It's good the CP who sold the lines by Lac Megantic over a decade ago bought it back after the disaster. It's back in good hands.

It's kinda chilling to see that this video ended up becoming a time capsule of what Lac Megantic once was before the 2013 derailment happened.

@fmnut

5 жыл бұрын

I felt the same way.

@AKUROGAMING

5 жыл бұрын

If you want visit Lac Mégantic before the derailment, the google map car visit the city 1 month before the accident, you just had to change the timeline with the clock icon to see the Before and After ;)

Thanks so much for this video. I'm tearing up watching it. A vibrant community that's doomed, really powerful in that most of us had no idea what it looked like. Likewise for the families and loved ones lost, my heart goes out.

Lac megantic before the fire. God bless this town.

Thank you Fmnut awesome video ! The CP Rail Alco footage was spectacular and the scenes at the station were great to see. I love the footage of both four and six axle Alcos puffing black smoke. Early in the video those C-424's had the car body panels open , must be overheating. The tribute at the end was nice. Another excellent video !!!

@fmnut

2 жыл бұрын

See my "Sherbrooke Thunder" parts 1 and 2 for more MLW's in the region.

@MikeG42

2 жыл бұрын

@@fmnut yes I've watched those ones already. Good stuff ! 😁

Thank you very much. You had made a wonderful video about Canadian Pacific Railway in Lac-Mégantic Region in Quebec and it was a good time. In any case, the track was in better condition in that time with CP with the Montreal,Maine & Atlantic Railway currently.

The VIA train at about 16 minutes, came from Montreal and crossed into Maine, continued down to McAdam, Saint John, Moncton then into Halifax. It was axed in 1989.

@9751asd

5 жыл бұрын

actually it was axed on December 17 1994

In 1988 I rode on the VIA rail train from Montreal to saint john NB and passed thru Lac Megantic in the middle of the night.Could never imagine that town being destroyed by that oil train derailment in 2013.

Really cool footage, I've appreciated. I didn't know that there was VIA trains passing at Mégantic.

Headed for Saint John, NB. That was the CP terminus and Saint John was there port from 1871 until 1991 when they quit the Maritimes.

@9751asd

5 жыл бұрын

they left the maritimes on December 31 1994

A bit sad watching this video now, knowing that most of what we’re seeing in the downtown area would eventually be wiped out.

1989, just one year before I started with the CPR. Those were the days. Stinson was CEO at the time.

Je crois qu'il s'agit de l'un des meilleurs vidéos que j'ai vu sur KZread ! Lac-Mégantic à l'époque du CP, et même un train de VIA Rail (vers 13:30) - simonak c'est précieux ça ! Très bien filmé et superbe qualité pour l'époque - bravo et merci d'avoir publié =)

Thanks for taking the time to do this video. It reminds me old memories since i was young. I wachted all the video with a lot of emotions. It will never be the same...

How can anyone dislike this? It's a tribute video for crying out loud.

@brucybabyy7355

7 жыл бұрын

100% agree, i have never been to lac megantic. its horrifying to this day thinking about the lives snuffed out in an instant.

Wonderful video, reminds me of when I first moved to New Brunswick, love those old MLWs

that's great footage! I love those old alco and MLWs, wish they were still around.

@thebrantfordrailfan

4 жыл бұрын

They are, you just gotta know where to look, shortlines, etc

Hard to believe all the background buildings at 22:01 were all subsequently burned to the ground or demolished.

Thank you for posting this. Decades of years of normal operations and then 30 some hours of nightmare. It would seem to me that the final scenes of your video took place at the top of the hill towards Nane(?) where the train started rolling from in the first place. And before the last sequence leaving the station yard that that must be the area that was immolated. May they all rest in peace.

@fmnut

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, the scene at 26:56 is at Nantes, which is the passing siding where the train was stored that ran away. At 28:42 the train is passing the actual derailment site.

@gragor11

10 жыл бұрын

***** Your video really does show the set up as the train tracks snake down the hill and into the community. It is actually amazing that the train made it around that first corner after crossing the road in your opening scene to lose it on the second corner at the main intersection.

@patricknoveski6409

5 жыл бұрын

Please tell me what happened here ?

@fmnut

2 жыл бұрын

@@patricknoveski6409 a train of oil tankers was improperly tied down at the top of the grade west of town. It ran away downhill and derailed and caught fire right in the middle of downtown. The burning oil ran into several buildings including a bar packed with patrons. The death toll was high, a good bit of downtown was destroyed and an oil spill polluted the nearby lake.

Wow, superb video

thanks for sharing merci pour le partage ! !

21:25 is right about where everything piled up.

@anb740

2 жыл бұрын

And every last one of the downtown buildings behind the train after it started moving are sadly now gone.

Love the BIG ALCOS!

I had not known that VIA worked the line with HEP-ped cars and F40's. I travelled on VIA on this line when they still had FPA-4 and steam-heated cars. Sad to see now the unused depot, how it has become derelict.

Thanks for the reply.

Thanks for that info.

Shame this derailment happened right by that crossing. Nice to see all the ALCO and MLW power. And VIA before they cut service there in '94.

@AtTheCrossingProductions

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t know there was a signal there before, or signals on the territory at all for that matter

Ça fait frissonner!!! Le son y est pour beaucoup.

I’ve yet to see any original ALCO in operation right now. The only ALCO I’ve seen is one of the two MLW Century’s Minnesota Commercial had/has.

Awful what happen to that small town. Thanks for posting this video.

@csx6025gamer

3 жыл бұрын

The town was in ruins for now

Howdy ,i really enjoyed that video ,i was there a few times by CP the ocean and the Via train Its a shame what had happened

cp runing back full swing in this town again

@metrolinxfan3005

3 жыл бұрын

This town was blown up

@Maine_Railfan

3 жыл бұрын

@@metrolinxfan3005 Just a few blocks.

@metrolinxfan3005

3 жыл бұрын

@@Maine_Railfan big fan of your videos though

I noticed several of the locomotives have the hood doors left open while running, is this to keep the engines from overheating?

according to what we've seen on tv, they are still on the main line beyond the deadly curve. (July 18)

Evidently they made it past the crash scene at 50-60mph and rolled about a mile onward before stopping. Found with brake shoes applied but burned off according to a couple different reports.

remembering....., and imagining what the landscape is like, now, post disaster.

Does anybody know where the locos are ?. Are they at the crash scene or still up the grade ??

Is this the line that used to serve Halifax-Montreal passenger service that went through Maine?

At 10:35, I cant believe those two cars went thru the signal. Its a blind corner with trees, you cannot see the train approaching. That 2nd car almost bought the farm...

There must be scenes from the mid 90s as well, you can tell by the cars. I'm pretty sure I saw a 1996 Grand Am, as well as a Chevrolet Celebrity, and others.

Lac Megantic is where the explosion was on July 6, 2013

At 11:02 that is where the mma train 5017 passed the curve y where the 65 tanker cars jumped the tracks

Were the access doors to the engines left open for extra cooling on the locomotive's on the first train in the video?

@fmnut

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. It was July and quite warm.

Do you have any bangor and aroostook videos?

@fmnut

10 жыл бұрын

Sorry, no.

10:26 thats quite the grade. Then the curve ? And whats with those yahoos goin through the flashing lights . All in all great catch but fucking sad !

How many trains did CP run at Lac Megantic vs MM&A today or who ever runs the RR today.

@fmnut

10 жыл бұрын

At the time I visited, there were 2 trains a day each way. One pair ran between Montreal and St. John, NB with mostly intermodal. The other pair ran between Montreal and Brownville Jct., ME with mostly wood products/paper products interchanged with the B&A. You usually only got one each way in daylight, hence the long chases to accumulate shots.

@csxns

10 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Was the station levelled in the blast as well?

@fmnut

9 жыл бұрын

I don't think so.

@DaringDramis

9 жыл бұрын

***** I confirm, the station didn't take any damage. It's visible in an archived satellite image in Google Earth dating from July 12th 2013, six days after the accident. The wrecked cars are clearly visible, and the station is located about 700 feet southern of the crash.

If the trackage would have been kept up to CPs standards, would the derailment of 2013 happened? I’ve always been curious. CP boogied pretty good through there.

@fmnut

3 жыл бұрын

The derailment wasn't caused by bad track, but lax operating procedures. Even perfect track can't defeat the laws of physics, when a runaway is running at triple or better than the rated track speed and hits a curve, the cars will overturn regardless. Even big carriers like CP have accidents, but I can't help but thinking if CP had kept the line, the rules violations that were the root cause of the runaway would not have been a factor.

@sammyers4561

3 жыл бұрын

@@fmnut right.... I agree with that. CP crews would have followed proper procedures. The accident would have never happened in the first place. But I digress. The trackage through town and most of the line was deemed “accepted track”, which means trains are limited to 10 mph and annual inspections must be carried out to ensure the integrity of the track. Another failure of the MMA. As we see in these shots (which are great by the way), CP was not traveling at 10 mph around the curve. The question is, if the tracks had been up to CPs standards, would the derailment have happened. CP looks to be traveling 40-50 mph. The train derailed while traveling upwards of 65mph. Yes to fast to travel around the bend safely. The locomotives passed through without derailment. I too understand the physics of this situation.

@fmnut

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammyers4561 First, a correction. The term is "EXcepted track" meaning it is excepted from the normal track standards. Canada's regulations mirror those of the FRA here in the US. Under those rules, no trains with more than five cars of hazmat can be operated over the excepted portion. So if the track had been in excepted status, they should not have been operating unit trains of hazmat there at all. I have read the Transport Canada report and nowhere does it mention the status of the track at the derailment site as being excepted, merely that the speed limit was 10 MPH.

@fmnut

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammyers4561 At the derailment site, in my videos, the trains were proceeding relatively slowly due to either slowing for or accelerating from a crew change. I did some rough calculations, and estimated the degree of curve and the elevation in the track and concluded the maximum track speed at that location should have been somewhere around 30 MPH, even with perfect track. Transport Canada concluded that overspeed was the primary factor in the actual derailment, and I agree. The reason the derailment occurred after the locomotives and a few cars cleared the wreck site was the "slosh" factor causing the tanks to tip over with their high center of gravity. So the simple answer is, in my opinion, no. Even with good track, the cars would still have tipped at 65 MPH and caused a pile up.

@sammyers4561

3 жыл бұрын

@@fmnut sorry. Typo on a wonderful iPhone 😒 and I did not know that about the five car rule. If that’s the same in the states, I know of several railroads that are in violation just from watching KZread. And now I have questions. The scenes where we are looking down a “main drag” and the trains pass through a grade crossing, and then travel around the back sides of the properties, and then cross the same road at another grade crossing in front of the camera... is that where the derailment happened? The portion behind the buildings?

Here is my Question: According to the Transport Canada derailment inquiry of the July 6th disaster.. it notes the there are NO signals in the MMA territory of Lac Megantic. Yet, from frame to frame, sometimes signals are clearly visible.. Were these removed when CP rail sold this portion of the Railway? Also, perhaps starting a debate, could one argue that the last year of CP rail ownership was the last year of proper track maintenance?

@fmnut

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, there was a complete signal system, including small indicators at each signal for track vehicles to detect if there was a train approaching. All of this was removed after the sale to Iron Road (the owner before MM&A).

@Maine_Railfan

2 жыл бұрын

The signal system was decommissioned after a series of ice storms hit Quebec, Maine and New Brunswick hard. Iron Road was unable to run for two weeks due to several areas getting 2+ inches of ice. At the time, the signal system wasn't needed, and most of the aging code lines had been damaged beyond repair. So some were removed entirely, but many which were out of the public view just had the signal heads turned away from the tracks. CP recently removed all of them.

Why were the engine doors open?

@mile57.2galtsub6

5 жыл бұрын

To try and keep from overheating and shutting down.

The cars don't seem to care that those Alcos are coming fast.

Malgré les erreurs de toutes sortes, si le train n’avait pas transporté des matières dangereuses, il aurait quand même déraillé mais n’aurait pas causé la tragédie qu’a connue Lac Mégantic et ses 47 victimes seraient encore vivantes.

Is this the location of The Magnetic Disaster rail

@fmnut

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@joseeduardozavalaromero9566

Жыл бұрын

@@fmnut oh wow but I wonder what happened to the location in real life

@fmnut

Жыл бұрын

@@joseeduardozavalaromero9566 check out the downtown on Google Earth.

@joseeduardozavalaromero9566

Жыл бұрын

@@fmnut ok

I have a feeling that the derailment was caused by some one tampering with the train. The crew put the breaks on and shut down the locomotives. my guess is that after the crew left for the night someone was tampering with the railcars.

@deloreanman14

7 жыл бұрын

The engineer set seven handbrakes on the train on a downhill grade but didn't release the air brakes so it gave the impression that the handbrakes would hold the train. He left the lead engine running and headed home to go to bed. A couple hours later, the lead unit caught fire after an earlier mechanical problem and the fire department was called by a passing motorist to put it out. Following the railroad's guidelines, the fire department shut the engine down and after discussing the matters with the railroad, everyone left the scene. With the lead engine no longer running and keeping the air pumped up in the train lines, it took another hour or so for the air pressure to drop enough that the brakes would no longer hold the weight of the train on the grade and the rest is now a tragic chapter of history.

Then disaster strikes

Sorry. My last comment refers to 2013. My thoughts go out to all the people affected by this disaster.

Will there ever be a railroad around there or in there again .Its very unquestionable but the oil for Irving is being rerouted .But with this planned pipeline will we also in for danger as well .

The Lac Megantic accident would not have happened had this train had a caboose

@WAL_DC-6B

Жыл бұрын

If the caboose had been occupied by the conductor and others, then yes, the Lac Megantic accident could have been prevented.

Line was sold by KCS to the Riaquailra Central Railroad and later became part of the Canadian Pacific Railroad

@fmnut

2 жыл бұрын

Where are you getting this information from? It's wrong. KCS was never involved with this line. It went from CP to CDAC to MMA to Central Maine & Quebec then back to CP.

@WAL_DC-6B

Жыл бұрын

@@fmnut Thanks for setting the record straight!

@fmnut

Жыл бұрын

@@WAL_DC-6B I just don't know where erroneous info like this comes from.

According to this video, it seems Quebec drivers have always been bad lol!

OK CP rail train is in lac megantic there’s a wreck

Now it’s a nothing

These trains should carry coffins as a reminder of government & multi-national legislative incompetent laws,and black despair!!!!!

Im very explosions

who's idea was it to sell it to the bozo shortline?, e.hunter Harrison?????

@fmnut

5 жыл бұрын

You're off by about 17 years. The railroad was sold by CP in 1995, EHH wasn't at CP until 2012. Can't blame him for everything even though you might want to.

@Sylvain603

2 жыл бұрын

CP had sold this line in 1996 to Iron Road Railways which railroad holding company possessed Bangor & Aroostook Railroad, Canadian American Railroad, Quebec Southern Railway, Northern Vermont Railroad, Windsor & Hantsport Railway, Van Buren Bridge and Construction Company and Iowa Northern Railway until 2002 which this railroad holding had gone bankrupt and sold to Rail World which has created a new subsidiary, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway which this railroad company has been responsible of the Lac-Mégantic rail tragedy on July 6 2013. CP Rail's CEO in 1995 was William W. Stinson from 1981 to 1996.