Ossification is the formation of bone. That's why Tiny Bones is on it.

@smilesthomas44

3 ай бұрын

Was coming here to say this!

@Minervastouch

3 ай бұрын

Good call

@pauldyson8098

3 ай бұрын

Came here to say this. Good call.

@andresgomes7507

3 ай бұрын

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@ClaytonChristopherHarbison

3 ай бұрын

Why I am here, lol.

Roxanne in Amulet Titan is a pactable immediate answer to Magus. It also impacts the board & threatens to start shooting opponent's/creatures. One of the best Amulet Titan players, Dom Harvey, ( Literally just won back-to-back NRG series over the weekend with the deck ) basically called it insane & wants to try to maindeck one somehow.

29:38 i think the real problem from a Goldfish standpoint is that the games you play every week have a theme and people want to see the theme pop off. If next week you guys play Kellan v Kellan v Kellan v Kellan and someone wins with field of the dead it really didn't fit the title of the game.

Banning Field of Dead less by power but more as intervention for Richard.

I think the actual solution to the land problem is creating cards that benifit you for having more basics or the most similar to land tax

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

we have extremely good cards related to basic lands like harvest season that still don't get played much

@MakeVarahHappen

3 ай бұрын

That doesn't help out monocolor decks or decks that run few utility lands, it helps out ramp decks.

@Shimatzu95

3 ай бұрын

Bloodmoon has entered the chat

@sunstrid3r44

3 ай бұрын

We need more good spot removal like cleansing wildfire, and in more colors

@MakeVarahHappen

3 ай бұрын

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 while I agree with the sentiment in the end I think it's also the fact that pretty much all of these only work in the midday late game and many of them just reward you with more ramp. Like, even if I exclusively play basics I can't draw off Endless Atlas until turn 3 the earliest, and then that's all I'm doing.

Thanks for the Monday content boys. Already been a long week but yall make it so much better!

The Cowboy Bebop intro with the magic characters is really sick too if you havent seen the video

@Donovarkhallum

3 ай бұрын

I paused and watched it when crim mentioned it and it was so well made. Ohko on the elk flying off made me laugh so hard but in a good way not a. Mocking way.

The Reddit thread about the CEO stepping down had the most amazing response: "I don't know what this means but all I know is it validates all my opinions about Magic."

Y'all should value Strip Mine as much as Seth. I also play a Strip/Wasteland in every commander deck and the vast majority of the time, and with proper threat assessment, it does deal with the problem land at the table. If everyone else also runs them, it becomes very easy to stop utility lands before they get out of control.

glacial chasm has singlehandedly brought land destruction back in my playgroup, only one of us actually plays it, but it's a windgrace land deck... So it completely changed our meta

props to crim for the ruination win. i'm here to say, there are plenty of players willing to play land destruction, and won't be salty when it happens to them. ramp and card draw really do need to be punished in this format enough to bring it under control. make people think twice about ramp packages and advantage engines. get creative. land destruction really isn't bad when the player doing it has an advantage engine online and ends the game soon. the ruination ended that game in a swift manner without drawing it out. the long drawn out land destruction with no wincon or advantage is what should be frowned upon. sloppy play should be frowned upon. just my 2 cents.

Richard is capping. He and Seth have 100% claimed targeted LD is socially banned. One issue with MLD no one brought up, which (I think) is the whole reason why people have issue with MLD, is that it punishes innocent players. Imagine playing a land a turn and then getting MLDed because of the green player that was also stomping you. Lastly, Richard is missing that you can fetch for basics, and ramp using them. Once you play enough basics, you are way more likely to see them.

@seandun7083

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it doesn't target the ramp player, it just hits everyone. Also, Green gets Ramunap Excavator and Splendid Reclamation.

I've worked at enough big companies to know that when a new president comes in, the first thing they do is some giant change to "shake things up" and assert their authority. I think we'll see some big changes in the next few weeks.

@jaysonking4055

3 ай бұрын

You're probably right hopefully it's good

@ReyaadawnMTG

3 ай бұрын

@@jaysonking4055 if I had to make a prediction it will be something like WOTC taking over EDH.

@jaysonking4055

3 ай бұрын

@ReyaadawnMTG that already semi started with cedh events on mtgo I could definitely see something like that or an attempt to bring modern back with mh3 coming

@patrickmcathey7081

3 ай бұрын

Why not both?

@jaysonking4055

3 ай бұрын

@@patrickmcathey7081 that's also possible It's probably something so left field we didn't consider it I do (imo sadly) think it'll be commander related or not tcg related just because it would be easy to sell I could see some baldurs gate type game made for mtg

I’m sick and this podcast kept me company

@MTGGoldfishPodcast

3 ай бұрын

Feel better!

"The fish list" would be a good name for the channels ban list.

Richard: Advocates for 1-1 land destruction (strip mine, wasteland, etc) Also Richard: Advocates against 1-1 removal (swords to plowshares, path to exile, etc)

I felt Crim's "Am I high?" hearing everything about Roxanne

these richard kane ferguson playmats look sweet! thanks for sharing and bringing these to my attention!

It’s most likely because it’s the 25th anniversary for cowboy bebop

Wow WotC is beyond terrible at marketing. Pro tour in a week and I had no idea either. Last time I only found out because of Jim Davis mentioning it. Wtf are they doing. 😂 Pro Tours are supposed to be their big competitive events and they don't even advertise it. Then when they don't get enough views they'll say people aren't interested in competitive magic. God they're dumb.

Yeah sorry Richard, but if you read ruination and you think its the same as Armageddon, the issue is you not ruination. It exists to perform exactly as it did in the game where you got blown out by it. Punish that greedy mana base baby. Also your 5c decks have access to all the basic land ramp in the format so if ruination is an Armageddon to you there, you still got greedy. My grixis decks would on average lose 2-3 lands to a ruination and they have no issues casting spells, and they aren't treasure decks either

@biggymiggy6408

3 ай бұрын

idk man ruination blasts my 3 color and sometimes 2 color budget decks bc it hits my dual lands

Jim Davis is carrying the marketing for Pro Tours almost all by himself. He's the only reason I know that it's happening, and I'll be tuning in to cheer him on.

31:55 wouldn't the solution be basics + prismatic omens or chromatic lantern ? We have a ton of make lands tap for anything and bypasses the ruination. Punish the greed !

That Oko/spike disdainful strike WILL make me add disdainful strike to my commander decks, even if I have to cut a better card/counter xD I reaaaaally love how they added Oko's abilities and flavor text into the art of the card, along the neon colored smoke on top is chef's kiss.

It's not Roxanne. It's 🎶Roxanne🎶.

Mono W has both Generous Gift and Mangara of Corondor. Do not sleep on Mangara of Corondor, that thing is so cracked when you pair it with flicker effects, andnot terrible when you just play it for value. Rattlesnake to the max.

@JacobBos1988

3 ай бұрын

It's also great with stuff like Whitemane Lion and Robe of Stars :)

Cards like field of the dead and the other land they banned are why I run cards like beastwithin in every deck that can run them. Every color has an answer to lands on top of strip mine effects.

@_claymore

3 ай бұрын

what does black have? genuine question.. cannot remember a good black card along the lines of Beast Within that deals with lands.. 🤔

@cread13

3 ай бұрын

@_claymore there's the og answer of sinkhole but I think that's a bit pricy cash wise. But they have printed a few cards over the years that destroy a land/creature or just a land in black.

@_claymore

3 ай бұрын

@@cread13 like.. what? sure, single target land destruction exists in black. sinkhole being the best, others costing 3-4+ mana. but that's definitely not the same power as Beast Within. that's why I was asking.. I cannot come up with an answer off the top of my head for black.

@cread13

3 ай бұрын

@_claymore neither can I since I don't have a mono black deck but I've seen plenty of cards over the years that take out lands in black as well as dealing with other cards. Usually it's a choice of land or creature. If your in black/white then there's vindicate which is one of my favorite go to removal spells.

@firstandlast.1254

3 ай бұрын

​@@cread13Plenty of cards? I'm with the other guy; what cards? 'Break the Ice'? Black is severely lacking.

That RFK kickstarter is lit! Nebuchadnezzar is one of my fav arts. Also, congratz on the Ruination win Crim! Punish that greed.

shout out to the goldfish crew!

Urza's Sylex is what they can do about green ramp. Limit the number of lands people can have out so you can knock them back down if they've got too much advantage but you don't stop them from playing the game. I'd personally like a red 3RR sorcery that destroys everyone's lands except 4 they choose and makes a treasure for each player who had a nonbasic destroyed this way. Black could have some kind of enchantment that drains people on your upkeep based on their nonbasic lands or number of lands above a number, perhaps with the option of them sacrificing lands to gain life. I think with enough playable cards like this where they either progress a game or knock back a player with too much advantage but allow the game to continue then the land ramp problem could be resolved.

Just a thought after listening to Crim's land turned green rant. What if they started putting in a bunch of specifically non-basic land hate? Like non-basic Armageddons, more things like blood moon, removals that are any non-basic permanent, etc etc So that running nearly all non-basics was actually a big risk. I get blood mooned like once a week so it seems it doesn't have the same stigma as "all lands" does.

Good job on your house bans. If R&D is going to take land destruction off the table, the natural followup to that is you can't have victory conditions / lock pieces on lands either, because then you have uninteractible win conditions.

I would push back on Richard’s idea that they need to make sweepers for nonbasic lands utility lands, but not duals just to allow the play of 4/5 color decks. There should be a cost to playing these decks similar to playing an all artifacts deck and getting stone aged by a vandal blast. If they fold to something like a blood moon or back to basics I think that’s the risk that you take in order to get the benefit of playing most/every color

For the land problem do you think if removal became more versatile and we could more easily destroy target land that would help. Instead of having one beastwithin your dissinchants and go for the throats have or target no basic land stapled to them. It would allow you to with less of a cost blow up field of the dead or glacial chasm. Otherwise I don’t mind Seth’s idea of having a wipe with destroy all lands with triggered abilities or activated abilities that don’t produce 1 mana. It allows your fixing but punishes greedy value mana bases

strip mine is pretty efficient and fair to be honest

The solution to the singleton format to have them print arbitrary copies to the point its not really singleton? Why not just play another format and solve the problem?

Glacial Chasm is clearly broken. Field of the Dead is also clearly broken. Both are definitely ban worthy. (yes they could both be on the official ban list since they both warp games) EDIT: they should be printing more cards that annihilate non-basic lands and everybody should shut up about land destruction in general.

@SWAT6809

2 ай бұрын

there is plenty of removal for non-basic lands, you just need to play it

I think there's an answer for the ramp player... Kind of like the Saga from Dominaria, where it returns 4 lands from the graveyard after their all destroyed. Or have people divide their lands into 2 piles and their opponent chooses which one they sacrifice. Or they keep 4 lands and the rest are destroyed. Or destroy all lands that don't have a land type.

22:10 jokes on you Richard, cause I can't forget that the JP mystical archive Ephemerate is in fact Ephemerate cause that is probably my favorite card art ever on a magic card

32:47 I’ve been trying to think of some way to refer to utility lands without hosing most dual lands. Simply saying “land with an ability that isn’t a mana ability” doesn’t work because even shock lands have an ability that isn’t a mana ability.

excited to see some bebop stuff. also Richard so salty hahaha. but honestly that card pops out so much

Richard was spitting w/the standard deck talk. NOW I GOTTA BUILD A DECK?! WHY CANT IT JUST BE AN FNM PROMO

The mass land destruction could destroy all lands without a basic land type (types are plains, island, swamp, mountain, and forest). The downside to this style is urborg and yavimaya make it a dead card.

Have you guys tried an episode banning all cards that search libraries. That'd be a way around green ramp.

@totakekeslider3835

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t work for Richard’s other favorite card, Open the Way.

For the Tsabo's Web-esque Ruination card discussion (32:00); does cycling count as an activated ability that doesnt produce mana or no?

So cute Crim saying Cowboy Bebop "15 years ago". Released in 1998. Fortunately, for Standard Showdown, Seth's Simic Burn deck is only $30, so you can run Standard Showdown for cheap!

If you use foreign cards just keep Google lens loaded on translator works so well it's a game changer

There are sweepers for creatures, sweepers for enchantments, sweepers for Artifacts, hell there's sweepers that catch Planeswalkers. Imagine the problems you'd have without those. Land sweepers are fine by me. People would be complaining about go wide decks if no one ran Wrath of God.

It's funny that Seth just did s standard land destruction deck for Against the Odds

Wizards printed urza's sylex which I think most playgroups consider not that salty land hate and I love it. I think there should be a ton more effects that put the table down to a reasonable amount of lands for non green players. IMO they should make another balance, but only for lands, and it probably shouldn't be the lowest, but instead the lowest of your opponents. If they word it like that it stops people from having like lotus field thespian's stage and setting everyone back to 2 while theyre on 6, and I think it would really improve the format overall. Especially if it was target remove lands instead of just "choose 6 and sac the rest". Its obviously tough because you can really screw someone and remove all their sources of a particular color, but mana bases are so good these days im not even sure if that matters anymore.

@FearOgre

3 ай бұрын

7 mana at sorcery speed to do that and your opponent gets to choose what they keep, pretty subpar.

@BurgerSmother

3 ай бұрын

@@FearOgre it is also a board wipe lol. Sylex is really good. I would expect a fixed balance that just hits (hopefully targets) lands to be 2 or 3 mana

@Shimatzu95

3 ай бұрын

If sylex wasn't white but colorless I would likely run it alot more. A couple variations would also be nice (just blow up creatures and lands or just enchantments and lands etc).

@BurgerSmother

3 ай бұрын

@@Shimatzu95 i would love if they did more. Hell they could even do a whole cycle. Black gets creatures, red gets artifacts, etc. green players would really have to be less greedy and that would be awesome

@Shimatzu95

3 ай бұрын

@@BurgerSmother another idea would be an enchantment, say in red with: on cast anyone selects 6 lands and sacs the rest and while on board, lands can tap for any color and loose all other ailities. Would deal with both issues.

I find it funny to have eldrazi processors in my commander decks to mess with things like suspend, hideaway, plot and temporary exile effects. 98% of the time they don't do anything but the 2% is worth it

Stoneforge getting Cryptic Coat will be annoying in standard. Plus you got the new Aegis removal equipment.

Ruination hitting dual lands is great. Right now, there is basically no reason to not play 5 color decks if you want to have the best tools for your strategy. It's insane to me that we now just accept that multiple colors should be almost just as consistent as mono color land bases. The whole point of barring the colors behind different lands is to introduce a consistency cost to over- diversifying your accessible colors. We're at the point where all lands should just tap for every color, or we accept cards like ruination hitting dual lands because there should be an inherent risk to being greedy with your color identity.

What if they had more cards that leave all players with 4 lands or some biz like that? So you’re not all at square one, and you’re able to catch back up. Plus it doesn’t effect the creatures you’ll get smacked at for casting the spell

Crim's entire game plan is to intentionally make people salty and then ask "why are you salty?" as if he's legitimately confused.

Intimidation Campaign and the crime triggers are ready to have a deck built around, at least as a theme if not a full synergy build. when you get a payoff for targeting e.g. discard and removal it's not hard to get value

I think magic needs more cards like Keldon Firebombers. Set everyones lands to the same number to actually punish the ramp decks. Wildfire type effects can be gotten around by ramping harder than everyone else, youll still be left with more lands. Firebombers is the truth honestly

Seth excited to see if Dopplegang Crime land decks pop up in the pro tour 😉

18:42 the old connundrum: do we reward players for playing our game or just the most competitive/rich of those players+the investors?

I used to go to FNMs and play standard. You got cool promos that often where top tier standard playables or playable in Eternal Formats. But with all the reprints they're shoving down our throats, they'll have to cook up some pretty expensive promos to lure people back into standard.

I don't think single problematic lands are too much of a problem. In addition to inexpensive staples like Beast Within and Generous Gift and more expensive staples like Stripmine and Boseiju, Who Endures. Wizards is also printing niche land destruction cards in most of the recent sets.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

I agree single lands aren't the problem. ban all nonbasic lands. its the mass of them thats the problem.

Cleansing and Fall Of The Thran are interesting MLD cards that aren't THAT salty. Late game Cleansing wins games!

@michaelcollins4534

3 ай бұрын

Fall of the thran +exile opponents graveyards. My favorite brawl wincon

I think most groups don't have ramp as the issue - though it is very strong - so much as treasures. Dockside is waaaaay more troublesome than green ramping. Treasure have artifact synergies, usually are recurrable via dockside bodies or recurrable spells like Big Score, and fix mana for whatever color you need. I haven't ever considered green writ large to be an issue (white ramps almost as hard these days), but treasures can and do end games super quickly if unchecked.

@nathand6467

3 ай бұрын

Dockside can wreck games at a casual level. Its got that unofficial $$$ ban that keeps it from becoming an issue in every playgroup.

Yo Crim you could just play the Rebecca leader and run the same stock Sakazuki deck and have a fair version of that miserable control deck. Also Moria is even more fun to pilot

@DotDeck

3 ай бұрын

The way you feel about green in magic is how I feel about hearing " leader effect cycle one. Attack for 5 minus one to your _____ houndsblaze. Swing brannew for 6. Tashigi search. Ok good turn 2"

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

sounds like you should quit too then. if you groan at normal strategies you make the game worse for everyone else.

Seth. You like music, check out the sound track for cowboy bebop. Faaaannnntastic

I would love to see, you play CEO ans design some cards in the Podcast again

I'll be exactly what Richard doesn't want to be lol, I'll be building an standard deck just for these promos lol

Finding out about the MIku cards and Cowboy Bebop promos at the same time, I was heavily disappointed in seeing the Bebop cards as thunder junction, I would've liked to actually have the Bebop characters on the cards.

To balance green ramp why not a mass land destruction that forces everyone to sac all their lands except for X where X is equal to your commanders mana value +2, if X lands were sacrificed draw X. ----- I feel the draw would be necessary to make sure everyone would want to run it

If we are worried about mana ramp creating an (understandably) untouchable advantage, play with 20 life and let aggro correct for it

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

what a horrid idea lol. good thing theres basically no chance they do this.

I find it funny that the gang will do everything but play basics lands lol (Except Tomer, We love our Basic King)

The way to fix issues like "green ramp is too busted" is to just allow everything. cEDH is relatively well balanced because everyone plays fast mana (meaning that cheaper green ramp is decent but not broken) and everyone is packing tons of interaction to deal with problematic permanents (field of the dead, the one ring etc. are all good but not busted) AND no one has any problem with stax, mass land destruction etc. People play to win, every strategy is respected and people don't get salty when you combo off etc. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the issue isn't whether cards need to be banned or not. You don't want to police how people have fun. You want to make sure that everyone has the same goal and if they do, they'll make the necessary decisions to meet that goal. In cEDH, it's play to win so players are bringing all the cutthroat fast mana and stax. In casual, just communicate with your playgroup that the goal is to have fun and what things cross the line.

How isn't there Twitch drops for the Pro-tour?! Or something tied into your Arena account that gives you something for watching. Seems like Wizards could just give like some promos or something wild cards would have been a great way to get people to watch.

Counter Ramp Spells. We Bolt The Bird

I've been cooking Sultai midrange in Standard with Hostile Investigator. For the sake of the 4 mythic wild cards I spent on the investigator, please let there be a pro who also believes in that card.

I rememeber Seth mentioning this superpower of unreadable cards and since they started playing in paper I really, really hope he'd put ephemerate in his deck and try to pass it off as mana tithe :P

Lol 20 LGS here in my neighborhood not one does Standart

around 59:27 why not? i think the "recent" trend of giving us old great cards in standard is a great one and so far none of them broke the format. i am thinking of Liliana, ugin etc

Idk i think everything except lightning strike and stroke is definitely playable. Most of em arent ideal, but I bet forcing em wont be terrible.

@Uri6060

3 ай бұрын

Also, I do think lands should be especially looked at for bans. Which feels bad to say, as I enjoy my lands decks so seeing stuff like Glacial Chasm feels so bad. But no one can defend field, shits so annoying. I feel like they should make a modal shock with a ghost quarter ability on it or something so that people can run stone rains that arent gonna guarantee salt everytime they see play.

Crim asking about 5 mana Roxanne when the deck in question already plays 6 and sometimes 7 mana creatures

I love playing foreign always gets my opponents to try to read the cards. And I'll tell them exactly what it does and always get a question. Can you read this? The answer is always no I just know the cards

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

if thats your reason then you're just kind of a dickhead.

If you play combos with non-basic lands, they will be targeted. Perhaps made land destruction is passé; however, targeted land destruction is fair game with anyone I play with. Be versatile in your removal 🤷‍♂️

Roxanne gets 2 mana back per amulet you have in play though

Also all of the goldfish crew play way to many nonbasic lands in their decks even in mono colored decks they ten to only have 5 at most which is insane. Even my 5 color decks run at least 2 of each basic

I think a cool MLD would be destroy all nonbasics, then each player searches & puts on the battlefield a # of basics equal to highest # of lands destroyed for 1 player. 5-color can still fix, but running low # of basics would be punished by failure to find.

"destroy all lands without a basic land type"

You could just make a standard mono red burn deck for like $30

I would love for the guys to ban the restrictions on land destruction and see how it pans out. Don't think it would change anything maybe a little but I am still curious.

The Big Score cards seeing play in multiple formats makes me wish they were still an aftermath set. As a bonus sheet in the regular set they are incredibly hard to find. Players really screwed the pooch on this one.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

3 ай бұрын

players are the victims of wotc bad decisions. they are not at fault. wtf is wrong with you?

I did not know Crim had so much ink.

@erisdiscordia5429

Ай бұрын

Cowboy Bebop is super over rated. Outlaw Star is much better.

The Overwatch colab came out a few weeks ago.

If Richard and crim don't necessarily agree with the bans, who decided on the house ban?

18:06 just buy a budget deck. You can easily do one for like 30 bucks

Richard can't complain about getting wrecked by ruination.

Glad field is banned. It's really only an issue from a content perspective. Regardless of the decks if you have one or more players every game turning it on and using the zombies well it makes all the games look the same imo

“Why is Tonybones on ossification?” Someone clearly has not taken college anatomy and physiology lol, he is literally the PERFECT character for that card

@jackl8025

3 ай бұрын

it's a little confusing since Ossification is white and Tinybones is black. Oko on Disdainful Stroke and Rakdos on Go For the Throat make sense for their color, Snakeskin Vein obviously fits Vraska's color AND flavor, but Tinybones is just flavor, not color, so I can see how it seems "out of color" at first

@firstandlast.1254

3 ай бұрын

woof, imagine thinking you have to have taken a college course to have access to a dictionary. Shut up.

Funny enough between Field of the Dead and Glacial Chasm, I think chasm is waaaaay worse for the format. Field of the dead pop off when the ramp player is ramping, and while yeah its basically the best landfall payoff there is. If you ban it, the green deck can simulate it with something janky like a Rampaging Balorths. A glacial chasm lock is outright unbeteable for aggro decks unless they run main deck ld. And everyone knows new players dont run their strip mines as they should, and whoever is running Glacial Chasm in their deck HAS plans for it.

Standard showdown impatiently is not run on normal LGS. Just the "official" ones. As I live in. Big city in Germany I have allot of LGS here and neighboring cities somevin 5 minute waking distance, but I would have to drive several hours for the next "official" store ....this is so bullshit

Richard subject matter expert on all things business CEO of MTG goldfish Jund connoisseur

glacial chasm is totally fine but field is pretty busted