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10 күн бұрын

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10 күн бұрын

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10 күн бұрын

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8 күн бұрын

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I've just come back from the Blast London event, and I'm not sure if it was audible on the streams but - the entire arena was booing every map pick because of how stale they were. The pool as it stands is awful to watch. Of the 13 total matches, Vertigo was banned 13 times, the next highest ban was Ancient on 9 and Nuke on 8. Dust2 was the most picked map with 10, next was Inferno with just 6 picks. It's important to note why Dust2 was removed, it wasn't just that the map was played out and stale, but because Valve recognised that significant changes to the map to freshen it up would completely eliminate the identity of this iconic map. It was given it it's own little queue in CS:GO too as recognition of it's importance. In my opinion, Mirage now needs the same treatment. We need to remove Dust2 and replace it with the incoming Cache from FMPONE, we need to get Mirage out next and get either another community map into the pool or bring back Cobblestone with a really, insanely huge rework. We haven't seen Cobble in 5 years, we can afford to drastically change it. In the end though, I think the most significant change for Pro matches would be to return to single pick / single ban with a randomiser for the third map. If teams don't want that then the map pool needs to be made bigger. You cannot have it both ways.

@DogeickBateman

10 күн бұрын

Anyone who bans Vertigo needs to be shipped to the Ukrainian frontline.

@lunaticluke7268

10 күн бұрын

@@DogeickBateman I do understand why it was banned so much, it's recent changes were pretty big and completely fucked a lot of timings and strats, but it basically left London with a 6 map pool which was horrendous to watch. Both of the Quarter Finals matches were the exact same picks and bans. We ended up with Inferno, Dust2, Mirage for both matches. CS is already one of the longer esports to watch, we need matches to be MORE likely to be different maps as opposed to LESS likely.

@gosling_choked_floyd_POG

10 күн бұрын

British "people" were booing all the time. Bean toast nation only cheers when someone gets +1500$ since it reminds them of their homeland

@Wozza365

10 күн бұрын

Great event, I was there on the Saturday and was a great event, but yeah seeing the same maps being picked over and over was a bit boring. I could hear the boos on the Suunday watching on stream as well.

@plantelo

10 күн бұрын

Getting another community map in would be good, but I'd definitely settle for a Train remake (which might be in the works already). It was my favourite map to spectate when it was still in the pool, and it was one of my favourites to play.

I like dust 2 and don’t mind mirage, but I believe the addition of dust 2 was the perfect opportunity to remove mirage.

@thisiskret

10 күн бұрын

Mirage is reaching dust 2 status at a rapid pace, it's so stale

The thing is about the best players liking the usual maps, not just d2, speaks to your point directly. Theyre good on those maps, and they like winning. But in general, the more you play the game, the more you are really just playing the same damn maps repeatedly, while becoming both more knowledgeable about the game and more stubborn about learning any new maps. CS players need to have new maps FORCEFULLY RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROATS... until they like it. Thats pretty much Stockholm syndrome right there, but it works and is good for the game bc it helps non-demented gamers from getting bored with CS. dUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgEdUsT2mIrAgE

@nakki889

10 күн бұрын

I dont want to play new maps if they are trash. I dont actually care that much about the map layout. I want to play with and against people who have played the same maps thousands of hours. I dont want to feel better because i played the map more.

@MidoEl

10 күн бұрын

I Agree with you, back when I used to play 1.6, we used to only play dust2 every single pug, and the odd inferno or mirage here and there but dust2 was the default.

@baph0met

10 күн бұрын

No, that would just mean CS losing all it's players, or the players changing. That's as if iPhone just launched a key phone or KZread switching to being just a streaming site. Valve is dumb and is ruining their game, but they're not as dumb to ruin it that much by doing this trash idea of yours. Just remove Anubis and add Cache, that's all the map pool needs.

@zorgapb4691

10 күн бұрын

Anubis was already once in the game, they removed it and now they brought it back because why? Map is awfully balanced and i would rather play Train than that garbage. Even pros said that the best map pool ever was Dust 2, Mirage, Inferno, Cache, Overpass, Nuke and Cobblestone. And as one of the above guys said i don't want to learn new maps if they are unbalanced and trash. Vertigo will also never be a balanced map no matter how hard they try to rework it. It's that simple. That map literally screams "get me out of here already". And i do agree to extent that Dust 2 is not for competitive play, but that map can actually be fixed with a good rework by opening some areas

@irkedcs

10 күн бұрын

"As soon as they add back in map X, the game will be perfect" - players until the end time

About overpass : 1 - it was the least played of all maps in cs2 among all players (pros included) 2 - it was becoming the most ct-sided map of the pool (at least at pro thus spectator level). So I love overpass and I didn't want it to be removed but it made sense. Especially since Valve just overhauled it, thet had to study data to make this choice.

@lunaticluke7268

10 күн бұрын

I love Overpass, and had a higher win rate on it that any other map, I hated seeing it go - the data lead approach to removing it makes sense, but Dust 2? Overpass dies for Dust 2? They couldn't have held on for a little longer to try and get Cache out the door and in the pool instead? Insane choice in my opinion.

@SaladKnife.

10 күн бұрын

I'm honestly surprised overpass out of all thing was least played. I mean, who tf even playin ancient except for a few hundred players.

@eric2553

10 күн бұрын

@@SaladKnife. iirc it is one of the most played maps in pro scene

@Spetsnazty

10 күн бұрын

@@eric2553not in CS2

@troublishone

10 күн бұрын

Your info about pros is just provably false. The 6 months prior to Overpass getting taken out of the pool it was played a lot. (stats from HLTV) Maps played between November 1st 2023 to May 1st 2024 on LAN Ancient was played 269 times (nice) Anubis was played 206 times Nuke was played 204 times mirage was played 199 times Overpass was played 194 times Vertigo was played 175 times Inferno was played 155 times Pro level it was played about as much as almost every other popular map other than Ancient. Everyone was saying get rid of Inferno or Vertigo (or both), and they were obviously the least played maps for pros. ALSO it wasn't even the least played map for casuals. That was Anubis. By no metric was it the least played map.

A large reason I think the current map pool is bad is how similar all the maps are. Dust2, Mirage, Anubis, Ancient, and Vertigo all have the same general map layout, known as the "4-Box" or "3-Lane" layout, where the map consists of 3 main contact points between CTs and Ts, being the two bombsites on opposite ends of the map, and a "Mid" section that connects the two bombsites. Nuke and Inferno are the only maps that don't fit this general formula. In the past there was more of a balance between these "standard" layouts and more unique layouts, as Overpass, Train, and Cobblestone all didn't fit the 4-box design, but nowadays, we have a ton more 4-box layouts than unique ones. I find each of these 4-box layouts have a lot of similarities in how they are played. Because of this, I find the map variety to be a little lacking. My general approach to playing each of these maps feels incredibly similar on each of these 5, just with different angles. Nuke and Inferno feel much more fresh as they play very differently from the other 5, but this isn't enough to feel like much variety, and it's made the competitive side of the game much less interesting for me. I vastly preferred when the map pool was more varied with Overpass, Train, and Cobblestone in the mix. I get that it's more difficult to balance these more unique layouts as there isn't already a ton of map design theory to look back on, like you do with 4-box layouts. I also get that it's harder to make players start to like more unique and experimental maps, but IMO it's worth it to include them even if it takes longer to get the map to a high quality state, just to provide that extra variety.

@troublishone

10 күн бұрын

Hard disagree, just because the very basic premise of 3 lane or 4 box technically applies, does not mean the maps are similar at all. They play much different, and feel completely unique to watch. Your comment comes off as a very surface level examination of maps in general. Its like saying we tend to have cars with 4 wheels, which makes them all drive the same.

@UndrcoverCactus

10 күн бұрын

@@troublishoneThey certainly play different from each other. Obviously that’s true, but they are still far more similar to each other than the more unique map layouts. There’s a lot of common tactics and scenarios that exist in every single one of the 4-box layout maps that simply don’t exist in the more unique maps.

@troublishone

10 күн бұрын

@@UndrcoverCactus Again, just seems like a very surface level take. I'm not sure what you even mean by "common tactics". Is this as simple as a generic "mid to b" call? Because sure a lot of 4 box maps will have some sort of mid to b route. But that's pretty much the end of the similarities for that. Each maps version of mid to b is VERY different, both for players and viewers. More over, my big issue here is I think your fixating on something that doesn't matter. your going a little to meta, and creating an issue where there isn't one. I'm not a map maker, but I assume 4 box or 3 lane is just a formula used to create layouts that will naturally integrate well with the 5v5 defuse game mode.

@thisiskret

10 күн бұрын

@@troublishone The problem is that they all follow the same cookie-cutter formula that's tride and tested, it stifles innovation and means any new map gets compared to mirage and gets called a clone or a copy. But, If it isn't following it; then it's an "overwatch map" or "valorant map". You can't win. Anubis and Ancient are good maps. People are just too allergic to change to want to actually learn them because they love their old Mirage so much. We Desperately need to push Valve to give us some experimental new maps (or keep Anubis and Ancient) to essentially force us to playtest them, that way they can actually become just as balanced as the big dogs over time and give us something fresh. Mirage and D2 need to go.

@troublishone

10 күн бұрын

@@thisiskret The problem is both Ancient and Anubis are 3-lane/4-box. Which actually supports my point, in that using the 4-box formula you can still create good unique maps no problem. I like both those maps, and have no issues with them. And to be clear, asymmetrical or any other design type is fine if its a well made map. I'm simply saying I think fixating on the idea there are too many 4-box maps is creating issues where there is none.

Hey Penguin, love your videos bro but I wish you would do a little more research for your videos. The versions of Overpass and Cobblestone you showed where the first releases of those maps, they were not the versions of the maps used in the map pool for Cologne 2014 and on. Also the pick ban system that randomized the 3rd map only lasted until Cologne 2016 not thru Eleague 2017.

@tyemorris9056

10 күн бұрын

Glad someone said this

One thing worth considering is how one note a map pool is. Since different maps have different styles of play. Mirage playes different from Inferno that plays different from Nuke. But in my opinion, Mirage and D2 have very similar styles of play. Long angles, aim heavy and traditional 3-lane layout. Cache would also fit this criteria so I would not want to see a map pool with all three of those maps. Having variety in the style of play is good ímo.

@roxinim6479

10 күн бұрын

isn't ancient kinda like dust2 and mirage?

@mlalbaitero

10 күн бұрын

​@roxinim6479 yes moreso dust2 though

@_-HK-_

9 күн бұрын

@roxinim6479 yeah that's pretty true. It has some things that I would say make it quite unique like how cave works and that you can hear A-main so easily from donut. But most importantly, it doesn't have sand!

My opinion is that in professional CS the gameplay has become too standardised because the maps aren't rotated enough, which makes for a more boring viewer experience. I would want to see a rotation after every major. One completely new map, like mills, and one reworked previous map. Ancient and anubis have been the best changes in recent memory since you get to see new ideas and executes being attempted. (I like vertigo to play, but it sucks to watch because of the layout). A map like Dust2 being added back means I get to see the same smokes as usual, with rounds almost fully dictated by aim duels

@lunaticluke7268

10 күн бұрын

I've thought about this before and came to the idea that we could rotate every YEAR rather than every major; and increase the map pool by one to eight total. After every 12 month period one map falls out of the pool and another is rotated in on a cycle.

@morfy2581

10 күн бұрын

but never rework just for the sake of it. Maps like Mirage, Dust2 and Inferno have found their perfect state imo. We can still bring back these classics after a couple of years, just gotta give others a chance too.

@oliversharpe8235

10 күн бұрын

@@morfy2581 You're right that those maps do feel pretty much perfect. I would still like to see small changes here and there to see if they can be improved further, but nothing drastic. For these types of maps maybe just updated graphics (when required) is all that is needed... especially mirage. And they should still exist in the map pool, not all at once, since having a map which is 'solved' is still a unique dynamic

The main reason Dust 2 was added back to Active Duty is because of the Major hosted in China later this year, D2 is hugely popular there so it will bring in more audience & viewers to have D2 for that Major.

Valve: remakes overpass for CS2 also Valve: removes overpass from the map pool

Tournament pool, yes, 9 maps. Dust2 Nuke Train Inferno Tuscan Overpass Mirage Ancient Anubis Reserve Group: Cache Vertigo Thera Cobblestone Sub-Zero Season Austria Nostalgia Group: Aztec (with a Ancient paintcoat and some changes) Fire (someone will remember this) Comrade (barely anyone will remember this) Prodigy (for the love of God, it was the first de_ map) Dust 1

I think we should have a 9 map pool, at least for premier. It feels like our options are being stripped away somewhat with CS2. Can't get a real premier rank without being forced to only play the 7 maps in the pool (And even then, everyone picks Mirage anyways), so you can't get a rank if you wanna play something like Office. Kinda the same with the weapon loadout, where you're basically forced to choose meta guns or else risk jeopardizing yourself, so off meta guns like the sawed-off and autosnipers are basically dead (Even in deathmatch , because making the buy menu look like Valorant is obviously what's important).

@roxinim6479

10 күн бұрын

autosnipers can still have a place, but they're more expensive than an awp so it doesn't get bought anyway

@fica1137

8 күн бұрын

You can, I got silver 5 rank on Office

bro I was furious when they added dust2 back in the pool. The map has had the same layout for over 20 years, which is crazy when you think about it. The map is great, don't get me wrong, but it's become so stale and boring to watch pros play on it. All the oldest maps like mirage, inferno, dust2, etc. have been basically the same for decades, and what annoys me is that people seem ok with that. The CS community is really stubborn about any kind of map changes, so the only way to add new maps is to just put them in there and force people to play on it, which is exactly what they did with vertigo back in 2019. Valve stuck it in the map pool for everyone to play, and although everyone hated it at first, it's been refined into arguably one of the best maps in the game, which is something Valve can do with any map, if they really want to. I can see their reasoning for taking out overpass, as the map is pretty CT sided, but they could have easily fixed that with any kind of change, but instead they removed it from the pool entirely. and in its place, they could have added any map in the whole world, one that has already been in the game, one from the steam workshop, anything, but they chose to add dust2. The most simple, boring map in the game that has been played probably hundreds of thousands of times. I get the map is super iconic and pretty well designed, but I, along with a bunch of other people I'm sure, just want something new, something fun, something interesting that hasn't been played for 20 years. Sorry about this yap, but it's just what i think.

@acex222

2 күн бұрын

It was crafted with the perfect layout and it's required very few changes since. de_dust2 is fucking epic, dude. Go play Valorant or stop crying.

Use this as a fuck inferno button. Can’t wait till that map is out of the active duty pool

I think they should divide the maps into tiers, have it raffled before every Major, just before the start of the qualifiers: 1 map from the "Classic" Tier Maps (Dust2, Mirage) 2 maps from the "Pro" Tier Maps (Inferno, Overpass, Train, Nuke) 4 maps from the "Regular" Tier Maps (Cache, Ancient, Vertigo, Tuscan, Anubis, plus 2 more fresh maps (I'm thinking one map from a future Mapcore contest, and one remake map like say Cobble or Season, or the 2 recent maps Mills and Thera in the meantime) At least that way, it keeps both the fans and the players on their toes, and forcing all of us to learn a lot more maps than what we do now. Just my 2 cents

I agree with 9 map pool. One of most important argument for me is that when there is a big map pool you know strats and util lineups and will not forget it over time if it gets replaced for some time and then comes back. You don't have to re-learn as much because it stays in the pool and thus your memory.

They’re stupid for removing overpass. It’s easily my favorite counter strike map of all time. A lot of players hate it because of some of the longer lanes, the head glitches, and because awps are filthy on Overpass. But no other map has that holding bathrooms and then falling back to site mid round feeling. Nuke also has a dynamic CT play style that doesn’t fall in line with the usual 2 A, 2 B, 1 Mid CT format and is always so much fun to play.

@6z0

7 күн бұрын

Valve doesn’t listen to what the community says, they listen to what the statistics show. And overpass was the least played map in the entire pool.

they removed overpass, one of the few truly different maps that allow for high level strategies and replaced it with d2, one of the simplest and tactically most boring maps in the game. at the same time they bought the rights to tuscan, another map that could provide something fresh to the pool but havent even ported it over. we now have a map pool where 4/7 maps are basic 3-laners. if they really wanted to bring back d2, the obvious choices to go would have been inferno which has been super bland to watch in recent tournaments imo anyways and is probably the only map with even less strategic depth than d2 (arguably) or mirage which is just outdated at this point. better choices for a new map would have been train, cobble, tuscan or even a completely new map

The reason i dont like the current map pool is ive played dust 2 and mirage hundreds of times, its become stale. They are solid maps but I just like some variety. Ideal map pool would probably be: Nuke, Anubis, overpass, Ancient, Train, Cache and then one new community map in this case Thera looks good. Oh and i thing once we have a bigger pool of maps finished and ready it should be 2 maps swapped out each time the map pool changes. Big fan of 9 map pool also

@morfy2581

10 күн бұрын

hell, swap even 3 or have no limit. And always have at least 1 community map. If its good, add it to the backlog for regular rotation.

@Kacpa2

8 күн бұрын

Most fun i have paying Counter strike nowadays i on Condition Zero on a french server that plays new custom maps with no voting each time. There are hundreds of maps in the map pool. Its never stale and always fun. Being stuck with 5-6 maps especially.after valve aupisly ruined what made CSGO fun outside the gameplay(ct/T factions and their unique voicelines on each map, music variety from pre panomarama days for og ost). Replacing CSGO in this Overwatch 2 way horrible too..

Crt in the background, melee background at the start of the video; do you play melee? If so you have good taste

praying for Mills to be added to active duty (thought the chance is low especially considering what happened with the last catfood map)

@px8

10 күн бұрын

the map looks so generic and boring imo, i dont rly like it, what do you like about it can i ask?

@Beyersdorff

10 күн бұрын

what happened?

@Terrown

10 күн бұрын

@@px8 I agree. I just played it in a internal 5v5 and it feels stale already, the bombsites are totally fine, but both sites having only 1 narrow chokepoint while the mid part is easily defended makes it somewhat boring and CT-sided af (2x smokes = 40sec of waiting every round).

@anishr8008

10 күн бұрын

@@px8 it is another basic 4 square layout however the way mid is set-up with the bakery side feels interesting. Cover on sites feels unique and the sandbag boost+post plant options around the truck feel fun. Would be interesting to see high level play of it. A lot more interesting than other maps due to the sheer nature of it being new.

@anishr8008

10 күн бұрын

@@Beyersdorff catfood made the Tuscan remake which Valve bought the rights for (same time as Anubis I believe) but hasn't been used since GO

The Atlanta Major did not have the randomized map veto. Cologne '16 was the last one having that.

the biggest misconception is that maps need to be balanced. oh i miss old nuke. it also made the game interesting

@Mate_Antal_Zoltan

10 күн бұрын

Right. It doesn't really matter if a map is CT-sided or not, because you switch sides in the middle of the game. It's also a good marker of skill for both teams, if you can't win as CTs on a CT-sided map, you suck, and if you win against CTs on a CT-sided map, you're at an above-average skill level.

Subbed at 2k subs, nice to see your channel grow!

10:00 the problem with 9 map pool would be that in a normal bo3, each team would have 2 permabans at the start anyways, so that would barely change anything, that would even stay in a bo5, the only change would be maybe to bo1. Unless we make veto look like -1, -1, +1, +1, -2, -2, +1

i personally would like the following map pool to shake things up 1) Cobblestone 2) Train 3) Tuscan 4) Nuke 5) Cache 6) Thera 7) Inferno

I think the process of how the map pool rotates is the one thing that really needs to change. Everybody's got a different opinion on what maps are best, so arguing whether D2 was the right map to add or if Overpass was the right map to remove is kinda a waste of time. But for everyone's sake, there's gotta be a consistent process for announcing changes to the pool. Dropping it into a random update without warning is just not a player-friendly system.

It should've been -Vertigo +Dust 2, although I'm not entirely mad that Overpass went instead, because that was one of the least popular maps in the pool due to it being a map where a good AWPer is oppressive and it was also incredibly CT sided, to the point of it not being fun. Dust 2 is also a map where a good AWPer is oppressive, but it's one of two maps that are distinctly T sided which is fun.

8:43 I might be wrong, cus I didnt watch it live, but hltv lists grand final veto as if 3rd map was picked by astralis (via banning 1 of 2 remaining maps). Only bo1 was affected by randomness where last 2 remaining maps were random

I don't dislike dust2 but a pool with dust2, mirage, and ancient which are similar...too much for me

@kiramaticc

10 күн бұрын

Yup. Would rather take Mirage out since it's been in for so long. Ancient just feels good to watch and play right now, think it will be a mainstay for years to come.

Two vids in less than 24 hours, u are spoiling us bro

I would love a map pool of D2, Cache, Train, Nuke, Overpass, Ancient, and Anubis. This is just my personal opinion, and heavily directed by my matchmaking bias.

@huntercollins3731

10 күн бұрын

Oh hell yeah

@guilhermeeduardo933

10 күн бұрын

Great map pool!

Great video. I really like this format

Dust2 is added back in large part due to it being a fairly playable map for a huge part of the community that still relies on potato PCs to play the game. Remember that the community is world wide and outside of the US and EU is a huge community that doesn't have last gen hardware. Having said this, no one still agrees on what map "should" have been replaced. A lot of people want Mirage gone, a lot though the prime candidate was Inferno. I've heard people complain about Vertigo and also Overpass. So there is NOT a consensus in the community about what map to remove, let alone what map to add in. So Dust2 being the iconic map that it is, and also the one Valve won't update to maintain its playability, it was the logical choice.

I would also like to see more bo5 series. Haven't played cs frequently in a while due to university but coming back to MR12 makes the matches fly by way too fast that even though each round is more important now, each round doesn't have the impact or oomph behind it because of how short the matches are. You start losing, you lose.

his tv stuck at infinite loading loop 🤯🤯🤯

I low-key kinda like the randomizer. It has the potential to force teams to know more maps. If you're the best team in the world, that should be at the whole game, not just being best at pick/bans

It's so funny that the community in my bubble talks about stale map pool, remove Mirage, add more maps to rotation and so on, while the larger community is so up against changes. And it makes me sad. I wish for an operation with interesting community maps, which you can explore and learn to play without sweaty players using the same tactics from match to match. But as some other commenters already said, you have to force this down players throats, or else they will play same fukken Mirage for eternity and be quasi-happy

@SuperGo5c

8 күн бұрын

Which "larger community" are you talking about?

I would love to see 2 maps change after every major adding one new map and 1 returning map

ayo is that a stoneflower vinyl??

-mirage -vertigo -dust +tuscan +train +random map on workshop(or maybe cobble but i want new stuff)

@thisiskret

10 күн бұрын

Yes

@SuperGo5c

8 күн бұрын

they made new "hallowen" version of cobble and nobody wanted to play on it

@toast3188

8 күн бұрын

@@SuperGo5c because it was terrible

Valve's insistence on keeping Vertigo would be more respectable if they removed Mirage from the map pool

this whole topic of discussion reminds me of the thescore video about mirage, i dont remember exactly but the title is something along the lines of "the best map that nobody wants to play anymore". yes, dust2 is a good map. it's stood the test of time for a reason. but at this point it's just fucking boring to watch and even play for me at this point

If we could just get... cs_assault de_dust de_piranesi de_prodigy fy_pool_day he_dodgeball he_glass I'd be more excited to play CS2.

what is this background music

my complaint is that ancient, mirage, and dust 2 are pretty much the same map layout with a different coat of paint

8:37 Actually I think this fact is JUST barely wrong. I believe Eleague Atlanta was the FIRST major without the random map 3 selection. At least, that's how my memory and HLTV seem to line up. So, the Luminosity back-to-back majors were the last 2 majors with the randomizer, if you want to put context.

@callum5855

10 күн бұрын

Just checked the VOD from the finals, this is correct. At E-LEAGUE Atlanta 2017 teams got a 2nd round of bans.

live edits are an awesome idea

We haven't had a new map for a year and half with Anubis and before that Ancient in 2020 so were most likely due to get a new map for the next map change. Still hoping we can get rid of stale maps like mirage, dust2, and inferno, just because their good doesn't mean there isn't other great maps that can take their place. Varity is the spice of life after all.

Dust 2 is fundamentally flawed because of its double choke point nature. Each site has a choke which can be util’d off literally the entire round, every round. It leads to stale play

This map pool is sooo stale. Dust 2? CMON... Overpass at least got a nice make over from its port to CS2, and it gets removed for dust 2.... Ancient and Anubis honestly the only maps I still want in the map pool. Inferno looks nice but plays not so well right now. Small changes to all the maps could really just help freshen things up. But please can we get some new maps.

yeah I don't know why they don't just add more, like you don't need to replace maps, just add more maps.

I want Agency back!! More hostage maps, Danger zone without the silly launch pads and forced duo's

I think they should have added many more maps to the game. It's so boring to have such a limited amount of maps. But I think this will change with the upcoming operation. Still they should add way more maps. They should introduce a whole new cycle of maps all new to people so it will be about fun again.

-ancient +thera -anubis +mills -mirage +train -vertigo +cobblestone

@karhu07

10 күн бұрын

No

@xoxo98808

10 күн бұрын

Based

@zorgapb4691

10 күн бұрын

No chance in hell. You people don't like Mirage because everyone knows that map and you get owned every time. The map is one of the best balanced maps out there

@baph0met

10 күн бұрын

No, Vertigo and Mirage stays. Mills is a trash map, Thera is just a clunky Overwatch map. -anubis +cache That's all that's needed.

@zorgapb4691

10 күн бұрын

@@baph0met Exactly. Anubis needs to go away. Bringing back Cache is a must

How about night-time map versions and seasonal changes with weather changes

Hi Penguin. Thanks for the video ! Quuck bit of feedback on your editing : could you pretty please turn the background music down just a little bit or, alternatively, add subtitles? It would help a lot of people with hearing disabilities or whose native tongue is not English 😊 It is otherwise great to see your face and get your takes on the map pool❤

overpass is one of my favourite maps last time i saw one of my favourite maps leave the map pool, it never returned (train)

I don't think dust2, ancient, anubis, and cache should exist simultaneously in the pool. All very simple 3 lane grid like maps that overlap each other too much. One or two of these mixed with train, cbbl, vertigo, and inferno would be nice. Mirage just needs a time out... maybe replace with season or one of the other old operation maps.

9 maps would suck. Easy to suggest 9 maps, for someone who doesn't have to continuously rehearse all nade lineups, and who doesn't plan on becoming good at entire map pool. And what the heck, in the usual premier, it's a wonder to find teammates that knows a lineup or two in the current 7 map pool. 9 maps would be just be a way to further dull down already a dull map knowledge of majority cs players. I imagine same problem would apply on pro matches, having to split their time on more maps.

I would say it's more stale than bad. They need to get rid of dust2 and mirage. Dust2 should have never been brought back. Cobble needs to be reverted to it's original layout at csgo release before it was butchered, cache is coming but it could be over a year away. Tuscan would be nice, its a remake of a classic staple from 1.6, people would love it. Inferno needs to go, too. It's like watching 2 AIs playing chess, the map is so beyond solved at this point it just puts people to sleep, every round of every game plays out one of a couple ways, every time. I would also like them to at least attempt to experiment with hostage rescue or even vip. Not on maps that already exist, obviously, assault and militia are unbalanced jokes. I think a map built specifically for hostage rescue at the pro level could be something new and exciting and fresh, which is what the game needs. You're right, new smokes wasn't enough.

I think we need some new blood in the map pool not reworks. I want to see a map that has NEVER been played before something actually new and creative. I wish competitive was reworked and used by valve to experiment with new maps and leave premier for established maps.

when tf are agnecy and lake coming

i kinda hated the change at t spawn so you cant awp right away at mid

ooo crucial mistake releasing this video before pool day gets added oo ..

I think they added Dust2 back for the Chinese Major

They used those versions of the maps for the major?

@SuperGo5c

8 күн бұрын

I have checked nuke and overpass from the event and it look like he is wrong with overpass version. See for example "Fnatic vs. Dignitas (Map 2) - ESL One Cologne 2014", they played on different version of the map. But on the other hand nuke a site looks like on his video "Cloud9 vs. NiP Gaming (Map 1) - ESL One Cologne 2014"

I just want to jump around trains again ):

we simply need more community maps, there should always be 1-2 community maps in the pool, never 0.

expand the pool and make it somewhat random what choices you have. 12 maps pick from 7 random ones.

I'm loving the uptick in videos recently. I'm still a little mad that you lied about being a Penguin, though

as there isnt any videos uploaded on the new channel just yet, I hope you just keep to one channel if the topics are the same anyways. I think having an extra channel just for side content is a miss for people who already enjoy your content on your main channel. as (at least I) dont keep up with multiple channels even though I love all of their content, with a big example of 3/2/" "-klikspilip

They need to bring back Cobble, Black Gold, and Chlorine

I also really would like a 9 map pool

reason overpass was removed was it was the least played map in pro scene. they dont care if you like it or not, this is numbers. after dust2 is back, vertigo is the least played map rn.

Any chance you will co-stream on KZread? I truuuuly hate Twitch and their seven 30 second ads in a row.

wow i love historical cs videos. awesome content dude. please keep up the good work

I stopped playing when they retired zoo/workout/season. Those were such fun maps and were a different layout than the typical 3 lane rehash that all the other maps were.

I have always been garbage on cache but it is one of the best maps and would want it in the pool. I would rather have a good map pool then the one that benefits me the best. I think their should be map pool seasons where they rotate as well. Nine map pool does sounds kind of cool.

How is the cs map pool more stale than the tf2 comp map pool. Like process, sunshine, and snakewater have been played for years, and the only one that feels stale is snakewater. Mainly due to a hard to break last hold and a bland mid.

Penguin, you had to push this video out because of the new update supposedly coming soon huh? lol

Before watching this I think Valve should just replace all 3 dusty maps (dust 2, mirage, anubis) with Train, Cache and Cobble. Bam, fixed.

if i was rich i d still all cs mechanics and make a new game that would have many maps to choose and not the same ones like in cs that are there for 20 effing years this is unreal

bro ur audio volumem is going up and down, kinda annoying having to keep adjusting my vol just for to hear u or be blast to deaf

What does the randomiser have to do with the map pool? That’s a completely seperate thing. This map pool is the worst by far and it’s not even close

as a spectator watching pro play i must say the only kinda bad map rn is inferno the good one being actually all 3 new maps chronologically release (anubis, ancient, new vertigo reworks) all of this probably because pro teams had so many strat to utilize nowdays, esp T side and so map layout play big role on that mention, the last 2 release map got the best layout for defaulting and contest early-midround while maintaining good overview on how to approach late round depending the situation. nuke is kinda weird since it ct sided but it is the best thing to see when pro team as t side won gun round there

De Dust 2 deserves everything to be in active map pool

same happens with figthing games, people want new characters but still play the same 5 since 2 decades.

Hey man love the vid and your content as a whole! Only thing to note for me is that the constant jump cuts when you pause or slow down speaking makes it feels really jarring and harder to pay attention. Either way keep up the hard work mate its paying off!

The randomizer was not present at Atlanta 2017 - You can go back and watch the youtube VOD to see the bans. How did you come to the conclusion that this was in place until 2017? Edit: On top of this, you've completely misunderstood the timeline when the map pool went from 5 to 7 maps. The screenshot you showed was the original Overpass, released in the Winter Offensive update in late 2013. You show the original B bomb site, which was patched to (essentially) what it is today five months before ESL One Cologne 2014. These maps were literally never in the pool in the state that you reference! Haven't looked into whether or not you got the Cobblestone screenshot correct, but doubt it. One of your central tenants is how the Cologne 2014 map pool was worse than we have now, but it doesn't seem you understand what the maps looked like when they were played at that tournament! This research is insanely bad - it takes like 10 minutes to boot up one of these maps and check it out for yourself. Or, hell, 3kliksphilip has a whole history of the map!

@ablazyy4905

10 күн бұрын

yeah I think the random pick was only in best of 1s for that major

-ancient -inferno -dust2 -mirage -vertigo -anubis +season +tulip +resort +zoo +marquis +workout +overgrown +blackgold +cache

Penguin looks like anthpo woah he prity :)

Honestly valve just made map pool even harder to fix for themselves. Now we have 3 big candidates to get removed (Mirage, dust2 and vertigo) and assuming they can remove only 1 map per change we're just stuck with weak map pool for a while. Instead of removing mirage and adding some fresh map, OG map or just Tuscan that they literally bought from the creator, we get very lazy pick which is dust2. It needs to go asap, its played out, boring and feels very outdated. It is the worst map in the pool even worse then my personal enemy - Ancient lol. But well theres 1 more thing, some of the older csgo maps might not work with new grenades. Best example of it might be inferno that got to "unplayable" point bc of new huge molotovs and smokes. Inferno is the reason they completely nerfed ct molotovs, and map somewhat feels better now. I dont know if train or cobble would work well with new util. They have to adjust maps to it, maybe thats why it takes them so long to release anything. + WHERE TF IS OPERATION

@baph0met

10 күн бұрын

Removing Mirage would remove half the player base. They already made a blunder by removing Overpass. And removing Vertigo now that it's actually playable and fun would ruin the game entirely. Remove Ancient and Anubis.

@michalmatulewicz

10 күн бұрын

@@baph0met -ancient would be fantastic but wont happen anytime soon, both of this maps are still quite new

@baph0met

10 күн бұрын

@@michalmatulewicz I don't mind Ancient staying, but Anubis has to go, one of the worst maps, maybe even worse than Train. It looks amazing but plays horrible. Anubis out, Cache in.

@michalmatulewicz

10 күн бұрын

@@baph0met wow i see we have completely opposite opinions since i always enjoyed train (even tho it had many issues) and i definitely prefer anubis over ancient. I mean ancient offers 0 fun you know the map is like -30 min of your life lol

6:26 "people love cobblestone" lmao Also I LOVE dust2. All hail dust2. Yes it is imperfect (unlike csgo's inferno, maybe) but it has soul. Some crazy stuff happens there you never see on other maps. "but very played out" "but we're bored" then get mirage out.

Remember the Subzero community map? Why not update that and add it with Cashe; replace Mirage and Dust2

I see myself in the chat! YIPEEE!

a lot of people seem to hate mirage. i personally still like the map but i think ancient, dust 2 and inferno are absolute ass tho. but i do sometimes wish mirage got the vertigo treatment. i like the map how it is but seeing all vertigo changes really puts into perspective how much you can turn a map around.

I like the new inferno a lot more and with the new cs2 incendiary changes this is going to be lot more exciting

back 2 back uploads.... i must be dreaming