Too bad they didn't call that edition "Wolfenstein 3DO"...

@Middcore

4 жыл бұрын

Missed opportunity! Regerts.

@user-uf4qr7os4s

4 жыл бұрын

What about 3DO OM

@Dosgamert

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, was asking myself the same thing.

@karlandersson4350

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-uf4qr7os4s DOOM3D "Doomed" could have worked too...allthough not sure people could speak 1337 then. :p

@user-uf4qr7os4s

3 жыл бұрын

@@karlandersson4350 i think 1337 became widespread in the early 00's and had a short revival in the 2010's but i guess people with common sense could make it out even back then ;D

I like that Clint is seeming to address us as Blerbs.

@ahandsomefridge

4 жыл бұрын

That's cool, I always felt like a blerb anyway

@guyshafor1320

4 жыл бұрын

We're not tho?

@KingLich451

4 жыл бұрын

im blerb.

That moment when the light went off, made the video way more cosy!

LGR Blerbs: Playing console ports of PC games on a PC with a console card

@adamweb

4 жыл бұрын

We can go deeper, we have the technology! On an emulator inside a virtual machine...

@666lordofdestruction

4 жыл бұрын

This is getting closer to Druaga1 madness. Love it.

@joenyland4833

4 жыл бұрын

@@666lordofdestruction I miss those days of Druaga1 😔

This card is massively impressive for Windows 3.1. It did not have any market sense, but it's utterly fascinating.

Really enjoying blerbs! Keep 'em coming!

@fensoxx

4 жыл бұрын

Not that I don't love the main channel but yeah this channel reminds of of the balls original 10 years ago

@jonathaningram8157

3 жыл бұрын

At first I didn't sub to that channel because I thought it was gonna be boring. I don't know why i thought that. This channel is also amazing.

Speaking of 3DO ports of id games, there’s actually a really good source port of 3DO Doom by Darragh Coy called Phoenix Doom, since Rebecca Heinemann released the source code in 2014. It plays the original 3DO disc image with improved lighting and in 60 FPS. And of course, the music is fantastic.

Never in a million years would I have predicted my dirty little secret would be watching these videos about computers I owned in the 90s.

It's a vertical sync signal that's missing if you don't have the passthrough; the start of the vertical scan for the Win98 machine is going to be randomly different than the start of the 3DO's vertical scan. The sync signal lets the card synchronize the vertical scans. That torn screen that you showed is telltale.

@ColdestLivewire

4 жыл бұрын

VGA has both vsync and hsync, there isn't really a reason it couldn't use those

@CoverMechanic

4 жыл бұрын

Melted Spades The digital video data is available via the feature connector. Much cheaper and more reliable to monitor that digital data for the “choma key” color values and simply switch between the two analog signals from the VGA and 3DO outputs than it would be to sample the analog VGA output with an expensive fast ADC. This is why the chroma key still appears to work even when the analog VGA cable is unplugged - it’s getting the mask data from the feature connector, and presumably the syncs as well.

@iroll

4 жыл бұрын

​@@CoverMechanic If you run the vid at quarter speed slow-mo you can see the win98 picture banding across the 3DO picture. Or has the whole screen refresh changed frequency, so that it's out of sync with his camera now? I'm definitely interested and keeping an eye on the comments for an alternate explanation for the tearing.

@eDoc2020

4 жыл бұрын

The horizontally skewed picture is a sign of horizontal sync at a slightly different speed. If only vertical were off you would have a picture rolling up or down but perfectly straight. The reason we see intelligible results at all is because the video timings are super close.

@sandman9601

4 жыл бұрын

@@eDoc2020 I think this is the answer. The video clocks on the two systems are super close, but not quite the same. Generally, each video mode has a small range of supported frequencies to allow for variations in hardware timings. That's probably what's going on here, just a difference of a few kHz or so. When in the same system, they derive from the same clock, so there's no skew. Just a theory though.

In the mid 90's I had a TV tuner card by Philips also using this overlay thechnique. Its amazing that many solutions back then used this to lay over the standard VGA signal and doing their special thing.

@KabelkowyJoe

4 жыл бұрын

Worth to mention Amiga 2000 Video Toaster but doing it over analog video signal and switching between two and adding some high quality video effects. They could literally use it up until 2000 and possibly even further before HDTV was introduced

@meetoo594

4 жыл бұрын

The old Haupage winTV tv tuner card i had also used a VGA pass-through to overlay via chromakey iirc.

@ColtGColtG

3 жыл бұрын

Not that amazing really. the Idea was by doing those all in one cards was they figured it would make it easier for people to buy them since theoretically almost any newer computer on the market should be able to handle it since all the work is done on the card and not the computer. The problem was that becasue they were essentially a seperate computer they cost so much that generally only people who would have a high end computer could probably afford them

@meetoo594

3 жыл бұрын

@@KabelkowyJoe pity it was so closely tied to the NTSC standard. An official PAL/SECAM version would have sold very well in Europe.

You were absolutely clear on the original video. Many people just don't pay attention.

@Astfgl

4 жыл бұрын

Many people also don’t really understand how PC hardware works or have the imagination to see all the various odd things you can do with it.

The story of that Doom port sure is something, it's amazing she even got it to work *at all* given the tiny amount of development time. Cool to see that Wolfenstein got the proper port it deserved.

@TrollDecker

4 жыл бұрын

Tiny amount of dev time _and_ complete and utter obliviousness of the guy who handed her the job IIRC. >.

@IanC14

4 жыл бұрын

For some reason I find her nickname (Burger Becky) to be pretty damn funny… just me then?

@l9day

4 жыл бұрын

What, I've got pictures of the new guns right here. Don't you just put them into the game? it's easy right?

Man I hope you‘re doing content of any kind for many many years. Freakin love your voice and the style you show the weirdest stuff. Thanks man, I mean really ❤️

@LGRBlerbs

4 жыл бұрын

Been going for over eleven years now, no plans on stopping :)

@ahandsomefridge

4 жыл бұрын

Ha. I remember old LGR. Or rather young LGR.

"I want to be able to play videogames at my work and I could put in a purchase order request and nobody would ever know..." The Guy who invented this

This was such a fun video to watch, im really happy you continue to make these videos as there a treat to watch :)

That's the first time I've seen a version of Wolfenstein 3D with a CD Soundtrack :-o ! I'm surprised the version on PC has never been given that "updated" Soundtrack.

Really enjoying LGR Blerbs

LGR, I was googling and saw you midnight loops come up on twitter, I don't use much social media but I figured I'd let you know here. Man, I bet a lot of us here would love a rundown of your set up, I never knew you were a music guy like that man.

Man, the 3do Blaster! Such a great card. Wolfenstein 3d on the 3do was by far my favorite console port of Wolfenstein of that era. I loved the 90 levels and new music and sfx. Such a great version. So sad Rebecca wasn't given the time or resources to make the Doom port the 3do truly deserved. Such an underrated system. Excellent blerb, Clint!

@tempestfury8324

4 жыл бұрын

The PC shareware version of Wolfenstein 3d was great! The 3do didn't add anything that the PC already had. FMV games? Rebel Assault? Road Rash? All covered. The 3do had 300+ games versus the thousands available on PC. The entire concept of this is stupid. Did X-wing come out on the 3do?

I loved that interplay intro

Omg that interplay intro brings back some memories.

At one time, back in the 90s, I had 4 devices daisy chained through VGA passthrough cables. Voodoo2 > Voodoo2 > MPEG decoder card (for DVD playback ) > Matrox Millennium II 2D card. Seems crazy now, but was kind of awesome back then.

@IanC14

4 жыл бұрын

Surely that caused a degradation in video quality?

@gctechs

4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that you didn't need to connect the video passthrough to the second Voodoo2 in the SLI configuration.

@StariusPrime

4 жыл бұрын

gctechs That’s how the original Voodoo SLI worked. Card one did the top half of the screen and card 2 did the bottom half. Neither card did 2D, they were purely 3D acceleration. That part LGR talked about with chroma keying? That’s how these worked too, all over VGA overlaying. I actually listed the cards in reverse. It started with your 2D card, passing a VGA out to a voodoo vga in, then that vga out to another vooodoo vga in, then that vga out to a monitor. (I had my mpeg card in there somewhere too)

@StariusPrime

4 жыл бұрын

🏳️‍🌈 Lillian Charles 🏳️‍⚧️ Technically, you would think so. But it really was not noticeable back then if there was. Keep in mind, this was in a era of 800x600 - 1024x768 resolution environments.

@gctechs

4 жыл бұрын

​@@StariusPrime Yes, but with the SLI configuration there was only one VGA passthrough cable, the cards themselves were connected by the flat bridging cable, similar to the floppy ribbon cable, but of course much shorter.

5:00 LOL.. "Ran outta battery. Screw that. Who cares?" Oh, LGR, you crack me up.

@moosemaimer

4 жыл бұрын

effort? what do you think this is, a main channel video? all you 90's slackers out there... just stay put.

One of the coolest add-ons ever created, I dreamed about it back in the day and saved money to buy one. In the end I just bought a 3DO console (an FZ-10) because It was cheaper than the card itself plus the CD-ROM reader!! (that were pretty expensive too). What an amazing era!

This was a good Blurb! Very interesting.

Oh man, that classic Interplay introduction.

I love the Blurbs!!!

So basically the feature connector provides genlocking to the 3do blaster. Neat

Maybe i'm just too tech nerdy but i understood immediately what this was and how the passthrough worked from your video

I definitely need this along with a CD-i/PC 2.0 in the same computer.

Looks like the internal connector handles all the signal masking and sizing, that's why you could see black menus and the cursor from 3.1

I have a Packard Bell TV tuner ISA card that uses a lot of the same techniques this 3DO card uses. Has the same VESA connector that goes to the video card. Bit of a weird device, but it works!

It's amazing this thing was even produced! By 1993/94 I thoroughly enjoyed PC games like X-wing, Alone in the Dark, Panzer General, Dark Sun, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, etc. Why would I buy this for $400 and need a Panasonic CD drive??? Fascinating that the sold any of these! Now if someone had created a cartridge based unit to play Super Nintendo or Genesis games on your PC, I would have gobbled that up (LGR Foods?) in a heartbeat!

I like the look better with the light out.

"Greetings Blerbs". This should be an official greeting form from now on.

@charlesgurley7030

4 жыл бұрын

I too enjoy being called a blerb

The original release of Wolfenstein on 3DO actually had a game breaking bug that would cause the game to crash every time after level 30 or 31. Interplay had to recall the game and issue a fixed version. DOOM for 3DO was a train wreck from the get go. Logicware was told that there was a source code for 3DO, and the publisher literately held up a floppy of the PC version. After getting in contact with id, they were given a copy of the source code for the PC and Jaguar versions. Ultimately the Jaguar version was used. The publisher had no clue what they were doing in fact they were wanting to include new weapons and live action cut scenes. One of the costumes was actually featured on an issue of GameFan. Yeah, the 3DO port was made in 10 weeks, but at least one good thing is the killer soundtrack. I recommend checking out the video Burgertime 7/12/2015: DOOM 3DO since it goes into deep detail of the madness and stress of the making of the game.

God damn, the 3DO version of wolfenstein looks so good. Those high resolution textures are just hmmm

This is similar to how Creative's dxr2 PC DVD player worked with its hardware MPEG-2 decoder card, doing a VGA pass-through to overlay the decoded video onto the desktop signal. As far as I recall, it didn't make use of the feature connector like the 3DO Blaster and instead got its sync via the VGA signal itself.

@KabelkowyJoe

4 жыл бұрын

These MPEG decoding cards overclocked, later on became Transmeta Crusoe TM5600, TM5800 1GHz just DDR controler added exosting SDR and connected to south bridge trough PCI witch killed their performance so much it was impossible to even MPEG1 video on fool screen.. so iroinic :)

@KabelkowyJoe

4 жыл бұрын

Full screen.. omg :)

@eDoc2020

4 жыл бұрын

@@KabelkowyJoe Wait, the Crusoe is based on MPEG cards? I'm skeptical, do you have any supporting info? Also, I'm quite sure I can watch fullscreen video on my thin client which has a 733MHz TM5800 for a CPU. I could pull it out and try it, but I'm too lazy.

@SimonQuigley

3 жыл бұрын

The voodoo 3dfx did this too, it didn't need the feature connector

@KabelkowyJoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimonQuigleyBut 3dfxs did that by simply switching inputs could not display 3D in window but only at full screen. Dxr2 could just like 3DO shown here - LGR kzread.info/dash/bejne/c6Gc08abmpPcoLQ.html

On an Amiga I'd call the internal connector the genlock effectively. In this case it seems like genlock plus overlay masking information.

Awesomeneesss that i always wanted to have :D

To clear my name here, I was saying what IF we had Bleem-on-a-card lol but I still love this concept!

I remember the blaster video! Lol just subbed to lgr blurbs I wasn’t aware it was a channel

If you had a twitch channel playing retro games with your usual history behind various things would be a cool thing to see!

LGR Blerbs; Answering the questions I forgot to ask... :P

Rebecca had no time on Dooms port as i remember. I think she actually did really well with the time alotted though apparently..

It's a weird thing to me that people don't know how these VGA passthroughs work. They were kind of common around the time of late Windows 3.1 and during Windows 95's lifetime. My very first DVD drive (it was not a writer, not even of CDs) was a Creative branded one. I do not remember the model, but back then PCs were simply not powerful enough to decode DVD files in real time so it came with a card that had to be installed and used with a VGA passthrough. The little passthrough cable was called a "shunt" in the manual. And yea, the card did all of the decoding of the DVD and it used basically 0% CPU power or RAM so you could technically keep the movie playing in a small corner of the screen while you played a game or something. It was wild. Oh, and it didn't have any internal connections besides the CD audio cable, but that connected to the sound card and not the decoder card.

I remember from your original video that a Mac version was supposedly under consideration. The main issue would be the ISA form factor. Now considering the year, 1994, it makes perfect since as PCI had only just begun to appear whereas ISA slots were as far as the eye could see. If this had come out a little later, where building it into a PCI form factor would have made more since, then making it Mac-compatible would have been only a matter of writing drivers for it. Having said all that, as neat an idea as it was, I doubt Creative made even a quarter of their development costs back on the original version (sad as that is for such a neat idea.)

The thing that is really strange to me is the way that it uses the VGA signal to do compositing itself, but based on your demo, it decides which scanlines (and where within each one) to substitute video based on the contents of the screen buffer (as you demonstrate by unplugging the VGA cable and showing the ghost of the mouse and menus occluding the 3DO), rather than doing color-keying based on the video signal. I’m sure there are engineering reasons for this but the design that uses two separate inputs describing the same data but in two separate ways is surprising.

I don’t know if your clarification clarified much of the butter. The Sega CD NV1 basically adds a piece of hardware that Saturn developers would know intimately (the NV1 aka the graphics of Saturn) to the PC thus minimizing the effort needed to port Saturn games to PC. The 3DO card is basically putting an entire console on a PC Card that runs all the games. It goes from a single commonality to entirety

I thought I knew exactly what was going on, and then you pulled the pass-through cable, but still had remnants of the overlay. That crashed my brain until you mentioned there being a feature connector link as well. But that begs the question - why use both? The feature connector should give the 3DO access to the VGA card’s frame buffer. It could write directly to memory and have the VGA DAC output the analog signal without the need for chromakey or video mixing. I have heard that the feature connector is limited to a 256 color palette, but I have Pentium II with a Voodoo 5 and a Creative DXR2 MPEG decoder connected by the feature connector (no VGA cable between them), and it works in high color modes. Doesn’t look like 8-bit paletized video...

I’m more confused than ever on what 3DO is. Anyway keep the blerbs coming.

@Zizzily

4 жыл бұрын

The 3DO is an old video game console, so you could basically take everything Clint says and replace it with PS1 and it would be basically the same. There just wasn't ever a PS1 available as an add-in card.

You have to be careful with some later video cards, because they started dropping the feature connector support, even those with the pin header attached.

I really wish you cover an Ati All in Wonder card and all its cool features!

Yeah, I wouldn't expect the signal from the other computer to work, hsync and vsync will be completely off without another way to lock them together. Pins 11 and 12 of the feature connector provide those two sync signals, I expect that's what it's mostly being used for.

Does anyone else get nostalgic seeing Windows 3.1 on a CRT?

Wow, Rebecca Heineman's name coming up twice in one day. I'm friends with her wife; though we don't talk often we did have a conversation today in which she was mentioned.

@adamsfusion

4 жыл бұрын

If you talk to her again soon, let her know that her wife has some really big fans that admire her work to this day.

Kind of like the 32X. Genesis creates some sprites, passes the video to the 32X, and then more sprites are added to create the final image. If you remove the 32X from the chain you get just the parts handled by the Genesis.

The 3do logo reminds me of setting up chromecast

@benanderson89

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, huh, it totally is a Chromecast startup.

Inception level: Deeeeeper

Great 👍

3:15 reminds me of that Windows 9x maze screensaver

Thing I was focusing on in this video was that MUSIC in Wolfenstein! I didn't know 3DO version had its own OST.

@Dosgamert

4 жыл бұрын

I love the avatar.

Clint, you sound more interested (and it is also more interesting for most of us I think) on LGR Blerbs than LGR; for me it's like, Clint is back, am I the only one who prefers these blerbs to the new LGR videos?

this channel way better then the other guy who running the channel named LGR something.....lol!

Bleeeeerb!

I'm pretty sure there's also Famiclones on ISA cards, as well. The cartridge slot would go into one of your front drive bays. Not too sure how the video output would work, though.

Blerbs is basically older LGR content that's new, and it's exactly what I was missing. Can you make this your new main channel please? 😁

Now you gotta do a blurb on how the Saturn one works lol

The New Media Graphics Super Video Windows product lines used the same passthrough for their video integration.

Good evening @LGR I was wondering where did you get your scart to vga for the supergun?

But you should also be able to run the 3DO card onto one monitor and the VGA card onto another, so you can play games on one while doing serious work on the other!

Anybody wondering about the 3DO and its adventure with Doom, you should watch DF Retro's videos on Doom ports. It's pretty fascinating.

oh Gateway, I remember the last time I saw that name was buying a complete Gateway desktop and installing an ATI card so I could play Battlefield 2 when it was released.

Clint talking... *Screams from the game in background*

Ah Wolfenstein 3D; shoot a stormtrooper, shoot his dog, eat a chicken dinner, drink a pool of blood, find some treasure, find a better weapon, get thoroughly creeped out and then eventually find the secret level where things got even weirder. And all on a 486 sx 20 running DOS 6.0 Those were the days, for sure.

Lgr blerbs: a more non advanced version of LGR

@NathanChisholm041

4 жыл бұрын

More like a downgrade! I prefer his full LGR videos. I think he's running out off ideas!

@o9mb

4 жыл бұрын

@@NathanChisholm041 Yeah its true

@Hepglon

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's running out of ideas, otherwise he wouldn't be uploading in line with his regular schedule on the main channel. I think COVID is giving him more time to show things he wouldn't normally be able to and he's uploading them here

@NathanChisholm041

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hepglon true but to be honest he doesn't seem to have the same energy he used to when he first started! Or maybe I'm just nuts🤣

@DustenRust

4 жыл бұрын

​@@NathanChisholm041 I think his main channel is great but he constantly upped the quality of those videos imo, and as far as Clint goes, I think that takes a toll. He actually started with content similar to Blerbs. Just him showing weird stuff and having fun with it. My guess is that he might be feeling confined by his main channel's growth and change of format over the years. Blerbs is just a way for him to express his... less edited side and have fun making videos again. (not saying his main videos are not fun but I imagine it takes a toll to do all that within those confinements and with much more editing involved). So yeah, it might be a downgrade to his older style of video making, but in my book, it's an upgrade, because Blerbs gives us a change to enjoy the old-type of content without the fluff, and we know for sure he's having fun with this type of loose content.

i had an ISA TV-card that worked similar

Sad to see the decline of Creative Labs. There heyday was when PCs needed a dedicated sound card. Once souncards became integrated into motherboards, buying a sepoarate one was a thing of the past. Except if you wanted a high end one or professional use. 3DO Blaster. Now thats a blast from the past. Much like in the early days, needing an MPEG-2 decoder card to play DVDs on your PC. Before the technology was integrated into video cards.

It would have been neat to see a game written where you needed both a PC and the 3DO card. With a lot of grunt work off loaded off you could really push the 486!

@Blackadder75

4 жыл бұрын

The 3do card doesn't use the pc cpu at all, so you can't write a game for it. You would first have to design a completely new card

Blerb Squad, assemble!

@nucflashevent

4 жыл бұрын

Your comment reminds me of that episode of "Family Guy" where Peter goes to war against the Amish; They construct a barn and hide inside so he hits it with a bazooka. They immediately construct a new barn and all hide inside, LOL 😁

Before you send that back, you should totally do some RetroRGB style input lag testing! How else will we know how responsive it id compared to a normal 3do ;) I only half kid though, that would be interesting to see!

I don't think it's your fault necessarily if people were confused, the mindshare is very emulation heavy now that the idea of native graphics rendering with hardware isn't thought about as much anymore even though it was mandatory in the past. Take for example mobile device reviews, a lot of focus on emulation speeds per platform, no talk about what it can do given a graphics engine made for the hardware itself.

Well, compared to the original Wolfenstein 3D us cool MS-DOS people like, this is something completely else. Plays with a controller, follows the "The Second Encounter" episodes (first seen on the SNES, later MacPlay & Atari Jaguar), which are 30 levels loosely based on 30 of the original floors, it has a flamethrower and a rocket launcher as bonus and they have even added the original 60 floors... I finished this game on 5 different consoles and I have full-playthroughs on them on my channel. If you want you can check them out, they're in FullHD/60FPS ofcourse, because good gameplay of the 3DO port of Wolf3D is almost nowhere to be found. I even did a full livestream on this game, where I'd compare it to the original levels too.

Was that a shortcut for San Francisco Rush on Windows 98, or am I just crazy? If so, I didn't know a version existed for PC.

@Spikehead777

3 жыл бұрын

I would like to know, too. Edit: That very much looks like a shortcut for San Francisco Rush. I am now *very* interested about it now.

My first disk based console was a 3DO . And then I switched and went to a Playstation just because where I lived it was almost impossible to find games for the 3DO.

@Notacka

2 жыл бұрын

Same!

3dfx and creative dxr2 decoder card works with overlay without internal connector? Or do they do handle the genlock within the device itself?

So I assume that you can't use the 3D0 blaster on a dedicated external screen like the Mac DOS/PC cards?

behind me in the shelf there is the 3DO Blaster but i need to take some time to figure out how to install the card and what old hardware i need for it. Are there any good sources where to start? I have plenty of old machines here, so i have a lot of hardware to test it but don't know where to start.

MS should consider making an XBox card for PCs

I'm guessing the Feature Connector isn't just ensuring that the two sources are running at the same speed and resolution. But that it also jam-syncs the signals so that first line is the first line if every frame on both sources. Otherwise you have very little chance to get that sync going just by sheer luck when you insert that third source. The lines may be going the correct speed. But they'll be off-set so the image gets scrambled when combined. Maybe a crafty technician could build something that can manually adjust the off-set. Like tracking on old vcr's. Wait, no.... The vga cable itself could probably transmit the necessary sync signals. Hm... Dangit. Thought I had something there.

So it's literally a 3DO on a card. None of the game data is sent through the ISA port except for settings? Basically using the ISA as power and config?

@medes5597

4 жыл бұрын

You got it.

@KabelkowyJoe

4 жыл бұрын

Well no,not just config, its used to transfer game also. ISA so forget about DMA? All data demands CPU droven maybe im wrong. If ISA was DMA capable it could read data from CDROM itself

@medes5597

4 жыл бұрын

@@KabelkowyJoe from the documents posted online it takes the absolute minimum it can from the ISA slot and actually ignores completely/dumps some of what the ISA offers up to it. It's as close as something can get to using ISA for power alone. It's really interesting. Search it up for the plans and teardown that documents it. It literally is basically using the computer for as little as it can.

@jbit

4 жыл бұрын

@@KabelkowyJoe The CD drive plugs into the 3DO card itself. The only thing going through the ISA bus is config and the weird input emulation thing it can do.

@eDoc2020

4 жыл бұрын

@@KabelkowyJoe ISA cards can use DMA, this is an essential part of the Sound Blaster's PCM playback. However, this is host-managed DMA and different from PCI bus-mastering (ISA cards can also do some bus mastering but this is rare).

I guess Super Game Boy to SNES works like that. It has a true Gameboy chips and image outputs throught cardrigde's connector to Snes with border.

I thought my FZ-1 was hot shit with road rash, crash n burn, quarantine, and wolf 3D, but then I saw Dark Forces on my friend’s new pentium and I instantly knew I’d screwed up asking for a 3DO. Still loved the system but I made the jump to PC when the next gen came around.

So the VGA pass through does the same thing that the AV cable that connects the 32X to the Genesis does, allows the 32X to overlay on the Genesis video output. (Or is it the other way around? Lol) That's pretty sweet though, the other cable is literally just a clock, that syncs the two together. I never really thought about it before, but now you mention it, it makes sense. You lost me a bit originally with the chroma part, but in essence that's just creating a "Green Screen" for the displays.

@lupinzar

4 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing about the 32X while watching. If I remember correctly the video can be ordered either way.

So.. You passthrough the 2d card to the voodoo and then through this. Any more cards to add?:)

Aww yes 20th comment I've always wanted a 3do and that thing looks cool

Where did you even get a 3-DO blaster because I can’t find one online anywhere

@LGRBlerbs

4 жыл бұрын

All thanks to a generous LGR viewer! Only borrowing it though.

@kei_nishimaru

4 жыл бұрын

Oh it’s simple: Steal a time machine and take a sports book with you to make lodsofemone. Still not working? Steal/Buy one.

@wohlhabendermanager

4 жыл бұрын

@@LGRBlerbs "Borrowing it". I understand. ;)

@Astfgl

4 жыл бұрын

Privileges of being a popular tech KZreadr. These cards are extremely rare and extremely expensive if you find one, so you should probably not bother.

@fontende

4 жыл бұрын

It's a gold nugget in hardware terms!😱🤑😋

That's amazing, I've never seen anything use the VESA feature connector until now. I guess it fell out of favor by the time I got Creative's DVD decoder card which had no such internal connection, but used the VGA chroma key passthrough overlay trick as well.

@TheGreatCodeholio

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently related to the VESA feature connector was a similar feature for laptops with PCMCIA slots called the Zoomed Video port. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoomed_video_port

If i had to guess, the vsync signal is identical, but out of phase.

@mirabilis

4 жыл бұрын

It should not be THAT out of phase.

@nickwallette6201

4 жыл бұрын

It seems that, despite having sync from the VGA cable, it doesn’t use it. It’s slaving to the feature connector sync signals instead, which despite being at “60Hz” as well, aren’t going to be 100% locked (no two independent digital clocks ever are), and only coincidentally in phase for a brief moment as one laps the other.

@rich1051414

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickwallette6201 I would assume the screen would have a constant vertically diagonal sheer tear moving left or right, as well as a single horizontal tear moving up or down, but what I see is far worse than my assumptions. Something else seems to be going on besides purely a sync issue. I think the card is dynamically altering the v/h sync for some reason.

@nickwallette6201

4 жыл бұрын

Hm, well you can see the screen rolling from the vsync mismatch. The mess of random gray and white could be from the monitor trying to set the black level during the front porch of every line to what should be 0V on the RGB lines, but is actually pixel data.

@malbeth8700

4 жыл бұрын

@LGR Blerbs Looks like the in-PC connection is used to created a mask, which is why you see black shapes for the mouse cursor and pop-up menus. And that mask is used to draw parts of the PC video output around and over the 3D0 video output, so even if the Win98 output rendered correctly, it wouldn't align with the mask and it would look frozen, like you wouldn't be able to see Win98 mouse cursor move since the one on Win 3.1 wouldn't move in sync and that's the one it uses to produce the cut-out for the pass-through...

Should've shown the direct output of the VGA card without the passthrough. That 3DO player window would just show the keyed color then, right?