Are you implying that we haven’t had the perfect big brother player in the one and only meatball himself. Josh Martinez

@TreverBeast

2 жыл бұрын

Hate to tell you this, but anyone who received 3 eviction votes, therefore didn't play perfectly.

@kool9uy218

2 жыл бұрын

@@TreverBeast its a joke

@jacobymatt1767

2 жыл бұрын

@@TreverBeast r/wooosh

@TreverBeast

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobymatt1767 Not a bad subreddit.

@loganarnoldkicks4321

2 жыл бұрын

King 🤴

One factor you didn't mention that I think is very important is Jury management

@basketballnoah

2 жыл бұрын

I think that ties into social game, but could be its own category forsure

@ScoobyFan0521

2 жыл бұрын

@@basketballnoah I would say its close to social game but very distinct, I immediately think of Paul in BB19 he had an amazing social game and complete control of the house but he didn't manage the jury well at all

@superawesomeperson839

2 жыл бұрын

I think jury management is a sub category in the social game Edit: with that being said, I would have the jury management of either Cody (22 duh), Derrick, or Kevin (bbcan10), as the best jury management

@Dylanssss

2 жыл бұрын

@@superawesomeperson839 not kevin bbcan 10 just because he was behind jace in peoples wanting player to win. Like how Derrick had everyone wanting him to win over everyone. Kevin was behind jace

@superawesomeperson839

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dylanssss ok yeah. Kevin was behind one person in the endgame. Even though he was never going to final 2 with her. I can’t give Kevin number one for this. But of Cody and Derrick, who’s jury management was better. I’d say Derrick beats everybody in his final 6, but he can’t beat Nicole (who got 7th). Cody could definitely beat anybody in his final 5. It depends on if he can beat Tyler. If he does beat Tyler he beats everybody in his final 9 (maybe even higher). I do think Cody does beat Tyler. Cody would probably get the votes of Davonne, Kevin, David, Dani, Nicole, and Enzo. So I think that means Cody is the GOAT at jury management.

I feel like BB14 Britney Haynes's social game is underrated. She was easily set to win the season with just how well she set herself up with Ian, Danielle, and Shane all considered her their number 1 or number 2. Dan openly said he feared just how great Britney was doing and that he needed to take her out when he did or else he would not be able to evict her. Which is the big reason he did the funeral (outside of saving himself and all).

@khntou4178

2 жыл бұрын

people also tend to forget how much of a comp beast she was as she ended 12. 1 HOH and 3 POV - one of the best comp statistics for female players at her time. And then she completely ruins her average on 14 lmao.

@zk6231

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. So underrated and so fun! She should have replaced Tyler as one of the social player options, especially given how horribly he did socially in the end game.

@billiejane1172

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. For me she has one of the best social games ever. And she’s verrryyy smart. She caught on to the coaches entering the game in like week 2 of 14.

@coherentramblings7326

Жыл бұрын

The fact that she convinced Frank to not nominate Ian even though he already had the second veto still blows my mind and would probably be one of the seasons highlights if not for the fact that it was done in the same week as Dan’s funeral

@Jack-jx6ln

2 ай бұрын

Tbf "being easily set to win" with 8 people left doesn't really mean a ton considering how much game there still is left

I now want a completely inverted version of this video with the exact same categories but for the worst possible player. Edited: Upon thinking about it, here are my picks Physical: Kevin (19) Social: Willie Strategic: Jacob Intelligence: Kaitlyn (20) On the spot thinking: James (17, 18) Approachability: Cody (19) Clutchness: Rockstar Endurance: Steve (17) Threat Management: Devon Coolness on the block: Britni (23) Fan appeal: Aaryn X Factor: Travis

@B3ELOV3DRENN

Ай бұрын

I thought james was good

Vanessa at the top of almost every category.

The only reason Xavier wasn't fretting when on the block was because he had the Cookout. If it wasn't for the Cookout, he definitely would've been frightened.

Two categories: Ruthlessness and social manipulation You must be willing to do anything to win even if that means betraying your alliance members and I would pick Dan Gheesling. You must also be able to manipulate people into doing what’s best for you while also being able to tell if people are lying to you. For that one I pick Paul Abrahamian

I think you need ability to eat cereal, Matt from BB19 is my choice herw

I've got one: Flair. A Big Brother player can be liked as a person and as a player, but our perfect player needs to be somebody that makes us want to watch not only them, but Big Brother itself. Somebody that has that flair for the dramatic, a flair for comedy, a flair for unpredictability. Just something that they do that makes you realize "Wow, I kinda love watching Big Brother." My candidates would be Dan, Brittany, Ian, Dr Will, and Janelle. But help me out because these are mostly 14 players. lol

@superawesomeperson839

2 жыл бұрын

I would take away Ian because his bb22 appearance was not too entertaining to say the least. Kevin from bbcan10 literally is this. I’d like to mention Venessa too. I would definitely narrow it down to Janelle, Dan, and Kevin. I think Janelle is the best option though

@acf5980

2 жыл бұрын

Janelle for flair for sure!!!

A factor I think is pretty relevant is being calm, not only on the block but in general even if somebody is yelling and trying to get in a fight and that could probably go to taylor this season, might be recency bias but she stayed super calm on the block and being calm after being yelled at by Daniel, she hasn't even raised her voice once in the house that i can think of

Should have put a category for goodbye message communication so you could talk about best player ever Josh Martinez

For the Endurance portion I’d like to point out Dani Donato! Can’t forget about her wall comp wins in bb13 and bb22. Granted, Rachel didn’t play the wall comp in 13, so who knows who would win.

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

True Dani would also be a great contender can’t believe she slipped my mind!

@benconover2227

2 жыл бұрын

@CMC me too. her exit on all stars was funny

@shahil574

2 жыл бұрын

Love Dani Donato!

For “calmness on the block”, it’s got to be Dr. Will or Johnny Mac. Dr. Will threw competitions for fun (or, more accurately, luxuries) and used his save me speech (that he didn’t need to use btw because the other nominee won the veto) to a house of all-stars he couldn’t think of one redeeming quality any of them possessed, that he hated all of them, and to please vote him out (to which they responded by laughing like it was the funniest joke they had ever heard and voting to unanimously keep him). Johnny Mac spent so much time on the block, it may as well have been a second home. There was 16 evictions and he was in the house for 15 of them; of those, there were only FIVE total evictions where he didn’t touch the block at any point of that week’s process. “Pawns” have, historically, been anything but with one, glaring exception that proves the rule.

Love the respect for Vanessa, I feel like most people underrate her. Great videos!

I think a fun idea would be players who the producers didn't notice and have to drastically change there edit something like how the producers not thinking Steve's alliance with the twins Austin and vanessa was real and had have them come up with a new name

I know you only limited this to BBUS contestants, but I’d definitely add Kevin Martin’s ability to win mental comps. He’s unbeatable in them.

@americascreepyuncle

2 жыл бұрын

Imagining the Poker game of Venessa Russo vs. Kevin Martin is a very fun head-canon. Imagine if both of them were in one BB house together.

Agree with your takes for the categories mentioned, but it's interesting to see how Derrick, Paul, Danielle Reyes, Dr. Will, Josh Martinez and Janelle, 6 of the best players to play the game don't end up making the cut!

@princehedgehog6523

2 жыл бұрын

I don't see how Josh and Janelle are in the Top 6 over Dan and Vanessa, Josh won maybe I could see him in some list. Janelle is overrated she is not a great player at all she followed Dr. Will most of S7 and had a small chance of winning.

@melodysmith8191

Жыл бұрын

@@princehedgehog6523 no she had a good chance of winning if she wins if she wins the last comp or Erika doesn’t make the boogie deal. Or if she blindsided Boogie which shows her lack of strategy and takes chicken George Erika and will final four

I'm definitely interested in seeing kind of a chart exploring the correlation between each factor and all the winners like a high to low graph, if that makes sense 🤷

Big agree with the X Factor idea, and the comparison to poker, I think it's just like "gamer ability", knowing when to take risks, when to push the gas pedal even though you're already in the lead.

babe wake up new ethanimale

despite him being such an ass, JC is such a severely underrated player

A suggestion I have is what you would do to make BB more fair. For example, decreasing the number of physical competitions or changing the types of physical competitions (Ex. Big D said in an interview that he'd be good at weight lifting). And if you think the game is fair, I'd like you to talk about that as well. I've seen people talk about how with the types of competitions in the game it's easy to pick out the winner of any given season.

Ability to read the house/players: Derrick Ability to manage a jury: Derrick/Steve (Steve is a surprise i know, but he was amazing when it came to jury management and won at the end with 3 votes automatically going against him no matter what he did with the other 6... all of which he got). Ability to form strong relationships: Derrick/Andy/Enzo/IDK? Ability to manipulate others: Eric?

You thought of everything! Every little attribute and category!

I think the clutch competitor was Janelle, no one needed to win as much as she did

Idk what would be the right way of wording this, but maximising the potential to get into the final 2. This might be a combination of things, but I think a lot of people sometimes overlook getting to the final 2 and only think about how they can win the final 2. Someone who is using their threat management to make themselves less of a threat, still able to win a comp in the endgame if needed, able to have at least a few final 2 deals, able to convince someone that another person is a threat.

we all know its Chicken George

steve moses fits many of these categories! so cool

I think Dani should definitely be the endurance pick! She’s won all the ones she played in other than part 3 of bb8 final hoh (which was very physical) and first hoh of bb13 (which they threw to Rachel when I think she would’ve won).

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

Someone just said that and I can’t believe I forgot about her! She definitely would have been one of the choices

@brianregan5933

2 жыл бұрын

The one rebuttal I will give to that is that Dani had the BB22 wall comp thrown to her HARD. Nicole and Cody were doing so much better than her (like, by a mile. Nicole straight up wasn't even struggling and Cody barely was), but the second tyler fell, they literally looked at each other, nodded, and then both just hopped off

@ej9754

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianregan5933 yeah but personally I think Dani wasn’t falling any time soon either she seemed to have the best strategy imo. She said she was making noises bc she was cold not bc she was tired.

Some categories that I would add would be luck, charisma, win equity, and big move potential

@michaelascott1122

2 жыл бұрын

Great video idea!

Hayleigh being considered made my day. I loved her in bb20

I'd like to see a video talking about the downfall of certain players. If that makes sense

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

Like the downfall of the front runners? Paul, Tyler, etc?

@rydermckay6660

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ethanimale exactly. Like, what lead those great players to make it so close but lose. Players like Paul, Vanessa, Diane Henry, & Will in All-Stars

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

@@rydermckay6660 I like this a lot!

@o.o995

2 жыл бұрын

@@rydermckay6660 SUCH A GREAT IDEA! Yes, pls make a video of this @Ethanimale

This is just how I view my own game in my mind

Tiffany from 23’s strategic mind would definitely factor into my perfect player

@dawnbudd

2 жыл бұрын

Not strategic enough when she was the first person to be cut from the Cookout.

Social/Building Bonds (Gameplay/Skill), Strategy (Gameplay/Skill), Endurance (Competition/Skill), Knowledge/Memory (Competition/Skill), Humility (Personality), Luck, Calm Under Pressure (Ability), Threat Management (Skill), Social Awareness (Skill), Manipulation (Ability), Intuition (Trait), Tenacity (Trait), Flexibility (Ability), Risk Taking (Ability), Misting (Skill), Poker Face (Ability), Jury Managing (Skill) and Controlling The Chess Board (Power). These are the pinnacle traits/abilities/skills/gameplay that define my ideal big brother player. Also couldn’t hurt if they were hilarious lol. I didn’t include intelligence because Lane didn’t need it to get 3 votes for him to potentially win in BB12.

I would add a pure charisma category and give it to Dr. Will.

I was thinking of myself playing and I imagine it would be a long time before I’d have a chance at making it on the show. I’m 30 now and was wondering who the oldest winner is, that being Evel Dick when he was 44. That gave me an idea for a video. What will the game look like in 15 years?

I would basically agree with everything. However, I think that Victoria should be chosen for the cool, calm and collected one. I feel you need to at least seem to be excited about your wins. Xavier just stood there like he won and I feel to other people it would seem like you didn’t care

I think jury management, you can be extremely loved in the house and super hated outside of it - just like Josh in BBCAN10 experienced.

Jury management is the only one I can think of

I don’t know what categories there will be, but Josh Martinez is the answer to all of them

Perhaps you considered it for the x-factor, but I think there's one attribute you just can't quantify, but is immensely helpful in anything in life in general. Luck I think our player needs good luck, because luck has caused the downfall of many great players. Of course with enough skill, being unlucky can be counteracted, but what if you never got unlucky in the first place? That would be absolutely incredible and will inevitably show off the most dominating game yet (although I imagine a season with this player will be somewhat boring, since it would be easy for the viewers to see the writing on the wall very easily)

Paul should be on one of those. He had a person with one leg win a comp.he controlled the house but messed up with jury

@barbarabavier675

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. He played in a cruel, bullying way. That shouldn’t be rewarded.

I personally think that Donny should of gotten the fan favorite category

Now use these attributes to create the worst player.

i feel that alex from season 19 is good at comps. both physical and intellectual comps

A combo of dans strategy, wills manipulation and janelles winning

I was waiting for the knowledge of the game/super fan category

First video ever ma without mentioning Josh? Lol… jk… You have the best off season videos on KZread, I loved this concept… I would change the “cool on the block” to Will just because Will didn’t care if he went home, Xavier did… and as far as comp beasts go I would have actually separated it instead of picking Cody as the best “do it all” I would choose Cody for physical/speed, someone like Vanessa maybe for Memory, maybe Ian for puzzles? Rachel for endurance(as you mentioned) know what I mean? Other than that… awesome concept for a video

What about the character assessment of Jun Song?

I would add the metagame knowledge of Kevin Martin from BBCAN5

Next video should be creating the perfect birthday cake 🤪

when it comes to the perfect big brother player, i think the top 2 would have to be hayden and cody

Clutchness missed Janelle

How do you make a video of creating the perfect big brother player and not have a single category for dr will?

Convincing is a big factor, I don't really think it ties with social game. But in my opinion it easily goes to Derrick from BB16 he could flip a vote within hours

Who do you guys think is closest to the perfect player?

You just described Derek F lol

I think you have to put michie above Christian for comp beast

Whats the name of the song at the beginning?

X factor has to be Derrick and his detective ability

I love Vanessa from Big Brother 17

In comps you need accuracy : cliff hog the 3

Rachel went from the most hated contestant probably to the most loved winner of all time

Dr. Will was in so many of these categories as a nominee, does that mean hes almost the perfect player?🤭

what ab derricks strategy or intelligence

Rank every memory wall picture

you forgot Dani donato in the endurance comps

Xavier was terrible on the block... he was moaning and complaining about it to anyone who would hear. All the other choices seem great though.

@missright9159

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I guess the chill was more outward, but he would freak despite being the best set up in the house. He might have played it "cool" on the block, but he really didn't have to worry.

@EK-9vv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! He was awful on the block!

@BradsPitts.

2 жыл бұрын

@@missright9159 exactly he was so chill when Kyland went way out of line

For strategic mind its a tough pick but my picks would be Will Dan or Derrick. Also social I think ED wouldn't be a bad choice. He was always a big target so people kept him in plus he caused hell for everyone but still managed to get himself out of it and won. Also ED for endurance as well. He went through 8 hours of in my opinion the worst endurance comp ever. Sure he lost but how many people would be able to do that nowadays?

and the great thing about big brother is that even if they were perfect, they could still get out first

Could you do this w survivor next

Honestly the combination the BBCAN Kevin's might be the perfect player.

I want to see Tony G play big brother.

I understand what your saying about Xavier but obv course your gonna be calm when you know 5 people arent gonna turn on u 100% based on something outside the game which is what your alliance main purpose is. Not saying his not a calm player just throwing perspective out there.

All joking aside, I think you’re missing “The Perfect Superfan” as in, someone who is capable of using their knowledge of previous seasons’ twists, formats, alliance structures, player downfalls, etc to further their game. And, maybe it’s recency bias because I JUST finished watching this season, but I actually might need to unironically give it to Josh Martinez for BBUS (apparently Kevin Martin was best for BBCAN): He utilized his knowledge of “cult leader” players and alliance structure, as well as Paul’s BB18 game, to inflate Paul’s ego enough to set him up, using the Goodbye Messages (which no one thought of using) to ultimately blow up Paul’s game with the jurors each time someone got evicted.

How did Bb7 janelle not win or even considered for clutchness? :(

Do you feel like Taylor could have beat out davonne in a fan vote

After watching Dan choke so badly on season 2 of The Traitors, I'm a bit more hesitant to praise him so highly. I know, they're completely different types of games, and we've seen consistently that Big Brother players fare poorly on The Traitors, but both require social strategy games that aren't that dissimilar. Maybe that's just me.

if one player had to be the perfect big brother player including Jury management: 100% it is Dan no question. In some way he's checkmarked every box. Also I'd replace Vanessa with Paul on X factor maybe or I'd replace her with Derrick on intelligence because she shouldn't be taking two spots just so we keep consistency. I would definitely swap out Frank in clutch category for BBCAN5 Kevin and yes that is a bit of cheating but he was so clutch he broke the game even. If I can't choose him, I'll choose Jackson

This was fun! What if you did this but created the worst player possible? 👀

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy, the only issue with making the worst player possible is that I feel it would be too mean 😂

Agree with all besides Davonne

I don’t know that you can give “x factor” to two people who couldn’t close it out.

Wow can’t believe you described me cbs plz cast me

I disagree on Xavier tbh, he was calm, confident and comfortable on the block not due to his game ability and assurance that he's safe, but he knew very well that the CO couldn't break up and boot one of their own until 6 because that person would be one of the most hated contestants ever, so he knew either way he comes out smelling like roses.

I've never clicked faster

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

Love to hear that

threat management... adam klein!

@BradsPitts.

2 жыл бұрын

… from Survivor? 🤣

@bigbrotherspoilers9756

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsPitts. yes

💕

What about luck?

Am I the only person that believes Vanessa wasn’t that good…. Just super lucky with the cast… I mean look at her sister

Think you forgot puppet master Raven

I think Derrick should get a honorable mention for strategic player

@maryr1270

2 жыл бұрын

Was literally looking for this comment.. THAAANKK YOUU!!!!!! cuz i was like whaaatt??? 😄😄 hooww??

Strategical Game, No Derrick?

It’s almost like you are making videos in a different state

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

:0 who told you

Hope that Donny is somewhere in this video

@Ethanimale

2 жыл бұрын

Well technically he is somewhere

@WinnerVegetable

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ethanimale I'll take it

@ianandrews1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ethanimale He should have been chosen for that category over Davonne.

ENZO over ANDY that’s insanity to me, I think of that segment where everyone felt that Andy was their closest ally in BB15

Nothing for Will 🤔

I think Tyler is probably the closest to the most perfect all-around player. Cody is probably a bit better but dude was already setting up for dominance months before the show. Tyler went in blind and immediately had one of the best HOH ever.

I feel like I'm the only one who can't stand Jason from season 2 lol

Bullshit nobody beats Donny. I’m likeability