CPO Quick Tip : Propeller and Motor Direction and Pusher vs Standard Props

CPO Not-So-Quick Tip .
I'm not sure you can call a 10 minute video a "Quick Tip" but it's really a collection of several tips with regard to the proper orientation of the propeller (both pusher and tractor) and proper motor direction. I toss in a few other tidbits, like the difference between a standard prop and a pusher prop (since I conveniently have an example of both) and show the difference between the stock Hobby King Bixler 2 prop and the APC version. I decided to also dazzle you with an unconventional demonstration of identifying correct prop and motor direction with the use of an M&M. ;-)
My thought is that perhaps one or more of these tidbits will help the concepts click with newbies. Being new myself, I had to do a bit of research and thought exercising to sort this out. Hopefully this will consolidate some of that effort.
You'll note that this is slanted towards the Bixler 2 build I am working on, but I am hoping that the concepts are universal in application. I don't have every type of prop (nor have I seen them all) so if this method doesn't align with your equipment, feel free to disregard it.
I am sure there are other tips or methods to solve this problem, but I think I was able to cover some key ones that I have run across in my build research.
I hope this helps someone.

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  • @roberteod
    @roberteod9 жыл бұрын

    As a rookie at flying RC aircraft, this video brought it home to me in a clear manner.

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Robert Allen. That's what I was hoping for!

  • @soufi7356

    @soufi7356

    9 жыл бұрын

    EVERYTHING cpo Can I put a APC propeller on the front of my plane?

  • @adityaanandiitb5302

    @adityaanandiitb5302

    7 жыл бұрын

    EVERYTHING cpo is this motor which is on the thumbnail moves in both the direction

  • @wordreet

    @wordreet

    7 жыл бұрын

    A brushless motor can spin in either direction. Just swap two of the motor wires to reverse it.

  • @pointnozzleaway
    @pointnozzleaway10 жыл бұрын

    this video answered every question as to why my new pusher jet was lacking speed !! I wish I could shake your hand for explaining this !!

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    10 жыл бұрын

    Virtual handshake complete. Thanks for the note, and glad the video was helpful. -cpo

  • @BorntoVenture
    @BorntoVenture7 жыл бұрын

    Very good video, easily clears up prop mounting and motor direction for pusher planes and tractor planes!

  • @row125
    @row1255 ай бұрын

    Brilliant video! thank you. Built a plane, wasn't going anywhere. Did not know about prop "scoop". Thank you.

  • @gcastroism
    @gcastroism7 жыл бұрын

    M&M is all i needed to see. Great illustration!

  • @Ikeman50
    @Ikeman5010 жыл бұрын

    Wow.....great info.....i went to my local hobby shop and asked for a prop explanation and learned 10X more from your video.......Thanks so much...

  • @a10augie
    @a10augie8 жыл бұрын

    Great ! been flying 40 years this says it all ,the m&m is the best,good going my friend.

  • @Jim-tk1zd
    @Jim-tk1zd9 жыл бұрын

    Have read loads of info watched other vids , but this one nailed it - thanks :)

  • @MrStevedfx
    @MrStevedfx8 жыл бұрын

    Been flying RC planes for 6 years, bixler 2 for 3 years, just replaces my bixler motor with a like one and couldn't figure out what happened to my thrust over the last 2 flights. Goes to show you we all make mistakes -- I had put the prop on backwards and barley had enough thrust to fly into a small breeze with my FPV equipment on board. Cant wait till tomorrow to give it another try. Im confident now with the prop installed "cereal side facing the rear of the plane", I will have plenty of thrust given the stock configuration. Thanks for the vid.

  • @danielbarrett8560
    @danielbarrett856010 жыл бұрын

    Great video, thanks for taking the time to do this!

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    10 жыл бұрын

    Your welcome!

  • @JuanJMelendezAlicea
    @JuanJMelendezAlicea7 жыл бұрын

    Really appreciate the explanation. Good job!!

  • @michaelwheatland4565
    @michaelwheatland45653 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant answered all my queries, with a nylock nut either prop can be used it’s just getting the motor direction set up correctly depending on prop shape.

  • @davestell7390
    @davestell73909 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much for explaining how propellers work. I came across your video this week.👍

  • @philbx1
    @philbx110 жыл бұрын

    Great work! I always thought that the prop insert should always be toward the motor. My current setup calls for the insert to be to the rear in pusher config. Thanks much.

  • @frankd9675
    @frankd967510 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great tutorial on props!

  • @TheRichardfortin
    @TheRichardfortin7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you you just helped me figuring why my FT-22 wasn't taking off, I was wondering if my motor was powerful enough!

  • @crude4u1948
    @crude4u19485 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. It helped me a little but that's because I don't understand any of this. My question is related to changing out the prop on my trolling motor. I lot of guys are doing this because the prop of an RC plane is more efficient than the one that it comes with. so my question is this, are props made to spin in different directions. the reason for my question is that several people have had to reverse the wiring on their TM because it spins in the wrong direction based upon the prop they swapped out for. I think it was an APC 12 x 5. So based upon what I saw in your video, if the prop seems to be turning in the wrong direction related to the "spoon" can I just flip the prop around?

  • @brockadale.w3465
    @brockadale.w34657 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for uploading , very clear and precise I have now got my Q Copter back in the air ...

  • @GurjeetSingh-bm6us
    @GurjeetSingh-bm6us4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Best Analogy ever on youtube. thanks

  • @robertoperez6050
    @robertoperez60509 жыл бұрын

    Great Video, thanks One question where did you get the Pusher Propeller, or where can i get one, thanks

  • @freddim3475
    @freddim3475 Жыл бұрын

    Your Video Your video explains the different types of propellers excellently and clearly. 👌 Thank you very much 👍👍

  • @carlosleon7683
    @carlosleon76836 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this. After flying several wings and some of them feeling underpowered only now I realise that the motor rotation might have been just fine but the orientation of the propeller might have been all backwards :/ Keep it up!

  • @wordreet
    @wordreet7 жыл бұрын

    A pretty good bit of info. I'm glad that you indicated that the lettering is not always on the front of the prop. Luckily it is on the popular manufacturers. Though I have some cheap props that have none.

  • @Prowlerook
    @Prowlerook3 жыл бұрын

    Had no idea and the M&M made it clear how this works..thanks!!

  • @leadpan
    @leadpan10 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the how-to video. I had my pusher-prop backward! No wonder it felt under-powered.. duh! (It was first push plane)

  • @alanbier
    @alanbier3 жыл бұрын

    Aha. Great Video. New to hobby, WAS confused, not anymore. If you're still monitoring this some 7 years later: Great Video. Thanks.

  • @crispy2473
    @crispy24735 жыл бұрын

    Great easy too follow video 👍

  • @user-pwfus
    @user-pwfus8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you your M and M trick worked amazing lol

  • @EJ-74
    @EJ-74 Жыл бұрын

    Love the SHINE intro 😁👍🏻

  • @mohammadmahiristehad9196
    @mohammadmahiristehad91963 жыл бұрын

    This video is much needed for newbies.

  • @betski
    @betski10 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Great vid! it was very helpful for me as a newbie. i have the bixler 2 and faced that problem with the motors rotation unscrewing the prop adapter, so i lost it on the maiden flight. luckilly i manage to land the bixler safely. But here is my question. im thinking of buying a pusher prop. but do i need to replace the motor or can i just switch cables that it'll rotate on the oposite direction? in advance. Thanks!

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    10 жыл бұрын

    The motor is the same, just swap any two wires and it will run the opposite direction. The motors are bi-directional. Even though you didn't ask, I figured I would share this. It really helped me understand how swapping 2 motor wires changes the direction. This is simplified for demonstration. A motor is powered from pulses from the ESC. On a brushless motor, there are three wires that are used to send pulses. It sends them through the wires in order. (This is very simplified, but should give you a good visual.) Lets label the wires A, B, C. If you plug them in, the ESC sends voltage through them in that order...A, then B, then C...the motor will start spinning in a direction. So the pulses will be sent out like this: A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C Over and over again, and the motor goes round and round. Now, lets switch any two wires going to the motor. Let's switch the A with the B. Now the wires are like this: B, A, C Now it looks like it should totally screw things up. Clearly, B-A-C isn't in order, and it will just freeze? Nope. Look what happens when you start firing them off in that order: B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C What do you see in there? C-B-A -- its backwards. That's why the motor turns in the other direction. It doesn't matter what two wires you swap. Go back to the original placement of A-B-C, and let's now swap the B and the C -- to A, C, B A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B-A-C-B See...same thing... C-B-A over and over again. Want to reverse it again from this point. Swap any two wires. Let's do B and A. Now it's C-A-B. What happens when we fire it off in that order? C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B-C-A-B Yep...back to the original order of A-B-C. I hope that all makes sense. It was totally fascinating to me how it didn't matter what two wires you swapped to change directions. Now it's clear as a bell to me.

  • @betski

    @betski

    10 жыл бұрын

    EVERYTHING cpo OK! Thanks!

  • @xmaTKDmma
    @xmaTKDmma Жыл бұрын

    I learned something new today! Geez the m&m completely fixed my brain to remember this! hilarious but thanks!

  • @oklahomadepartmentofaerosp6119
    @oklahomadepartmentofaerosp61193 жыл бұрын

    Super helpful video. Thanks brother!

  • @Xuallus
    @Xuallus8 жыл бұрын

    Excellent info, thank you :)

  • @oogityboogity6644
    @oogityboogity66442 жыл бұрын

    Definitely helped me with the m&m

  • @stephenmason4559
    @stephenmason45599 жыл бұрын

    I'm just building my first quadcopter and confused as to forward and rear motors! Spot on info. Cheers!

  • @egtreadway4232
    @egtreadway42323 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for video, im building my first flying wing a sonic ar 1213, so if i understand i need motor turning CW facing rear of motor and i guess CW type prop. Is this correct? Thanks again

  • @ZezoG-jg1he
    @ZezoG-jg1he7 жыл бұрын

    hi, thanks for intellectual video, i got quadcopter components but don't have ccw props, can I only put two props only the props upside down so the numbers would face down and the motor still upright to fly the quad? because all props i have are only cw

  • @chirodoc65
    @chirodoc659 жыл бұрын

    I have a question. Just getting started in RC I put a plane together w and electric motor, have not flown it yet, when i do a test taxi the plane pulls to the left. How many degrees do I have to tilt the motor to the right to fix this problem. Thx

  • @jeffreyhardwick1164
    @jeffreyhardwick11649 жыл бұрын

    did you go by m&ms just for this video? lol. Really probably the best way ive seen yet to describe direction. good job

  • @tinuscronje2546
    @tinuscronje25465 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much ! I put a normal prop on a Multiplex Easystar and thought it wouldn't work - luckily the prop fastens with o-rings . . .

  • @maddogrk1
    @maddogrk18 жыл бұрын

    Good job! This did help

  • @shamshersingh1078
    @shamshersingh10785 жыл бұрын

    Very nicely explained subbed you man keep it up

  • @chihuhahuana4863
    @chihuhahuana48638 жыл бұрын

    amazing vid dude

  • @tkeeg
    @tkeeg8 жыл бұрын

    Great Video !

  • @thainnei
    @thainnei6 жыл бұрын

    I would like to ask you for the music from the beginning of the video?

  • @NIRAJPATELV
    @NIRAJPATELV2 ай бұрын

    Very well explained Cheers

  • @timothyhine2258
    @timothyhine22587 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video, it helped me.

  • @seowdingxuan847
    @seowdingxuan84710 жыл бұрын

    Hmm hi i would like to ask u a question... My bixler 2 has been constantly vibrating like mad and i do not know what do do about it.. Any advise ??

  • @TheChap1012
    @TheChap10128 жыл бұрын

    Good vid. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ricardomartinez6458
    @ricardomartinez64587 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @vanshsharma1303
    @vanshsharma13039 жыл бұрын

    i am making a flying wing and i am mounting the motor on the backside of the wing so ,,,,which prop should i use a normal 6x4 or a 6x4r ( right hand rotation) and while standing in the front of the plane seein the tip of the flying wing and the no. of the prop( 6x4r right hand rotation) facing into the motor ,,which direction should it move clockwise or counter clockwise

  • @carlos.borntofly
    @carlos.borntofly5 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Can I just flip an standard prop in order to make it pusher? I building a paraglider cart and I need a pusher prop and unfortunately I got a normal prop

  • @Starbuckin
    @Starbuckin8 жыл бұрын

    Nice vid!

  • @farayidarlingtonchaparadza20
    @farayidarlingtonchaparadza203 жыл бұрын

    You have a natural.talent to teach

  • @rougeneon1997
    @rougeneon19975 жыл бұрын

    oh my gosh Ive been flying my AR Wing with the prop on the WRONG WAY. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @kajun566
    @kajun5669 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation there EVERYTHING cpo ! Would you mind answering this question? Say that you don't have a pusher prop available (CCW?) and only a CW rotating prop. Is there anything wrong with putting the CW prop on (facing the proper way, of course, and the use of a prop saver to eliminate any chance of a nut coming loose) and just reversing the direction of the motor? TIA!

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    9 жыл бұрын

    It should be fine.

  • @kajun566

    @kajun566

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you EVERYTHING cpo !

  • @Damroky
    @Damroky9 жыл бұрын

    Great video, THX a lot!

  • @baranbaharaneh886
    @baranbaharaneh8863 жыл бұрын

    You are the great information wise about props

  • @suesmethwick4448
    @suesmethwick44489 жыл бұрын

    Nice Job, Thanks!

  • @rondoschiavoni8840
    @rondoschiavoni88402 жыл бұрын

    I have the same plane Corsair E-Flite crashed the same reason battery bad solder connection, and I have a 12X8 APC electric propeller , it pulls like crazy on the floor in the house so in the air It maybe OK what size to use 2 blade, and I have a lot of 2 blades in wood 12X6 I'm but afraid of flaps never had them in 15 years of flying so should I even try them ?

  • @vanshsharma1303
    @vanshsharma13039 жыл бұрын

    i am making a flying wing and i am mounting the motor on the backside of the wing so ,,,,which prop should i use a normal 6x4 or a 6x4r ( right hand rotation)

  • @heliman85
    @heliman8510 жыл бұрын

    If I look at the motor on the Bixler from the back (with the tail into my face) I was told that motor will spin clockwise direction. You say that it should soon clockwise looking from the from which would mean it is spinning anti-clockwise when looking from the rear. Which is the correct way please?

  • @heliman85

    @heliman85

    10 жыл бұрын

    ***** Hi, I have got the 6x4E prop from Hobbykng which seems to be the same as the standrad 6x4 prop that comes with the kit. So I assume it is a pusher prop? Also I have got some grey APC style 6x4 props also from Hoobyking. My motor is set up to spin clockwise direction if I look at it from the tail. I'm hoping that if I fit either of these props with the concave part facing away from the motor and the motor spinning in the direction as I mentioned (clockwise when looking from the rear) that it will work properly. Sorry for all the questions mate. Thanks.

  • @bigmannick2
    @bigmannick24 жыл бұрын

    Bruh.. you the real mvp thanks!

  • @prawincbe
    @prawincbe8 жыл бұрын

    I love that M and M...even the example , interesting......

  • @felix.b4592
    @felix.b45926 жыл бұрын

    I made a scratch build rc plane. I used all the elektronics of my pusher i had before... so I can't use the same propeller?

  • @wheelykingdotcom
    @wheelykingdotcom9 жыл бұрын

    i look at the side of the prop. the flat side of the prop must be facing to the back of the plane. works fine. i have a few 9x6 props here and found out that there is lots off diverence between the thrust they deliver. which is strange i think as they all are 9x6 props.

  • @justone9763
    @justone97637 жыл бұрын

    can i use dc motors to fly the copter?

  • @igamerxd8450
    @igamerxd845010 жыл бұрын

    Sorry but I dont understand it I have completed my plane and its a pusher delta wing and if I see it from back the plane it turns in clock wise so still dont know which to choose or hpw to put the prop and my bolt also tightens in the clockwise so thats why I connected my motor to spin clockwise but which the prop and which prop

  • @patb5266
    @patb52669 жыл бұрын

    Cricky I figured this out when I started building balsa models at 8. I mean come guys, you're building and flying RC planes and you don't know this before you start?

  • @osteopenia
    @osteopenia9 жыл бұрын

    omg. I actually had the wrong direction. Thanks bro.

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    9 жыл бұрын

    It's easy to do!! Glad you are sorted.

  • @TheRichardfortin

    @TheRichardfortin

    7 жыл бұрын

    Gian2 me too lol, lesson learned!

  • @bigheart205020
    @bigheart2050208 жыл бұрын

    you are great , good video

  • @LeonardoValente_
    @LeonardoValente_7 жыл бұрын

    Should i buy a motor with CW or CCW thread for a pusher ?

  • @usarmyfl1

    @usarmyfl1

    7 жыл бұрын

    This is the part none of these cover that I am stuck on. I know the direction of the prop, but I don't want the thing to come unscrewed.

  • @sriharivishnubhatla

    @sriharivishnubhatla

    6 жыл бұрын

    I also have the same problem...

  • @rcdriveoff8754
    @rcdriveoff87543 жыл бұрын

    Helps! TY

  • @drakkorvladimir4012
    @drakkorvladimir40126 жыл бұрын

    Thank you : )

  • @idontknowwhattonamethis1029
    @idontknowwhattonamethis1029 Жыл бұрын

    Can you use a ccw prop on a tractor rc plane?

  • @andremah8357
    @andremah83576 жыл бұрын

    Good man

  • @user-qh3jb5qc9u
    @user-qh3jb5qc9u2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very helpfull .

  • @Snowmanbutternips
    @Snowmanbutternips7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @grzbiet
    @grzbiet3 жыл бұрын

    still helpfull, cheers!

  • @nerdylicious1814
    @nerdylicious18143 жыл бұрын

    where can I buy a pusher prop? I cant find them anywhere

  • @raptr49
    @raptr497 жыл бұрын

    Been flying over 3 years yet made the mistake the other day of putting my prop on backward. Everything seemed fine until I discovered my plane did not have enough power on takeoff. I guess, I've become too complacent. Thanks for the video.

  • @arongatt
    @arongatt9 жыл бұрын

    also the pusher and standard are applied on twin motors to get counter rotation

  • @swallef1
    @swallef15 жыл бұрын

    Is a pusher prop a cw or a ccw?

  • @certuv
    @certuv2 жыл бұрын

    solved my problem of prop coming off

  • @rondoschiavoni8840
    @rondoschiavoni88407 жыл бұрын

    with a o ring type prop saver set up it wont mater about a prop nut turning loose .

  • @borenchan1530
    @borenchan15309 жыл бұрын

    thank for to show me!!!!

  • @davestell7390
    @davestell73908 ай бұрын

    😎🙌👍

  • @jsallee1963
    @jsallee19637 жыл бұрын

    Living at higher altitudes and want better performance on your Phantom 3 Pro? I live in Denver and somebody stole my Blade Chroma out of my garage in the 30 seconds I went in the house! I just bought some Aeronaut carbon light 10 x 5 for them too! They had yet to make 9.5 inch blades for my DJI Phantom 3 Pro. I had them on the Chroma and noticed how stealth like the blades were as far as noise. You couldn't hear them until it was 30 feet away! Getting tired of my P3P blades sounding like a bad lawn mower I had an idea. On paper if done right it had 3 advantages. Aeronaut is great for higher altitudes with its broad width, razor thin CAD design not to mention it's pitch wasn't 4.5 like DJI'S but a 5 pitch. Problem is that Chroma's blades were 10 inches compared to my Phantoms 9 1/2 length. Hell, I had no Chroma and with a Dubro balancer and access to a band saw I had nothing to lose. The hardest part was making a guide to make a perfect 1/4 cut on each end. Did it and balancing was made easier using a band saw for my cuts. The results were unbelievable! It turned my Phantom into a silent Phantom 4 killer! Remember I'm at 5,600 MSL was averaging 58 mph and 8 meters a second climb rate! At my altitude the descent rate was 4 mps to be safe in this thing air or go nuts in a circling dive.....but why? I did have to at least try it once! I'm eating P-4's since Aeronaut has not made a snap on for it. But you'll never get the pitch because Aeronaut has now come out with Carbon lite 9.5 x 4.5 blades for any screw on Phantom blade. I'm just giving P-4 owners a poke in the ribs because it's such a sleek looking drone. Plus speed will bite us sooner or later! I wrote this for mainly owners living at high altitudes. I took it up to Echo Lake, Colorado and the Aeronaut blades were superb! Careful if you go so far out and you have to hit RTH, I didn't hear the damn thing until it was coming down 30 feet above me! Any questions feel free to drop a line. Just bought the Mavic Pro and heading out at sunrise for my first flight! Stay safe! Jeff Sallee Westminster, Colorado

  • @garya4907
    @garya49077 жыл бұрын

    Thumbs up.....

  • @geneba712
    @geneba7128 жыл бұрын

    Good video, bad music. Scared me with high volume.

  • @R3dp055um
    @R3dp055um2 жыл бұрын

    Hmmm, also useful in Kerbal Space Program...

  • @charlesklein7232
    @charlesklein72323 жыл бұрын

    "IDENTIFICATION!" check your prop [ in video you dont mention it ] it has designations on yours its the "P" for pusher! on APC MODEL PROPS they are called the "E" series! however im totally new never built anything trying to buy parts at this point and their is props called "E" on APC for electric im confused here! because APC has designations for "E" which also mean pusher! and its confusing if its an "ELECTRIC" or "PUSHER" but P definitely works and its very rare! "E" can be found.

  • @jujucattys156
    @jujucattys1563 жыл бұрын

    keep mottor spining same way just use ccw prop or cw depending motor direcshon

  • @fjtoysaeromodels2176
    @fjtoysaeromodels21765 жыл бұрын

    That motor can up to 8040 prop!

  • @johnmantova9364
    @johnmantova93648 жыл бұрын

    The props shown are actually tractor props for opposite rotation. Not one tractor and one pusher

  • @privateagent

    @privateagent

    6 жыл бұрын

    how can u tell?

  • @FB-gm6el
    @FB-gm6el2 жыл бұрын

    can anyone answer the question in one sentence please? im not wading through this bs

  • @EVERYTHINGcpo

    @EVERYTHINGcpo

    2 жыл бұрын

    No

  • @northpaw80
    @northpaw807 жыл бұрын

    The spoon stuff ruined everything very bad and confusing.

  • @rc3drc
    @rc3drc8 жыл бұрын

    M&Ms / Spoons ??? Talk about over thinking something !!! Rubbish !!! what you stay is true but its just to much 11.06

  • @15SAJAN
    @15SAJAN3 жыл бұрын

    Booooring. Just tell which is CW and Which in CCW