Politicians are terrible people

@FAITHandLOGIC

2 ай бұрын

They are. Isn't it crazy how people gather by the thousands to hold up signs with their names on it as if they're some kind of saviors? Makes me sick.

@patrickhamos2987

2 ай бұрын

this is a fact. I know people who were regular, good people their whole life, then they went into politics, and now they do a lot of gross behaviors. they are necessarily terrible people

@gavinsheridan4680

2 ай бұрын

Broad sweeping generalizations are dangerous and impossible to prove.

@ericjaysmusicpromotion957

2 ай бұрын

for sure he padded his wallet with his flip flop, he is pathetic for sure

@Chris-cc4vy

2 ай бұрын

​@@gavinsheridan4680 Obviously you cant prove each and every single politician is a terrible person. That'd be impossible. But at a certain level of politics you're basically guaranteed to either take part in, witness, or look the other way when it comes to immoral, unethical and possibly criminal behavior at some point in your career. To state otherwise is naivety and ignorance of the highest level. This politician is a POS who is only saying something now to save face. He does not and never cared about the Coyotes, the fans, or the community that cares/supports the team. He only cares about his public perception and career.

27 years ago today, our beloved HARTFORD WHALERS played their final game in Connecticut. We send out our deepest condolences to the fans of the Arizona Coyotes. Losing your team is beyond gut wrenching and heartbreaking. We understand.

Imagine being the guy who made Gary Bettman of all people say "screw it."

Trying to save his job after the hammer fell.

@MarkBonneaux

2 ай бұрын

I bet you someone on the city council in Scottsdale went "hey moron, this is going to bring the city a bunch of money and you just told them to fuck off"

To error is human. But to really screw things up, takes a politician.

The Scottsdale mayor will now be the scapegoat of all this mess. There is no turning back now.

@thestormofwar

2 ай бұрын

Not likely.

@splashnskillz37

2 ай бұрын

@@thestormofwar Oh it will, cuz Muerelo had this plan to build the arena and the mayor's comment caused the whole relocation to happen

@thedukeparty

2 ай бұрын

@@splashnskillz37that’s absolutely untrue. But that’s definitely how a lot of people will try to spin it

@CubeInspector

2 ай бұрын

He was always going to be the scapegoat. The league wanted them out of Arizona, this is evidenced by how quick the league has moved on this. I'd bet that mayor got a sizeable deposit in an offshore account to go out and say it.

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

Not really

The bait and switch (a reverse one in this case) is a politician’s bread and butter. Not surprised.

The horses are out of the barn now. Even if he did clarify his remarks, the bell can never be unrung.

@stephenphillips6245

2 ай бұрын

The Yotes owner is getting 1 billion from the league and a promised expansion team within 5yrs, so a Phoenix team will happen again.

@michaelleroy9281

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenphillips6245 no expansion, 32 teams is enough

@stephenphillips6245

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelleroy9281 Totally agree with you , in fact, I think 32 is too many. Bettman has used expansion as a way of juicing revenues doesn't mean it is healthy for the game.

The Mayor just realized how many jobs leave with the Coyotes, along with any associated entertainment revenue. Despite their lack of *parity with other NHL profits, many local jobs are about to be severely impacted; bars, stores, restaurants, drivers, hotels, local media, etc, as well as the loss of additional philanthropy that comes with local sports teams.

@CubeInspector

2 ай бұрын

Not just sports teams but hockey teams specifically are huge with giving to their community the players not just the team who wants to buy good grace with the people, especially if they're one of the faces of the franchise. There's a lot of downstream from this

@grishyroy9271

2 ай бұрын

Plus, the coyotes support a significant amount of youth hockey.

@Ryan-yi5ro

2 ай бұрын

*parity but the whole situation is a joke.

@randomguy5704

2 ай бұрын

Virtually all the players, coaches, and other high-level staff live in Scottsdale. Ortega chased them all out of town. There will be lots of high-end homes for sale all of a sudden.

@Ryan-yi5ro

2 ай бұрын

@@randomguy5704 The entire state will be out of water soon anyways.

... Well that mayor kinda screwed things up huh.

@notNajimi

2 ай бұрын

Scottsdale mayor: “hey, you’re not welcome!” Coyotes: “okay I guess we’ll pack it up then” Mayor: “wait wait no”

This feels like a political back track from the Mayor of Scottsdale since the city of Scottsdale is having elections for mayor this year. After looking it up

Is it an election year? I bet he got alot of angry mail about his statements on Monday.

The announcement that the Coyotes could be moving to SLC came the day after this dim bulb mayor ran his mouth, so it is likely that the NHL finally said "Enough!" and moved forward with moving the team. In the past few years, the Coyotes had looked at 27 - 27! - different potential arena sites in the Phoenix area, with issues being presented for all of them. I know the owner is the target of scorn right now, but it's obvious that the political class played a definite part in the team moving.

@erikcarlson9821

2 ай бұрын

Yup. they obviously love their red tape down there, huh?

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

You mean a politician that’s saying the truth

@notNajimi

2 ай бұрын

@@williamerazo3921bruh where did he say the truth? he ran his mouth and then like two days later put his foot in it

@scottwendt9575

Ай бұрын

So, the Coyotes couldn’t come up with a good enough proposal 26 other times, all over the valley, and now on the 27th time, we are going to blame this one politician? Okay, sounds like a very reasonable 🙄

@comicbookcountdown9252

Ай бұрын

@@scottwendt9575 Nice try, but it isn't just the last time.

Grew up a sharks fan (still am), and now a coyotes fan. I am heartbroken. However, I am not against bringing the team back via expansion. This team has gotten way too much hate and being called “poverty franchise”. I’m all for a fresh start and pressing the reset button of this team. I plan to the first Coyotes game back in 2027.

@-SkyCat-

2 ай бұрын

you know if they leave.. AZ WONT get another team... so many other citys are wanting a team Az will be lost in the mix... and this Mayor now realized his mistake.... teams have left citys before and have yet to return.

@zackyep

2 ай бұрын

​@@-SkyCat- I think they will as long as they can secure a arena in time. Bettman loves AZ

@disgoyknows88

2 ай бұрын

​@@zackyepGAR REEEEE

@Tribuneoftheplebs

2 ай бұрын

​@@-SkyCat- they will get another team or Murello will sue the NHL for stealing his team from him

I appreciate your grace to the fans of the Coyotes and what was taken from them. Fans in Atlanta understand.

My favorite saying when it comes to politics is "follow the money since sponsorships aren't worn on Armani suits". Not saying it applies in this case, but...

I am a Phoenix resident. Love the Coyotes. The Phoenix politicians screwed this up plain and simple. Just hope Phoenix can get a new team in the future!

@thefourhorsemen91

Ай бұрын

No ownership is going to want to move to the Phoenix area with this guy in charge.

This is what Coyotes have been accustomed to for decades. Dangling the carrot.

I feel like a mayor should communicate directly with the principals about logistical concerns for a project like this. Going straight to a public statement seems passive-aggressive to me. Now he looks like a jerk because the principals called his bluff. Not surprising though, since politics in AZ seem to be even more dysfunctional than elsewhere. I feel bad for the fans of the team though!

North Scottsdale has catastrophic water issues already, and a huge project out there does nothing but make them worse. ANOTHER 3 billion dollar 'entertainment district'? Taxpayers pick up the lions share of the tab for that, and get a mediocre team, and overpriced tickets, exactly the same as Glendale, which actually had a fan base.

Never trust a politician. If he’s this wishy washy simply on the idea of building the arena. Imagine how he’ll be on other issues.

Too little, too late, Ortega. You cost Arizona their hockey team.

@kristoffermangila

Ай бұрын

And this will haunt him come November...

‘I didn’t actually want them to leave, I just wanted to force them to give me a huge kickback’

Beware what you wish for, you might get it. So if some other developer (including rookies) wants to develop in or near Phoenix, would they want to deal with this piece of sh-t politician?

Is it an election season for him? If so you have your answer.

Thank you, Brodie! I'll always be a Coyotes fan.

Thanks for the update. I'm glad that the mayor of Scottsdale is taking a more reasoned approach. Since the land is not in Scottsdale, I can see how it is possible that the mayor was not in the loop and had legitimate concerns. I continue to believe that his prior response while possibly understandable, was still inappropriate. Correcting that response and setting forth his concerns that truly represent his City is appropriate.

@ogieoglethorpe3788

2 ай бұрын

too late now.

Getting a NHL team in Houston is like you moving to Houston in becoming a sportscaster on our channels.

Two life rules: 1. Think before you speak 2. If you can’t say something nice, shut your puck hole.

“I want you to go away” “NO! Not like that!” He partially got his wish. They didn’t move to the West. They moved North. Very far North.

As a Minnesotan and major hockey fan I feel incredibly sorry for the actual NHL fans in Arizona. Seeing your team leave sucks, I know from personal experience when the North Stars were told they could leave MN for Dallas. Still hurts. Yet another NHL gravestone from Bettman. Rip Coyotes, Thrashers, North Stars, Whalers and original Jets fans. Gone but fondly remembered.

Coyotes fans were never given any thought in this process. The Coyotes move to Salt Lake City is the best thing for this franchise moving forward. The state of Arizona has no interest, but the state of Utah is waiting to welcome them with open arms.....

@davidcook1141

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, the fans are never in the thought process when it comes to this issue.

@MisterCaution

2 ай бұрын

I’m not sure how a move from a top 10 media market to an insignificant small market is better. The Yotes problems revolved around bad ownership and lack of arena ownership, not Arizona.

@beekerakadjsnaxx6133

2 ай бұрын

@@MisterCaution LOL .. they can't even sellout a 5,000 seat arena here... tell me again how it's NOT a lack of fan support?

@Richard-od7yd

2 ай бұрын

And in a State where almost nobody drinks alcohol it's gonna be civil .

@CubeInspector

2 ай бұрын

​@@MisterCaution yet the Jazz have been doing just fine since the late 70s...

Losing about 50+ millionaires out of his city.. he realized.. oh crap...

If you can remember the Edmonton Oilers we’re going to move to Houston. At 11:59 Edmonton time all of the sudden Edmonton get a new Arena.

He had his bluff called. Too little, too late?

Scottsdale Mayor David Ortega: A Profile in Courage

64th Street north of the Loop 101 freeway is only a bridge approach at this point. 64th street has been built south to Mayo Boulevard but not to the north. So it's pretty obvious that once the land bordering 6th Street north of the freeway is sold and developed, there would have to be access to it from 64th Street - DUH!! It'll be interesting to see who bids on the land. If the NHL has expansion plans and the auction is won by someone interested in developing the arena project, investors with experience in real estate development could be part of the ownership group. One crazy possible investor/developer could be Steve Ellman, who formerly owned the Coyotes, and developed Westgate in Glendale, next to the former Coyotes home. Ellman was one of the first sports owners/developers to conceive of large real estate development surrounding and supporting sports venues - an idea which has now been copied over and over (L.A.'s So-Fi Stadium and Atlanta's Truist Park come immediately to mind). Ellman's vision was good. The location and timing weren't.

Changed his tune because he was going to lose his job. Typical political coward. Too late now!

Even though Scottsdale could never directly block the project, they certainly could make the whole process much longer, more expensive, and more uncertain. Imagine if after 10 years in Mullett Arena the Coyotes win the final legal battle to build the new arena and can no longer afford to.

Such a sad day. I went to every game when Yotes played at the Suns arena. When they moved so far west...I just couldnt make the drive. Still love the team. Heartbroken as are so many fans 😢.

He realized how badly he wrecked his career. Hopefully it’s too late for him. But voters do stupid things

Currently 64th St doesn't go anywhere north of the 101, so it would be good to complete that street for access to the area. That area is growing regardless.

Came for shannon, stuck around for the content. Great job keeping us up to date on the chaos

Wonder who got in his ear and told him how much money will line his pockets?…

It’s like destroying someone then saying never mind he was innocent lol

The mayor flip flopped because, 1) That city is gonna lose a LOT of money after the team moves... And.. 2) He's tryin to save face & win another election.

The land was in phoenix, so why does the Scottsdale mayor matter?

@justjohnny420

2 ай бұрын

Because it's next to Scottsdale and directly affects them

Why don’t they just play in the Sun’s ☀️ arena like basketball and hockey shares in every other city? 🤷🏾‍♂️

Well, what keeps him from changing his mind again (?) Nothing. And that's what the NHL is sick of -- rightly so . . .

Mereulo sells team to the league, gets instant cash to help develop his arena development and get more investors on board. The NHL gets out of the small arena that everyone from the board of governors to the NHLPA don’t like. And Phoenix gets the time it needs to build their arena. And down the road the NHL will expand to Phoenix and Atlanta, two markets Bettman still likes but needed new arenas and in Atlanta’s case, a new ownership group

@splashnskillz37

2 ай бұрын

+ Houston and Milwaukee

@beekerakadjsnaxx6133

2 ай бұрын

Atlanta has lost teams twice already ... they DO NOT deserve nor will they support an NHL team.

What a great breakdown ! Thanks

As a resident I can assure you that Ortega needs to worry about his own infrastructure issues. He’s an idiot. He made the first statement in order to appear relevant as well as appease the wealthy residents of North Scottsdale. Many that I assume will not welcome that type of venue close by.

"Good again by 2030something" is generous. The Coyotes have only made it to the WCF one year. That said, maybe the current ownership is going to buy the land, and build the arena and part of the ownership sale is they get an expansion team in 2029-30 or whenever, so they can build the arena and complex. SLC gets a team that can play next season without needing an expansion draft, Phoenix gets a team with the expansion draft in 2029 or so. Theoretically it's the best for all parties involved. Salt Lake City gets a team immediately, and Phoenix gets the guarantee they get a team in the near future. And Bettman gets to keep his precious Coyotes.

Lobbying should be illegal

Too little too late... probably figured this positioning would go on forever...

it is easy to understand that flip, imagine all those pissed-off hockey fans voting him out of the office, also about getting an expansion team in AZ, I really doubt that will happen in the short term, divisions are balanced and would be a long time before NHL plan the next round, I think.

No pol wants to be the reason a team left. This mayor wanted to play hardball but now realizing his comments will likely be looked at as the straw that broke the camel's back.

sounds to me like the Scottdale mayor will be looking for a new job next election. What a clown.

Great insight on the circumstances there in Arizona. Sad if you are a hockey fan there. Great to see some content on other topics than the MLB uniforms too

Been a long time coming for the Yotes. The writing was on the wall since Gilla River kicked them out

Yeah, its the major of Scottsdale's fault they're leaving and not the 25+ yrs of mismanagement

Seems like The whole city and organization is a disaster. The fans deserved better

Now that the Coyotes have announced they're moving to Salt Lake, he's all for it! CYA Mayor Ortega. Don't worry..... None of the hate is focused on you, Alex Meruelo. It's clear your focus are the Bars and Resturants of your city. I do think the Mayor is short sighted; But it really doesn't matter. I thinking Meruelo will be A NO SHOW AT THE AUCTION and take his CASH GRAB and run back to Reno! WHAT A P.O.S.! Alex Meruelo never gave a damn about the fans.😢

Now that the team is gone he can play politics.

Why not partnership with Phoenix Suns on hockey/basketball arena

@scruffydog2

2 ай бұрын

The owner of the Suns will not let them play in the area.

@justjohnny420

2 ай бұрын

Having 2 teams in 1 venue that play their seasons at the same time is a pain.

@mikecumbo7531

2 ай бұрын

@@justjohnny420why? Philly, Boston, Washington DC, Chicago, NYC/MSG make it work. In DC, Georgetown also plays at Capital One Arena, often on Saturday afternoons with a pro game at night. Didn’t the Lakers, Clippers and Kings all play at the Staples Center?

@mikecumbo7531

2 ай бұрын

@@scruffydog2the Suns don’t own the building.

@wilbs1959

2 ай бұрын

The Suns owner does not want to share the profits

The mayor hadn’t received any kickbacks on the project yet!!! Now he is in triage mode, realizing the team is leaving…

A politician flip flopping on a topic, imagine my shock. Honestly, I am sad the Yotes are about to play their last game but I am shocked that they lasted as long as they did in Arizona.

He said there was no water if he changed his toon then he was bought or they suddenly pulled some water out of someone's backside.

What a MAROOON😮

He probably realized too late there was a kickback to be had

Dosen't sound like fans are willing to support a Morello owned team.

Everybody is going to remember the Coyotes leaving on his election day

Maybe the mayor can now move with the Yotes to Salt Lake.

Ortega did the damage. He doesn't want the team in Scottsdale. He got the wheels grinding, and now that the move is safely and irreversibly underway, he's back tracking so he can claim he advocated for them to stay. Typical politician.

Politics is a real hotbed in Arizona right now…and I’m not talking sports. I don’t have enough inside knowledge to know why they do what they do. But I can’t see Morello moving forward with development of the property, especially to the scale proposed, on the prospect that a pro team might (or might not) make it there. The idea was that sports fan patronize businesses, not that business patrons take an interest in the sport. Or might that change?

@notoriouseagle1074

2 ай бұрын

Just don't let Kari Lake get a senate seat.

The Scottsdale mayor is a punk. He just killed his political career.

@CubeInspector

2 ай бұрын

No he didn't. Unless some specific lobby goes after him. Hockey isn't exactly big in Arizona especially after they had to play in a college rink

@jeffinphx517

2 ай бұрын

@CubeInspector It's not just hockey. It's about another business and entertainment development that brings in revenue.

This mayor never had control of any of this. To blame him for the relocation is asinine.

@atrholiday2889

2 ай бұрын

Well he could’ve kept his mouth shut and let it die on its own, he sure commented his disdain for the project like he had some control

If you don't know anything about Scottsdale, it's hard to understand. But if you do! You know what goes on in and around Scottsdale is important to the Mayor n the people there. He was pissed that no one ask him S***. Now someone Has.

Everyone is saying that the Mayor has killed his political future. Are you kidding me?!?! He's now the odds on favorite for the 2028 Presidential race.

This week has been so wild

Never say die. Thirty ish years ago the Seahawks had “moved” to LA. Thankfully it didn’t happen.

@Carrollavirus

2 ай бұрын

Actually, it was 28 years ago (1996).

@MisterCaution

2 ай бұрын

@@Carrollavirus Doesn’t 28 qualify as “thirty ish” or are we all about not rounding up 2 years?

@Carrollavirus

2 ай бұрын

@@MisterCaution No.

Doesn’t matter, please don’t let this matter, move the team to some place that cares and will support the team. 20+ years of this BS. Just move on. It’s exhausting to listen to.

he got his check

Bring them to Tucson! Build an arena here! Tucson would love to have a major sport here.

On November 5th of this year Lisa Borowsky and Linda Milhaven will challenge David Ortega for the position of Mayor for Scottsdale,AZ. This week he watched his chances of winning the election walk past strapped to the ass of a Coyote as it headed north to Salt lake. Sucks to be him.

The mayor needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. Damage already done. Bye-bye Coyotes

Politicians, huh.

What happen was he messed up. He forgot he was a public servant and the people he served wants the development and money it brings.

Arizona will get the Coyotes (West) back after they build a new arena. Atlanta (East) & Houston (West) will also get teams. Another club is needed in the East to get to a balanced 36-team league. What Eastern USA city would work? Bettman may have settle for Quebec City, or maybe put a second team in Toronto - Leafs play in the heart of downtown Toronto (south). Second team could play in the north metro area (Markham / Richmond Hill / Vaughn) if the Leafs are OK with it.

If I'm the Coyotes I Would work with the Salt River tribe for something on the East side of Pima Rd. It would be labeled as Scottsdale and the Mayor and the state would have no control over it just to spite him

Sounds like there must have been an informative conference or a sizeable donation to his campaign (or both). Either way, it's looking like it's too late.

Too late

Too little too late. What a flake. He’s just trying to save face now that the League called his bluff. You lost, and it’s on you. Don’t pretend that you didn’t say what you clearly said; or pretend that it didn’t tip the scales.

I'm guessing the backlash the mayor got from his original criticisms made him change his stance on it .

Hello!! What about the Winnipeg Jets fans back in 96 who lost their team? Then for almost 30 years see a clown car of owners, facilities issues, and the team sucked! It was one mistake after another! Bettman should have never this move on unless an arena, where the population and season ticket holder live, was planned and built for hockey within five years. Don’t give me Glendale was built. Nothing wrong with the facility. But it’s not where the population base is.

He’s not wrong. Fantasy and rookie is right

Some people believe fans determine whether a sports franchise stays or leaves a market, which is a lazy way of thinking. The people who own the franchise, those with deep pockets, determine a franchise's fate. Unfortunately, the various owners of the Coyotes since the 1996 move from Winnipeg were so incredibly inept. Also, the political situation in deciding where to build an arena in the Phoenix area did not help either. I remember the NY Mets' early years. They started five years after the Dodgers and Giants moved west. There are still people in the NYC area who are heartbroken by the move. But if one looks closer, the combination of owners dissatisfied with their current venues plus the NYC political situation on building new venues with public money and where the new stadiums should be located (not to mention having more sports teams west of the Mississippi) were also contributing factors. I empathize with fans who support a team that eventually moved to another market. At the same time, I understand that this move, as with any franchise move, is also a business decision. I'm just a customer who can choose or not choose to attend a sporting event for enjoyment and entertainment.

@wilbs1959

2 ай бұрын

Meruel is a billionaire and will make a ton of money off of the sale of the team , I think that was his plan all along

Of course he changed his mind, he saw the league was willing to pay 95% of the sale by giving them a billion dollars. 🤷🤣

The mayor was correct on his first call and then dialed it back

Not that his take(s) really tilted this one way or the other, but too little, too late, mayor. The damage has been done - and you’re a pinhead. 🙄