CRAIGMILLAR - Down But Not Out - 1984

CRAIGMILLAR - Down But Not Out
This is a documentary first aired on STV around about 1984 as a Scotland Today Report.
Focusing on the social problems in the Craigmillar area, this film features interviews with local activists and residents including Helen Crummy, David Brown, Mickey MacPherson and Richard D’arcy and the Gormley family.
Thanks to Reg and Muriel Wilkinson for donating this film for upload which will soon be available on the Craigmillar Gold KZread channel and also thanks to Johnni Stanton and Hilary Morrison from the Craigmillar Archives.
Uploaded by Billy McKirdy

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  • @jasonladd6400
    @jasonladd64007 ай бұрын

    I was 16 in 1984 cutting about Edinburgh. Never went near this scheme but I knew characters just like those lads in Broomhouse and Wester Hailes. Started work as a factory labourer that year. Managed to get into university seven years later and have done okay since. There's always a way out if you work at it and have a wee bit savvy.

  • @johndonald5950
    @johndonald59507 ай бұрын

    I lived in wauchope place till 1966 I loved craigmillar we left when I was 11yrs old through no choice of our own but had some great friends and great memories 👍

  • @michaelobrien9825

    @michaelobrien9825

    5 ай бұрын

    A FRIEND OF MINE LIVED IN WAUOPE TERRACE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HE LOVED IT AS WELL.

  • @mrmoran0077
    @mrmoran00773 жыл бұрын

    My Dad was brought up here and my Gran and Grandad lived in Newcraighall, it was a pretty scary place but to be fair I never actually had any bother as in spite of appearances there were a lot of decent folk living there

  • @HappyDaysManchester

    @HappyDaysManchester

    2 жыл бұрын

    We lived in newcraighall for yrs in the 80's brought up in niddrie & moved back to niddrie b4 I left in 96

  • @rosemaryhowe8664
    @rosemaryhowe86644 жыл бұрын

    A wonderful trip back in time.

  • @SHELLSFAMILY
    @SHELLSFAMILY5 ай бұрын

    Tbf criagmiller and niddrie has tryed its best to make a effort in its area and made Huge changes and yes there is a few that still make the area bad but we are not the only place with issues

  • @williaminavanbottle9297
    @williaminavanbottle92972 жыл бұрын

    Helen Crummy, was an exceptional individual. Steve Burgess, met him for the first time in 1966. Started as a welfare officer for the Edinburgh children's welfare (as it was once called) department. David Brown, he was a cool, likable individual. Gavin Strang...He spoke up for the production of "I Claudius" at one of his public meetings. Believed in what he was doing for Craigmillar. Need more of his calibre today. Today? In one way or another, the Edinburgh council is corrupt.

  • @derekporter7658

    @derekporter7658

    2 жыл бұрын

    Funny you should say that about Gavin Strang, I was just thinking bring him back!

  • @swagon4545
    @swagon45452 жыл бұрын

    Lot of people had the same problems every where in the country.. Growing up in the 80s & the 70s were hard time's.. I know because I was one of them..

  • @cabottaxi
    @cabottaxi5 ай бұрын

    I can remember before Kinnaird Park was built and the 14 bus went down to terminus at Newcraighall before the bridge. The drinkers used to come out of the miners club and thought it okay to board the bus without paying a penny. Seats were thrown out the top deck emergency exit as a source of entertainment. Good luck to any of the drivers who were on the 2317, 2337 or 2357 departures as it wasn't a pleasant experience and they had no protection.

  • @dylanmccallum7712
    @dylanmccallum77124 жыл бұрын

    Bring back memories they old buildings

  • @riverflowing2842
    @riverflowing28422 жыл бұрын

    "We the city council......" at 13:00 He certainly dosen't have to live without. What people were not listening to was that the lack of employment was and still is a huge issue for many areas not just Craigmillar. When people have no self worth due to circumstances outwith their control it is not easy to live.

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    @24:30 - Oh, fucking brilliant ! Can you just imagine that right outside your window ??

  • @kieranmowatt1952
    @kieranmowatt19524 жыл бұрын

    We make some of America’s ghettos look like paradise

  • @jimmykouba4494

    @jimmykouba4494

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering about that. Thank you for mentioning that. I am American and know that we have learned not.

  • @katrinascott2933

    @katrinascott2933

    Жыл бұрын

    I lived in niddrimill for 3yrs ,I wouldn't have left but room tax came in . I left but I still go down and I feel at home . The people who live there are wonderful friendly there's a community spirit neighbours still look out for each other . But on a down note locals are getting squeezed out and THAT is wrong

  • @SergyMilitaryRankings

    @SergyMilitaryRankings

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao not even close

  • @jenniferleslie5775

    @jenniferleslie5775

    5 ай бұрын

    Are you having a f@#&ing laugh, the place is no where near American Ghettos. What an idiotic comment 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🍆

  • @kennydurkin
    @kennydurkin5 ай бұрын

    These were awful times. So many lovely people struggling against all the odds. And so many fine people doing all they could to alleviate the pain of it all

  • @azillliasmith2734

    @azillliasmith2734

    5 ай бұрын

    That's true ❤

  • @HappyDaysManchester
    @HappyDaysManchester2 жыл бұрын

    I grew up in niddrie/Craigmillar back then & I loved it.Davy brown,my auld man put him on his arse in newcraighall miners club in the late 80's lol..YNT

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    Note the white/silver rim on the peak of that copper's cap to denote his rank.

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    11:03 - WTF ?? Look at that chain and padlock on the emergency exit doors ! Someone should have pointed it out to that copper, that is a serious breach of safety regulations !

  • @Player-lh7lh
    @Player-lh7lh2 жыл бұрын

    Can’t tell if Edinburgh has gotten better or worse

  • @SergyMilitaryRankings

    @SergyMilitaryRankings

    Жыл бұрын

    Basically stayed the same

  • @beefchops1400
    @beefchops14002 жыл бұрын

    The place was rough, it still is as some guy was murdered there as recently as last Thursday but these people are a product of their environment! As for the councillors back then they were as thick as shit and very ignorant as are todays with regard the green agenda and spaces for people lie under the guise of covid! Worked with a couple of folk from niddrie in the past and have to say they were as normal as the next person but wanted out of the place. Kind regards to you all. 👍😎

  • @YGELLYPIKER
    @YGELLYPIKER Жыл бұрын

    God bless Evo-Stick the old guy in our town that had the hardware shop had pallets of the stuff through the back and as he took your cash would say I hope your not sniffing that boys lol

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    LMAO ! A Scots guy commented on here, and it has auto-translate into English ! :D :D

  • @GoldieDawn
    @GoldieDawn2 жыл бұрын

    ls there a copy of 'Growing Up in Craigmillar'? Would love to see it, l mind all them laddies from back then, l was 14/15 but was in residential school, the guy with the tash was always more mature than his pals were. x :)

  • @gillpaterson1913
    @gillpaterson19132 жыл бұрын

    I loved The Cunningham twins...even married one.

  • @norrie6276
    @norrie62763 жыл бұрын

    The bad auld good day's!

  • @ljmcd1987
    @ljmcd19875 ай бұрын

    Nothing has changed

  • @michaelobrien9825
    @michaelobrien98255 ай бұрын

    CRAIGMILLAR HAS HAD SERIOUS SOCIAL PROBLEMS SINCE TIME BEGAN, AND STILL HAS THEM TODAY.

  • @dannythomson5239
    @dannythomson5239 Жыл бұрын

    is the sound working on this video for others? the sound isnt playing and i have opened up another browser tab and played another videop with sound working perfectly.

  • @judis6224
    @judis62247 ай бұрын

    It amuses me how Francis falconer and her husband lived in the craigmiller council house,a spit from fc.smaller houses when you go to primary school and the taller ones when going to liberton high school,they moved to Falkirk,where did they get the money?they had two boys,don't know what happened to the oldest Alan,but the youngest Eric went into the rollers.not getting all that was old,but parents leaving Eric at 15,took awhile until her sister Helen to take him in,by then he lived in a trailer and going through garbage to eat,their kids would be in a home,and they would be fined or jailed.

  • @lukegraham6528
    @lukegraham65282 жыл бұрын

    Who is the gay Bond villan? What a trip!

  • @baldy3405
    @baldy34058 ай бұрын

    Worked there repairing the wee fences outsides their houses for months

  • @taylormckirdy9072
    @taylormckirdy90725 ай бұрын

    I had a girlfriend in Craigmiller circa 1974 Me being from Morningside lol. Used to shit myself going to visit her with mobs of YGT and Niddrie Terror running about. And the Occasional Inche Cumbie mob visiting, was a warzone

  • @thecoyotespeaks9649
    @thecoyotespeaks96492 жыл бұрын

    God everyone was well spoken in the 80s here lol

  • @blakeronan
    @blakeronan Жыл бұрын

    I remenber all the AIDS cases .. it was very sad state of affiairs... thank the lord I was a child and never interaxcted with drug use like that .. but many youngsters parents were all dying..

  • @carolinegray3150
    @carolinegray31505 жыл бұрын

    The posh man could have done more then

  • @jimmykouba4494
    @jimmykouba44942 жыл бұрын

    And how is it today? Watching this breaks my heart that councils didn't do enough but quick to be corrupt. It sickens me that a MP is on the council and doesn't do a damn thing in Parliament to make it's city or state better.

  • @richardf7223

    @richardf7223

    Жыл бұрын

    Mostly knocked down!

  • @marieatherton2073

    @marieatherton2073

    Жыл бұрын

    It's mostly all gone. All new houses to look more modern, with all the same problems today as we had back then. Its not just in Niddrie its in almost every housing estate in Scotland! Although it's quire nostalgic to watch this, I grew up in the 80's just outside Edinburgh and it was no better where I lived only more concentrated in Craigmillar.

  • @campinggrousebuyahouse91
    @campinggrousebuyahouse912 жыл бұрын

    Nothing changes, the Queen obviously needs more money so of course scotland will suffer.

  • @tofgamman
    @tofgamman3 жыл бұрын

    dont you think Gene Hunt didnt do enough to fix the blue peter garden

  • @user-sg2ci3iu6v
    @user-sg2ci3iu6v5 ай бұрын

    My grandad was the cole man it got a lot worse in the late 80’s

  • @user-yt5il3yi1z
    @user-yt5il3yi1z5 ай бұрын

    If the old man's garden was green and white it would be wrecked. Definitely a blue nose area.

  • @OLDSCHOOLPETE112
    @OLDSCHOOLPETE1126 күн бұрын

    The coments lol, big us up, we was um.

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    "The Gormleys" ? >:D

  • @GregorM420
    @GregorM420 Жыл бұрын

    Thats were ma family are fa and still stay in Niddrie well a was born and Breed in Bingham a moved out in 93 wish a could move back a stay in Muirhouse now but ive heard ma old sunny Bingham is worse then Muirhouse now Bingham was the best place to be brought up?

  • @jamesohara4686
    @jamesohara46865 ай бұрын

    Good see it did get houses 50 year later but niddrie people are sound

  • @snakedriver
    @snakedriver5 ай бұрын

    I was working as a shopfitter and was working on a refit of a pharmacy here in the 2000s when I was stopped outside by a wee tinky woman in her 40s who asked what we were doing. I told her we were opening a new pharmacy and she got immediately uppity and said to me "Whit? Well we'll burn this fukin place to the groond agen if tbey dinnae gie us mair methudone." There were some right tickets hanging round there and come methadone day, the queue stretched around the inside of the shop. Still a shitehole of a place.

  • @JulieMackenzie88

    @JulieMackenzie88

    4 ай бұрын

    This problem was really bad during covid, they really do trash their own lives, if only they could see things from the outside. Its sad that it is all over the UK, perhaps more so but not limited to poorer neighbourhoods.

  • @OLDSCHOOLPETE112

    @OLDSCHOOLPETE112

    6 күн бұрын

    LOL, was her name Mary? YNT YA BASS 😂 😂

  • @andrewadamson274
    @andrewadamson2743 жыл бұрын

    Ande

  • @SHELLSFAMILY
    @SHELLSFAMILY5 ай бұрын

    And let me get this straight the council and goverment back then complained the area was awful and whatever else but yet also moaned how doing community projects cost to much god wow if ur not helping a area dinne have the cheek to complain about it wow

  • @leighirvine

    @leighirvine

    5 ай бұрын

    Exactly 😂 it’s like the deaf leading the blind!! Sad thing is our government hasn’t really changed its mentality, there are probably even more rundown areas in the uk now than there were back then 🙄

  • @beano1826
    @beano18263 жыл бұрын

    1984 there was loads of police to arrest miners

  • @peski4939
    @peski49395 ай бұрын

    A scheme of zombies 😂

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles6 күн бұрын

    @12:27 - I bet you that coat's fake or robbed ! >:D

  • @bmker5469
    @bmker54692 жыл бұрын

    I lived 2 miles up the road at Newton Village in 1984.. my whole family worked and to say no jobs is just not true.. we didnt sniff glue.. or break into neighbours homes. It's just a lie to say there is no hope.

  • @petermiller9462
    @petermiller9462 Жыл бұрын

    Stuart Dignan R.I.P MA AULD PAL YNT AND JUNIOR DARCY

  • @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247
    @ohandanotheronebitesthedus62475 ай бұрын

    They think its bad then only if they coule see scotland now

  • @leighirvine

    @leighirvine

    5 ай бұрын

    I’m not sure what area of Scotland you’re from but I would disagree based on the area I’m from. In terms of MPs/government - absolutely! Thatcher might be gone but they’re all still a bunch of greedy pricks 🙄

  • @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247

    @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247

    5 ай бұрын

    @@leighirvine everyone is so down though drugs and alcohol are the only way out

  • @azillliasmith2734

    @azillliasmith2734

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247 highest alcohol and drug abuse in Europe I think so sad ....

  • @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247

    @ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247

    5 ай бұрын

    @@azillliasmith2734 yep if lost 3 family members just recently to drugs

  • @thatcarguy6190
    @thatcarguy6190 Жыл бұрын

    English guy on first inpection looks posh and dodgy As you hear him speak... He sounds spot on

  • @leighirvine

    @leighirvine

    5 ай бұрын

    Aye - Posh and dodgy 😂😂😂

  • @mistofoles
    @mistofoles2 жыл бұрын

    Was this a serious documentary ? - It almost swings over into parody.

  • @OLDSCHOOLPETE112

    @OLDSCHOOLPETE112

    6 күн бұрын

    lol that was our life, ive got family in this 😂 3rd world

  • @marklippiatt2362
    @marklippiatt23625 ай бұрын

    It’s called cholesterol, Scottish people eat it

  • @azillliasmith2734
    @azillliasmith27345 ай бұрын

    Scottish social housing is so ugly and depressing......