There’s no greater form of disrespect than using the Outbreak Perfected to kill Eramis and her lieutenants.

@dekdenfor9770

3 жыл бұрын

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@Aelric78

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I did that.

@khostie

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I did that from the second one on

@MrTmb64

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get it

@Aelric78

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrTmb64 the Outbreak Perfected was the item Eramis wanted to steal, to adapt the SIVA nanites inside it to her purposes. By killing her with her own holy relic, you are rubbing salt in the metaphorical wound.

When I first defeated Eramis, and she freezes, the camera turns to face the pyramid. Granted I might be thinking too hard, but I think that meant the pyramid froze Eramis, almost as if to say, “not worthy.” Sort of revealing that whole “the darkness probably doesn’t have your best interest at heart.”

@sunshotwithanornament2475

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that could be true

@maxnovakovics2568

3 жыл бұрын

That was my interpretation as well. I literally said "you have been found wanting"

@Loderyod

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm pretty sure they just used her as a bait for us

@robert2german

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve always had that impression that Eramis was being set up as a literal stepping stone for us.

@lolosh99

3 жыл бұрын

Or its similar to what happened to Oryx and she now journeys in the deep (as stated in the empire hunt The Dark Priestess) and will emerge not as Oryx the Taken King but something else and i hope its glorious

The biggest thing for me was that you FINALLY meet the stranger again after forever, and she's just like "go use the darkness". And as the guardian we're just like "k". No questions about where she's been, why we should use it, why we need to use it, the dangers etcetera. It was literally just "k"

@sethgriffin5637

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree with this. I was originally thinking that there would be a point where Eramis had us so outmatched that we were practically forced into using the darkness. I think our biggest motivator to use it was because the Exo Stranger told us to and we needed to unlock doors.

@jensen_2261

3 жыл бұрын

The average guardian would be more hesitant I'm sure. But I can imagine just like everyone, fighting takes a toll. I imagine it more as we are soaked in so much blood of the darkness..that it doesn't even phase us anymore at impossible notions that the darkness may not be as simple and evil as it so seems. Plus we've been conditioning with the drifter for about two years now. I remember the poll said the majority of us sided with the drifter in the season of the drifter. However, to be fair..I wish there was some more reaction seen in our guardian rather than just our ghost. I certainly agree with you there that our attitude was very...lacking.

@kristopherday3542

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like the one time we were forced to use it was when we fought eramis but it was very lackluster seeing as we had used it already like three times..

@jonathonmartin8999

3 жыл бұрын

i agree and disagree in the sense that our guardian would have those questions but were also at the point were us as guardians are getting desperate with the darkness having showed what all it is capable of doing and being that had the traveler not struck out at the darkness we would have died or at least gone through another collapse so in my opinion we should have asked those questions but at the time we cant because of how dire things are in the destiny universe

@solid5502

3 жыл бұрын

This is how it was in COD Ghosts; the weak reaction from the sons after they find out their father was a Ghost after all these years of not seeing him lol

I have a feeling Cayde knew more than he was letting on. His terminal even suggests he knows Banshee-44's real name.

@Skooby59

3 жыл бұрын

Just saw this. Dumb question: what terminal?

@joelrobinson5457

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skooby59 same question

@Error-xk6we

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skooby59 Perhaps by "Terminal" he means Cayde's Death Caches. Cayde made a recording regarding anyone close to the Deep Stone Crypt and the birth of Exos. Cayde knows what Clovis Bray and his scientists did to create the Exos, and with the release of the Lament Exotic, we now know that Banshee is Clovis. And in Cayde's message to the Guardian, he states that caches or notes of Cayde's previous lives do exist. Meaning Cayde knows his past lives, and that means he would understand 8-ish lives. (Note: Each Exo reset can be more or less than a human life. They reset whenever they have defects such as remembering past life experiences or feelings. And I mean 8 lives by Cayde's human life, Cayde-1 to Cayde-6 as a regular Exo, and Cayde-6 as a Guardian.) Cayde could know even more secrets to the Crypt, than Clovis' closest scientists. And Cayde-6's last memory before turning into a Guardian could be him discovering Banshee-44's true name. Cayde holds a close relationship with Banshee, as seen with how Banshee crafted Ace of Spades for Cayde. Meaning Cayde keeps an eye on Banshee and his activities including his past life of Clovis Bray.

If we don't get a lore card about Dirfter, Elsie and Eris' camping trip shinanigans I'm going to be so mad

@ityabean

3 жыл бұрын

They deserve a series.

@billyhart5213

3 жыл бұрын

A comic book

@TheAsylumCat

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't even have to be hard lore just a look at how these 3 characters interact with each other

@silver07bolt

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please

@flawlix

3 жыл бұрын

Fireteam Weird Loners!

Mithrax was a great missed opportunity. We already knew that Eramis is basically his arch-enemy, yet we didn't get to see the Kell of Light facing against the Kell of Darkness. Yeah sure, Mithrax doesn't actually have any powers that could rival stasis, but the fact that there was no single interaction between the two of them really annoys me. I'm glad he was at least mentioned by Variks, but that's not enough.

@Loderyod

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's pretty wise decision of him to stay as low to the ground as he can

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

i’m very sure either next season or one of the beyond light seasons will have him. season 13 is around a year from when we last got a new ally with saint 14

@samontebanks410

3 жыл бұрын

The only way for Mithrax to get the light is to die and be reborn as a guardian

@Delta-es1lg

3 жыл бұрын

@@samontebanks410 Not quite, a ghost can choose a living being to be a guardian, as was the case with Shin Malphur

@mystic1360

3 жыл бұрын

@@Delta-es1lg yep

"NOOO GUARDIAN YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WEILDING THE DARKNESS!!!" "haha ice wall go pshhhhh."

Everybody: Agreeing with and disputing Byf's lore opinions Me: You can shoot the fallen ship's turrets off ??!

@jokerboy1997jm

3 жыл бұрын

Been like that since D1 days with the spider tanks you can shoot that missile launcher bit off

@christianmerchant6523

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it wasn’t in D2 for the longest time!

@Whimmerson

3 жыл бұрын

OMG same

@haydenmartin372

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerboy1997jm wait what

@jokerboy1997jm

3 жыл бұрын

@@haydenmartin372 yea on the spider tanks their missed launcher can be shot off only enabling them to use the big cannon or their mini machine guns as for the ships their turrets can also be shot off it has always been a thing since D1 days

The biggest disappointment for me was not seeing more of Elsie’s little floating fish thing.

@trevordillon1921

3 жыл бұрын

Fr. Destiny’s greatest mystery: What is the fish thing.

@fissilepear7805

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevordillon1921 it looks kinda like a ghost shell but since she’s not a guardian, it may be the darkness equivalent of one

@jebhank1620

3 жыл бұрын

Given how prominent it was in the cutscenes they really should have explained this thing more.

@duncanslaughter6208

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't even acknowledge it at all it was just there

@kylevanderwolf4446

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is that the fish is the benevolent uhhh...whatever the darkness version of a ghost is.

[insect-like chattering]

@camadin7335

3 жыл бұрын

this will be in the comments of every video on destiny 2 for the next year

@jayweber3022

3 жыл бұрын

@@camadin7335 indeed

@Brigadiraa

3 жыл бұрын

More like Ugandan knuckles - cluck cluck

@maxnovakovics2568

3 жыл бұрын

@@Brigadiraa we have lost de queen

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayweber3022 [zavala-like indeeding]

"Do you wanna know about the exo strangers dark timeline" hell yeah especially since according to her I even fell to corruption "Do you wanna here about saint sagira and osiris"..... Sure i love crying

@No_ones_home

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah...

Variks yelling at Eramis was a great moment.

@Daddy_Lazar1067

3 жыл бұрын

Me and my crew started cheering and chanting Variks name when ge started yelling

@taniksatthedisco6013

3 жыл бұрын

I think we can all agree that we need more angry Variks

@copperrankmain8930

3 жыл бұрын

Space Boomer yell at Space Karen in more accurate

@coffeethief7550

3 жыл бұрын

Varkis got me kinda hyped not gonna lie

@aves4311

3 жыл бұрын

This DLC made me love Variks and the Eliksni so much that I actually feel bad killing them now

I believe that Eramis' story isn't over... and even if it was, I believe the reason why she didn't 'hit as hard' is because WE GOT HER before she could actually focus her abilities. We deal with roughly around ten stasis wielders during the main story. We nipped the bud before it bloomed, so to speak.

@nickgotts7913

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I instantly thought that theres definitely a reason that she’s just sitting there frozen, maybe not dead- will be interesting to see where they go with it

@DeSanto127

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly was kind of lame that her fight ended up being an easier version of her lieutenants

@fishnutz5196

3 жыл бұрын

Well in the Dark Prietest mission the 1 lieutenant was saying shes alive she will be reborn. Plus before we killed Eramis she sent that guy to the crypt to "prepare the body"

@maxnovakovics2568

3 жыл бұрын

I'm convinced we still haven't seen the last of Fikrul the Fanatic. Unless his death dialogue is referring to the strike itself, I'm not sure if the strike is in the dreaming city cycle. Cause strike canon is weird.

@ofox716

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't over because we never actually killed her. She had roughly 10% of her health left when the cutscene hit and she froze. Meaning she is literally in a state of stasis while still living. Which also means its still possible for her to come back.

Say “first” and your next pvp match will be against all stasis warlocks They do be fixed tho

@mrmacju1530

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, I don't like it either, but that's just plain evil.

@matthewloiselle8430

3 жыл бұрын

First

@thefallenangel831

3 жыл бұрын

First

@ironlordman6140

3 жыл бұрын

First

@jayweber3022

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh

My biggest gripe is not with the campaign, but with the now playable story thread of this season. 🚨 Spoiler alert: Now in week two of the Season of the Hunt, we are summoned to the moon by Osiris who casually drops a massive bombshell; Sagira has been killed. Osiris is now ghostless which by itself should be crushing to his courage in the face of death but most baffling is that the characters (even Osiris) barely react to the revelation that she is dead. His companion through the dark age, whom was with him for centuries, before the city even existed. We find out she is dead and then nobody mentions it again. Osiris doesn’t even seem all that bothered by it. Destiny has a terrible habit of not treating ghosts like characters, even though we have seen, time and again that they are sentient beings. Zavala, Ikora and Cayde are some of the most well known characters and they all have ghosts in the lore but we never hear them speak in game. Cayde’s ghost was named Sundance but her character was never fleshed out and her death was really just a stepping stone for the writers to get to Cayde’s death. Another good example is Eris morning the deaths of her fireteam members but not of her ghost. We now have Crow’s ghost calling himself “Glint” but if the trend continues, I doubt he will be very important.

@Crushanator1

3 жыл бұрын

I love that Glint has more dialog than all the other ghosts except Sagira in Osiris. I'd love to see this continue too

@milomessing5611

3 жыл бұрын

My question is why is pulled pork calling himself glint

@KingOfHalla

3 жыл бұрын

@@milomessing5611 pulled pork was a nickname given by guardians wasnt it? or it might have to do with Spider's tinkering. what the fuck is OUR ghost's name.

@PrideOfPR7

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingOfHalla I call mine Pedro

@TheDarkkilla12

3 жыл бұрын

I’m hoping they use the whole ‘if I think about her death then that’s where I crack’ moment with Osiris. In that sort of way we get to see a vulnerable side of him besides just him dusting off her death like it was an inconvenience for him if anything. He basically lost his only true partner with him since his resurrection as a Guardian and with the years they’ve been together you’d think he’d take her death VERY hard.

Can't help feeling that a guardian coming back to the last city wielding Darkness and inviting others to do the same should've set off a civil war or something. That would've been intense.

"the exo stranger explains some things" Oh, now she has time to explain things...

@mihir2077

3 жыл бұрын

She even had time to give us her no time to explain

@Samuel_Loegan

3 жыл бұрын

And we waited for her to explain everything for 6 years? From Destiny 1 to Destiny 2 Beyond Light?

@PlebNC

3 жыл бұрын

@@mihir2077 The excuse or the gun or both?

@PlebNC

3 жыл бұрын

@@Samuel_Loegan For someone with literally all the time in the universe to frolic through, the exo stranger sure has a lack of it.

@Samuel_Loegan

3 жыл бұрын

@@PlebNC lol yeah :)

If you die during a communion it says "your salvation is ready" in grey text you can barely see

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

Okay that's pretty creepy

@mike-bi7ll

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my

@HockeyDudeGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerothelost9605 in the red war campaign there’s a cutscene where it shows a bird made out of light flying through the last city and emerging from water I haven’t seen it since it came out so I don’t remember exactly how it went but I think you can compare it to like those literature things called earth diver or something but I thought of that when you said how will we be baptized

@HockeyDudeGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerothelost9605 I just found the cutscene and it shows like statue people reaching out and then it pans to a bunch of the pyramids falling in the water, I’m not too smart so if someone wants to look at that cutscene and figure something out with it that would be cool

Did anyone else hear variks sing savathuns tune, he does in when you’re standing next to him?

@tythesoupguy3702

3 жыл бұрын

??

@cmpowell1587

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, I was shocked when I first heard it. Savathuns corruption is spreading

@Whimmerson

3 жыл бұрын

Oh NO! Not my boi Three-armed Fallen!

@equinoxruinouseffigy7856

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not tho. It’s the fallen empire theme

I'd love for you to cover the Osiris messages that he's been sending to Zavala's office along with the stories Bungie has published to their website. I feel a lot of people have missed these and as such are lacking context to the season of the hunt.

I haven’t watched the whole thing yet but I can tell you already touched on the main thing which is how the characters talk about how corrupting and scary the Darkness is and how your character is struggling with it AND SHOW ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS. I felt like I was taking crazy pills.

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

they don’t talk about it corrupting us because it doesn’t, so you are taking crazy pills. variks outright says that he can see we aren’t corrupted like eramis was and even though he disapproved, he realised that we could handle it. unfortunate that when bungie spells stuff out it still whizzes over people’s heads.

@alexbaer455

3 жыл бұрын

Its interesting, while it doesn't corrupt us, I think it will corrupt eris

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and then later your ghost even apologizes for how he's talked and I'm here like "I don't think you ever really were wrong.. " like our ghosts feels were the only evidence the dark had *any* corrupting influence

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

@@obi-wanpepproni3576 except that the stranger talks about how in her timeline even our character took the bait. And how it must be controlled. I mean we do control it but it doesn't ever even feel like there's any question about it at all

@maniacalcoast2742

3 жыл бұрын

You guys do realize that corruption could be incredibly subtle, right? For example when you die during communion, you’ll see a faint “something about salvation awaits” not a text ive seen yet, and there’s also the dark creeping in on our vision during times of like when we commune with who uses our ghost to speak. Just the settling of the darkness alone should be cause for concern, but yeah we can handle it... but for how long

Spoilers for lore books: The "Regarding Stasis" lore book is a series of letters written by Eris Morn. One letter, "To The Witch Queen," features Eris ranting, almost bloodthirstily about that, with Stasis, she thinks she can beat Savathûn, and that she is "her ruin." "The Dark Future" is a lore book following Elsie's alternate timeline. I've only skimmed through it, but what I read is that the Tower is gone, and Zavala has a beard and is in rags. Ana and Elsie try to get him to help them with tracking down the Witch Queen. Zavala responds that "Savathûn is merely a pawn. You want the real Witch. You want Eris Morn." In this alternate timeline, Eris was corrupted by the Unknown Artifact, and went mad. Perhaps this is the Arthas you were looking for.

@lamcb.9476

3 жыл бұрын

I mean wasn’t it hinted at that Eris would become a tragic martyr. That she would be mistaken for an enemy in her alternative and Darkness focused ways? It wasn’t in this season. It was earlier. I can’t remember what it was exactly. But I remember something along those lines

@sunshotwithanornament2475

3 жыл бұрын

Damn the most scary thing is the fact the blueberry got a beard

@jickzx

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunshotwithanornament2475 he also got his leg ripped off by savathun

@add8chicken

3 жыл бұрын

@TheSovietOnion l in the dark future drifter dies in clovis exoscience

@seb5542

3 жыл бұрын

Zavala is papa smurf confirmed.

hey so can anyone explain what happened to the stranger’s little “fish” in Beyond Light?

@rosie516

3 жыл бұрын

we ate it

@Yuki_Seraphim

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the "fish" is her ghost or equivalent of it but i don't have any information on the "fish"

@astronb6350

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosie516 canon

I have a theory about the Darkness and its supposed "dark stakes"--I'm guessing that, once enough guardians have 'turned' or accepted the dark powers of the Darkness, it will change from being a patronizing figure to a commanding, vindictive conqueror. By the time this change is enacted, it will have in its employ plenty of dark guardians to use when destroying the traveler and snuffing out the Light. . Just a thought!

@Litl_Skitl

3 жыл бұрын

That was sort of the brainwave I was having when Byf was talking about stasis not having consequences. Sorry for highjacking your comment, but I so hope that Bungie has the same idea as that I've just had. If the Darkness really wanted us to use stasis, it would try to make it appealing as possible. The mission of the Darkness seems be to destroy, or at least destroy everything the Traveller stands for. It seems like the plan is to first infiltrate and then destroy us from the inside out. If you would see stasis affecting someone in a bad way, it would show to others how dangerous it is, and a lot of people would be turned away by it. The vanguard is still sceptical and would definitely turn against stasis if anything would happen. The Darkness knows this and is aware that it should first have a bit of footing before it goes all crazy like (or at least I would fucking hope it’s that smart, for something that is basically an almighty being). To do that, the Darkness would need to make stasis the best thing that has ever happened to us since sliced bread. And that is exactly what it appears to be doing right now. During the communions, we got full power with almost no cooldowns and even when the campaign is done, I have the feeling that the stasis powers are way more available than my solar abilities (I often forget that the golden gun is a thing altogether because it feels like you must use it to its fullest capability, like a healing item that you end up never using). Variks, the drifter and Eris are already convinced, and if it keeps going well, more people will join in. After maybe a few weeks, maybe half a year, it might even be able to get to Zavalla or Ikora. Then at the moment everybody least expects it. Everything goes to shit. Imagine just strolling around somewhere, not even in a mission, and you just drop dead on the ground. Or imagine if the darkness suddenly took control of you like Byf said in the video. IMAGINE if Bungie arranged a live event with an innocent premise and suddenly the second collapse would happen out of nowhere, and we would be the sleeper agent that contribute to is. Just imagine. Little bonus thingy: I feel like the Darkness just used Eramis to get US to use stasis. As soon as we were able to use stasis properly Eramis got frozen, and I get the feeling she was just disposed of like we were in some kind of mafia film. The final shot with Eramis and the pyramid really reminded me of the crime series trope where a crook that has been the main villain for most of the season just gets capped by the guy they were working for. That one image just really sent a chill down my back and just made the pyramid more menacing than it already was. Hey. Maybe she isn’t dead and the pyramid is just holding her in cryostasis for a later moment.

@Uncleanwiener1231

3 жыл бұрын

Ok

I think there’s still more subtle “corruption” going on that Bungie is trying to lace into the story here and there. The biggest red flag for me is Exo Stranger saying “we are humanity’s salvation.” Ghost also starting brushing off how stasis could be impacting us. My hope is that we are being shown stasis through rose colored glasses on purpose. My head cannon is that the Darkness wants to beat the Light showing that it was wrong. To turn as much of its gifts against it. After all, the Darkness doesn’t give; it takes. It could also feed into a story of Savathun calling us “puppets.” The idea that, for all our power, we are just being crashed around by the powers she understands better than us. Fingers crossed.

@inktoxicant

3 жыл бұрын

I think Zavala asking us not to use Stasis at the end of the campaign is another hint at this. I have the same hopes, the "discover the secrets of Europa" section of the calendar goes until January. Hopefully we'll continue to get more signs of corruption, possibly linked to how much we use Stasis.

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

In the Dark Future Lore Book the Darkness at the heart of the Black Garden corrupted guardians creating so called Dark Guardians which after some time made the Traveller leave humanity, maybe the Darkness wants to give us its powers so the Traveller will leave us this way, because it thinks we are switching sides. That however is a direction we will very likely only gonna get to see close to or even in Lightfall

@Max-co1ql

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i had a weird feeling after she said 'we are humans salvation'

@runawaysmudger7181

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it's consequence free for now because it's still in the stage that the darkness is still trying to convince us that "our product is better" and "You can't even beat the bad guys with light but you can beat them with our power"

@yungillkidmz4227

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetectiveWarden what if instead of guardians being corrupted in the black garden. Cause exo stranger stopped that timeline it's created another timeline where guardians get corrupted by darkness still being that on Europa now.

I think the problem is there has *never* been a long lasting villain. we've always killed them in a strike, or a story mission, or a raid, there's never been a villain we couldn't beat. and that's a problem. there wasn't really a in-your-face, consistently appearing strong foe, I had hoped that Oyrx would have been that for us, having a mission where he suddenly shows up and you have to flee or narrowly escape with your life would have been what Destiny needed, and what its sequel lacks. there's no long-lasting prominent "this is the bad guy and there's no way in *hell* you can beat them regardless of your strength" type. What Bungie tends to do, is hype up a character, introduce it for a DLC, kill it off, rinse-repeat. and while it's fun short term, long term, it's not so great

@strangegreenthing

3 жыл бұрын

Savathun?

@Resonance000

3 жыл бұрын

@@strangegreenthing I would have to agree. Savathun has to be the most hyped villain in destiny, period

@xrstevenson

3 жыл бұрын

@@Resonance000 so much that it's honestly getting annoying, so much to the point where I just want her to die off screen

@Shade5

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh I prefer the current villain story arcs, we already have the darkness as the long lasting villain.

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

savathun has literally been described as impossible to beat as she’s smart enough to know not to fight us. i wonder how it’s going to work with her. xivu arath is also insanely strong

Bungie needs to hire you as a consultant. All of your ideas for the story sounded really good.

Byf: Would you like me to talk about [LIST OF LORE ENTRIES HERE]? Tell me which of them. The Community: Y E S

The one thing I like about Variks in Beyond Light is that we finally called him out about Cayde's death, and that he's still in hot water about it.

@professormemebrain1352

3 жыл бұрын

Caydes death was his own fault.

I would love to hear about the dark future, it's so interesting to me. Eramis lore is good too.

What would really interest me is: Is there any lore at all about what happened to calus and the leviathan?

@sentientmustache8360

3 жыл бұрын

They sorta skidaddled

@astronb6350

2 жыл бұрын

presage

my guardian not responding to any ones dialog: im just here for the shaved ice powers dude.......

Oh no we’re definitely seeing how corrupting darkness is. Have you not been in crucible lately lol

@nathansnape9614

3 жыл бұрын

was just in mayhem, can confirm

@dogsoldier123

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathansnape9614 I honestly feel sorry for the people still using any of the elemental light in mayhem right now

@Trocify225

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathansnape9614 you’re a brave soul I looked at that playlist and said nah. Only for challenges maybe

@Dardariel214

3 жыл бұрын

Bro I'm just tryna get my challenges done, this place is a warzone

@iamrazor9831

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathansnape9614 mayhem really makes me wonder how my old ass GPU can handle all the ice shattering all over everywhere all the time

Imo, there are a few missed opportunities in this expansion. Namely the Fallen in opposition to Eramis. Variks is called a Eliskni Rebel, and at one point we help some Eliskni escape Europa, but I wish we saw more of that. There could've been a mission where, when we set up that comms network, instead of the Darkness getting involved, we hear a voice on the comms speaking rapid Eliskni. Variks tells us it's a distress call from a group of Eliskni who defected from Eramis. And suddenly it turns into a rescue mission where we have to save 3 groups of Eliskni rebels. But what if when we find the 3rd group, we instead find that they've all been frozen, before Eramis steps out of the shadows and shattering them all with Stasis, revealing it was a trap. That would've been a better story mission instead of the awkward transition from helping Variks to following the Darkness and getting Stasis.

@woos479

3 жыл бұрын

wow this is way better that the mission

@politefrog4628

3 жыл бұрын

This is so good! Another thing I missed was Misraks... bungie lost a huge opportunity here to continue developing his character, but he is only rarely mentioned by Variks despite being the kell of house of light.

@elitegamer9310

3 жыл бұрын

@@politefrog4628 I do wish that Mithrax was more involved in this, but I understand why. It's not easy for a studio like Bungie to make Destiny content during this pandemic. My guess is that he will be the main character for the next season or so.

I agree for the most part, especially in regards to the Darkness feeling absent. All throughout the campaign, Ghost and all of the characters kept hounding me about how dangerous all of this was, but never once did we see any actual corruption. Even with Eramis herself, the closest we got was her hand sort of freezing over. However, nowhere in her story did I get the feeling she was actually being corrupt. But Ghost INSISTS that he's sorry for freaking out over this, but it comes across as overreacting. And then was very disappointed to see we got baited with the trailers, making it seem like Drifter and Eris had anything major to do with this. Don't get me wrong, I really liked the segments where we got to go back to camp and talk with them: THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO GOING FORWARD! However, they played little to no role in the story at all. So what was the point? Furthermore, one thing I couldn't help but be disappointed about was the breakneck pacing. And like any broken neck, the structure was so disjointed to boot. I am by no means overly nostalgic towards Destiny 1, and think people are insane for calling Taken King a masterpiece or "amazing"; it was just good, nothing more or less. However, I couldn't help but think back to just how well Taken King paced itself. Compare how the stories unfold in both campaigns... Taken King: Dreadnought shows up, and Mara's army gets obliterated (sets up the plot, sets up the stakes, and provides mystery as to what this threat is). We receive mysterious reports on Phobos and go to check it out. Upon arrival, we are greeted with a Cabal base in panic and ruin (this should unnerve us, the Cabal fear no one). We see Oryx firsthand and in person, and what he's capable of (reinforces stakes). After running in an exciting escape scene, we get some info on him. The rest from here are a series of missions JUST trying to set up an excursion that will succeed in infiltrating the Dreadnought. We approach the Dreadnought and the story treats it like a big deal, as it should. We finally make it on and finally set up a beacon to establish a beachhead in the Dreadnought (we overcome obstacles that, in universe, is a struggle, and not something just glossed over). We now have a mysterious ship to explore and have to gather information to try and find Oryx so we can take him down. When trying to control him, we are met with an obstacle that stops us from reaching him, which is Hive ascendancy (resets the stakes to show Oryx is no pushover , also provides another question of how we will overcome) Get sent to go collect essence of Crota (provides a unique stealth mission, establishes interesting lore on Hive burial rites,etc.) We can finally travel to Oryx and kill him before escaping to his Throne World. The story in Taken King feels complete and the characters inside it feel real. While I still think Cayde was not as developed as some hardcore fans claim (I still have no idea why people think Cayde dying was tear worthy, other than the fact the funny man died), i do believe he felt like an actual character in that expansion; a two dimensional, funny one, but a character nonetheless. It's certainly better than the one dimension Zavala and Ikora have to share between themselves when on screen. Beyond Light's campaign starts off well enough, but devolves into Forsaken-lite with us just killing off hardly interesting or developed lieutenants in order to get to the big bad. The story feels half as long as Taken King's, lacks the physical presence that Oryx would bring, and the stakes are just unclear or just not presented to us in a meaningful way. It would've been nice to see the extent of Eramis' powers beyond turning one person to ice, or seeing the extent of her army and potential danger. Instead we're just left with inferences. This is where my disagreements start though. The Stranger. While I appreciate the reveal of her being a Bray is pretty cool and we do get some solid development with her, I think you need to reevaluate the meaning of "nuance". The Anna and Elsie scene was so awkward. While I like that the Stranger was very distressed, there was nothing nuanced about it all, in fact, it was pretty on the nose what had happened. The worst part about it is I wish I could feel something for that scene but that requires two things that are missing: understanding/presence of the corruption of Darkness, which we already established was lack luster at best; and or ACTUAL development of Anna as a character. As it stands, what we've seen in game of her, is she's just... kinda peppy, I guess? She has about as much personality in-game as any Destiny NPC, which is to say not much. Oh, they certainly try and ham it up, but it's not genuine. Though this has been a bit of running hung with Bungie. Very rarely do they actually successfully develop a character, but for the most part fail in that. So when they have to focus the spotlight on one of these undeveloped characters, they then have to act like we have some kind of genuine attachment to them and play out a dramatic or emotional scene they didn't earn. That is what I feel like when I witness the lost sector between Anna and Elsie. I feel like Elsie is on the right track, but Anna hasn't earned it yet as a character for me to care about her. Getting back to my point, a nuance would be something underlying all of this. However, the exchange and conflict is pretty two-dimensional. That being said, that's not necessarily a bad thing on its own, but this scene isn't nuanced at all, nor do I even think it earned the emotional payoff they failed to even set up.

“I only wish they’d gone with Matt Mercer for the voice” Ah i see you are a fellow man of culture

@Zevox144

3 жыл бұрын

I've always preferred the exo voice from all the male guardians, so I'm personally fine with the change there, but I miss Grey Griffin's voice as awoken female.

@Stenbox

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zevox144 I am also fortunately exo male as it is, but yeah, I've always had a man-crush on that voice. All the way back to 2014 and "No, Little Light"

I was kinda bummed we didn’t get to see that little floaty thing around the exo stranger more. All we got was that cut scene then it disappeared

I still have hope for Eramis though, the raid is coming, and she told Atraks to "prepare the body" in the Crypt Fallen Exo Eramis raid boss coming? If it does come, hopefully they can redeem her as a villain, give her more time to shine

@archivesEris

3 жыл бұрын

I mean Kridis believed she's ”meditating” and metamorphosing and will be as a god when she emerges from her Stasis prison. I would love to see an Eramis Reborn of some kind later on

@fishnutz5196

3 жыл бұрын

I too wonder what she was referring to when she told him to prepare the body

@sunshotwithanornament2475

3 жыл бұрын

@@fishnutz5196 I saw a leak but who knows if it’s real you’ll either be disappointed or fine with it if true

@fishnutz5196

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunshotwithanornament2475 ill be happy with whatever man. Could you link me this leak?

@decky2610

3 жыл бұрын

One of the cutscenes shows taniks the scarred, meaning taniks is probs the “body”

The whole of Destiny is like the scene where the ghost revives us first. He always reminds of how much we are in danger of being hunted by Eliksni, but if we just walk around outside the wall nothing is really hapeing. We wouldn't have to fight anything at all, if we stayed outside of that damn wall forever!

Honestly on the point of "The Darkness not Feeling Corruptive", the thing is, would that be fun mechanically? Would you in a raid want to have the risk of your Stasis Subclass causing adverse effects to your play experience? I wouldn't. And I do think they are building up to the risks of the Darkness as a slow-burn thing, as we get more and more used to it, it will likely become easier for the Darkness (The Entity/Deity) to manipulate and turn people to their side. Heck, that could be the plot of Lightfall, the Darkness could've already won, and we were the sleeper agents.

@carloss.6250

Жыл бұрын

The accuracy on this

@Alovon

Жыл бұрын

@@carloss.6250 In some respects, yes (The Guardian's struggles with Strand), and in others not-quite, but ironically sort of? (The Witness using Ghost to succeed at its goal) But to be fair, this was an idea forged off of the OG Plan we had at the time (The FInal Shape didn't exist yet, and that is what the OG Lightfall would've been in all likelihood)

I personally want to know what that fish creature was next to the stranger?

@Nero_PR

3 жыл бұрын

It's Maya Sundaresh, the Vex AI.

@mrandursun

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nero_PR for real? Is that in one of the lore books or something?

@Phoenix-dx5ws

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nero_PR what vex ai?

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

@@Phoenix-dx5ws it's from the journal of Clovis bray. Basically the vex have imitated maya sundaresh and injected her into Clovis bray when he was in europa doing the exo stuff

@Nero_PR

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrandursun Not really, just my wild speculation since the Maya Sundaresh that we know from Ishtar collective is not really her in all the Lore passages where she is mentioned. As previously stated by the comment above, it's implied that after the Ishtar Collective incident the Vex scanned Maya multiple times and ran numerous simulations of her and implanted this Maya Vex AI in the Clovis Bray facilities, deceiving even Clovis Bray himself.

Why would the Darkness need to do much talking and manipulation? It's already getting exactly what it wants with us. I'd say Eramis was only reached out to as a candidate for Stasis because the Darkness knew we'd arrive to take out a prime target and become empowered by Stasis. Also why the Cruxes are always at the boss fight locations already. THAT'S the mark of a good villain: they don't draw attention to or put a focus on events and actions that are moving their goals forward. The Darkness being relatively quiet is actually more unsettling to me than them actively doing stuff. It means (they think) they're winning and they don't have to do anything to change that. The game itself is reinforcing that. Having a maniacally-laughing, mustache-twirling Ghost would be such a letdown, man. Please don't suggest that again. Right now, it feels like we're in that persistent dead silence that follows when the main character of a TV show dies from a gunshot fired by another main character. Something terrible has obviously happened but none of the participants have overcome the emotional trauma enough to speak. It could also have those sinister connotations. So no, I actually think that the silence from the Darkness is perfectly sufficient for this point in the narrative. I'm looking for Lightfall to really start addressing those "is the Darkness evil" questions in full like you suggested.

@mattspychala7251

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, that's why the darkness betrays her and kills her with her own Stasis at the end of the mission. Eramis was just a pawn to be sacrificed in order to get the Guardians Stasis powers. I imagine that the Exo stranger in her continuous cycles in the fall of the light, knows that the light has been checkmated here, if the Guardians do not aquire Stasis Eramis uses it to wipe out humanity, however if the Guardians acquire it they become corrupted. So she keeps recycling the timelines until she figures out how to balance the two situations.

I will say that the videos on Byf’s channel are some of the only videos I watch until the last second. I love the theme music!!!!

Byf, all of those suggestions are awesome. How about the Elsie background that you mention! Thanks again for signing my Ghost at E3 a few years ago. I treasure that moment I got to meet you in person.

See, I would say Eramis is one of the better villains we've had because of the conversations with Variks. Yes she wasn't Oryx and hasn't had as much background actives like Savathun but that's fine, there doesn't need to be all these big villains moving things in the background. Eramis actually is a great example of falling as Variks begs her to not go through with opening the Glassway or comments on how she's changed. She's not the Big Bad, she's us if we tread too far and become another Dreghen. The one thing I really think should be highlighted is the world feeling more alive. Yes, there could be more dialogue between characters but we're seeing far more than before. We have the Stranger talking to Ana, the reports from Zavalas' office from both Osiris and Mara Sov. The lost sectors actually been used for more lore development. The interactions of the Spider and him talking about the Crow (if you're sad about Sagira, wait till you hear whats happening with Pulled Pork.). We're actually seeing these events in game and the seeds are finally sprouting. Yes, the corruption with the Darkness could be shown off a bit but it gets to a point of how does it get implemented. There is a point where things have to diverge if you want to please both sides. Will we potentially see a Dark Tower get formed? Will we see the likes of the Stranger and the Drifter form their own place that taps into the Vanguard comms? There's no easy way around it, especially to please people who want to walk the grey line and those who want to stay in the Light.

@marcuslee698

3 жыл бұрын

No

Gotta disagree on one point: I don't think "Darkness corrupts" is a particularly nuanced story beat, nor do I think it's what Bungie intends. Remember, the Darkness said it would never do something so crude as to reach out and place its mark on us, and it would never have done for us what the Traveler did. It doesn't do direct influence. It never has. The Darkness is a philosophy, an argument for that final, perfect shape. It stated its goal clear as day in Unveiling - "You are the gardener's final argument. It would mean everything if I could convince you that I am the right and only way." The Darkness isn't trying to corrupt is - it's trying to *convince* us. It's betting that given the choice between a shield or a sword, we will go for the sword, and do as sword-wielders do, so it gives us a taste in the Cruxes, and we only truly get to keep it when we kill Eramis for it. When we stake our claim to existence. When we do exactly what it wants us to do. Eramis embraced the Darkness out of obsession and temptation. She wasn't 'corrupted' in any meaningful sense of the word, and this whole idea of "Darkness/Corrupted Guardians" seems to fly in the face of everything we've learned about the Darkness up to this point.

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

Your entire theory gets disproven by listening to Elsies lines and reading the Dark Future lore book, in Elsies timeline Dark Guardians are born by the corruption of the Heart in the Black Garden

@trevordillon1921

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetectiveWarden Yes, but not because the darkness chose to corrupt them. The darkness gave them power, and power unchecked corrupts.

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevordillon1921 Elsie literally killed her sister because she got corrupted, also why didn’t almost everyone who became a guardian corrupt? If the power is what corrupts them why aren’t there a lot more lightbearers who corrupted? Why did the Traveller literally leave humanity and not when the power of light corrupted humans? Why does Elsie always specifically mention how the Darkness draws on her? Your theory doesn’t add up to the overwhelming majority of evidence we have that it can actually corrupt.

@trevordillon1921

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetectiveWarden I said unchecked power corrupts. You keep your power in check, have restraint, and you can control it. The key word is control.

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevordillon1921 And without proper training the darkness will corrupt you, it’s the entire reason Elsie is helping us with stasis. It keeps sounding like you ignore the facts.

an interesting thought after just hearing the phrase about darkness having the tendency to corrupt, wouldn’t you say that the light has just as much of a tendency to corrupt? The warlords are a great example of the power corrupting but also leaving the fallen is what you could argue to have corrupted them to their fallen state. Gaul probably would’ve just been a fine leader if he wasn’t corrupted by his obsession for the light. Another thought is that the light could be indirectly responsible for corrupting anything it interacts with by leading the darkness to it. Just by how many enemy types we have, its easy to think that the darkness corrupts more often but that seems like it could just be due to the fact that the sword logic is by nature, simpler and more accessible than the bomb logic. If humans weren’t first tempted by the wonders of the bomb logic, it would only be a matter of time before they embraced the sword logic. Hell, just one logic isn’t enough for anyone seeking power, every faction in the forces of darkness constantly seek the power of the light and even some of the first arisen from the traveler sought after the darkness as guardians continue to do today

I'm just so hyped for whenever you finally make a Clovis Bray video

This expansion feels like a part 1. Maybe a part one to a 3 expansion story leading to lightfall. Or a story built and delivers through the raid or seasonal content. Very excited for what’s to come. Roll on the Deep Stone Crypt

@archivesEris

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm thinking. I think with Beyond Light as our first foray into wielding Dark power, we just got a lot of warnings, warnings we can really brush aside because we think ”nah, hasn't affected us much.” But hopefully as we near Witch Queen and later Lightfall, we may actually see the corrupting force of wielding the Darkness’s gifts

@GD1_3

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I think it was dipping our toes in before shit gets real

@fieldrook1613

3 жыл бұрын

I think luke smith said that this was part 1 of an overarching story of the darkness winning, and this part is not over yet.

Byf, the mask of bakrys talks about a "fallen exo" mind going into more detail about that?

@okruma625

3 жыл бұрын

Deep Stone Crypt.

@alexbaer455

3 жыл бұрын

Eramis mentions an exo body during the campaign too right?

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@F4NT4SM4DW Not exactly, read the lore from the Mask of Bakris, the new hunter exotic. That Exo is called Atraks-1, Fallen Exo Taniks has the title the abomination making him Taniks, the Abomination so I’m guessing they’ve definitely done something different than turning him into an Exo

@MegaCazzam

3 жыл бұрын

Where do you find the info on exo taniks?

@igraviks7899

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetectiveWarden there’s also a cutscene with eramis standing side by side with phylaks, praksis, atraks, kridis, and taniks. it’s the cutscene with variks talking about fallen backstory and he’s only there for one scene.

I would personally love to hear more about the dark future with eris and Ana and elsies involvement in all of it

byf been a viewer since vanilla d1 and can't get enough of your videos, id love to see more lore and more information about the Eyes of Tommorrow rocket launcher from the raid considering the lore tab is quite short , for such an .... interesting gun.

I like to think we just help variks deal with his ex.

@kyoza5069

3 жыл бұрын

Eramis is one shitty ex, then.

@Lctl10

3 жыл бұрын

End relationship, yessssss? Or Alimony...

Isn't Eramis' story still unfolding? The whole "ready the body" thing and Krisis saying she will basically come back stronger somehow

@thefunny1800

3 жыл бұрын

Spoilers for the raid (datamined info) The body isn’t for Eramis as she isn’t a raid boss, the raid bosses are that one fallen but as an exo (Atraks-1), and Taniks

@Ricksanchez-rp6xm

3 жыл бұрын

@@thefunny1800 it’s not datamined...it’s literally the raid triumphs telling us what the bosses are

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ricksanchez-rp6xm Which we can only see because sites like light.gg extract files from Bungies API for Destiny, so yes data mined kind of at least

@Ricksanchez-rp6xm

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetectiveWarden no as in go to the game and look at the seal

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ricksanchez-rp6xm Literally all DSC triumphs are still classified, I have them open right now and the Raid Seal isn’t even available to look at yet

9:46 I feel like a lot of people don’t realize how big a deal it is that eramis would freeze and shatter a servitor. When the guardian mentions how quiet the ghost is it reminded me of callus’ predictions in the chronicon.

I think the actual temptation that the Darkness has shown through this expansion is that real life players are enjoying Stasis so much that they have forgotten that the Light subclasses existed. Many of other players don't but in my Discord community, this has happened. :

A good corruptive element could’ve been our body slowly adding cosmetic ice onto your player character that maybe the more ice you have on you. Kinda like how Erimis was slowly turning to ice, maybe we suffer the same, like maybe were slowly turning to ice “cosmetically”

The morally grey side of light and dark plot point has not been dropped, it's still developing. In beyond light, we are wielding darkness freely with no consequence...yet. Why would the darkness show their hand right away? The drifter is having a blast watching us use it, Exo stranger is warning us about it, we just haven't seen the repercussions yet because right now we are simply enjoying this gift. Beyond light is essentially the embodiment of the phrase "this isn't so bad" before it all falls apart. To say that the dark and light, the good and bad of both, plot point has been dropped is really jumping to conclusions. Why do you think there is an expansion called light fall? The darkness is just getting started, the board is being set, and Exo stranger has given us the warnings from another timeline. Beyond light is simply that, beyond what we've been using in the game for years, I'm guessing we will start seeing the downsides to wielding darkness soon, Destiny has always been about the slow build. Then we will have to choose a side like we did with the drifter and the vanguard. That was only a test for Bungie and I think it's all going to come to a head in a massive way. Your videos are excellent Byf, just my first time disagreeing with you.

@josiahgarber3761

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think that, while the warning against corruption could've been stronger, the whole point of the campaign here is to give us triumphant new powers after several years of loss. It's the first part of the Era of Darkness. As such, it makes sense that the Darkness giving us great powers would be framed mostly as a power fantasy. It's supposed to make you more comfortable with it, but with two key footnotes. First, it is very dangerous, and second, it's to show that darkness comes from within. i.e., evil comes from a within a person, and it must be fought against and the strength that things like anger and sorrow give should be embraced and used in a good way.

@jerryjezzaberry5009

3 жыл бұрын

@@josiahgarber3761 really reminds me of "for evil to triumph all that must be done is for good men to do nothing" without good to struggle and push the evil within us all back what is there but for evil to win ?

@mowermen1762

3 жыл бұрын

Wow I enjoyed reading this comment

@yugijak

3 жыл бұрын

Such an excellent point. This is turning into a really good story and, dare I say, may rival or even dethrone WoW if it continues to improve

@john_mystery

3 жыл бұрын

If having the darkness is going to be so integral to future expansions, what of us who play for free that do not have access to it?

Just an appreciation comment for you Byf. We will never grow weary of your voice and the knowledge you bless us with. Thank you for everything you do man.

i want you to talk about everything u mentioned at the end. I find these videos to be so entertaining since i don't have time to play through the game go through every little detail.

My favorite part about varikis was near the final part of the last mission, where erimas keeps calling him a cowered, so his voice gets much deeper and far more angery, where he starts shouting. It’s shows the other side of varikis, one I want to see a lot more of.

To be honest Byf, I'd never expect Palpatine-like maniacal laughter from the Darkness. It is not that brand of evil.

@mystic1360

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with you on that

@Caliif

3 жыл бұрын

It would be more like "here take our gift, with it you will rise above all who stay in the light. Come show it to those who want to stop you." Then the enemies spawn

The fact that Variks has an exclusive voiceline for Flame Hunters asking 'Do you do knife tricks at parties?' carried the whole expansion for me

Loredaddy please give us all the lore interested in all you do such a fantastic job of condensing the vast lore into digestible and thought provoking content cos me and many others were not gonna know anything otherwise.

To me it felt like the entire campaign and most of beyond light was just an advertisement for stasis. We got teased with the darkness and eramis and it feels like they were both just used to say "hey look at the cool new ice powers" even the exo stranger feels like a bit of a device to show off the new abilities. Maybe that will change as they release more but so far that is what it has felt like to me.

I might be so wrong but one of the things that i kinda liked was the feeling that darkness didn't affect us negatively cuz it makes that doubt that really is darkness bad? It's helping us tho. I would've liked the corruption aswell but i like this way as well that the darkness isn't appearing dark.

Wow 800k subs now I remember being subbed to you when you didn't have many I'm so happy you made it!!

Okay, but our Ghost doing a Drifter impression is both hilarious and a great little character moment. He's a tiny floating dork, and I love him!

I didn't find Eramis' story that compelling either. But I think that's okay, because to me, she wasn't truly the main villain of the expansion. Yes, she is the threat directly in front of us that we are trying to stop. But I feel like she fills more of the role of the Fanatic, than of Uldren Sov or Riven. The true villain of the expansion is the Darkness itself, which can be easily found by reading the lore tabs on the Europa items, the lore-books, and the rest. There is more lore in this expansion directly showing the misery Darkness brings on people we care about that at any point in Destiny prior. We get a great animation showing The Whirlwind. We learn Elsie Bray's tragic story of trying to stop the Darkness, in timeline after timeline. Eramis is using darkness, but more importantly, she is being used BY darkness. The true story of Beyond light isn't about Eramis vs the Guardians, but about the inner-struggle of Guardians against the darkness itself. The challenge of using the power of Darkness without succumbing to its will. Just because Eramis is on the cover doesn't mean she's the main villain. She's just the only one we can shoot. At face value, the Darkness is helping us, but the reality when you dig a little deeper is that the fight against the darkness is the TRUE story of Beyond light.

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

The lore books and lore of new items truly is on another level this expansion and season, my favorite so far

It seems that this isnt the end of her story tho. In one of the later cutscenes she tells one of the Elites (I think it was Praksis?) to "go to the crypt and prepare the body". And given the fact that it's never stated that Eramis died in that final cutscene, we could be facing her as an exo in the raid, but who knows.

@probablyonline2020

3 жыл бұрын

There’s just one thing. She said that after we killed praksis. I think she said it to the guy with the fur

@ghostlypenguin4417

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct. She tells that to Atraks-1. Yes by the way, he IS an exo fallen. Check the Mask of Bakris lore card. So an exo Eramis is definitely on the table

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

it’s actually stated that she isn’t dead

@set4177

3 жыл бұрын

Taniks is the body they send atraks after, it's in the triumphs

@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv

3 жыл бұрын

@@set4177 Taniks may not have a house, but at least he has a body now

About the voice acting thing, yeah. I was really surprised how "non-exo" my exo character sounded, especially after hearing her talk in Forsaken and Shadowkeep. They might have used the exact same audio files for both male and female character voices, without even putting a filter over them to make exo characters sound more robotic like they have in the past.

I like the idea of learning about the other darker timelines as well as the potential to see ourselves in that timeline. Overall, love these videos!

The sad thing is, that the scenario you painted up about us going to the alternate future was probably the original idea. It was just too much the sad sized bungie could have taken on.

@GamingWithDredgenFelix

3 жыл бұрын

or we haven't been corrupted enough by the Darkness for such an intervention.

@lordzorddan8971

3 жыл бұрын

@@GamingWithDredgenFelix or that, yes

The Forsaken and Shadowkeep campaigns had some strong memorable moments, like Cayde's death and our subsequent revenge, or discovering the Luna Pyramid. Nothing in Beyond Light really hits that hard. It is fair to say this game was made under extenuating circumstances tho.

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

this was far better than shadowfiller, the discovery of the pyramid was just “wow” for a few seconds and then nothing for almost a year.

@davidrafael1769

3 жыл бұрын

shadowkeep was the worst dlc story for me

@sunshotwithanornament2475

3 жыл бұрын

I really liked beyond lights campaign but it does have flaws it some how ended up being my second favorite campaign

@dogsoldier123

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say that stasis was that memorable moment since rn it's so ridiculously powerful

@DetectiveWarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@dogsoldier123 If you’re a Warlock that is xD

Dark timeline honestly sounds like the most interesting to me! I'd love to hear more of it!

I would like to see cinematics of the "dark future" lorebook with the stranger narrating it

the way our ghost kept nagging at us for using stasis i believe a cutscene of us aggressively responding to his criticism would have effectively showed us the problem with darkness powers obviously ending with us apologising in an almost scared and conflicted way

@HollowMux

3 жыл бұрын

Stasis =/= symbiote from spiderman

@gatorwarrior7557

3 жыл бұрын

I wanna see my guardian walk around the tower pointing and snapping his fingers everywhere

@shaymclaughlin5258

3 жыл бұрын

@@gatorwarrior7557 jazz playing in the background

That Dark Timeline needs to be covered ASAP. I couldn’t wait until I collected all the entries so I read it on Ishtar and it is absolutely incredible. Definitely my #1 thing I wanna see covered very soon and my heart leapt when you mentioned it.

I know it takes time, but I absolutely love the long lore videos explaining everything that I would have never seen before. You’ve truly opened my eyes to destiny and keep me tied to the game. I would love to see a video explaining all of the expansions in chronological order, really giving the viewer an overall glimpse into how destiny 2 has formed the in game society and how beyond light influences the lore.

I’m really excited for you to get into the Deep Stone Crypt, and hope you’re planning that soon. Can’t wait!

All the Destiny bosses we fight in the main campaigns are throwaways. For christ sake, Forsaken's campaign ended fighting a giant taken meatball. The real true evil villain is only ever revealed in the raid.

@jaffarebellion292

3 жыл бұрын

Oryx had a pretty good fight in the campaign.

@mrandursun

3 жыл бұрын

not true. D1 campaign had the black heart as the boss of the campaign, and then some random vex for the raid. You fought oryx in the campaign of ttk. RoI had the campaign boss be the IRON FUCKING LORDS while the raid boss was just some previously unknown fallen. Same thing with Shadow keep to a lesser extent, and happening again big time in BL with Eramis

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrandursun tbh I think anything that is gonna be the final boss of the raid is gonna be better than eriamis

@mrandursun

3 жыл бұрын

@@HoneyDoll894 spoilers, but the raid boss is absolutely not better than Eramis from at least a lore perspective

@mrandursun

3 жыл бұрын

@Cheese Boi spoilers obviously but it's Taniks

'Forces us to fight the dark version of ourselves' *shivers* 😳 that would have been niiiice

@obi-wanpepproni3576

3 жыл бұрын

i don’t think we’re ever going to fight a human-sized boss, it’s hard to make that epic without it being an cutscene

@jakejohnson718

3 жыл бұрын

@@obi-wanpepproni3576 say that to every soulsborne game ever

The Dark Future book was fascinating to me. To see (read) about how bad things could be kind of gives perspective to what we're fighting for now. That, and the identity reveal of a certain Exo (no spoilers but if you know, you know) are some solid world building

I could listen to destiny lore from byf all day long. Also would love to see u become a writer for just about any game

I’m fairly certain that Shin Malphur is voiced by Crispin Freeman, not Matt Mercer

If you go to tower , there is no new npc talks, phrasing, everyone is the same, crow doesn't talk anything in spiders cave when collecting stuff, bounty's and such, it just doesn't tell beyond light , only in Europe you get the feel for change

@elitegamer9310

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I wish there was some world building there. Have the citizens talk about the Pyramids, NPCs like Zavala and Shaxx talk about what they think of Stasis. The only new thing I hear is Drifter saying "see you on Europa".

@DestinyHunter

3 жыл бұрын

there is dialogue with zavala. once you finish the variks quest, he orders you to not use stasis anymore.

@elitegamer9310

3 жыл бұрын

@@DestinyHunter I meant like when you're just standing around. Also, he says that but there's no consequences for using it.

@user-cb1zb4no6m

3 жыл бұрын

At least you get something from Saint-14

It's hard to feel like you are wielding darkness when it's just purple frozen water.

@mosley3485

3 жыл бұрын

Yet you have no problem feeling like you're wielding the light when it's just blue electricity, fire or purple goo, apparently. This seems like a really weird complaint. It isn't a pure "darkness" subclass because they clearly want there to be multiple darkness subclasses...

@donovanm5128

3 жыл бұрын

@@mosley3485 Exactly, we never wield pure light.

@astronb6350

2 жыл бұрын

@@mosley3485 agreed

You know they say hindsight 20/20 and then a few years from now looking back I really feel like you're going to have a profound impact on this game and how they tell the story this kind of content is only going to make bungie's content better and that's fucking beautiful well done byf

I would like to know where is Elsie's exo-goldfish?

@HoneyDoll894

3 жыл бұрын

It was big thing in the trailers and we saw it in one cutscene and then.. just gone

@coffeethief7550

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Agreed - Eramis needed to have more impact on the game before the DLC. Fallen raiding parties appearing in different locations live Xivu Arath in the Dreaming City, more mentions, even name dropping her and implying her influence more. She just felt very static, like another stepping stone for us on our way to the Hive Gods again

@zekxtan7246

3 жыл бұрын

The only reason I can see for the darkness not corrupting us at all is the Darkness is trying to lure us deeper with its gift. Maybe it understands our specific importance and wants to draw us deeper into its grasp before it takes hold

14:10 or a cutscene where we are embracing the darkness, and nearly attempt to kill our ghost before coming back to our senses.

Please cover icefall mantle it’s so interesting and I’ve been trying to figure out it’s meaning that fact that Clovis managed to fit stasis into arms and have it form the hardest form of ice that’s currently known it’s amazing

I was team Darkness until BL droped, read lore and heared Ghosts, Varixes and Elsies dialogue.

I want you to do Elsie's dark timeline. I am curently reading it as I unlock and I am loving the story and it's implications.

I definitely would love to see a video discussing Saint, Sagira and Osiris. They're some of the best lore related characters who aren't Hive based, and Osiris' explorations of the system post Dark Vanishing of our planets seems like it could lead very interesting places once we examine it.

I think that going into the story of the stranger's timelines would be awesome. It would give a lot of context as to why she's here, and then relating it back to her involvement with us in Destiny 1 would be really cool as well.

They can easily do a voice for each race with only one actor, just add some elements and slight effects to the recordings to turn the same voice lines into Exo and Awoken, you can add some mechanical/robotic effects to the Exo voice, and some ethereal/slight reverbs in the Awoken voice.

@Sorain1

3 жыл бұрын

That does honestly seem like the way they ought to handle it. It's not great, but it's at least a nod to the race situation.

the story and eramis lacked build up. even in the final mission it almost felt like i just stumbled upon her

Yeah, thinking back on it, "You're quiet today" is a fucking hilariously great line

More of Osiris & Saint - 14 please. I love these 2 characters and their history.