Great videos, this is the bike I have been waiting for since I started riding in the 70's. Thanks for the well put together videos and your insight into this bike.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Rusty.

I just found your channel the other day and am having a blast working my way through your bike videos. Excellent stuff! Exactly the kind of info I am looking for on the Honda. Thanks for taking the time to put these together. I became a patreon to keep up to date as well.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

THank you thank you thank you!

Thank you John for the video! Now you got me thinking about installing one of these over the winter. I still like this bike regardless.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I have liked it whether stock or loaded up. It's just a blast to ride around.

Thanks again John, through your vids and some others got the vortex for my crf450l and it truly is night and day.. combined with the g2 throttle its a whole new machine.. loving it! I only have an arrow slip on and it stopped all the backfire and added so much more smooth power.. WOW!

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you got it all sorted out. Thanks for watching!

John I get alot of benefit from your videos. Thanks for doing all you do . I just bought a 2022 Honda 450 R/L. I find your videos fun and inviting to work on a motorcycle

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris. I really appreciate it!

Wow. Thank you so much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

@mikrchzichy

3 жыл бұрын

an app for checking acceleration etc is apps.apple.com/ca/app/science-journal-by-google/id1251205555

Nice bike! You did a good job on upgrades! That is exactly what that bike needed.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I still even liked it stock, but then I have no videos. LOL.

Love your videos just picked my 450l up and I'm so glad .best part is riding with my ten year old son on his crf70 that's living.

I appreciate your no BS reviews, thank you for doing these videos.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. No problem 👍

Thank you John for sharing your experience with us...!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

You bet!

Thanks for the video! I got my IMS tank and the Yoshi exhaust (neither installed yet), just waiting for $$$ to get the Vortex. I can't wait. Sounds like the best mod out there for the 450.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

All the horse power you knew it had but was missing. You're going to love your 450L even more!

Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you sir

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great video, I have the jd jetting EFI Tuner, has decent results but I’m looking for more. I didn’t know the vortex was so simple to tune, I’m definitely pulling the trigger on the vortex.

Great video. Interesting all the way through.

31 miles on my 2021 and just added a Vortex,Yoshi , and AXP skid plate. Really enjoy following your bike build.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Michael!

Beautiful area, great scenery from the roads! I lived in Summit County for a year, I miss it out there.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Come on back!

Hello John I got the vortex installed and the difference is huge, much smoother, no popping from the exhaust and the throttle is not jerky anymore, the best upgrade and should be done 1st, all the best

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. It's a bummer we have to spend that much money to get the bike to run how it ought to, but totally worth the money.

I just got a brand new CRF 450 L 2019 model And you are the man your videos are great lots and lots of information you’re my go to Guy that everything on these bikes keep up the good work be careful have fun PS Honda should be paying you

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Donnie. I think Honda should pay me in new bikes to mod!

Awesome brother 💪🏾💯

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

Thanks for making this video! People say you just added $2000 in extras to your 10K bike... well, everyone does that to every bike (Beta, KTM, etc). It's just part of the game. They are fixed costs across the board. Just like protection pieces.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Yupper. I just bought a KTM that needed nothing but somehow ended up with a ton of mods. Funny how that happens!

I've got a vortex ecu for my ktm and wish that was the first thing I bought. Definitely a great buy.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I've gotta Power Commander V for sale... LOL. Wish I would have known as well.

12 hours of researching dual-sports today, been watching your videos for CRF450L, which are fantastic and super informative. Other bike I'm looking at is a DR-Z400S. I keep going back and forth, do I want a much cheaper starter bike, or just got all-in with the CRF450L. Been riding street for decades, this is going to be my first dual-sport. With riding gear and must-do upgrades, looking at almost $14,000 or so. And then I think, will Honda fix all the the issues for the 2021 model? Decisions, decisions. Keep up the great work.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I can't tell if I'm being helpful in your quest or not. LOL. But it sounds like you have the bullet points right. As for Honda fixing their new bike, I wouldn't hold my breath on it. Good luck and have fun with whichever you choose and thanks for watching.

Thanks for the vid man

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

I like your videos, thanks for posting. If you have not tried Map 5 yet, you should but I just ride the roads nowadays. Map 4 though if I decide to offroad it.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I plan to run through all the appropriate maps and report back on them... as soon as the snow melts a little.

@blackpearlpastoral

3 жыл бұрын

John T. Young looking forward to the map report

I agree. Vortex is a must do 👍Any chance you can make a smog delete video???

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I made a half assed one but did not like how it came out. Go watch this video. It's a really good kit. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mWGqztGoeczXY7Q.html

Great video/info.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Love the bike, test drove one, still cant part with my xr650l w/lectron carb. Just bought another new one waiting in the garage for the old one to hit 100000, 95k now.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Two pretty different bikes. XR650L is a bullet proof tank!

Hi John, thanks for another great video. I have 2 small questions. Do you run this with the open airbox? And which MAP setting are you using the most at the moment? Thank you.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, airbox lid off. I like the sand, torque map. 3 I think it is. But that’s me.

Mine turns up next week, In the UK we got the 24BHP 450L, i just replaced the Air intake rubber and now waiting on the Vortex, It will make a huge difference with mine as it will bring up the BHP to over 40.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

You won't be able to keep the front wheel on the ground!. Thanks for watching.

Just purchased the vortex.. up to 10 freaking week wait time. Fml. I need that thang immediately!!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no. That’s a bummer.

@jdubya-fh6mv

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung for sure. Seat concepts also 8 week lead time. I purchased the '21.. throttle is still on or off.. very hard to be smooth while riding. Ergo need my vortex now! Lol. Thanks for the great vids and time you have taken to show us how to unlock this wonderful machine. I'm looking forward to upgrading mine as much as possible like you've done with yours.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdubya-fh6mv you are very welcome!

I agree. But it also needs a new clutch (like you have already done). I’m already almost 16k into the bike and it still isn’t right. Lol

Well you built the perfect 450L and now I'll build mine be done by May 23 first buying the bike in the next month or so.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect for me and what I ride, Rick. I’m sure there are plenty of people who would hate my bike. In fact I’m positive there are. Lol. Have fun with your build and keep us up to date.

@rickvann3489

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung After mulling over these bikes BMW 1250 GSA 2020 African Twin 700 Tenere yet to be released. KaToom (KTM) 790R Husqvarna 701 a Beta 430r SWM 650 and a SWM RS 500rr and the Honda, I picked the Honda. The deciding factors where availability of parts in the US for the ride I'm doing. The two big rides I'm doing the TAT and Continental Divide and I wanted it to be fun and not to be look what I did on a huge barge bike, anything is possible but I want my 30 days to be fun riding. Last but not least is I found the 450L 2019 for $6649 so lots of extra money to use on upgrades but stooping at $11,000

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickvann3489 It is definitely a FUN bike to ride. Anywhere.

@relaxedguy

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickvann3489 how did you find one for $6649?

@rickvann3489

4 жыл бұрын

@@relaxedguy left over deal check out cycle trader... don't be afraid to walk away from the dealer.

Hey John, love your videos, I'm yet another victim of them, pickup my CRF450L complete with Vortex, Yoshimura and lots of other essential parts recommends by you LOL, I think the previous owner must have also been a fan of your channel before deciding after just 200 miles the seat height did fit his build! I'm trying to understand the Vortex maps 1-5, and where I should start, I see on several forums riders asking for a better description of the map differences, can you provide an insight into what each map would suit. Thanks John

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats Martin. It kinds=a comes down to Power / Traction / and Torque. It's really as simple as that. Power gets you peak horsepower so when you do your Dyno Shootout you can win it. 1 spreads it out a bit and 5 keeps it up high in the revs. Traction attempts so limit slip by comparing RPMs and Speed. Torque adjusts the power to pull and to pull down low.. I am almost always in 1 for the highway, 2 for slow technical, or 4 for when I'm riding in ADV mode loaded down with luggage. I have a handlebar mounted switch to go back and forth between 1 and another map. They do make a difference but it is not like night and day, in my experience. Map 1 is about the best overall map to just set and forget.

@DirtRiderLife

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Thanks so much John, map 1 is for me then, have you tried to lean out the mixture for better gas mileage without sacrificing performance?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@DirtRiderLife I have not tried it. It's way too hard to get to the Vortex to change it back and forth quickly or on the fly. At least until I find a different place to mount it.

John loving your vids and going to do the Yoshi and Vortex with toggle switch for on/off road. Question- after you replaced the pipe, what did you use to wrap/cover part of the pipe, charcoal color? Thx!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

It's a DEI shield. Small light and it works, tho it is not very pretty. www.xtremediesel.com/dei-010496-onyx-series-pipe-shield

The reason why the Vortex gets rid of the snappy throttle response because it is an entirely new computer for your bike. The stock ecu basically cuts off fuel injection when off throttle. So when you reapply throttle it snaps back do hard because it starts injecting fuel again. The bike basically shuts off if you will. Their reasoning... emissions, thsts it. They needed to pass emissions regulations and thats how they did it. The vortex ecu does not cut off fuel injection do its like the race models essentially where its smooth on and off throttle. Dynojet doesn't do this because you don't replace the computer as a whole, you just add a custom map for air/fuel mixture.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

Thanks John!! Just stumbled across your stuff now that I am a proud owner of a new 2021 CRF450RL and I’m in love. I just ordered the full yoshi RS-4 exhaust and a PC5 which now I wish I would have went for the vortex. Is there any way you could send me the map you were using when you were running the PC5?? I guess I will run with the PC5 for now and then upgrade like you did. Thank so much for your videos!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Shoot me an email!

@brycemac9451

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung I sent an email last night to John.grumpy.young@gmail.com

Good morning John, week 3 with the CRF450RL. Got the Throttle tame installed and the Seat Concepts Comfort XL. Now its time for an ECU. I’m looking at the Vortex and the GET. I like the Wi-Fi function of the get and the ability to make finite changes and store maintenance records. I know how I am thos and I’ll probably set and forget. I know you don’t have the GET yet but I’m sure you’ve researched it. So worth the $220 extra bucks or stay with the proven Vortex?

@JohnTYoung

Жыл бұрын

Hi Doug. I've tried the GET, AIM, and the Vortex. The GET and AIM generate some serious horsepower. I had to send them both back for upgrades and tweaks. BUT, if they work out of the box for you I would install either over the Vortex, and I love my Vortex.

John, keep up the great videos. Any chance you can do a functional video for the traction control?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking about that. How to show it and video so it made sense. I'm working on it tho it may take a while.

@lindsayfitzgerald4401

3 жыл бұрын

I briefly saw a video the other day. But it wasn’t very informative. I’m not sure if traction control helps launch or a hill climb. The video I watched he drove into a stream with a step bank on the other side. Without the traction control he lost moment and stalled. With traction control he did the same but climbed out. Maybe he just adjusted his approach 2nd time round???. A rekluse auto clutch would probably make no difference if traction control is on or off???

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@lindsayfitzgerald4401 I think I may have watched the same video. The rekluse really helps if you're going SLOW. Not much help if you're winding it out.

you meet the nicest people on a honda

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

True.

Thank you for the video. Does the Vortex effect the durability of the engine? I think Honda restricted the ECU in order to last very long. So I am a little concerned if that changes with the new vortex ecu.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know that we will know the answer to that question until one of his hits 100,000 miles. The other reason Honda locked the ECU was so that you couldn't just add pipes to it open up the throttle and ruin their EPA rating.

@JRodSMX

4 жыл бұрын

Restrictions were to pass emissions and not for longetivity of the engine. There's a few people with 18k or miles now and haven't had a single problem.

Great videos John, I'm in the the market for my first performance dual sport. The 450L and the ktm 500excf are my top picks. Do you have any history with the ktm for comparison to your modded 450L?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian. I do not. My KTM experience is second hand through friends. Having said that, they all really like my CRF450L now that is has the Yosh pipe and Vortex on it.

@brianebberson6971

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung thanks for the response. I know the the 450L has great features for making it better on the pavement or even hard pack dirt roads which is important to me. I just wonder if the offroad performance gap between the two bikes is that noticeable once you uncork and pipe/ecu the 450L.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@brianebberson6971 I don't believe the gap is all that big. After all, the CRF450X has how many Baja 1000 wins?

Hey there John. Just got my 450l used and ordered a Vortex based on your videos. It has a JD tuner installed that I plan on removing when the new ecu arrives. When it comes to the JD tuner removal, is there anything you need to do to put the bike back to factory settings before installing the Vortex? Can’t find any info on that anywhere. Thanks!

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, not that I can recall. I do remember getting the position sensor and the FI dongles out as being a PITA tho.

Good video. I like the setup. I wonder if for a similar amount of money the motocross version could be converted to street legal?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Could they (R,RX,X) be made to be street legal? Of course. Are they the same bike on the street as the L with all the tweaks made to it's frame and motor? No.

@John T. Young sorry if it's there already. But what other engine performance mods did you have when you installed your ECU?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

I installed the Yosh exhaust before the Vortex

Noticed you had an Adventure-Spec luggage support on there for a bit. How did you like it?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I actually have a video for that coming out in the next week or two. It's an okay idea, but the reality is it's a little thin. It been very very easily..I've used the breakfast 80 without it and with it and the only thing it adds is it's ability to hold your luggage away from your plastic.

Question: I am having a hard time getting some info on this, I want to run the CRF450L bone stock. My goal with the vortex ECU would be to get rid of the jerky throttle, bike running lean, and bike dying. The extra hp is nice too but not required. Your thoughts?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

The Vortex fixes so much it’s hard not to recommend it. I guess if I had to do something else, I would add a flywheel weight and a throttle tamer instead. I’m time you will learn to work the throttle with no mods at all - sooner if you’re coming from a dirt background. I hope that helps.

All you had to do is take the bike to the dyno and they set it up perfect

Must I change the exhaust as well if I install a Vortex? If I only fit the Vortex is there still a power improvement with the stock exhaust? Thanks 👍

John.. just got my vortex in today.. just wondering what your using for the map setting?.. is yours low,mid,high all set at 5? Not sure if I should touch those setting? Please help lol.. I got Yoshi exhaust..

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I am using setting 4 which is supposed to be tuned for torque/traction as I ride heavy often. I have not messed with fine tuning the ECU as it seems to be running great. Maybe in time I'll see if changing them gets me better MPG.

@bombidude

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung ya I'm going to try setting one.. thanks for help

That engine can handle those RPM same motor as the race bike.

Did you by chance upload the map you were using for the PC5 with Yoshi exhaust?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Let me know if this works... drive.google.com/open?id=1AlvmJ9A4bZS-96tHwG0pXBH3dyXQHVIj

@brycemac9451

3 жыл бұрын

Hey John ! I came across this link you sent and it doesn’t work for me. Could you possibly resend? Thanks again

@Tuber359

2 жыл бұрын

I would also like to see this map. It would sure help me with this pc5

Question: do you know how it has affected your mpg? I will be riding long and remote, and need to keep the economy pretty high. Just a few miles less per gallon no issue, but a lot less could be a problem. Curious minds want to know!

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely drops your MPG. No free lunches. I'd say it went down about 5MPG cruising and made MPG much more throttle sensitive. More throttle less MPG.

hey John, any chance I can get that custom map sent to me? having trouble finding a happy spot for the AFR

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Shoot me an email @ john.grumpy.young@gmail.com

@Bonedeth12

4 жыл бұрын

Just sent over a message

I have a vortex and yoshi full exhaust on my 2021 RL. After riding for about 10 minutes the bike will die cruising around 60mph. Turn the key off and on and then it fires back up. Never did this with the stock setup. I’m running 5,5,5 and map 1 with air box lid removed. Any ideas? Thanks!

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

Oh man. I wish I knew but I don't know that I've ever heard of this from a Vortex. The quick check would be to put your stock ECU back in and confirm theres an issue with the vortex.

I think you can get a map switch from vortex for your handlebar so you can switch map's on the fly

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

You can!

Hey John, I was just reading about the Vortex dynaimic traction control feature, have you tried it ? Activated by pressing the starter button in neutral or with the clutch pulled in while pressing the starter button while moving

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Martin. I have not tried it but plan to now that we have snow! To activate the traction control: With the engine running, pull in the clutch and press the start button. You will see the engine light blink to let you know it is on. To turn it off, pull in the clutch and press the start button again. The engine light will stop blinking to let you know traction control is off.

@DirtRiderLife

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Look forward to the video of your traction control experience :)

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@DirtRiderLife There may be crashing involved. Just sayin'.

@DirtRiderLife

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Haha there is always the opportunity for a crash, looks like our weather is going to break late next week, I may be able to find some ice free gravel for my first CRF450L ride, I'm so excited!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@DirtRiderLife We just got an inch or two that needs to go away... before the next wave.

What fuel trim settings are you running at your elevation? I’m in Tahoe between 6,000-8,000

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I'm at 5 5 5 on map 3. The ECU should adjust itself for elevation. I'm living in the same range + or - 4000 feet.

I bought a Vortex Ecu for my 450l and went to install but now the bike won't start. Engine light is flashing every 3 second but it clicks and won't turn over. Went to put the old ecu back in and the engine light is now on and the bike stalls when I turn the throttle. Any help or advice on this would be great!

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Make sure your tip-over sensor is not installed upside down or sideways. It may think you've crashed. Be sure that the sensor plugs to the left of the ecu are plugged ALL the way in. The bike knows when something has been left unplugged and won't start.

I thought the vortex was for closed circuit race only? I had the power commander could never get it to work. Also you can't or shouldn't run the bike with just the yoshi pipe. It runs way too lean. Got my vortex on the way for closed circuit use of course.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

It is it is. I would never use my Vortex on the street. Nor would I speed, split lanes, or turn without signaling.

So far, I am happy with 333 fuel and map 3. But im running stock except for the Vortex ECU.

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

You may have found the perfect numbers!

just installed my Yoshi exhaust and Vortex. I was skeptical until I rode my bike today... Man what a difference. I did not think it would power wheelie in 3rd gear but i was wrong and damn happy!!!!! Well worth the money. It is a totally different bike.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Now you'll need to start a Go-Fund-Me to pay your speeding tickets!

@gcb9795

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung You are totally right

@gcb9795

4 жыл бұрын

What 3 fuel trim numbers do you run?? According to which map you are using?? I have the air box snorkel removed

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@gcb9795 I've left the trims alone for now.

@gcb9795

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young okay thanks.

An other great Video. I will get my Vortex in a view days.....I hope.. As a greenhorn tuner I have no idea about ECU tuning. I just came across a Vortex instruction Video how says it is crucial to do a Throttle Position Sensor Reset (TPS) Have you done something like that😳 Thank you 👍for the great instructions. keep on making this Videos. I like👌

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

I did do it just a while ago. It's not hard at all, just remember to ground out the pin (with the red plug in it) on the OEM connector. You have the right one if the fuel pump doesn't come on when you switch the bike on.

@MrBenfru

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Thanks for the hint! is it important to do this? I waiting with that job until you do a step by step Video👍

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBenfru I managed for a few years before I did mine. I think you'll be ok.

@MrBenfru

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung perfekt👌

John, why did you choose the CRF450L rather than the KTM 500 EXC? Both are capable of functioning as light dual sport platforms and the price difference is a wash (at least where I live) once you add the Tokyomods Vortex ECU and either a Yoshimura or FMF exhaust system to the Honda.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I believe Honda builds a longer lasting, better engineered bike. When Honda built this CRF450L they didn't just add some part to the X model. There are some subtle differences; like the steering angle tuned for a better street/high speed ride, heavy duty sub-frame, real headlight, etc. The KTM is still the king of Dual Purpose bikes in the dirt, but if the dirt is 300 miles away I think the Honda's road manors will make getting to the dirt an enjoyable part of the trip.

@glennmuir5617

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Hi John, Thank you for your reply. That is exactly the type of thoughtful analysis I was hoping to receive when I posed my question. I'm still on the fence as to which of these bikes I'll eventually purchase. I'll be keeping up with you videos to see how your bike matures over the miles. Cheers.

@tommyd1963ify

3 жыл бұрын

I had a 2017 Husky 501 and already like the Honda better in the 48 hours I've owned it. Once my Vortex gets here and fixes the throttle issue I will have no complaints. Already went more street miles in a row than I did on the Husky and it feels very stable in the dirt.

What settings did you end up sticking with on your vortex? Thanks :)

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

5,5,5 Maps are either 1 or 3 or 4.

Very interesting. Is it possible and use vortex ecu with original exhaust system.?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. There is setting on the Vortex for the stock exhaust.

@lars.from.norway_

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Okay🙂, thanks for the reply. + very informative videos about the crf450l on your channel. Keep it up.

@HanSolo-yd2pf

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Thanks for confirming that. I may eventually replace the stock exhaust, but I really value a quiet bike, so I'm waiting for more options.

John anymore flame outs since the install of vortex ecu? I had a few different times with the stock one..

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Still cranky on cold mornings, but otherwise it runs perfect.

@bombidude

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung perfect.. can't wait to ride it now.lol

Hey John. Could you comment on your license plate tail light setup in this video. Looks cool.

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's the Flatlands Racing Tail Tidy Kit. Super strong aluminum piece.

@jdavishornet

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like the plate is on top of the fender. The flatlands I just looked at online goes under.

You say map four is the best.setup? Overall.. You only turn one screw or multiple?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Oh. I never said that. I said that's the map I thought would work best for carrying a lot of luggage. And just the one to choose the map.

Can you tell me what setting you decided to use on your Vortex setup?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

1, 2, or 3. Depends on what I'm doing. Choices are fun!

Just added the Vortex today the Yosh RS-4 is coming in tomorrow, what map would you recommend for mostly road use?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I normally cruise around on the Torque (carry a load so, weight) map, but that's me. Any of them are going to be amazing.

@rf4087

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung I was thinking map 2 or 5 since I won't be carrying the weight. Thanks for the videos, very informational to myself. Bought the 450L because of the vids!

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@rf4087 So it's all my fault. LOL, like a good wingman, I'll take the blame.

Did you leave the intake lid off (open) after installing the Vortex ECU?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

I took the lid off even before the Vortex, but yes, the lid is gone.

Have you played with the fuel settings? Do you think they are to rich and that’s why gas goes in the oil?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

It's been happening with the Power Commander, Vortex ECU and to several viewers who are running stock. Not saying that's not a component, but there seems to be something else going on. Thanks for watching and joining the conversation!

@controlledfreakr

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young thanks mate 👌🏾💪🏾

Hey John, thanks for the great videos on the 450. Helped me decide which way to go with some mods. Got my Yoshi installed today. The Vortex will be here in a couple days. If you have played around with the maps maybe you could comment on them.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't played around with the maps all that much yet. I set mine on #4, somewhere in the middle of all grunt and all Horse Power and it's running great so far.

The vortex ecu works with stock exhaust or we must use yoshimura or fmf? Thanks bro

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

It will work with the stock exhaust fine. Map 0.

You mention the cost close to Beta. With the type of riding you do if you were starting over and with the dollars would you still do the Honda? Like your vids. No BS real world comments. Refreshing to see someone that isn’t afraid to not jump on the KTM bandwagon.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I would. The Beta would still require a seat, larger tank, and whatnot. The only other bike I was considering was the KTM 790, not because it's a KTM but because of all the good things I've heard about it. Still, love me some Honda. I have high hopes for the 2020 Africa Twin. Of course I still have to p[ay off my CRF first.

Can you get one of these that will bluetooth to a phone app? Be nice to change maps from an app whenever you want.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

You mean ala Yamaha? Nope. Not yet.

@thumpersquid

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung That's too bad lol You'd think that would be an option. Thanks for the reply :)

So John, tell us how you really feel 😂. Quick question, it’s been 10 months now, do you still feel as strong about it? I’m about ready to order one ☝️

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Still the best mod for the L.

@WestHawaiiRealEstate

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young ok, how do we get this past the wife 🤔

@tommyd1963ify

3 жыл бұрын

@@WestHawaiiRealEstateI told the wife it was for safety. That snappy throttle is dangerous. If you break a foot twice and have your bicep reattached first she might just buy it. Lol

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Yeee. Maybe hide it in a box of chocolates. Hidden inside a boquet of flowers. Sitting inside a new car?

I know I'm a little late to the party but I picked up a power commander when I bought my 450 last year. Now I'm thinking about going vortex like you have but in the meantime anybody know where I could get a custom tune for the dynojet?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Are any of the Dyno Jet ones they feature on their site work?

@jonathangaudreau7022

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Yes they do work but the decel popping is twice as bad

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathangaudreau7022 You think after being out for 2 years they'd have some better tunes.

How do you like the spacing on the 6 speeds trans?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I like it though it's a bit tight. 1st could be a tad lower for technical sections and 6th a tad taller for the highway. But at cruising speeds it works great.

@nvmcrider8475

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung My 05 KTM 525 EXC was like that, 6 gears but too close together. At least it is a six speed instead of a 5 speed. Looks like you have really taken the time to make the most of that bike.

so your valves were in spec at 5300 miles and last checked at 1800? had i known this i wouldn't have bought my 701! way to go Honda.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. And I expect them to still be in spec at 7200, or whenever I check them next.

Dose the exhaust melt your blinkers i was told they may

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Hasn't melted mine yet. It will get a bit dirty since it's right in the exhaust's flow.

Hey great video.... I'm buying my very first bike in March of 2020... I am torn between klr 650 and crf450L I will be commuting to work, basically street riding..and I plan to ride all year around ..any input or thoughts would be greatly appreciated from everyone

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Both bikes are great. I don't know that the CRF450L would be a great choice for a mostly street bike. Maintenance intervals a very close together and you'd be paying an extra $4000 for dirt oriented suspension and frame you don't need. Heck, even the new KTM 390 is going to be a better road bike and cheaper than the 450L. Why is the CRF450L on your short list illz11226?

@illz11226

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung I like Honda they are just a reliable company imo... I have a 1992 accord manual transmission a still runs good with 370000 miles on it. Had the option to buy BMW and Benz 2019...still chose honda civic 2019..🤷🏿‍♂️ Also I was looking for something light, reliable and speedy, the crf didn't look to heavy..if I'm not mistaken the KLR is 388lbs. I'm honestly open to any suggestions Thank you for the reply

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@illz11226 Ride Red! I think as a commuter bike the only thing the 450L has going for it is the weight. You're right, it's light. I am really NOT trying to talk you out of the 450L, I just don't think it's an ideal beginner bike nor a great commuter bike. It's tall, needs an oil change every 600 miles, and is a bit twitchy on the throttle. It is also $10K. The 250L is a wee bit heavier, has better maintenance intervals, and saves you $4000 or so. Not enough oomph... the CBX500 is a nice commuter bike too, though it has some weight to it. But, it's your money. Spend it on what you love.

What is your setting now if you don’t mind me asking? I have it map 5 but it still has backfire Thank you

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

I've been using 3 and I still have a little backfire, but the cool pop pop pop kind. Did you replace your exhaust seal? Air in the system can create some backfire.

@maresoldino

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young Yes I did, I switch from jd to vortex and with map 5 the backfire was really bad. I’ll try your settings. Cheers

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@maresoldino The other thing to check is that your low fuel trim setting is around the standard 5.

Got all my parts now, can hardly wait to get them on, just to cold at moment, no garage. I do hear the milage really drops though ?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

After you add the Vortex? Yes, it does. But that's why a Himalayan gets 80 MPG, 24 hp.

@Shaymer705Racing

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young what setting you running ?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shaymer705Racing Either torque or enduro depending on if I have luggage or not.

@cstegemiller

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung How many miles do you usually get out of the ims 3.1g tank with the vortex? I am going to purchase both. Sorry if you mentioned this in the video, I must have missed it.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@cstegemiller Totally depends on your right hand, but between 38 to 48MPG.

7:15 Surely you got the rubber mounting boot around the wrong way. Check the moulding.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Gerry Ya. Thanks. I flipped it but didn’t record it and then thought “Meh, no one will notice. “ 😳

@waltermitty7452

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung First off, thanks for all your efforts with these videos, truly appreciate it, and love watching them. I one of the many folks who really wanted Honda to come out with this bike, but like many are not too wild about the price, the maintenance intervals, and finally some of the issues....namely stalling while stopping or low idle in first gear, etc. However, if I can get past the price and the maintenance, and I want to keep the bike as stock as possible, I have a few questions.... 1) Other than the Vortex ECU is there any other way to help with the stalling and lean issues? 2) What are your thoughts on just doing the Vortex ECU with the stock pipe and smog still attached? I"m not too concerned about having the fastest bike, I just want linear power delivery and for the bike not to stall when stopping or lugging along in 1st gear. 3) Basically, I guess what I am asking is what would you recommend as the bare bones modes to just make it a better (not necessarily faster) overall bike. Thanks

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@waltermitty7452 On the price... you're getting what amounts to a de-tuned EFI race bike with an overbuilt frame that still weighs less than the CRF250L Rally and a no hassle registration. I think it's on par with other the other offerings out there. Perfect? Hell no. But.... There's always a DynoJet Power Commander V, but honestly, the Vortex is easily worth double the money of the PCV. As for running the Vortex with a stock pipe I don't know of anyone who's done it. There is surely someone out there, but they aren't talking. Besides, the Vortex / FMF-Yosh pipe setup cures everything that's iffy about this bike except the maintenance schedule. Vortex fixes stalling (other than this is a four stroke and you can not lug it like a 2 stroke), idle, 3rd gear stalling, choppy throttle, etc... Pipe adds a few horse power and drop 8 to 10 LBS of weight in an instant. Bare bones mod - Vortex ECU and a slip-on pipe.

@waltermitty7452

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung Bare bones Vortex ECU and just a slip on pipe...or get the entire pipe like you did? Also, what made you go with the Yosh vs FMF? Thanks

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@waltermitty7452 Yosh makes, or used to make, the Honda Factory pipes. Bares bones just get the slip on. SPend a tiny bit more money, LOL, and get the full. I like the full but I wanted all the horses back.

i wouldn't worry so much of 1/4 mile runs, 1/8th mile is about as long a sprint as needed in real world.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Jim O'Rourke Lets race! As soon as the snow melts.

Can use this on a 2020? All I see listed are the 2019...

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

As far as I know the only difference between a 2019 and a 2020 are the graphics.

Hi John Just put yoshimura and vortex on. Put vortex on power 4 for the Yoshimura for most power. What should the other 3 adjustable measure be on?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you own a dyno or are a professional tuner, 555. Even the pros using the L for races don't adjust the Vortex too far from baseline. But feel free to mess around with the settings, you can always turn them back.

@jackmills1274

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung all set ready to go! Where is the next king adventure? Looking forward to seeing the channel grow and change a new direction of onboard riding etc.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackmills1274 back to Washington!

@jackmills1274

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John only just managed to ride the bike after a house move. Set on 5 5 5 and power map 4. Can’t notice a difference in power and it feels choked up still like it has more to give and isn’t being allowed! Everything on KZread shows it making a massive difference but bike is still struggling to go over 70mph and I’m 15 stone. Do you think I should put it on a dyno? Bike has covered 650miles. Thanks In advance!

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackmills1274 hi. I take it from your 15 stone that you live in the UK. Have you removed the air blockage in your air boot? That will for sure keep your bike from making any more horse power.

Hey what fuel settings have you noticed works best for your setup? Thx

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

So far 555. Tho it may run a little lean.

@timchiriac7194

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung oh ok I've been running 567 I think I like it, my fuel economies a little worse but not bad

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

How’s your spark plug look?

@timchiriac7194

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung I haven't checked it yet

So you ended up with 555 map5 settings? Sir?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, tho I am planning on messing with the low end at some point

Just installed my Vortex and cuts fuel after 3 seconds! cannot figure out why!

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Fuel line plugged ALL the way in? Tilt switch in the right orientation? "Choke" off?

@mca4060

3 жыл бұрын

Mine did the same. Did you get this fixed? What steps did you take?

No vortex for a CRF250F, also no yoshi exhaust map on a power commander. If if anyone has ECU info, please comment below.

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Anybody?

@mcb2606

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung btw, love the vids John! Thank you!

What ECM setting did you end up going with?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

The torque heavy load #3 usually.

@flash1034

4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your videos John. Thanks for making them.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@flash1034 You're welcome. As a total introvert I still feel weird.

Does the fuel tank have to come off to install the vortex??

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Sure does.

@cliftondugan5295

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung I guess ima have to do it then. Was just hoping there might be an easier way. I’ll have to take it out and put the stock one in if any warranty work is ever needed

hi, did it clean up off idle/stalling issues?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

It fixed the flame out that could happen when shifting and the off idle twitchiness for sure. Stalling? It's still a four stroke thumper so if you lug it it's gonna die.

@jamescox4823

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTYoung rekluse will fix stalling, i just hate off idle herky / jerky fueling

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamescox4823 Ah, yes. The Vortex will fix the on / off switch feeling of the throttle.

@DouglasKphoto

4 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I just got my 450 and it’s a bummer. I hope it fixes that problem. Can you use the ECU on a stock setup? Thanks

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@DouglasKphoto Yes you can. Map #0.

Whats the top speed with vortex ?

@JohnTYoung

2 жыл бұрын

The Vortex pushes the rev limiter a few hundred RPM higher, but the limiter is still the factor that shuts the bike down. Gearing will make a bigger difference. Either way, call it 90 to 98 MPH.

90% sure you put the rubber mount on the vortex backwards 😉

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

Totally did. But don't tell anyone.

@jamesstewart9970

3 жыл бұрын

lol no worries, mine will be here tue along with the full Yoshimura exhaust, I can’t wait! How many mile you up to now on yours and have you had to adjust the valves yet?

@JohnTYoung

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesstewart9970 14000 miles and no, no real valve adjustments. Still just purring along.

@jamesstewart9970

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome man, hopefully mine will make it that long, I’m leaning towards a supermoto with mine but will definitely be keeping my factory wheels just incase.

Maybe don't throw the Power Commander away and maybe try combine the 2 together you might get some better results👍 I got better results with the vortex and fuel controller and booster plug I'm getting close to at least 50 horsepower

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Mind blown.

@adrian1978mo

4 жыл бұрын

If you turn down the trim on 3,3,3 On the vortex It's basically like having the stock ECU The only difference is the timing It's what's making the vortex unique Map 2 map 5 are the best for the yoshi

@adrian1978mo

4 жыл бұрын

Try it out and make a review about it With the Power Commander you'll be back Tricking the injector To give it more fuel when you need it Instead of buying the programmer for the vortex You can fine tune your Power Commander through the computer😉✌

@mikegrist1396

4 жыл бұрын

Hey John great video. I noticed the rubber boot around the vortex is installed backwards.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikegrist1396 Crap. I did have a bit of a time getting it to go on. That's what I get for trying to talk and work at the same time. Thanks for the heads up. I'll flip it around next time I'm digging around under the seat. Which is always. ;)

How much is the vortex ecu

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Around $700. You can find them for a little less if you look and are patient.

I just ordered the vortex ECU hope it’s worth it was $700

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

Totally worth it. You’re going to love it.

@deadahead8701

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young I just installed the vortex. It’s amazing I love it!, what’s your take on the Tokyo mods map switch for the handle bars?

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@deadahead8701 I am embarrassed to say I haven't played with the mapping yet. If there's a HUGE difference between maps then it may be a good idea. If it's just a little or no difference then no. So I guess it's time we switch around to all the maps and see what's what.

@deadahead8701

4 жыл бұрын

John T. Young yea I’ve run it in the “most power on dyno mode” I have a full fmf system and a twin air filter, an just installed it tonight but my next day off I’m going to play with the settings, I do a lot of tight single track so I need to try out the trail, I’ll let u know how much of a difference in power between maps.

@JohnTYoung

4 жыл бұрын

@@deadahead8701 Thank you. We are about to get a foot of snow so I may be grounded until I can dig out.