CPO Quick Tip : Propeller and Motor Direction and Pusher vs Standard Props
CPO Not-So-Quick Tip .
I'm not sure you can call a 10 minute video a "Quick Tip" but it's really a collection of several tips with regard to the proper orientation of the propeller (both pusher and tractor) and proper motor direction. I toss in a few other tidbits, like the difference between a standard prop and a pusher prop (since I conveniently have an example of both) and show the difference between the stock Hobby King Bixler 2 prop and the APC version. I decided to also dazzle you with an unconventional demonstration of identifying correct prop and motor direction with the use of an M&M. ;-)
My thought is that perhaps one or more of these tidbits will help the concepts click with newbies. Being new myself, I had to do a bit of research and thought exercising to sort this out. Hopefully this will consolidate some of that effort.
You'll note that this is slanted towards the Bixler 2 build I am working on, but I am hoping that the concepts are universal in application. I don't have every type of prop (nor have I seen them all) so if this method doesn't align with your equipment, feel free to disregard it.
I am sure there are other tips or methods to solve this problem, but I think I was able to cover some key ones that I have run across in my build research.
I hope this helps someone.
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As a rookie at flying RC aircraft, this video brought it home to me in a clear manner.
@EVERYTHINGcpo
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Robert Allen. That's what I was hoping for!
@soufi7356
9 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING cpo Can I put a APC propeller on the front of my plane?
@adityaanandiitb5302
7 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING cpo is this motor which is on the thumbnail moves in both the direction
@wordreet
7 жыл бұрын
A brushless motor can spin in either direction. Just swap two of the motor wires to reverse it.
this video answered every question as to why my new pusher jet was lacking speed !! I wish I could shake your hand for explaining this !!
@EVERYTHINGcpo
10 жыл бұрын
Virtual handshake complete. Thanks for the note, and glad the video was helpful. -cpo
Very good video, easily clears up prop mounting and motor direction for pusher planes and tractor planes!
Brilliant video! thank you. Built a plane, wasn't going anywhere. Did not know about prop "scoop". Thank you.
M&M is all i needed to see. Great illustration!
Wow.....great info.....i went to my local hobby shop and asked for a prop explanation and learned 10X more from your video.......Thanks so much...
Great ! been flying 40 years this says it all ,the m&m is the best,good going my friend.
Have read loads of info watched other vids , but this one nailed it - thanks :)
Been flying RC planes for 6 years, bixler 2 for 3 years, just replaces my bixler motor with a like one and couldn't figure out what happened to my thrust over the last 2 flights. Goes to show you we all make mistakes -- I had put the prop on backwards and barley had enough thrust to fly into a small breeze with my FPV equipment on board. Cant wait till tomorrow to give it another try. Im confident now with the prop installed "cereal side facing the rear of the plane", I will have plenty of thrust given the stock configuration. Thanks for the vid.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to do this!
@EVERYTHINGcpo
10 жыл бұрын
Your welcome!
Really appreciate the explanation. Good job!!
Brilliant answered all my queries, with a nylock nut either prop can be used it’s just getting the motor direction set up correctly depending on prop shape.
Thanks so much for explaining how propellers work. I came across your video this week.👍
Great work! I always thought that the prop insert should always be toward the motor. My current setup calls for the insert to be to the rear in pusher config. Thanks much.
Thanks for the great tutorial on props!
Thank you you just helped me figuring why my FT-22 wasn't taking off, I was wondering if my motor was powerful enough!
Thanks for the video. It helped me a little but that's because I don't understand any of this. My question is related to changing out the prop on my trolling motor. I lot of guys are doing this because the prop of an RC plane is more efficient than the one that it comes with. so my question is this, are props made to spin in different directions. the reason for my question is that several people have had to reverse the wiring on their TM because it spins in the wrong direction based upon the prop they swapped out for. I think it was an APC 12 x 5. So based upon what I saw in your video, if the prop seems to be turning in the wrong direction related to the "spoon" can I just flip the prop around?
Thanks for uploading , very clear and precise I have now got my Q Copter back in the air ...
Excellent video. Best Analogy ever on youtube. thanks
Great Video, thanks One question where did you get the Pusher Propeller, or where can i get one, thanks
Your Video Your video explains the different types of propellers excellently and clearly. 👌 Thank you very much 👍👍
Thank you so much for this. After flying several wings and some of them feeling underpowered only now I realise that the motor rotation might have been just fine but the orientation of the propeller might have been all backwards :/ Keep it up!
A pretty good bit of info. I'm glad that you indicated that the lettering is not always on the front of the prop. Luckily it is on the popular manufacturers. Though I have some cheap props that have none.
Had no idea and the M&M made it clear how this works..thanks!!
Thanks for the how-to video. I had my pusher-prop backward! No wonder it felt under-powered.. duh! (It was first push plane)
Aha. Great Video. New to hobby, WAS confused, not anymore. If you're still monitoring this some 7 years later: Great Video. Thanks.
Great easy too follow video 👍
Thank you your M and M trick worked amazing lol
Love the SHINE intro 😁👍🏻
This video is much needed for newbies.
Hi! Great vid! it was very helpful for me as a newbie. i have the bixler 2 and faced that problem with the motors rotation unscrewing the prop adapter, so i lost it on the maiden flight. luckilly i manage to land the bixler safely. But here is my question. im thinking of buying a pusher prop. but do i need to replace the motor or can i just switch cables that it'll rotate on the oposite direction? in advance. Thanks!
@EVERYTHINGcpo
10 жыл бұрын
The motor is the same, just swap any two wires and it will run the opposite direction. The motors are bi-directional. Even though you didn't ask, I figured I would share this. It really helped me understand how swapping 2 motor wires changes the direction. This is simplified for demonstration. A motor is powered from pulses from the ESC. On a brushless motor, there are three wires that are used to send pulses. It sends them through the wires in order. (This is very simplified, but should give you a good visual.) Lets label the wires A, B, C. If you plug them in, the ESC sends voltage through them in that order...A, then B, then C...the motor will start spinning in a direction. So the pulses will be sent out like this: A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C Over and over again, and the motor goes round and round. Now, lets switch any two wires going to the motor. Let's switch the A with the B. Now the wires are like this: B, A, C Now it looks like it should totally screw things up. Clearly, B-A-C isn't in order, and it will just freeze? Nope. Look what happens when you start firing them off in that order: B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C What do you see in there? C-B-A -- its backwards. That's why the motor turns in the other direction. It doesn't matter what two wires you swap. Go back to the original placement of A-B-C, and let's now swap the B and the C -- to A, C, B A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B See...same thing... C-B-A over and over again. Want to reverse it again from this point. Swap any two wires. Let's do B and A. Now it's C-A-B. What happens when we fire it off in that order? C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B Yep...back to the original order of A-B-C. I hope that all makes sense. It was totally fascinating to me how it didn't matter what two wires you swapped to change directions. Now it's clear as a bell to me.
@betski
10 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING cpo OK! Thanks!
I learned something new today! Geez the m&m completely fixed my brain to remember this! hilarious but thanks!
Super helpful video. Thanks brother!
Excellent info, thank you :)
Definitely helped me with the m&m
I'm just building my first quadcopter and confused as to forward and rear motors! Spot on info. Cheers!
Thanks for video, im building my first flying wing a sonic ar 1213, so if i understand i need motor turning CW facing rear of motor and i guess CW type prop. Is this correct? Thanks again
hi, thanks for intellectual video, i got quadcopter components but don't have ccw props, can I only put two props only the props upside down so the numbers would face down and the motor still upright to fly the quad? because all props i have are only cw
I have a question. Just getting started in RC I put a plane together w and electric motor, have not flown it yet, when i do a test taxi the plane pulls to the left. How many degrees do I have to tilt the motor to the right to fix this problem. Thx
did you go by m&ms just for this video? lol. Really probably the best way ive seen yet to describe direction. good job
Thank you so much ! I put a normal prop on a Multiplex Easystar and thought it wouldn't work - luckily the prop fastens with o-rings . . .
Good job! This did help
Very nicely explained subbed you man keep it up
amazing vid dude
Great Video !
I would like to ask you for the music from the beginning of the video?
Very well explained Cheers
Thanks for the video, it helped me.
Hmm hi i would like to ask u a question... My bixler 2 has been constantly vibrating like mad and i do not know what do do about it.. Any advise ??
Good vid. Thanks for sharing.
Great video
i am making a flying wing and i am mounting the motor on the backside of the wing so ,,,,which prop should i use a normal 6x4 or a 6x4r ( right hand rotation) and while standing in the front of the plane seein the tip of the flying wing and the no. of the prop( 6x4r right hand rotation) facing into the motor ,,which direction should it move clockwise or counter clockwise
Hi, Can I just flip an standard prop in order to make it pusher? I building a paraglider cart and I need a pusher prop and unfortunately I got a normal prop
Nice vid!
You have a natural.talent to teach
oh my gosh Ive been flying my AR Wing with the prop on the WRONG WAY. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great explanation there EVERYTHING cpo ! Would you mind answering this question? Say that you don't have a pusher prop available (CCW?) and only a CW rotating prop. Is there anything wrong with putting the CW prop on (facing the proper way, of course, and the use of a prop saver to eliminate any chance of a nut coming loose) and just reversing the direction of the motor? TIA!
@EVERYTHINGcpo
9 жыл бұрын
It should be fine.
@kajun566
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you EVERYTHING cpo !
Great video, THX a lot!
You are the great information wise about props
Nice Job, Thanks!
I have the same plane Corsair E-Flite crashed the same reason battery bad solder connection, and I have a 12X8 APC electric propeller , it pulls like crazy on the floor in the house so in the air It maybe OK what size to use 2 blade, and I have a lot of 2 blades in wood 12X6 I'm but afraid of flaps never had them in 15 years of flying so should I even try them ?
i am making a flying wing and i am mounting the motor on the backside of the wing so ,,,,which prop should i use a normal 6x4 or a 6x4r ( right hand rotation)
If I look at the motor on the Bixler from the back (with the tail into my face) I was told that motor will spin clockwise direction. You say that it should soon clockwise looking from the from which would mean it is spinning anti-clockwise when looking from the rear. Which is the correct way please?
@heliman85
10 жыл бұрын
***** Hi, I have got the 6x4E prop from Hobbykng which seems to be the same as the standrad 6x4 prop that comes with the kit. So I assume it is a pusher prop? Also I have got some grey APC style 6x4 props also from Hoobyking. My motor is set up to spin clockwise direction if I look at it from the tail. I'm hoping that if I fit either of these props with the concave part facing away from the motor and the motor spinning in the direction as I mentioned (clockwise when looking from the rear) that it will work properly. Sorry for all the questions mate. Thanks.
Bruh.. you the real mvp thanks!
I love that M and M...even the example , interesting......
I made a scratch build rc plane. I used all the elektronics of my pusher i had before... so I can't use the same propeller?
i look at the side of the prop. the flat side of the prop must be facing to the back of the plane. works fine. i have a few 9x6 props here and found out that there is lots off diverence between the thrust they deliver. which is strange i think as they all are 9x6 props.
can i use dc motors to fly the copter?
Sorry but I dont understand it I have completed my plane and its a pusher delta wing and if I see it from back the plane it turns in clock wise so still dont know which to choose or hpw to put the prop and my bolt also tightens in the clockwise so thats why I connected my motor to spin clockwise but which the prop and which prop
Cricky I figured this out when I started building balsa models at 8. I mean come guys, you're building and flying RC planes and you don't know this before you start?
omg. I actually had the wrong direction. Thanks bro.
@EVERYTHINGcpo
9 жыл бұрын
It's easy to do!! Glad you are sorted.
@TheRichardfortin
7 жыл бұрын
Gian2 me too lol, lesson learned!
you are great , good video
Should i buy a motor with CW or CCW thread for a pusher ?
@usarmyfl1
7 жыл бұрын
This is the part none of these cover that I am stuck on. I know the direction of the prop, but I don't want the thing to come unscrewed.
@sriharivishnubhatla
6 жыл бұрын
I also have the same problem...
Helps! TY
Thank you : )
Can you use a ccw prop on a tractor rc plane?
Good man
Thank you very helpfull .
Thank you
still helpfull, cheers!
where can I buy a pusher prop? I cant find them anywhere
Been flying over 3 years yet made the mistake the other day of putting my prop on backward. Everything seemed fine until I discovered my plane did not have enough power on takeoff. I guess, I've become too complacent. Thanks for the video.
also the pusher and standard are applied on twin motors to get counter rotation
Is a pusher prop a cw or a ccw?
solved my problem of prop coming off
with a o ring type prop saver set up it wont mater about a prop nut turning loose .
thank for to show me!!!!
😎🙌👍
Living at higher altitudes and want better performance on your Phantom 3 Pro? I live in Denver and somebody stole my Blade Chroma out of my garage in the 30 seconds I went in the house! I just bought some Aeronaut carbon light 10 x 5 for them too! They had yet to make 9.5 inch blades for my DJI Phantom 3 Pro. I had them on the Chroma and noticed how stealth like the blades were as far as noise. You couldn't hear them until it was 30 feet away! Getting tired of my P3P blades sounding like a bad lawn mower I had an idea. On paper if done right it had 3 advantages. Aeronaut is great for higher altitudes with its broad width, razor thin CAD design not to mention it's pitch wasn't 4.5 like DJI'S but a 5 pitch. Problem is that Chroma's blades were 10 inches compared to my Phantoms 9 1/2 length. Hell, I had no Chroma and with a Dubro balancer and access to a band saw I had nothing to lose. The hardest part was making a guide to make a perfect 1/4 cut on each end. Did it and balancing was made easier using a band saw for my cuts. The results were unbelievable! It turned my Phantom into a silent Phantom 4 killer! Remember I'm at 5,600 MSL was averaging 58 mph and 8 meters a second climb rate! At my altitude the descent rate was 4 mps to be safe in this thing air or go nuts in a circling dive.....but why? I did have to at least try it once! I'm eating P-4's since Aeronaut has not made a snap on for it. But you'll never get the pitch because Aeronaut has now come out with Carbon lite 9.5 x 4.5 blades for any screw on Phantom blade. I'm just giving P-4 owners a poke in the ribs because it's such a sleek looking drone. Plus speed will bite us sooner or later! I wrote this for mainly owners living at high altitudes. I took it up to Echo Lake, Colorado and the Aeronaut blades were superb! Careful if you go so far out and you have to hit RTH, I didn't hear the damn thing until it was coming down 30 feet above me! Any questions feel free to drop a line. Just bought the Mavic Pro and heading out at sunrise for my first flight! Stay safe! Jeff Sallee Westminster, Colorado
Thumbs up.....
Good video, bad music. Scared me with high volume.
Hmmm, also useful in Kerbal Space Program...
"IDENTIFICATION!" check your prop [ in video you dont mention it ] it has designations on yours its the "P" for pusher! on APC MODEL PROPS they are called the "E" series! however im totally new never built anything trying to buy parts at this point and their is props called "E" on APC for electric im confused here! because APC has designations for "E" which also mean pusher! and its confusing if its an "ELECTRIC" or "PUSHER" but P definitely works and its very rare! "E" can be found.
keep mottor spining same way just use ccw prop or cw depending motor direcshon
That motor can up to 8040 prop!
The props shown are actually tractor props for opposite rotation. Not one tractor and one pusher
@privateagent
6 жыл бұрын
how can u tell?
can anyone answer the question in one sentence please? im not wading through this bs
@EVERYTHINGcpo
2 жыл бұрын
No
The spoon stuff ruined everything very bad and confusing.
M&Ms / Spoons ??? Talk about over thinking something !!! Rubbish !!! what you stay is true but its just to much 11.06
Booooring. Just tell which is CW and Which in CCW