I love the retrospective self-critiques at the end--you think the same way that I do and it's nice to see someone examining all sides of a problem.

This wasn't a poorly thought out adventure - you made something that made sense at the time, and discovered an easier method later. You're in good company there - I've done my share of that as well. I love those knobs you made! Very clever to hide the bolt head like that.

I'd laugh at you, except having done similar things myself a few thousand times, I'll just laugh WITH you in comradeship. I won't throw any salt in the wound with my simpler suggestions post facto. You have obviously thought of some yourself. But most of us GREATLY appreciate you sharing this experience we have in common.

It's nice to know I'm not the only ones that makes things harder than they need to be. Thank you. Nice looking nobs.

As you started talking, I was trying to figure out where you might be headed with your correction comments. I thought, this guy is so talented that he is going to make a lever out of some exotic scrap and epoxy a hex nut or maybe use a threaded insert in his lever. A 1/4” hex head bolt in the fence gives you 6 shots at a partial twist to fully tighten with less than 180 degree flip of the lever. When you pulled out the wing nut, I said he is going to grind part of one wing to make a lever. Anyway, you brought me to the point where I can see a solution to an issue that I was trying to resolve the other day. Thanks.

Love your video(s). Clear, concise steps to the end product. Great projects! Please keep your videos coming. Thank you, Jase.

I really enjoyed watching this project. Your knobs look very elegant and I like the way you recessed them into the knob. When you were demonstrating other options of how to tackle this project towards the end of the video I thought for sure you would I have considered an adjustable machine handle or a small cam lever. Like yourself, I use a lot of extruded aluminum in jigs. 80/20 and McMaster Carr have an array of extruded aluminum accessories to make nearly anything. I built a mortising machine completely from extruded aluminum parts and pieces I've collected over the years. I'm currently designing a hybrid work bench that will include inlaid extruded aluminum rails along with the traditional woodworkers workbench tooling. Now granted it's not as cheap as using plywood or MDF and making all your own parts for jigs. But I have found that the jigs I make from extruded aluminum and their parts can be much more versatile. For someone that is overly concerned with aesthetics like myself ,the investment is worth it. Like you have demonstrated in other videos aluminum is easy to fabricate with simple woodworking tools. I'm surprised that I have not seen more woodworkers using the vast array of a products available from 80/20 or McMaster Carr in their shops. Really enjoy your channel, thanks for all the work you do producing these videos.

The Shop-Made knobs are awesome! Nice work! Keep the videos coming

Hi Patrick, In the end your wood knobs look much better than the other ideas.

You can also use nuts or bolts with adjustable handle. They are common on various machineries. A lot of mechanical advantage not limited to 11mm radius, and you can always find a comfortable position foe it every 60 degrees.

Hardest way possible intertwined with an ETA based on Best Possible Outcome........that’s how I roll...... nice video Patrick

I really like your videos. Your directions are clear, concise and logical and presented in a well thought out manner. Keep up the good work. Oh yes most of your ideas have also taken place in my shop. David

Love your honesty and humility! The knobs look and work great, even if they were the long way, so you had success!

I've been using the same setup on my Incra V27 miter gauge for a few years, but I use a pair of 1/4"-20 ratchet lever knobs.

Hi Patrick, It is The same old story: At least a minute after You finished something, you'll find another way to do the same job, more easy or more nice than you just done. It is in the God design, so do not worry about! Lol. Thank for sharing your knob building method!

I like the knobs and I like the way you made them. The short way of making these things is to go out and buy it ready made where someone else got the pleasure of designing and building it and forever feeling the pride that comes from invention.

Thanks for all the wise lessons!

This is where I head over to the 3d printer and print some custom knobs. Although I suppose if I quit my job, and could convince convince my wife and kids more time in the shop will benefit everyone I might do this.

Nice made and thanks for sharing. Personally I would make a higher beam to screw on and use the middle slot.

You could also use toilet bolts in the t-track, then make a wooden nut using a wood tap to make the internal threads. 2 pieces, 1 shop made, no epoxy-in-thread worries

Really enjoy your channel, thanks , and please keep them coming

Beautiful knobs. The extra mechanical advantage from their size is definitely appealing. I can't fault your overall design; it gets the job done without introducing difficulties. But I will admit that as soon as I saw the t-track in front of the bolt slot, my mind jumped to t-bolts. richard -- Clarke's Law, corollary #2: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.

Love these videos Patrick. The heavy detail and focus on nuance really set them apart from others out there.

It’s beautiful, that’s it 😍 thank you :))

Probably a bit late in the game but i found a pair of Clamping Lever Bolts perfect for the same job. They can also be adjusted so they are facing the right way after they are tight.

I really like both methods you never know what you might need. Thanks

You sir are my new hero 'cause you are honest about yourself....

Two small can levers would be simpler (?) and quicker but these look to be useful small knobs. 👍

You might add a spacer to the length of the bottom of the fence to raise it up which would give you more clearance to work with.

If you think that is poorly thought out, you should see some of the "solutions" I've come up with in my shop over the years. I think those knobs are fantastic.

Good video.

You could use a 1/4-20 Aluminum Cam Clamp, they're very quick.

Incra makes ratcheting lever knobs with t- bolts that would work great in this application. Rockler also sells them.

Dr. Sullivan, I would have done it the easier way and I have made some the easier way before. There have been countless times, however, when I have finished some complicated project with many steps only to have my wife say "couldn't you have just done 1,2,3?". Those are my Homer Simpson moments.

Hey, it works and we all learned stuff. Life is good. :-) Thanks much and thumbs up to crush a troll.

Nice to get to learn from the mistakes (?) of others.

A lever would be able to give more torque, and it would not interfere due to the small turning angle

@evanallen5377

4 жыл бұрын

That would have been my solution, shim with washers (and/or glip the toilet bolt over) until it tightens in the right part of the arc

@mikecurtin9831

4 жыл бұрын

It would apply more torque, but it would be faster, too. :-) Good idea.

@BenMitro

4 жыл бұрын

How would you screw the lever on in the first place? I thought that too, then it dawned on me.

@AdityaMehendale

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed - a toggle would be a lot easier than fiddly knobs, if all you need is a quarter turn 6:10 . An easy way would be to have press-fit or magnetic toggles that just clip onto a regular hex-nut (that does the initial several turns without the handle). A further step of improvement would be to link both nuts, so that a single toggle-leve actuates *both*. Is it over-engineering? Heck yes.

@howardbecdove9780

4 жыл бұрын

I think of it as an adventure - it’s not so much about the destination, but more about the journey. You’d learn nothing if you’d stumbled on an immediate solution per chance.

Thanks Patrick! Enjoyed your thinking/build process and read a few of the comments about levers. They are fine in some instance but found the plastic ones usually die a horrible death in a short time. McMaster Carr has metal ones with studs or internal threads but not cheap (~$9 ea.). The one thing I noticed with your beautiful knobs is there is a considerable gap between the incra fence and bolt diameter, which I saw the fence jump when you tightened it. Perhaps adding a shoulder or bushing to your knob would take up the slack eliminating the jump when tightening. Thanks for the great videos and quality videography! Really enjoy your channel. ~PJ

That is Spiffy !!!

I like your knobs!:) I was thinking of adding a spring and have a longer lever you could either pull or push to release from the hex and rotate to get a better purchase on to tighten or loosen. Just my brain over thinking it!

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

You can buy such a device. It is called a ratcheting lever knob. Here is a link to one of several you can find on Amazon: amzn.to/2BbvyzO . It may be possible to build such a device in the home shop, but it would not be trivial. I have tested this, and it works in this situation. I should have put this in the video.

@rbwoodwork1890

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Sullivan yes exactly! I couldn’t remember what they were called. Thanks. Excellent video by the way!

You could also drill and tap the wood knobs though I would probably epoxy a steel washer to the knob for a hard bearing surface.

isn't overly complicated why were woodworkers? Mortis and tenon when pocket screws will do; dovetails for drawers when nailed butt joints work fine, keep up the overly complicated but aesthetically pleasing and emotionally satisfying is what we live for.

my thinking was a coarser thread so that 90° of throw would be sufficient to tighten or loosen, and some L-shaped levers on each side. go from 45° left of center, to 45° right of center, or vice-versa. but that's just me thinking. thanks for the great vids.

I like them I think they're fine

Ahh mannnnn, you need cam operated knobs,, that would have been more complicated! The latest craze would have been a remote actuated device .. micro hydraulics with a Rasbberry Pi

Great critique Patrick, did you consider shop made levers? with the correct thread selection you would only need ⅓ of a turn to loosen/tighten and you could shim the lever to put them in the correct position, or you could use those spring loaded reposition-able ones for an elegant store bought look, I know my finger tips aren't as strong as they used to be, good work.

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

Great idea. I did consider the ratcheting lever knobs. I bought a package of 1/4" ones made by Incra from Amazon about a year ago. They would fit. Here is a link to that product: amzn.to/3dHMb3c . They would work here. However, the wood knobs do not require great finger strength. They lock up the fence with surprisingly little effort. I think the choice is one of aesthetics.

Okay, I love your workmanship! Very awesome. My question is, would it be too difficult to remove the vertical part, and fashion a taller part, so you could use the next slot up? Then I would be appreciative of being able to use larger knobs that would show off your skills even!

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the body of the miter gauge is a single piece of steel, bent into a precise right angle. It does not come apart. The other approach would be to raise the slot in the fence. The miter gauge has slots for the screws that would fit a slot located higher in the fence. If you build the fence from wood, then setting the location of the slot to optimize the knob size would be easy.

Patrick, this is off topic but figured the best way to get you a message. Would you consider designing a bench top stand for a belt sander? There are several on KZread but none that quite hit all of the bells and whistles like I think you would.

loved it thanks. Did u order the track to match your eyes? :-)

You don't even need to epoxy a normal nut into the bottom of the shop made knob. A t-nut should do the job.

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So what! I have never seen or been involved in an engineering project where 10 people come up with 10 very different ideas. Stay safe. -Mike

What spray it is? Do you have a link?

Hello , just curious , are you a member of the National Woodcarvers Association ?

Off topics question - Have you had any issues w the metal fence triggering the Sawstop safety stop?

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. If it even grazes the blade while running, the safety cartridge will fire. That was one reason for wanting to make the fence adjustment so easy that I would never postpone it. The saw has no trouble with the fence being simply close to the blade.

@scottpenman1595

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Sullivan I’m really enjoying your videos! Thanks for sharing

Did the anodising on aluminium stop it reacting with the steel slider?

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely no signs of corrosion or reaction.

@peternicholsonu6090

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Sullivan Thankyou for your response. I am only 73 with another 30 something years and until lockdown I didn’t pause to upgrade my tools and workshop. Well the shop is now clean, tidy, screws, nuts, brackets, varnishes, sanding, polishing supplies all housed properly. Your videos have now turned my attention to upgrading my power tools. Drill stand bench, sander and router benches and now table saw. Thankyou. You were so right about my multiple sleds in hidden places and not even properly made. The other day I ripped down an 8’ 2x4 into multiple strips and was thoroughly ashamed at my rough and rude system which worked as always but without the satisfaction I plan next time. I don’t even have a track slide bar. Well until this week that is when I repent and turn around and show works of contrition...keep it up please

Poorly thought out? Dude, that never applies to you! Really enjoy your videos. 🖖

For the life of me, I'll never understand why more people don't use cams instead of knobs.

Just be careful with an aluminum fence on a Sawstop table saw. You maybe changing your underwear if the fence contacts the blade while it's running. I've done it myself.

@PatrickSullivan

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I've done that, too. I couldn't see any mark on the fence, but I suddenly needed a new safety cartridge and a new blade. This was one of the things that persuaded me that I needed a faster, easier way to adjust the fence.

@dsdragoon

4 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickSullivanMy miter fence has a tiny mark on it. I keep the blade and brake cartridge as a trophy to remind me to be careful. You should see Andy Rawls latest video: “Crazy Table Saw Accident // Queen Bed Build // Golf Ball Case” he accidentally dropped a tape measure onto a running Sawstop table saw blade. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5NpyNKwg9LKXc4.html The result was not what I expected.

yes.....it got old fast.