sight between two speakers?

  • @mikesmith1290
    @mikesmith12904 жыл бұрын

    I just discovered your channel, and have been soaking it up like a sponge! I find your channel very thought provoking, and highly intelligent! It's definitely a refreshing take on subject matter that's been done like no other!

  • @A_Calm_Dragon
    @A_Calm_Dragon7 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how they'd react when they get the 1938 broadcast of "War of the Worlds" on radio. :P

  • @iceoriental123

    @iceoriental123

    6 жыл бұрын

    Would they have a concept of stories?

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    300 years later, lol.

  • @matheus5230

    @matheus5230

    5 жыл бұрын

    Omega of Gallifrey As Isaac said in this video, it is likely that they have stories

  • @stm7810

    @stm7810

    5 жыл бұрын

    it's a radio play, basically the precursor to TV shows, so no different to other fiction, it would be funny as they figure out fiction at first, but should get the idea, imagination helped us build tools so hopefully they have some.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    They'd think it was a warning that if they came here there might be a diplomatic mess due to two local planets going at it? At least until they get the part about it being fiction much later on...if they got that at all.

  • @travisgrant5608
    @travisgrant56084 жыл бұрын

    This was an awesome presentation. I myself have often wondered how we would actually beable to communicate with ALIENS. How would we be able to understand each other? 🤔 Fascinating. 👍

  • @kunstsein
    @kunstsein7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac, you really possess the gift to convey complex and non trivial ideas in a very clear and easy to follow fashion. This skill is as rare as unicorns. Good ole´Sagan comes to my mind regarding this ability. You are my favorite yt channel now.

  • @Rubashow
    @Rubashow7 жыл бұрын

    I think once they pick up cooking shows the eminent beings of the Gastronomy sector will be very intrigued.

  • @speedysandisk78

    @speedysandisk78

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm sure their superior technology could assist us in locating the lamb sauce.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    They be like I bet these creatures taste like chicken. Because chicken is universal.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    You don't think they'd be terrifed of Gordon Ramsay? Or a more warrior-like race might challenge him to a duel?

  • @moonled

    @moonled

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@JeanLucCaptain Unless they are chickens.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@moonled true! like Colonel Sanders!

  • @thetraitor3852
    @thetraitor38527 жыл бұрын

    The best channel on YT. No doubt. ❤ No one else would be able to force an hyperactive person like me to stare into the same video for half an hour and and at the end make me sad that the video is over.

  • @DJSbros
    @DJSbros7 жыл бұрын

    I loved Arrival, we need more movies that instead of making aliens about war and destruction but in other more realistic situations.

  • @pineapplepenumbra

    @pineapplepenumbra

    7 жыл бұрын

    Careful, don't spoil the film for me...

  • @pineapplepenumbra

    @pineapplepenumbra

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hitchhiking Vagabond I wrote a book slightly along those lines...

  • @krisztianpovazson4535

    @krisztianpovazson4535

    6 жыл бұрын

    There was nothing realistic about Arrival. It was just a stale universalist gospel.

  • @psterud

    @psterud

    6 жыл бұрын

    Andrei Tarkovsky made a couple of these. Solaris and Stalker, based on books by Stanislaw Lem and the Strugatsky Brothers, respectively. Lem, in particular, was of the mindset that we would never be able to effectively communicate with another "intelligence," because they would be too exotic, too different from us. I am of this belief as well. So yeah, if you want realism, and you're in the mood for two of the greatest films ever made, try Solaris (not the stupid, artless reboot with Clooney) and Stalker.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes ABSOLUTELY!

  • @BartmossTV
    @BartmossTV7 жыл бұрын

    "Omnilingual" by H. Beam Piper fits this episode really well.

  • @talltroll7092

    @talltroll7092

    4 жыл бұрын

    Didn't expect to see you here

  • @scottbruner9987
    @scottbruner99873 жыл бұрын

    Issac, I, for one, think you have a uniquely awesome voice. It's definitely one of my top 5 favorite KZreadr voices. No CC 4 me.

  • @ethanmoon3925
    @ethanmoon39254 жыл бұрын

    Imagine aliens becoming human fans after listening to our signals for so long

  • @foty8679

    @foty8679

    3 жыл бұрын

    One of the first signals they would get is Hitler's Sportspalast speech..soo uh, hope not? (There are discussions if that transmission was to weak for reaching space but idk)

  • @parktamaroon226
    @parktamaroon2263 жыл бұрын

    Turing’s team broke the Enigma cypher by cracking the perfunctory greetings at the ends of each message.

  • @zelpa.
    @zelpa.7 жыл бұрын

    looks like the woman in the video clip was eating smashed avocado and eggs on toast

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    That doesn't sound very appetizing

  • @zelpa.

    @zelpa.

    7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur Pretty common in Australia, there are even comedy pieces about how expensive it is, one being 'I Stopped Eating Smashed Avocado and Now I Own a Castle'

  • @kdeayton

    @kdeayton

    7 жыл бұрын

    Haha yep. It's something one of our politicians here in Australia said... that "youths cannot afford to buy houses because they treat themselves to smashed avocado at cafes", which was patently bullshit and he's been mocked for it so rigorously that it became a meme.

  • @dunxy

    @dunxy

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Isaac Arthur Ive not tried it, but it sounds nice!

  • @jamiefm484

    @jamiefm484

    7 жыл бұрын

    but it also looks like there's a layer of mango slices and I don't know why there has to be three layers of guacamole.

  • @jacobw7454
    @jacobw74547 жыл бұрын

    ducks duck their heads underwater to look for food so their names are related to duck

  • @horsemumbler1

    @horsemumbler1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ducks are fucks, but with no Fs to give, and a crazyass D.

  • @talkietoaster2585
    @talkietoaster25853 жыл бұрын

    New viewer here. A great analysis of communication. I couldn’t help but chuckle at the “smell” communication as I kept thinking of the Red Dwarf episode Tongue Tied where Dave Lister is reading from the Felis Sapiens Book of Smeg which was written in lines of scent.

  • @christopherledbetter1215
    @christopherledbetter12155 жыл бұрын

    I saw the little bit at the beginning about the closed caption / your speech impediment... and I just want to say that you, sir, are an amazing person. I don't think that your speech impediment gets in the way of your communication, and I am inspired by how you are fearlessly and competently putting your content on KZread. Keep up the good work, Mr. Arthur. Keep the spark of my imagination strong.

  • @DudaJarek
    @DudaJarek7 жыл бұрын

    There remains the problem of translating e.g. EM signal into e.g. audio/video. While analog signal seems relatively simple to decode, modern digital one isn't - not only because of frequently used encryption, details of transmission protocols (like multi-frequency OFDM) ... but data compression also becomes more and more complex and is approaching the perfect noise to maximize information rate - without having the exact specification, decoding a modern video compression seems a nearly impossible task ... even the last layer: entropy coding, which exploits the fact that common events carry less information, is extremely difficult to decode without the exact details (used probabilities). ps. At least in theory, a natural language (of an advance civilization) could be optimized by using some entropy coding techniques - kind of compressing let say a sentence into a single symbol, like in Arrival, making direct search for single words futile ...

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    But how to decode the modern digital signals will almost certainly be discussed in general terms on those radio stations before conversion. Its hard to translate a book in a language you've never seen before if it is also encrypted, less so if you know its encrypted and already know the language.

  • @DudaJarek

    @DudaJarek

    7 жыл бұрын

    Sure, there are available software decoders of video compressors, but you would need access our internet first - even if we accidentally broadcast it, it would be a trillionth part of noise we produce, again behind various complex noise-resembling protocols. Regarding encryption, modern one is based on the Kerckhoffs's principle, saying that the strength is not in unknown algorithm, but the crypto-key itself. And encrypted data should look like perfect noise: independent Pr(0)=Pr(1)=1/2 bit sequence. Modern 256 bit AES would need like 10^100 years on standard computers to break. Unless aliens have time-loop computers ( www.reddit.com/r/IsaacArthur/comments/5qa2p0/game_changer_3_ultimate_computing_timeloop/ ), it is rather safe.

  • @eds1942

    @eds1942

    5 жыл бұрын

    If they have been listening to our signals form the past few decades (after the signals reach them), they might notice an increasing shift towards encryption and an increase in encryption complexity over time. Of equal note, is that the “air waves” have become crowded to the point of overlapping at some ranges. If all that they have to go by is what we are putting out now, it might be confused with noise, while still being distinct from the background.

  • @MrAdryan1603
    @MrAdryan16037 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone encountered any other channels that produce such high-quality, in-depth discussion about these subjects (extra-terrestrial life, biology, future technology, physics, etc in particular)?? If so, please tell me about them. I need more

  • @moonled

    @moonled

    4 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info

  • @randomdatastream
    @randomdatastream3 жыл бұрын

    Interestingly, we *do* have species on earth that rely heavily on scent for communication.... plants. Many species such as tomatoes communicate information about nearby predators or reproductive status through volatile organic compounds (VOCs). As suggested, its not terribly fast--several seconds to send a message--but plants aren't fast moving to begin with. But it does give support to the idea that even with different sensory modalities, we could figure out what was said. There are machine learning algorithms being applied to devices that measure VOCs in order to monitor forest health and detect emerging threats such as drought by using computers to eavesdrop on the trees.

  • @CharcharoExplorer
    @CharcharoExplorer7 жыл бұрын

    I have a question. Won't radio waves be unusable for Aliens after they have been in space for hundreds of years? Wont they need to have a gigantic, almost solar system mega structure to pick them up and structure them into something reasonable?

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    No, not at a few hundred light years, and our own signals haven't gotten that far yet. We could pick up our stronger channels with our best current equipment at that distance. You'd have to aim at those stars individually and listen, but there are a finite number of stars, especially plausible stars, in that volume. But yes to pick them up with ease, especially at greater distances than that, you do start needing a lot more large space-based telescopic arrays. Hence the commentary about computers doing most of the work, I'd expect them to have them by then. You need basic computers to do just about anything with space and unless your species has a bizarre block or phobia about chemistry you ought to notice semiconductors and their switch value very soon after entering that age of things.

  • @CharcharoExplorer

    @CharcharoExplorer

    7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur So at least for a few hundred light years all is fine. Good. I wonder whether they can do it at a few thousand as well? I do believe that what you are saying about semiconductors should be obvious to them at some point, the megastructure part was what was giving me pause. Thanks for the info.

  • @xelxebar

    @xelxebar

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well, at some point radio signals become so weak that you'd only be able to see rare individual photons. We can estimate the distance at which this happens by looking at the power and frequencies that humans are broadcasting at. It's actually surprisingly hard to find real data on this, so we can set an upper limit by looking at the maximum broadcasting power allowed of a radio station, which is about 100 kW, and assuming a best case but very unrealistic frequency of about 10 Hz. With a little math, we can see that at 100,000 ly, our radio signal weakens to about 1 photon per square meter per second. At best we probably need something like 8 bit sound to be intelligible, so we have to divide this number by 2^8, or about 250, which means we can only go out to about 400 ly. Maybe we could stretch this to 1000 ly with some really good detective work on the part of the aliens. Real radio signals are broadcast at more like 100 MHz which shrinks 1000s of lys down to just a few.

  • @Alexbl100

    @Alexbl100

    6 жыл бұрын

    even if they did, radio signals coming from here are not all in English. It could prove difficult to distinguish between Earth languages in the first place.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ya, even on earth signal boosters are needed for clear transmission.

  • @eligabeivan
    @eligabeivan7 жыл бұрын

    Good research on the linguistic front

  • @davidk1308
    @davidk13087 жыл бұрын

    YES! I've been waiting for this one for my novels :D Thank you!

  • @KebradesBois
    @KebradesBois7 жыл бұрын

    I could listen to you speaking for hours... your analysis are so clear. Thanks.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    I think you can actually listen to me for days now :) Thanks!

  • @stuckp1stuckp122
    @stuckp1stuckp1222 жыл бұрын

    Isaac’s analysis made me think Stanislaus Lem’s His Master’s Voice, and Solaris , andJohn Brunner’s Total Eclipse - all tales of how understanding of aliens can evade us.

  • @RoryRose_
    @RoryRose_5 жыл бұрын

    "You want to be able to talk as fast as you can think." I can think of an Emenem rap but no way I can rap that fast. It'd just come out as bebebebteededbedbiebibieob.

  • @Alpha1200
    @Alpha12005 жыл бұрын

    Maybe I've just missed this because I was doing something else while listening to this, but how will they figure out that radio waves are meant to be translated into audio? Why not assume that they should be translated into smell or interpreted as they are? Edit: Also, here's another question... How will they be able to tell that we use multiple different languages? What if they only use one language that's biologically determined or something? Couldn't that fuck up their attempts to use things like frequency analysis? Edit 2: Nevermind, he addresses it after I posted this comment.

  • @Lawofimprobability
    @Lawofimprobability3 жыл бұрын

    This is a big reason why I like C. J. Cherryh's work like the Chanur series. She put some thought into the difficulty different species had in communicating with each other such as methane-breathers needing careful translation and the garbled communication between the human and the Hani. A lot of those arrangements are so realistic because they mimicked the difficulties between humans (such as the frequent cases of leaving goods until the proposed trade goods were considered good enough to take) and she had spent some time studying History. She isn't the first person to consider the difficulty and steps of communication. One of my favorite short stories was about archeologists on Mars trying to decipher the Martian language and finally getting a breakthrough when guessing what was believed to be an academic journal showed the equivalent to months and the periodic table.

  • @brookestephen
    @brookestephen Жыл бұрын

    What if their spoken language is only a subset of their language? What if their spoken language has only to do with arranging mating? What if they, like us, have many many languages and alphabets? The Star Trek TNG episode about a language that only expresses metaphor was a spectacular example of language subsets.

  • @lexer_
    @lexer_6 жыл бұрын

    just mentioning, aliens probably would never be able to decode our tv signals, our compression is as sophisticated as it is arbitrary. Figuring out that this data is even supposed to fit into a 2d plane will be nearly impossible to anyone who doesn't know the specs. I work with video encoding tech on the base level. Its ridiculously complicated and there is nothing in the binary stream that hints to the kind of data contained or the kind of encoding used, this will not get figured out. Color is not even encoded in rgb in video normally but into weird yuv color spaces that only make sense regarding the kind of compression we use and how our own vision regarding different contrasts and wavelengths work, non of which they could ever know.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    6 жыл бұрын

    Light takes time to travel, they will always hear the oldest stuff first. 1950s TV doesn't need much decoding.

  • @lexer_

    @lexer_

    6 жыл бұрын

    The problem with old transmissions is that their analog nature causes the data to probably be pretty much completely gone after traveling long distances through space and second we did probably never broadcast details about the first digital format that followed which is pretty much impossible to decode already without knowledge about the encoding process and the type of data contained because bandwidth was very limited at the beginning even for lowres footage. Its kinda like trying to decode something encrypted with a one-time-pad and no additional knowledge. The only hope is that mathematical quirks like rsa or aes are more universal than we thought so they came up with it independently and still remember their old tech and would try it out on our modern data because there is a lot of pretty much uncompressed but encrypted stuff around.

  • @pilotavery

    @pilotavery

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well they can see "Rosetta Stone" where they see analog and then maybe see a digital broadcast of the same thing on a different frequency. Or just observe analog signals and then digital later and figure it out.

  • @johannesh7610

    @johannesh7610

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think, they'll try any possible way the data could make sense and use AI or so for it. They will soon figure out that some parts of the data is somehow repeating and in the end by running gazillions of tries they will understand us.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    But the could figure it out given enough time. Might take centuries but eventually...

  • @nebsie3010
    @nebsie30107 жыл бұрын

    The girl was eating avacado and egg on Rye bread base

  • @jmitterii2

    @jmitterii2

    6 жыл бұрын

    Looks really good and cheap to make. Just some avocado or guacamole, rye and eggs. Super healthy and cheap. That's cheaper than a Denver omelette.

  • @marccolten9801

    @marccolten9801

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why?

  • @marchernandezzz817
    @marchernandezzz817 Жыл бұрын

    Been watching you so long I dont need subtitles, your speech has improved so much!!!

  • @maxvolpe4947
    @maxvolpe49474 жыл бұрын

    I love your content man, thank you so much for all the work you clearly put into these videos.

  • @jasontoddman7265
    @jasontoddman72657 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of the Twilight Zone classic episode, "To Serve Man".

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Which reminds me of the Simpsons Halloween Special parodying that episode :)

  • @jasontoddman7265

    @jasontoddman7265

    7 жыл бұрын

    D'Oh! I should have mentioned that too! :-)

  • @jmalmsten
    @jmalmsten6 жыл бұрын

    Just a nit pick, analog TV broadcasts aren't made up of 3 greyscale images. In order to ensure backwards compatability, color broadcasts made the electron beam wobble a little to illuminate colored filters of red grean and blue as it made its usual sweep over the screen... So if anything they (the aliens) will probably not notice much more than a slightly nosier signal, and the result would still be a single black and white image if you didn't build the reciever to take that wobble and utilize it correctly. It would just be marginally more fuzzy. Of course, we humans love to brag about our accomplishments and I'm sure that this trick for backwards compability would be well explained within the broadcasts especially since we are assuming that these aliens have been cataloguing our broadcasts since we first started using morse code. And the concept of color has been talked about over the radio well before color TV and technicolor film processes... So the aliens would have plenty of time to prepare their understanding of color even if they haven't been able to see stuff from us in the mean time. The problem comes later when we switch from analog to digital and the stray waves of signals drastically drop as we start to shift to systems that don't waste energy broadcasting the signals into semingly empty space so they will find us very hard to ... Well... Listen to.

  • @TiagoTiagoT

    @TiagoTiagoT

    6 жыл бұрын

    Isn't the analogy TV signal actually encoded as brightness, and then a red-cyan and a yellow-blue channel?

  • @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT

    @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's not that the signal made the electron beam wobble. The TV, if it was a color model, decoded that signal and modulated the beams of three independent electron guns. These were mounted side by side (or in a triangle), but aimed the same point on a mask the screen, so that their beams would arrive at slightly different angles.The mask then allowed electrons from each gun to pass through and strike the red/green/blue phosphor dots, which were side by side (or in a triangle) on the screen.

  • @jonathanhensley6141
    @jonathanhensley61413 жыл бұрын

    Love your analysis and how you rationally explain issues rather than insult people ideas

  • @delb0y1967
    @delb0y19677 жыл бұрын

    Your uploads are so well done and thought out, they are bloody great !

  • @DrShaym
    @DrShaym6 жыл бұрын

    Unless the aliens use NTSC or PAL broadcast standards, I don't think they would be able to watch our analog TV signals. It's even less likely that they'd be able to decipher digital signals because they would have to first recognize that it's a video signal encoded as a digital signal, then they would have to somehow reverse-engineer the codec and figure out all the numerous compression methods we use.

  • @seansoraghan3486

    @seansoraghan3486

    3 жыл бұрын

    An AI could easily do it

  • @tonio103683
    @tonio1036837 жыл бұрын

    12:12 That kinds of stuff would probably be avoided by figuring out multiple human languages since those are phrases exclusive to english.

  • @jgr7487

    @jgr7487

    7 жыл бұрын

    tonio103683 well, there are bilingual radio emissions, translation of songs from English to country's tongue, even "learn foreign language" ones. as soon as they get one, it'll be really easy to grasp many of our languages!

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, euphemisms should mostly be cut out by other languages too, but will still cause some trouble.

  • @silverwurm

    @silverwurm

    3 жыл бұрын

    Could lead to an interesting early hypothesis that the different language groups were actually different species, and the English speaking ones DID have claws.

  • @THEMithrandir09
    @THEMithrandir093 жыл бұрын

    I really love that Stargate SG1 episode where the Asgard have a test in place that requires knowledge about the circle to pass. I think we could build the ultimate rosetta stone for aliens based on math and other sciences. Like define numbers by relating unary(counting, like | = 1_2 = 1_10, || = 10_2 = 2_10, and so on) to binary and decimal, define hydrogen as an atom with 1 proton and write down it's (estimated) freezing point and boiling point in Kelvin, etc... From what atoms are we can get to molecules like water, and so on.

  • @tangoechobravo806
    @tangoechobravo8067 жыл бұрын

    brilliant video. Keep them coming. You're quickly becoming my go to sources for random topics in all things Astro. . brilliant work!

  • @ScorpioHighlander
    @ScorpioHighlander7 жыл бұрын

    Hum... sorry but going back to that opening opening segment of yours, they have many words for war to indicate different types of war... well, don't we have that as well? I mean for starters there are the debatable compound words such as civil-war, holy-war or war-of-sucession but we also have terrorism, insurgencies, rebellions, police actions, crusades and so on. I know it was a simple example but it does seem an oversight a prepared xeno-linguist would be unlikely to make.

  • @TP-tc7vp

    @TP-tc7vp

    5 жыл бұрын

    We do as well, yes...and the implication is that they would be warlike...which we are. If they are as warlike as we are...

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@TP-tc7vp Quite frankly, I think Darwinism would encourage a sufficiently advanced faction to have at least some degree of combat capability for mere survival, let alone to thrive.

  • @retsz
    @retsz7 жыл бұрын

    The food the lady was eating seems to be an open faced sandwich consisting of a fried egg, yellow peppers, and guacamole....? Holy crap that looks terrible

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    I know? Revolting isn't it? It probably tastes awesome then.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, sorry Mr. Arthur, but no thanks to that sandwich.

  • @Alexrider02
    @Alexrider027 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic analysis. This is something I've pondered on for a long time, but a lot of what you put forth I hadn't even considered.

  • @dakrontu
    @dakrontu7 жыл бұрын

    To Isaac... Having watched the video, a few things come to mind: 1. The difficulty of picking up signals from Earth at the distance of another star. My guess is that aliens would install relay stations in solar systems like our own, so they can feed back data. And when intelligent life develops radio and TV, they would feed that back too. Perhaps one day we will examine the outer solar system looking for signs of autonomous self-repairing self-reproducing probes that keep their distance so as not to disturb us. 2. We are a biological species which has developed a technology with which it has a symbiotic relationship. There is already talk of us eventually integrating with our technology. Perhaps our future is as machines, not biological species. Perhaps those machines will create biological species when they need them, for specific purposes. Anyway, a non-biological species would have very different interests to a biological one. I don't imagine there will be much of a restaurant industry on a planet populated by machines. Or a medical industry. Or much else that we would recognise. Yet implicit in the video is the assumption of commonality between biological species as a basis for communication. If at one end of the communication line there is a non-biological species, what then? My guess is that they would have access to info about biological systems, so they would understand how to translate stuff. But why would they bother? How could it possibly interest them?

  • @stardude692001
    @stardude6920017 жыл бұрын

    Now I'm kinda wondering what the suicide numbers will be among alien scientists whose job it is to listen to Top 40 pop station all day. I'm also wondering how many will be able to sing More than Feeling beat for beat after listen to classic rock for 30 years. Any plans to make any merchandise? I kinda want a shirt to display my love of this channel.

  • @davidk1308

    @davidk1308

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha XD

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    what surprises me is after all the Arrival and Girl's Sandwich comments not one person has referenced the 80's pop song in the episode, ah well. Yeah I suspect they'd have folks spend a lot of time on our pop music. No merchandising notions yet, maybe down the road, something for after the 100k subscriber mark.

  • @NewGoldStandard

    @NewGoldStandard

    6 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur - well, I may be late to the party, but your channel spins me right round, baby! like a record, one might say.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ironically, they might still be "fascinated" just simply because it's not theirs and it's "different" from their norms. I mean, consider what music would have been considered "trash" amongst many of the ancient Romans and yet a modern scientist worth his salt in historical academia would be thrilled to get even a snippet of it just merely to get some data on that ancient civilization.

  • @mustwereallydothis
    @mustwereallydothis5 жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't our multiple languages confuse things a whole heck of a lot?

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but we have several dominant tongues for trade and diplomacy. English, French, Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian. They will probably focus mainly on those (as they are used the most in international affairs), and then decide to use one of them for initial contact. My money on it either being English (still the main language of Trade), Mandarin (a rising power in the trade field due to China's increased influence), or French (the most commonly used "diplomatic" language used in EU meetings).

  • @DavidHernandez-cy7jq
    @DavidHernandez-cy7jq7 жыл бұрын

    to all the people making fun of his speech.leave the guy alone no ones perfect.great video isaac Arthur keep up the good work

  • @moonled

    @moonled

    4 жыл бұрын

    I certainly don't need subtitles.

  • @YoghurtKiss
    @YoghurtKiss3 жыл бұрын

    Man I love your channel, when I found it and to this day, it has been a gold mine. Never stop what you are doing, you are the best content creator of this type of content on KZread. Even the older videos (such as this at the time of writing) have a consistent tone, quality, and professionalism.

  • @Strettger
    @Strettger7 жыл бұрын

    Smells as a written language eh? Is it the good book of Cloister by any chance?

  • @BatteryExhausted

    @BatteryExhausted

    5 жыл бұрын

    Strettger THE GOLDEN HAT!

  • @sulphuric_glue4468

    @sulphuric_glue4468

    5 жыл бұрын

    There is no god but Cloister the Stupid and Cat is his prophet

  • @almondpotato9483
    @almondpotato94835 жыл бұрын

    Wait, I can produce any smell I want? Coooolll... I'm going full dog.

  • @charliesthill4790
    @charliesthill47905 жыл бұрын

    A fantastically scientific explanation of languages. This is the first documentary on language translation I have ever heard and I love your honesty and accuracy.

  • @AridosUK
    @AridosUK3 жыл бұрын

    18:42 Lister "yeah its a cat book, you run your nose along the page and all different smells are released" Rimmer "what a preposterous idea!" Red Dwarf

  • @GargamelGold
    @GargamelGold7 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur, Imagine playing a video game on a quantum computer!

  • @YOUTY209
    @YOUTY2097 жыл бұрын

    Maybe futurama wasn't so far off with Smell-O-Vision then...

  • @docgreybeard7057
    @docgreybeard70575 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant analysis as is typical of your channel. Thanks Issac and team.

  • @michaelread539
    @michaelread5397 жыл бұрын

    Just discovered your videos. Great stuff, Man. I like the sound of your voice and my ear somehow hears all the r words just fine. Thank you for putting together such well thought out observations!

  • @shadowcat314
    @shadowcat3145 жыл бұрын

    Bellacasi III really? You didn't think they had a word for war?? BELLigerent ParaBELum BELLicose...war is literally in their name. Doesn't bellacasi 3, when translated from Latin mean 'the third house of war' or 'the third dynasty of war'?

  • @TheRealBileth
    @TheRealBileth7 жыл бұрын

    What do you think of the movie Arrival?

  • @rhuiah
    @rhuiah2 жыл бұрын

    Great episode. The best way to communicate might be to build/clone something relatable to the planet's dominant race: "Mreow? *chases after a laser pointer*" [translation: "Why haven't our minions built that anti-asteroid laser yet!"]

  • @McHaven07
    @McHaven077 жыл бұрын

    These videos are great, Issac! Your in-depth analysis of these themes are a real resource to me (mumble-as a sci fi writer-mumble) and I appreciate your expertise. Your back-catalogue is about to get a violent perusing!

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    :) Amusingly the original video (which is quite horrible from a production standpoint) was made for SF authors, I never meant to develop that into a channel, it evolved out of an irritation with Scifi not having enough space stations and me at the time getting asked about them a lot at a worldbuilding forum I was active in at the time. An awful lot of the early episodes are really about correct portrayal of alien planets and such, because it seemed a better approach than doing a paper with diagrams :)

  • @McHaven07

    @McHaven07

    7 жыл бұрын

    Happy accidents like that are the best gifts! And I'll certainly have to discover why you feel there should be more space stations. Also, if what I'd gleaned from some of the comments earlier are correct, I'd like to thank you for your service. Sincerely. I'm actually really psyched that you responded to me. Once a video's got 600 comments or more, I felt I would have to wait until your next upload to have a chance at getting noticed. I’d really actually like to get your opinion on the convention of gravity manipulation you see so much of in sci-fi. I’ve been trying to decide if having the ability to create “artificial” gravity (not the centrifugal variety) on a ship would mean things like gravity lances and other uber advanced tech and weapons should also exist. I didn’t REALLY want to go there for what I’m working on, but I’d at least like to know so I can be able to throw in a McGuffin of some sort to explain why they DON’T if I decide to go that way. PS: have your read the webcomic Schlock Mercenary by Howard Taylor? I think you'd like it.

  • @MaitlandJones
    @MaitlandJones6 жыл бұрын

    Fermi Paradox theory: some the first implementations of radio was by Hitler to broadcast his speeches. The aliens know we exist but all have come to the agreement, "stay away from those humans, they ain't right in the head!"

  • @MaitlandJones

    @MaitlandJones

    6 жыл бұрын

    My theory was partially joking. Secondly, I believe morality is not subjective. Thirdly, this is not a moral argument, but an argument of logic. I am sure any species that have gotten intelligent to the level can understand the concept of genocide. When viewing another civilization's radio broadcasts and for example intercepted Hitler's speeches and followed up with journalism at the time, and eventually a documentary or two on the Holocaust they can infer that at least some humans are violent, even to the point of genocide. So logically based on Hitler's speeches a civilization could come to the conclusion that making contact with or sharing technology with humans could lead to potential conflict in the future. Not a Fermi Paradox solution, because one civilization might just say, "Lets wipe them out before they are a threat." In the end my theory was just a joke in a KZread comments section. lol

  • @johng8837

    @johng8837

    6 жыл бұрын

    Maitland Jones imagine the awkward moment when first contact is.made only because the aliens really liked the creative aesthetics of Nazi Germany

  • @Mastertheologian

    @Mastertheologian

    6 жыл бұрын

    Maitland Jones You should watch the movie Contact! It's just about that, and if I remember correctly it went out in 1997.

  • @barahng

    @barahng

    6 жыл бұрын

    Maitland Jones Radio was around for a littlenwhile before Hitler. By the time he was giving radio broadcast speeches, other people were too. What I'm wondering is how confused aliens would be if they heard the original War of the Worlds radio broadcast.

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MaitlandJones But what about the post WWII signals? Not exactly ideal, but they at least show there'd be humans willing to engage in talks w/o firing a shot first.

  • @HypaspistOrange
    @HypaspistOrange7 жыл бұрын

    I shudder at the thought of aliens drawing conclusions about humans from radio shows like Rush Limbaugh's

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Ignoring the flamebait aspect of that remark, objectively speaking from an anthropological standpoint the show would be an absolute gold mine. It's the same guy discussing basically currents events and human psychology for 3 hours a day, 5 days a week for almost 30 years and being transmitted from tons and tons of different stations and transmitters mostly located in one region. That would be like coming across a thousand volume history of Cesarean Rome written by the same author, biased to his perspective but containing a damn near perfect download of life then.

  • @Morrigi192

    @Morrigi192

    7 жыл бұрын

    It wouldn't be any worse than the image of Rome that *Secret History*, written by Procopius, gave modern civilization.

  • @jmitterii2

    @jmitterii2

    6 жыл бұрын

    Or imagine them getting audio recordings of Hitler, or more modern, the fat man who sounds like he has a greasy set of hamburgers stuck in his his throat and gets stupid people to buy his bogus junk... Jones or whatever.

  • @bearcatben4762

    @bearcatben4762

    6 жыл бұрын

    the westboro baptist church having a propaganda sector is what i'm scared about

  • @alexseguin5245

    @alexseguin5245

    6 жыл бұрын

    Funny you say that, I thought the same thing! That and Alex Jones... Ugh. Wonder what aliens would think of that.

  • @maxwelll1978
    @maxwelll19787 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Sir! :D What a delight it is to receive another one of your great transmissions. For the first time ever I lamented that traditional TV is longer king, for the only reason that if it were and your shows were on, you'd be making a comfortable living from them and more widely known. Also, any Alien viewers/listeners to Earths signals will not have the pleasure of trying to decipher your videos. Perhaps if they could they would be more inclined to visit.

  • @logan3213
    @logan32137 жыл бұрын

    A friend introduced me to one of your videos and I've been watching them for the past 3 hours and I love them. Keep up the good work!

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Logan!

  • @unvergebeneid
    @unvergebeneid7 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure if octopodes became intelligent, they would display super complex patterns on their skins.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    I think visual skin patterns might be decently common for communication.

  • @unvergebeneid

    @unvergebeneid

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I think so, too. It can evolve from camouflage, which is really advantageous, over social signalling, just as in cephalopods, to a very complex and high-bandwidth language.

  • @BatteryExhausted

    @BatteryExhausted

    5 жыл бұрын

    They are intelligent. #govegan

  • @sulphuric_glue4468

    @sulphuric_glue4468

    5 жыл бұрын

    "Became" intelligent? They're already far in excess of us, they're just hiding it while they slowly take over

  • @revert6417
    @revert64177 жыл бұрын

    If you met an alien with tentacle would you swipe left or right?

  • @entropic8708

    @entropic8708

    7 жыл бұрын

    Noseface Tough call.

  • @InsanoBinLooney

    @InsanoBinLooney

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'd kick low.

  • @helenastenvislavskovic

    @helenastenvislavskovic

    5 жыл бұрын

    Obviously, succ

  • @Simurgh1000
    @Simurgh10007 жыл бұрын

    One great subject that you bring up is high bandwidth communication and. You touched on this a little bit in your transhumanism video how fast and detailed individuals could potentially communicate. Even without augmentation, constructed languages like Ithkuil could potentially allow communication 5 to 6 times the speed of natural languages with greater precision (Kozlovsky 2004). Computer mediated communication which you discussed at the end is probably the ultimate goal since it is lossless (no room for basic misunderstandings) and extremely high density. One might consider the aesthetic possibilities of poetry, music, and literature using this medium! Thanks again for your insightful videos.

  • @jixodu
    @jixodu7 жыл бұрын

    A wonderful video like always. Thank you Arthur to make our every Thursday more interesting!

  • @grimjowjaggerjak
    @grimjowjaggerjak7 жыл бұрын

    And how do they will differenciate the hundreds of languagues used by each counties on earth ?

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Same way, frequency analysis, including the normal kind of frequency, since a give radio frequency will mostly be using just one language.

  • @JulianDanzerHAL9001

    @JulianDanzerHAL9001

    7 жыл бұрын

    actually - differentiating languages is reeally easy - you don't need to understand them at all - as long as you can somewhat seperate the sources you will notice that some aources use certain patterns really frequently that otheres never use at all - put an advancedcomputer to itand you have a 99.9% reliable seperat distinction of languages in minutes - although without actually understanding any of it

  • @barahng

    @barahng

    6 жыл бұрын

    juste kevin They'd probably just start by learning the most prevalent and/or politically dominant language, and then we've already done all the translation work for them.

  • @ChocolateKuruma
    @ChocolateKuruma5 жыл бұрын

    What if the aliens speak in an encrypted dialect that doesn't know how to pronounce 'R's?

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Then this is an ideal vid for them, isn't it?

  • @chriswerb7482
    @chriswerb74825 жыл бұрын

    This is the most addictive video channel ever for me. I often find myself sitting up way past my bedtime on workdays listening to them. You're losing me a lot of sleep :)

  • @bankpain
    @bankpain7 жыл бұрын

    12:43 gives me a shivers dude. it's absolutely awe-inspiring that some concepts transcend _everything_, and that our understanding of them could unify us with other intelligent lifeforms on the mutual basis of our curiosity and scientific endeavours.

  • @bernardtaylor7768
    @bernardtaylor77683 жыл бұрын

    An alien species that is picking up our early tv transmissions will have to suffer through re-runs of I Love Lucy and probably commit ritual suicide

  • @seymoronion8371

    @seymoronion8371

    3 жыл бұрын

    Blasphemy!

  • @bernardtaylor7768

    @bernardtaylor7768

    2 жыл бұрын

    I really do agree with you, some of our early tv shows were the best even I Love Lucy because the television and radio were the only means of information available for the average family not like today with every device you can ware or carry connected to the internet

  • @rubilax1806
    @rubilax18066 жыл бұрын

    Oh no Info Wars well the aliens are gonna irradiate us because they think we are insane I don't blame them

  • @andrewchappelle5429

    @andrewchappelle5429

    6 жыл бұрын

    Amazing commentary cybernet. What could we do without your comment. Good guy. You da best. We are all now enriched for having read your words.

  • @MrBruteSmasher

    @MrBruteSmasher

    6 жыл бұрын

    The Shushu King Whats the point in making things political on a channel like this

  • @omni-man4624

    @omni-man4624

    6 жыл бұрын

    Bruter Cause, he's just a kid brainwashed into bringing politics into every online subject.

  • @rogerjrusa

    @rogerjrusa

    6 жыл бұрын

    Boooo, politics? Here? C’mon man. At least try to compose a legible sentence if you absolutely must.

  • @JeanLucCaptain

    @JeanLucCaptain

    6 жыл бұрын

    Human are CRAZY CRAZY ALIENS. EXTERMINATE!!!

  • @maryroybal678
    @maryroybal6785 жыл бұрын

    Isaac Arthur . You are an intelligent person on the subject of Cryptic Files. Love your channel.

  • @lisascales6541
    @lisascales65413 жыл бұрын

    I love his voice its just adorable I could steady listen to him talk so adorable

  • @istvanlevai8365
    @istvanlevai83655 жыл бұрын

    Very insightfull video! Awesome job indeed!

  • @Roxor128
    @Roxor1287 жыл бұрын

    Another Friday, another fascinating video from Isaac Arthur.

  • @DaveGamesVT
    @DaveGamesVT3 жыл бұрын

    Always great stuff!

  • @ontoya1
    @ontoya14 жыл бұрын

    Ahhhhh, I love this episode, it really put a smile on my face to think that simply with time, effort and data it would be possible

  • @kickersswe
    @kickersswe3 жыл бұрын

    I really love your channel Isaac :) Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sweden

  • @NETkoholik
    @NETkoholik7 жыл бұрын

    I have recently stumbled upon your channel and I haven't watched all of your videos yet but this was incredibly insightful and probably one of the best videos you have posted so far. Thank you. I now see the human species differently and in awe. The human body is fascinating and our culture even more so.

  • @isaacarthurSFIA

    @isaacarthurSFIA

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Dan! I hope you enjoy the rest as much.

  • @coffeecaveman123
    @coffeecaveman1236 жыл бұрын

    Very thorough and informative (As always) keep being great.

  • @CSX-fp9xk
    @CSX-fp9xk7 жыл бұрын

    I just finished watching Arrival before I took to you tube and found this video. Awesome!

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