100mm travel 'not much' and 'skinny' 2.35 tyres? This would have been a good DH bike in the 90's! I'm so old.

@solobellimino2356

5 жыл бұрын

I laughed when i heard 2.35 being skinny

@aristomenis_k

5 жыл бұрын

Agree so much!

@stinkyfungus

5 жыл бұрын

ikr? I picked up a specialized epic pro WC recently. I was like HOLY cow, back in 95... this thing would have destroyed the DH scene... It's an XC bike...

@pellejaspers4854

5 жыл бұрын

I guess they where talking about the walls of the tire because its a well know skinny tire (besides its size)

@JTMarlin8

5 жыл бұрын

I rode DH in the 90s, and yes, 100mm travel these days is nothing. It's not that you're old, you're just washed out and haven't kept up with the times. How you're able to logon to this new fangled innernet and post a comment on KZread is quite a mystery. Do you use AOL for email?

Jeez, the speed Grant came down the rock garden.... Seat up, short travel... Respect!!!

@mr.d7429

5 жыл бұрын

... and no dropper post!

@Erafune

4 жыл бұрын

10:26 His head was more stable than my virginity

@rhyswilliams4893

3 жыл бұрын

"short travel " 10 year ago its was the norm. It was possible then it's possible now.

@arnostokes7898

3 жыл бұрын

i like this comment i race xc and its not that hard its just not that nice to do it

@dannyfag1

3 жыл бұрын

I have ridden 30 years, so the 1st 10 years were on a mix of xc ridgid and then short travel 80mm forks...just saying grant is flying...

Great comparison between the two bikes. Now put Chris on the XC bike!

@winters3

5 жыл бұрын

it's a must !

@oscarcerqueiro4038

5 жыл бұрын

And its only a 6km race, imagine how much gap can he open if they run 50km.

@ethositachi

5 жыл бұрын

@@oscarcerqueiro4038 the battery wouldn't last that long

@oscarcerqueiro4038

5 жыл бұрын

​@@ethositachi At max power that bikes can reach with help 40 or 50km with out problems.

@Wutbart

4 жыл бұрын

@@oscarcerqueiro4038 in the flat....

I'm an XC Amateur Rider and recently had the chance to try an E-Bike on my regular training trails (27.5, 160mm, XT 1x11 and Shimano Powered): You gain the most on the climbs and of course on the flats after a steep climb when usually go slower to catch the breath again. Faster on descents than an XC bike? Yes, but maily because wider tires and more weight keeps the bike closer to the ground giving you more confidence to loose the brakes, remember that E-Bikes are mecanically assisted so you HAVE to pedal hard in order to go faster. E-Bikes provide a lot of fun, can go faster and safer on descents and you can exercise as much as you want, the more you pedal, the faster you go.

It would be interesting to get a pro athlete to test the same course on a set of different ebikes. Something tells me Bosch/Yamaha/Brose motors will all give completely different results. In particular, Yamaha's instant engagement and ability to start progressively from high gear will play a big role.

"MANY, MANY BEERS" Awesome! What a man of the people. :)

Great skills on the eBike. Just loving the channel Guys. Very happy Scott eRide Genius 900 Tuned .... just not enough days in the week now. Cheers Raymondo

I don't usually watch EMBN, but this video was sick !!!

Thanks to both of you for that video. Answered a few questions I had floating around in my head.

Crazy you beat the Olympian! And I can hardly believe you took the words right off my comment I was totally going to ask for an Olympian on an E bike! Brilliant

That was a fun challenge! Grant tore that stuff up big time! Smokin' fast without a motor!

Very good comparison vid, well presented with the stats etc including the pro on the emtb at the end. 👍

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

That deer around 5:01 was a nice touch. Goes on to show how blindingly fast Grant really is. Have had a couple encounters with them myself on a bike and no way I'm staying on their tail that long. Deers disappear into the forest so damn fast. >_

@Nit2315

5 жыл бұрын

Deer would won the race for sure, half the time of any bike rider :D

@kldstl

5 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, didn't notice that at first. Nice catch.

@decoy1312

3 жыл бұрын

5:02*

@vashon100

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for pointing out the deer!

Your no slouch Chris, Put me on that ebike against him and I would have no chance, an E-bike may tern a great free rider into an Olympic Athlete, but not us mortals. Lol Great video.

Superb race, excellent comparison, superb! More such broadcasts.

SWAP BIKES? CHRIS ON THE XC BIKE?

@22Jeffers

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Smith Would be funny though 😉

@dougharvey9766

5 жыл бұрын

Not enough film in the camera for that. Great video guys

Very interesting competition, it must be remembered that Spetral has its limitations and on a long straight trained cyclist will overtake the bike with a speed lock. However, there are no chances for long climbs. More such videos please!

Wow, nice video, thanks for both your hard work! Grant is a machine, mad skills and high output. 2 thumbs up!! now switch bikes, Grant will catch that back tire on fire, lol.

Whaou, impressive, exactly what i was looking for. Thanks for the job and effort, electric or not !!!

Very good video Chris. Despite liking you videos in the shed I think you do much better on the field. Keep doing the good work. Cheers from New Zealand. 🤙🏼

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

Chris Smith - Training Regime : Many Many beers! LMAO

Chris showed some nice skills as well...kudos

About right. Big long travel e-bike on fast techy downs will be able to flow over the rough vs the 100mm will bite hard on a lot of it. Rough steep techy ups the e-bike doesnt wear out like a human non EPO engine. Have an older friend in late 60's was on deaths door, used an e-MTB to get some fitness back, then back onto a LT MTB, then an XC racer and now he has qualified for worlds Masters in Poland. None of that would have been possible without the assist of the e-MTB to get him out riding and having fun with us again.

yes, instantly sharing this. Loved it

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel! 👍

Wow, this shines a light on just how incredible the pro XC racers are

Super vidéo , belle comparaison 👍😁💪. Thx

As a superannuation sufferer, this is just the video I was waiting to see. Having lost more aerobic capabilities (150 max heart-rate) than technical skills this gives me confidence to join on the "A" ride with my ebike.

i dont understand the dislikes, or the thumbs down on this chanel. We already know what the videos are all about, and we are here cause we love these guys and the hard job they put into making it so entretaining and educational. Thank you guys for your videos, hope it will never stop! ;)

@user-zw1xf6jy9z

Жыл бұрын

Bref,faut apprecier ou la fermer.Drole de façon de recevoir la critique🤔

Love it. GREAT VID!!!

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

🤟

Only one bit of essential information missing Chris time on a non ebike 😀

Great video guys well presented

Awesome and Geat vid and Purpose and content !! Well Done ! Bud, sadly the Haters comments.... really shows the lack of knowledge in ebike mtb really... its jelousy plus envy combined ... a bad mix of feelings... for a awesome well directed and logical video that enters a new territory of analysis into the ebikes era... ! Thanks Again Guys keep up the great work and effort ! Love this channel !

Nice vid, next time pls do a Can An Dirt Bike Beat A World Cup Pro?

You both did a good job. I'm not of a mtb bike guy myself(although I have one)..I prefere road. But I enjoyed it.

I loved the video, but after reading the comments, I think most of the people didnt understood the diferences between e bike/ bike. Let me just say this - I consider myself a averege rider (10 years in the sport) and I am prety sure I would loose that race, riding the e-bike. BOTH riders have phenomenal downhill skills, and that, no e-bike can give you. Guys, ride safe, enjoy, and dont be haters. Diferent people have diferent reazons to ride e-bikes, and you dont have nothing to do with that. ;)

I’m curious how close the E-bike times would’ve been if Chris had took the right turns! Still impressive and somewhat demoralizing for us folks on acoustic bikes 😂 nice vid! 🤙🏻

Great !!! Nice video

Awesome riding and awesome trail!

Amazing Race! Subscribed

Great video!

The great equalizer is the eBike which neutralizes the conditioning advantage Grant has over Chris with regards to climbing hills. Thank you for sharing!

@thelelanatorlol3978

4 жыл бұрын

@jriden There's nothing lazy about using technology lmao. It's just physics at work, nothing magical that your muscles aren't held under as well, except that muscles are a very general form of power production whilst motors designed with the intent to propel the wheel is a specialized form of power production.

@matthewhunter6421

4 жыл бұрын

@@thelelanatorlol3978 and a motorcycle is just physics at work, clearly it's just as physical a workout riding a motorcycle as it a Mtn bike, right? Of course it's laziness. You're compensating for a lack of fitness

Great video guy's! Although we missed Chris on the XC bike....

What an epic race!

I liked the video, the bikes and also that beautiful trail!

Hey Chris, great comparison video but it would be really good to know how relative effort/output stacks up... which gave me an idea... I have my Spectral:On arriving this week, and I was thinking it would be interesting to use my Garmin Vector power pedals on it to get some data... thinking I will compare it with my Cyclocross bike.

What a fun video to watch!

" I managed to do it in 1:21" Correction; "My E-bike and I managed to do it in 1:21"

@therodenthitman

3 жыл бұрын

He was very clear that the e-bike beat the olympic rider not "himself alone", cut him some slack.

@thenine83

3 жыл бұрын

@@therodenthitman This video just backs up some people's belief that e-bikes are cheating. When Chris overtakes him going uphill, there is nothing at all impressive about that. It really is just cheat mode. I don't even know what the point of this video was. Was there really going to be any other outcome? This Grant guy is at least twice as fit, much better trained, him and his bike are half the weight of Chris and his bike and he still loses because of how much work that motor does for the e-bike rider. For e-bike lovers, this should be more embarrassing than impressive.

@sam53143

3 жыл бұрын

@@thenine83 You miss the point of ebikes, they aren't meant to be used in races or competition... They're just meant to let anyone have fun on the trails or roads, and help people keep up with friends or groups. This video was more just to show how far ebikes can push it

@thenine83

3 жыл бұрын

@@sam53143 Yeah except in this video, which is obviously what I'm referring to in my comment, they're used in a race, and the rider who is inferior in every regard to his competitor still wins because of how much the ebike helps him. As the video title says though, it really is 'e-bike' vs an olympian because when the bike is doing that much of the work for you, you can't call it rider vs rider. It's like doping if they're used competitively against a normal bike, except it's the bike thats full of PEDs.

@joshwokojance3790

3 жыл бұрын

@@thenine83 it’s not like this was a sanctioned event that he snuck in an e bike. No reason to get so defensive about it. The script could easily be flipped. Say a new bike owner with a beginner bike was out riding with the pro rider and his lighter bike with better components. Is it cheating when the heavier bike loses?

Dude I laugh so much with the riders specs, It deserves my kudos only for that!

That was fun to watch!

@embn

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I wonder how much juice was left in the battery after the first race.

@Noadvantage246

4 жыл бұрын

Probably a lot

The part where Chris hits the first slight climb in his granny gear is pretty hilarious!

I think the key here is do not rush, when the opponent is down then rush after. Nice comparison tho I really appreciate that this video came into my recommended. I was actually finding a comparison to a Road Bike and Mountain Bike, but this video was more interesting so I watched it.

Lol I loved that you didn't bother showing him on the ebike

That track looks awesomely fun!!!

I really liked the analysis.. and what the man could do on downhills and DROPS without a dropper...

Great video 👍🏻, best wishes from Kassel, Germany

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🤟

Cool comparison!

Excellent video very interesting

Great race and nice mountain bike s

Brilliant battle .

@somerandomguywastaken

5 жыл бұрын

@Chris Smith your not verified 🤣

Bloody brilliant boys.

Great video. Never thought of doing a compare like that. Interesting race. My "e-bike lusting" is for a 750 watt mid-motor hunting bike with 4" wide tires. I want it to be able to haul all the boned out quarters of a deer and the backstops (filet mignon) plus my 40 pounds of lightweight camping gear and scoped rifle. All this at altitudes from 7,000 ft. to 11,000 ft. in any weather excepting a blizzard or 2+ feet of snow. Spendy at over US $4,000. but for this 76 year old geezer it is a godsend for getting my gear and deer or elk meat out of Nevada's mountainous backcountry without having to make several trips. Yeah, I still backpack Nevada's an Utah's mountains in spring, summer and fall but adding 3.5 kilos of scoped rifle and ammo makes it more difficult at altitude. And did I mention hauling out the meat? E-Bikes are extending the years I can hunt in the mountains.

@bangtarights2226

5 жыл бұрын

Quality

Very nice and insterenting. Video. Good to know

Very good video,I've recently got a Giant e-bike and put semi road tyres on it from 2.6 inch to 2 inch to increase range and a slightly higher top speed on the easier bits,and the horrific noise they made on the road😂,,my point being that my e-bike is shaving minutes off all my normal routes it is hard to notice at first but the ending to this video explains it well,👍

What i learned; Grant is FASTTTTTT

thanks for sharing

Well done Grant, respect. 👍🏻

An absolutely smashing trail! Would love to have a ride there and train a little!

I've shared this video a thousand times -- it's a realistic comparison and a great way to convince people that an electric mountain bike is not a bad thing. I wish you'd edit a version down to 90 seconds or as short as possible in a new version so that people can get the gist of it without watching 15 minute. I think it highlights two things: 1) uphill grinds are not fun for everyone, but an e-bike can inject just enough in the legs to let you keep riding more loops 2) you can have a lot of fun and a big cardio day, and an endorphin ride and enjoy the whole day (day after day) and 3) it's really boring riding an hour climb in the granny gear when you can be blasting uphill with full assist, then back it off and ride a light eMTB that handles well and doesn't feel heavy.

@3:36 training regime: barspins, manuals, and many, many beers hahahahahaha

great video!.

Great video, but what were you doing on that first climb...was it in eco mode?

@Palletjefe

5 жыл бұрын

Looked like Eco at 15%

@OKFrax-ys2op

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Turbo ?

Right then, waiting for new E- XC bikes to crop out in coming years, mean time, let's keep fitness at personal optimum. That was good!!!

@jclar3565

4 жыл бұрын

That's the thing, Greg. Conventional bikes are really at a high point in their evolution. E-bikes are just getting started

Love this vid I ride at dalby Forest all the time

Daaaamnnn. That rider just punched the e-bike into the ground on the first hill... Cheers to sheer human power.

Can't wait to get my first emtb, got to get the trekking ebike paid off first ;) oh well good things will come to those that wait haha

Grate video! I'm now sub'd

Of course it's not going to help where skill is needed... DOH!!! But you more then proved what these e-bikes are for! People who can't get out all the time, but want to enjoy the outdoors and mountain biking, they can do so with an E-Bike.

@fillfreakin2245

5 жыл бұрын

They can do it without an ebike. They just won't be going on the same level of difficulty trail.

@MotoAtheist

5 жыл бұрын

​@@fillfreakin2245 That's not necessarily true. There are a lot of out of shape people in this world. Just watch any ATV video. And there is a lot more trail out there not appropriate for beginner riders and that's all some people have access to on a regular basis. If these e-bikes are able to allow them to enjoy the outdoors, so be it.

@fillfreakin2245

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, there are a lot of out of shape people. They need to get in shape. They can pedal a non-motorized bike starting on gravel paths or roads, then move on to ever harder trails. E-bikes on single track trails will just lead to quicker erosion and destruction of those trails. And it ain't those out of shape riders that are volunteering their time to build the trails.

@MotoAtheist

5 жыл бұрын

@@fillfreakin2245 Totally disagree about quicker erosion and destruction! Legal e-bikes can't exceed 20mph using motor assist or throttle only. Not very many people can even ride anywhere near that fast on most mountain bike trails. They will ride pretty much exactly the same speeds that non e-bikes are ridden because that's what the trail and their own abilities dictate due to turns and curves, twists and turns, etc. Legal e-bikes also aren't setup for instant throttle response, they don't just launch from a dead stop, they kind of ease up to speed. So they won't be getting ridden like a full on dirt bike busting ass through trails leaving ruts and spitting dirt everywhere. Now, there is the issue of illegal e-bikes being ridden on trails, but that's another issue entirely.

@fillfreakin2245

5 жыл бұрын

Facepalm! This video PROVES ebikes can and will be ridden faster than regular mountain bikes. They will also be ridden more. While most people have all they can take after an hour or two, with an e-bike you could easily do twice as many laps as on a regular bike. E-bikes will also mean more brake bumps because riders will be coming in hotter more often, and will often be the less skilled riders that will brake more before turns, and the bikes weigh more so will lose traction easier. And yes, they provide considerable torque, they will wear out the up tracks too. E-bikes belong on the same trails as other motorized bikes. E-bike users don't like that? Let them build their own trails, and negotiate land use agreements.

Good video, just wondering how much both bikes cost in total including any add ons as you didn't do a price comparison.????? Would appreciate reply, many thanks.

...great watch that...well done Chris!..

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Topsey

@TopseyKretts

5 жыл бұрын

@Chris Smith ..cheers Chris..awesome dude!

@nexfel3855

5 жыл бұрын

@@embn Could you please post how much u comsupttion of the battery on the ebike for that loop ? Thanks

I'd love to see this comparison done with a more Apples to Apples bike -->>> Scott Spark vs S-Works Turbo Levo

HOw much battery did the E-bike use? Would you have been able to do 5 or 6 laps as in a World Cup?

@jevgeniardassov

5 жыл бұрын

4x6 is 24 miles on a 100 % load. I think the e-bike will barely make it.

@cyper89

5 жыл бұрын

What's your ebike if you don't mind me ask?

@elmundir

5 жыл бұрын

@@cyper89 for this range you need 350watt battery that's all the info you need

@GeekonaBike

5 жыл бұрын

@@cyper89 a Radpower cargobike, the Radwagon.

A motorbike is faster than a bicycle? Mind blown.

Another brilliant video well done Chris keep the fab videos coming🚴‍♂️💨👍🏼

Great vid Chris.

@embn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark 😀

@5492sparky

5 жыл бұрын

Electric Mountain Bike Network More of this Mate.

Good video but on competitions there cannot be ebike vs normal bikes. So many variables indeed to be able to compare these. It is personal preference also. And mostly you need skill to ride the trails (like you guys have). Ebike just gives more power but not more skills. Cheers

Ok so you guys went up against a pro mountain biker and won 👍 So how do you fancy going up against a pro bikejoring team ? Man and machine against Man and Dog ! I run Newnham Bark, we have several race dates this year , let me know if you guys fancy the challenge and see what we could arrange 😃👍

@UrbanFishing-MTB

Жыл бұрын

Whats a bikejoring?

@gcbsglobalcanicrossbikejor2162

Жыл бұрын

@@UrbanFishing-MTB look up GCBS on KZread 👍

The Spark RC 900 is a true dream bike of mine! Amazing specs, paint and carbon is a very good combination. Since it’s too expensive for me I’m just sticking with a Aspect 960 which is fine :/

Props to Ferguson for kicking ass with a carbon seatpost!

The skills of the pro definitely matter a lot

Excellent video! And Chris lost at least 20secs in those 2 mistakes. But still most of the people on e-bikes would lose to Grant, ordinary mortals cannot ride like Chris, you must have skill to go that fast on such course, and stamina

@Leo73rr

5 жыл бұрын

At last! Someone who realy saw the video!

You guys should swap bikes to see who's really faster!!

@MrBJPitt

5 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the whole video? 😄

@88vok

5 жыл бұрын

they need to compete on the DH track to find out who is really the fastest?))) ... not well ... in fact smacks of "old belief" ...?;))) ... we must admit that (each athlete is strong in his territory) ... And we still need to understand that - Electro enduro bike (it is much more versatile than СС bike) My personal opinion is the most versatile bike in the world (except for ... there are no exceptions)

@miliv3426

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrBJPitt yes, but they should make a whole video of it.

may have been different with the US version at 20mph? Two great riders 💪🏻

What a beauty!

De mais!!! Tezão !!! Show !!!

Lol the deer at 5:05

At the start when they were reviewing the riders they put "many, many beers" 😂

for all the haters out there: its not cheating...its another discipline. You wouldnt call out a moto-dirt-biker for cheating too or?? Be proud of yourself, that you can do the same trail or track without a motor! But why hating on other people?? Its not a competition if you start in different disciplies...

@grotevin

5 жыл бұрын

This!

He's only 25?! That's an advert for eating red meat and drinking beer if ever I saw one.

13:28 "machine can beat man" ? More like: "man+machine can beat man+skill". Which is also the reason why we're all going unemployed as the machines teek eer jeeebs... T_T

@ervinhasanaj9375

4 жыл бұрын

They took er jeebs

@ervinhasanaj9375

4 жыл бұрын

Still would rather have a ebike

@griffin2952

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine if he raced someone like nino schurter or Mathieu van der poel