They called this property a hunting lodge. They were hunters, they had guns all around the property. I don't see why it is so hard to believe that he picked up one gun and put it down and then picked up another gun.

@lovepet4565

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@kalidilerious

Жыл бұрын

agree. also this was at his home where he had ample time and opportunity to do this. plus (call me simple) the rifle or shotty could have been strapped and slung over the shoulder/back.

@maryjohnson6796

Жыл бұрын

I agree but I just figured the defendant use two weapons to throw people off.

@lovepet4565

Жыл бұрын

@@maryjohnson6796 i think so too. But he also killed at different times close together

@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986

Жыл бұрын

@@kalidilerious EXACTLY! Why are people continuing to say this man “picked up/put down” guns?! When In reality he was probably wearing both weapons.

I think he purposely used two guns to create the doubt of one shooter!

@lilg2300

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

Nobody even knew about the chicken farm in the middle of a hog infested swamp.

@rochelle2269

Жыл бұрын

Me too. He’s an attorney, I’m sure he knows what causes doubt. He may have even researched it.

@loveisgolden4321

Жыл бұрын

I agree, i thought that as soon as i heard about the 2 guns. Everything that he did before and after the murders was suspicious. It says to me he knew of or committed the murders himself.

@PresleysMom504

Жыл бұрын

Me too!!

That’s probably why he used 2 weapons to raise reasonable doubt!! He’s an attorney & he fired weapons all the time

@sophocles1198

Жыл бұрын

Two weapons does not raise much doubt but you have to go with what you've got

@nexpro6118

Жыл бұрын

So, that's just a theory, right? You're not saying that's what happened? If so, you're for a court system that can call someone guilty based on one's personal opinion then?

Being a lawyer Alex could have planned it that way. He’s going to know how to throw off an investigation.

@pamyclark1263

Жыл бұрын

Plus he did it at night which makes it more difficult.

@julesbee6249

Жыл бұрын

@@pamyclark1263 , humid and before rain, too.

@CityBohoGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@julesbee6249 Sick mf

@eleanoraquitaine2966

Жыл бұрын

Except Mr. Smart Lawyer forgot how cell phones can cook your goose. In this case, his phone, his wife's phone, his son's phone, and his son's friend's phone that he was talking to minutes before the murder PLUS triangulation/location of all their phones. Ooops.

@kittygonzalez2827

Жыл бұрын

The theory is possible, but when seeking drugs, all educated people run on a non-intelligent basis....anything goes...Logic is not possible when brain chemistry is firing on the wrong neurons if firing at all. It’s the equivalent to starving, and the need to feed is all one can focus upon.

There isn't a second shooter. Alex shot Paul in the head with the shotgun and knew he was dead because it blew his head off. I think Maggie ran towards the sound of the gunshot because she was worried about her family and wanted to make sure they were alright. Alex switched to the loaded rifle and shot her repeatedly to make sure she was dead too. He's a lawyer. He knew using 2 different guns would create a "second shooter" theory. I think it was planned which explains why Alex told Maggie to meet him out there that night in the first place. Why would he talk her into meeting him out there and then go take a nap and visit his mom instead?

@carolynscruggs2516

Жыл бұрын

I've been following this since June 7, 2021. I seem to remember hearing something where Alex was saying to Paul, at the kennels, Paul, why did you have to get involved in this?

@sandraleigh4023

Жыл бұрын

@@carolynscruggs2516

@psfanboy79

Жыл бұрын

It ejected Paul’s brain pretty much in tact out the top of his skull n landed at his feet

@Rosemary-gn6pz

Жыл бұрын

I think you meant Alex switched guns!???

@smylyface

Жыл бұрын

@@Rosemary-gn6pz Oops! I did. Thanks for letting me know. It's fixed.😊

I think AM planned to use the “two guns two shooters” as a defense strategy, to throw off suspension. I believe one shooter two guns.

@nancygodsey8312

Жыл бұрын

I think so too. I think he could have shot the son first And the mother as she was leaving the scene. Then left with the bloody raincoat and guns to go to his mother's house.

@TeeTV22

Жыл бұрын

Suspension? God help you…..

@InjuriousPersonalities

Жыл бұрын

@@TeeTV22 hahaha. I bet it was autocorrect

@LadyBug-cc3ep

Жыл бұрын

Rhonda yes I agree with you

@Rosemary-gn6pz

Жыл бұрын

@@InjuriousPersonalities auto correct strikes again!! For Sure

He absolutely is capable of trying to pre-fabricate an idea of there being two shooters. I just don’t think he anticipated Buster being suspected.

@WhiteRabbit1209

Жыл бұрын

I believe he would’ve thrown his son under the bus, and just let him take the fall for it all.

@katshotz6033

Жыл бұрын

Unless he had his older son help him !

@margricks

Жыл бұрын

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this monster let his defense atty blame his other son.

@nexpro6118

Жыл бұрын

Is that possible (using one and then picking up another, yes) but....is it common(as in, has there been a common/decent amount of murders where more than I gun was used by 1 person?) That answer is, no. It's been very uncommon. So...using, past case history and past preseden of other murder(s) and law(s) and the big one.....FACTS/EVIDENCE? It blows me away how so many people use, personal, biased feelings and views AND have no knowledge and no training and no experience in said topic(s) constantly give their 2 cents on what happened or didn't happen. Lol. The amount of arrogance and ignorance at the exact same time is mind blowing ha

@miaknig3130

Жыл бұрын

@@nexpro6118 you're describing your own reply re: arrogance / ignorance. Your random placement of commas and dots tells me you're v young and nescient yourself, unless English is not your primary language. BTW you know you're not "lol" unless you happen to be seeing your reflection. You go Ms. Lots O'Dots🤣

There is no second shooter.

If I were Alex Murdaugh and I wanted it to look like I was not involved, I would use 2 different weapons.

@Angelia359

Жыл бұрын

Right. It would make it seem like there were 2 separate shooters.

@patricklary81

Жыл бұрын

I agree but how would you keep the one that hasn't been shot yet from running away? That's what I have a hard time with. They were both found basically within feet of each other.

@Stillhovering

Жыл бұрын

@@patricklary81 why would 2 shooters leave two Gina at the crime scene no one does that he just over thought this lol

@lnteIIigence

Жыл бұрын

@@patricklary81 You're so clever.

@patricklary81

Жыл бұрын

@@Stillhovering they didn't leave 2 guns at the scene. They can't prove which shotgun was used because shotguns don't leave rifling markings, and the ar-15 style gun has never been found. The guns they have in court are random guns from their home. None of which they can actually prove was used.

It's totally possible to use two guns loaded if planned. Kept in his vehicle or hiding place, till needed. I think Paul was shot first. Maggie wasn't near, but heard the shots. Switch weapons,⁸ shoot her in the leg from a distance to wound her. Got closer to execute.

@Graham1046

Жыл бұрын

I still say cousin Eddie did the shooting. Naggie heard the shooting and then turned to run away.

@cellanddanielle

Жыл бұрын

@@Graham1046 naggie lol

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

Do they show "Murder she wrote" re-runs?

@ldebrobander

Жыл бұрын

Maggie was shot at close range....

@kwazimokava6499

Жыл бұрын

Thats disturbing but sounds accurate.

Premeditated. Alex lured Maggie to the property. Very possible (even probable) that he set up 2 long guns near the kennel. Maybe one in the vehicle? He's tried criminal cases in the past. He's a savvy lawyer. He knows what questions will be asked. He had canned responses, at least in terms of his "linked to the boat crash" responses. from the last know communication on Pauls/Maggies phones, to the time first responders arrived, there was ample time to clean up and get rid of bloody clothes and guns. He could have driven for an hour to dispose of items.

@thatcanadianchick7589

Жыл бұрын

Not 'savvy'... 'shady' lawyer !!

@carolinagirl740

Жыл бұрын

I've been thinking maybe he was set up out of revenge but your theory seems more probable. Who says that he killed both at the same time he could have like you said lured Maggie there then after supper killed one the other heard the shots and he then hunted Maggie down like prey

@mmeduvennet3316

Жыл бұрын

Alex Murdock planned what he thought was a perfect crime of his family members! 😩😩 Knowledge he collected from criminal cases . used it to his advantage. Would love to see how columbo would have solve this absolutely will be a feature film 🎥 or miniseries.

@anitaklara7428

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@brerrabbit9668

Жыл бұрын

None of what you said makes sense with the evidence in rhe trial. He couldn't even plan his own killing without notching it up, but you think he's gonna kill his son who he loved dearly with a shotgun under the chin while standing six inches away from him and covering himself in the boys blood, bits of skull fragments, small pieces of brain matter, teeth, pieces of eyeball... Have you ever seen what a shotgun under the chin will do? I have, up close, more than once. You have to hate the person you're doing that to because you're basking in the fountain of biological material that's gonna rain down on you whe you pull that trigger. Murdaugh couldn't have done that and held it together. And don't we have people in that community that actually had a reason to want Paul to suffer while he died? To want to enjoy the fact that they're taking everything away from Alec and getting revenge for the dead girl all at the same time?

Ugh at this headline. Buster was across the state easily four hours away at the time.

@MissSpaz

Жыл бұрын

How do you know?

@darlenebrown6413

Жыл бұрын

Read that he lived and worked in Rock Hill Charlotte area.

@rickdrescher9690

Жыл бұрын

Really? Even though his phone was at the property filming dogs only a couple of hours before.

@tracygee

Жыл бұрын

Buster is the younger son. Paul is the son that was at the property.

@tracygee

Жыл бұрын

It has been reported. He lived and worked in Rock Hill at the time.

Angenette, on using two guns, we are talking about a very experienced hunter, who owned dozens, and as a lawyer, I believe knew he needed to do as many things as possible to cast diversion leaving reasonable doubt, including the overkill b/c it would be harder to believe it was him…IMHO

@amorl4520

Жыл бұрын

I agree, He is involved and the big picture it was his life spiraling. Entitled all his life. Maggie would NOT co sign a loan he took out using beach house in her name she is useless to him and discards her like Narcissist do. The son is just as useless to him to. crying in court to look or appear like a normal guy who did not kill his wife/son. Lies about checking his kids pulse. Who would want to even get that close. ? Very gross.

@jenniferbaker3678

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but can’t convict if there’s reasonable doubt.

@jenniferbaker3678

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully the prosecution has ample evidence

Come on, man! He used two guns to confuse the case, which is EXACTLY what is happening! He is an attorney, after all.

@barbaramoore4028

Жыл бұрын

Excellent comment. Thanks 👍

@marinz4life

Жыл бұрын

But he wasn’t wise enough to disable his cell phone tracker (or use a burner) or disable the OnStar ((or drive a beater)? I’d think someone wise enough to layer a double murder with such a precision alibi thinks of the circumstantial gift that location trackers would be! The 2-gun/separate tools-to-kill theory is super-presumptuous of the exact locations of the parties and their reactions, etc. I have no idea exactly what happened and I’m certain Alex knows the truth…but the story we’re working with is wrought with holes and it’s not going to at all surprise me if his conviction is overturned.

She's been with the CIA and the FBI, and she served in Afghanistan, but she's never heard of a gun strap, that allows a person to carry a long gun over the shoulder, or right across the chest? She is not an "expert", except in title only.

@makeup_lover_clarissaw

Жыл бұрын

Am not an expert and I know of them too!

@jarrettcartin4309

Жыл бұрын

Some call them a sling though

@freedomartwork6950

Жыл бұрын

Also she talks about the weight & bulk of the guns - but she's a smaller female, and Alex is 6' and over 200 lbs (at the time of the shooting), plus an experienced hunter. He would think nothing of the weight or bulk of the guns.

@no-sway3709

Жыл бұрын

She thinks an AR is a large rifle lmao. I guess she's never heard of 3 gun matches.

@MrBlue-observes

Жыл бұрын

I am 6'2" 220lb and can carry a few super light waterfowl shotguns, they are very, very light so the hunter can get on target real fast. I build guns, was an NSA officer, a police officer, military intelligence officer, and strangely enough. A walterboro police investigator in 2001/2002 before moving to Charleston PD. This man is as guilty & sick as they come. 2 guns was his way of throwing off the investigation. These 2 weapons probably weighed a total of 10lbs combined. A 6' experienced hunter can easily handle them. Anyone who says otherwise has never been a 6'+ man & gone hunting.

I like how the defense is like no 2 people showed up to kill Paul with no weapons and just hoped they would get Alex's guns and knew where they were

@anyH20

Жыл бұрын

Yes, kind of funny how the two mysterious shooters knew where they would be, where the guns were, that Maggie was going to be there instead of the beach house and left no evidence at all. Plus, if Alex was out there with them which the video clearly shows why wasn't he killed too.

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

@@anyH20 exactly ! Two other people with him not involved is the biggest joke… they fools never know they would be there, they wouldn’t be using Alex’s guns, and he says he was still there why didn’t they kill him 2 or he heard the shots. It’s the stupidest defense and clearly not true

@brerrabbit9668

Жыл бұрын

@@subobing3551 you don't understand how reasonable doubt works do you? The defense isn't coming up with a concrete theory of the crime. They're asking the people testifying if the evidence shown could also be evidence of something other than what the prosecution is claiming. The prosecution has to run their theories out. Otherwise it looks like they are just trying to lynch the defendant. Which is exactly what it looks like right now

@debanydoombringer1385

Жыл бұрын

They don't have the murder weapons so how do you know they were his guns? You don't. You're guessing and assuming based on zero evidence. The defense is saying even if they were, which it's impossible to know, this is an explanation for it. According to the prosecution witnesses there were tire tracks there that don't belong to any known vehicle. Responsible doubt right there.

He wanted people to believe there were two shooters.

@doriscastillo8020

Жыл бұрын

They want to put the judges in doubts.

God I hope Buster had nothing to do with this heinous crime. It would quadruple the tragedy if he did.

@MrJanes-cl5sj

Жыл бұрын

tragedy? This is a family of some of the most vile monsters the USA has ever produced. The tragedy is that he didn't kill them all and himself.

@irenedemarco1354

Жыл бұрын

What about the boy who was a hit and run under horrific circumstances... There are allegations that Buster was tied into that crime???

@Name_em

Жыл бұрын

@@irenedemarco1354 I think it was more that his name was brought up in the course of the investigation because Stephen Smith and Buster were in the same class. I could be wrong, but Buster has cooperated with the investigations thus far. I have a feeling he wants to distance himself from Alex and the criminality surrounding the rest of his family. I imagine he knows his father, Alex, is involved in the murder of Maggie and Paul.

@TeeTV22

Жыл бұрын

@@irenedemarco1354 I am so sick of idiots continuously bringing up Buster and Stephen Smith. Buster didn’t kill that boy and that had nothing to do with these double murders at the Murdaugh property.

@MissSpaz

Жыл бұрын

@@TeeTV22 How do you know? He wasn't hit by a car, by the way.

I've thought this from the very beginning. Alex & Buster definitely acted together.

@SavedbyHisGrace73

Жыл бұрын

I certainly wouldn't be surprised but didn't they actually place him somewhere else?

As I watched his son testifying yesterday the thought of him being involved in the killing of his own mother and brother did crossed my mind. He didn't appeared to be sad at all.

@BarbaraEMarshallCampbell

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought so watched Buster's expression carefully throughout the trial. I saw peace, happiness, self entitlement, smug, an arrogance, and even self pride but never once did he display distress, sadness and sorrow, anger, any emotion that displayed grief from loss, or horror, nothing. I found myself wondering if this young man killed his brother then his mother for financial reasons maybe some jealousy.

@margaretjackson498

Жыл бұрын

His lack of emotion concerned me as well. I don’t know if I think he was involved in these murders though. I am more concerned that he has inherited his fathers narcissistic or sociopathic characteristics.

@hectornegron9155

Жыл бұрын

@@BarbaraEMarshallCampbell I thought of the possibility of his father covering up for him.

@hectornegron9155

Жыл бұрын

@@margaretjackson498 Perhaps thinking about inherititing whatever properties his family owns.

Nobody knows how the whole drama unfolded:Maggie might have been in the house and when she heard the shooting of Paul ran outside and that is when Alex could have shot her with the other weapon! I wouldn’t be surprised Buster was involved in this too: the way he behaves in court my goodness so puffed up and arrogant!!

@pambatterman6154

Жыл бұрын

Maggie was at the kennels with Paul and Alex on video at 8:44.

Buster had a solid alibi, for goodness sake! Follow the evidence. Don't make up new theories in the middle of the trial.

@enchanted376

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Someone mentions a name and boy do people take off running with it. If they all looked and listened for themselves they would know that Buster was cleared with a solid alibi with him being 4 hours away.

@islanderbyrd1881

Жыл бұрын

He could have left his phone at home & have his GF vouch for him BUT I think Alex's brothers removed the evidence from his Mom's house. Dirty People!

He was more concerned about his status and reputation and his family was expendable. Very sick human being!

@jennywilliams531

Жыл бұрын

He's too arrogant & made a few mistakes. Thinking people would feel sorry for him and not put the puzzle together. He was too smart to make those mistakes, Especially being a lawyer and knowing how things could be traced back to him. He simply panicked because so many people were hating him, he owed so much money, been caught in lies & He felt the chips around him falling down. But I think more importantly, he thinks that he is The most intelligent Person in the room and demeans everyone elses intelligence, , that was his downfall

@sjordan7085

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes, people who climb the ladder of success, have less and less compassion, the higher up they go, because greed takes over.

OMG, the crime scene was evidently horrifying. I hope they all take care and stay mentally healthy. 🙏❤

@leahanderson30

Жыл бұрын

Hmm they’re blank slates/sociopathic

@onioni111111

Жыл бұрын

Wtf?

@jd7936

9 ай бұрын

I agree those first responders all involved sled local police what they seen an see has to take a toll may God bless an keep them safe ❤️🙏

Why wouldn't Alex be terrified that someone was on his property and going to kill him too? If I was him after seeing those bodies, I'd be hiding until law enforcement arrived.

Two guns could have been away to give the idea that this was done by more than one person! It could have just as easily been one person. Alec going home to get a gun, could have given him opportunity to do a lot of different things. I find it hard to believe that he would not already have a pistol in his car as so many people do. I find his story to be fishy!

@elizabethwhitmore3381

Жыл бұрын

I agree. For him to be such an avid shooter, and being from the South, it would be highly unlikely he didn’t have a weapon in his vehicle. I live in the South where people take their gun rights seriously, and almost all carry.

@4H2O4EVER

Жыл бұрын

And its working because many on here think there was two shooters. I think he did it.

@mariaelenaarata303

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that story about him going up to house to get a gun seemed sus right from the start

Why would she throw that out there, what a piece of Sheet. Your mom and brother got killed, and some no name reporter throws your name out like that.

@AFloridaSon

Жыл бұрын

Probably because 1/2 of the internet is saying he's involved, so she gave him an out.

@patricklary81

Жыл бұрын

You know these reporters are bottom feeding parasites. They don't care about what they say.

@prawnee9827

Жыл бұрын

Scummy right?

I thought he could. I believe there was an agreement between Alex and Buster for those two to survive so Buster could collect Mommy's millions and save the family name. Paul and his mother were casualties to eliminate all the Alex Murdaugh financial issues and to eliminate Paul's mistake on the boat that caused the death of Mallory and the mess that created for the family name to be cleared. History repeats itself! Remember, these people are all about the money on every level!

@BlakeHayes1

Жыл бұрын

Uhhh… the family name has not been cleared 😅

@littledarlingwendy

Жыл бұрын

What paul did was not a mistake. It was a choice. Pls stop excusing this

@nicholasbogdan5552

Жыл бұрын

Everyone should be all about the money if your not your a loser that should be the most important thing in every normal persons life because without it you have no life period!

Listen to the jail conversations between Alex and Buster… it’s chilling. Like they are talking in a family code. Mostly the “talk” about Alex wanting Buster to “hunt” on Moselle. Replace these words and it’s an entirely different conversation

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he wanted Buster to kill the maid that was living at moselle she knew too much

@sandraadams7821

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like they were tryn to dissolve all the assets into money... because the attorney for the boat accident was about to freeze all and any assets. I think there's hidden money for Buster. He sits in court looking like a spoiled, rich, arogant, young man from a powerful family

@sandraadams7821

Жыл бұрын

It's been said Buster hated the maid

@mariaelenaarata303

Жыл бұрын

Agree!

My opinion here: Everyone knows Buster wasn’t the second shooter. However, law enforcement know that Alex likely concocted this to make it seem like it must’ve been two shooters, pulling the blame away from himself. He just didn’t antipasto the cops to turn it around, and use it to inflict pressure on him. Now, they have thorn in that plan. Buster. They’re going to put pressure on Alex to confess or give up information, as he tries to clear Buster’s name, knowing Buster is innocent and he himself just used two weapons to try and create a narrative for law enforcement and first responders.

@4H2O4EVER

Жыл бұрын

I'd have arrested Buster as well and charged him. Watch him turn on his father then!

@myaliasnameis

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think he gives one iota about Buster’s ‘name.’ He’s a psychopath.

@smylyface

Жыл бұрын

He blew Paul's head off to try and cover up his financial crimes. Do you honestly believe that he cares that much about his other son?

@carolynscruggs2516

Жыл бұрын

I thought Buster was in NC during the murders.

@sandraleigh4023

Жыл бұрын

That might be one of the funniest autocorrect's I've seen!!!

This crime scene was handled extremely poorly! They had no evidence markers next to any spent rounds nor did they use a measuring reference when taking pictures of footprints.

I wondered that from first day he entered the court room and asked his son if he was ok. I think Alex is trying to protect his son Buster.

@vibes1809

8 ай бұрын

I agree! I think Buster made a mistake and his dad is taking the hit - he was going down anyway.

@vibes1809

8 ай бұрын

And its really the only reason Alex did not give up any other person, he was desperate and I think we know, he would have happily thrown someone else under the bus. You would only do that for your son.

Buster is just to comfy sitting there. If they were describing my mom and brothers horrible wounds that killed them i'd be crazy in heart ache crying

@octopods1822

Жыл бұрын

Right? He is very unemotional. It's actually disturbing.

@ingenunis5003

Жыл бұрын

Oh, YES

I think he did it on purpose to try and misled them.

The other shooter is the guy that he paid to kill him

there could be a 10-15 minute time difference between the shooting of Maggie and Paul. That would explain how 2 different weapons were used. Maggie is shot first, then Paul shows up to check on his mom, that's when Alex then has to shoot Paul.

@PresleysMom504

Жыл бұрын

But they were all at the property beforehand, I thought, as shown in the TikTok video. I do believe they may have been in different areas when the first one was shot.

@ASHES234

Жыл бұрын

Paul is shot first Maggie is running away when she is shot and I’d be running too if I hear gun shots then see my son with his brain at his feet Paul is young in good physical shape and if Maggie was shot first Paul might have gotten away It makes more sense Alec got rid of the strongest first

I'M A 77 YEARS OLD GRANDMA, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A FAMILY SO DISCANECTED AND LIVING A RICH LIFE, AND BEING SO UNDERMINED AND CONTROLLED BY YOUR MAN ALEX,AND HIS CRYING IS FOR HIMSELF,LIKE OH ME, WHAT AM I GONNA DO,AND THE HORROR OF THIS IS OVER KILL.

@sandraleigh4023

Жыл бұрын

I'm right behind you! I have watched a few trials like OJ, Jodi Arias, front to back, but I swear I've never seen such a messed up family, so much betrayal and so many crimes! You can't make this stuff up!!

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

@@sandraleigh4023 I don’t think I could ever look at my family and say we have some dysfunction because we are saints compared to these horrific people.

@sandraleigh4023

Жыл бұрын

@@subobing3551 Yeah. My family was no picnic but they look like the Osmonds next to these psychos.

@gerryjordan2791

Жыл бұрын

As another 77 year old grandma I totally agree with you.

@janetkeene772

Жыл бұрын

yes, the crying is for himself - well said.

It’s not like he’s legally blind, he completely understands how to throw off a scent. Makes perfect sense he’d use two weapons.

@sjordan7085

Жыл бұрын

And, when the Law Firm's Accountant has proof that he was less than honest in his business dealings, I fine myself less inclined to believe anything else he says. He does not strike me as an honest or trustworthy person.

Excellent reporting

Buster had an Alibi that police checked out. He was away at college at the time. 🙄

@BasicLeigh

Жыл бұрын

they need to look closer into that one

@VDR928

Жыл бұрын

@@BasicLeigh They did. In Rick Hill, NC.

Hide both loaded guns near each other in the shed. Would be easy to use two guns

It could be possible that the 1st victim was shot by , Alex , then he alerted the second victim to come up, and then he shot the second victim....It was all preplanned. Having footage of himself and his son earlier on...They eating together. The digested food, should give a time frame. Don't believe he fell asleep after dinner. They were probably murdered a lot earlier so Alex had time to dispose of the guns, clean up etc...Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪

@ChuaOiConDay

Жыл бұрын

I saw on KZread they said Paul had dinner with his uncle that night ... And he might show up unexpectedly to his dad farm to check on the dog.. maybe they had snap chat earlier and see the dog not well and maybe Paul decided to come down unexpectedly... I read a comment somewhere that said Alex called the police and in the recording he said " Paul you shouldn't be here"... And also investigator were testify to the court that Alex eyes were more fixated on Paul body .. his wife didn't have a good feeling when Alex wanted her to come down there that night.. she had to confirm to three friends about it .. if that shed some light

@eleanorryan2750

Жыл бұрын

@CHÚA ƠI, SAO CON KHỔ QUÁ Interesting, thankyou so much... What an ending. Money and greed played a part, I'm sure. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪

@eagles512

Жыл бұрын

I think the time of killings are incorrect too. He definitely did it

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

He said they ate dinner but the maid said no dishes from the night before and food she made was in the fridge still in the pot

@eleanorryan2750

Жыл бұрын

@Su Bo Bing Yes, Somebody said both Maggie and Paul had eaten some dinner..All this will be revealed as the Trial goes on. Hopefully they will have enough to convict him. From what we are learning Alex is a chameleon, he lied, stole was practically living a double life. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪

Headlines like this speculating that an innocent person might be a murderer is really not a good look.

I have a question? Its been reported that Buster was out of time at time of murders, yet in the trial today Shelley, Alex mother care taker said that Alex brother called her, told her about the murders, and then was told who would be sleeping there that night including BUSTER and his girlfriend ??? Did he come back late that night, or was that a slip?

Also, it would be interesting to know where the bodies were found. Next to each other or did one try to run? If one tried to run that could explain the two weapons.

@BarbaraEMarshallCampbell

Жыл бұрын

They prosecutor painted Maggie as running towards her son not away from him.

2 guns does not cause any reasonable doubt for me at all. Alex is devious.

Alex has been shooting those weapons since he was a child It would be second nature to him to handle both guns

Buster was out of town at the time he had to drive home after hearing the news

@BasicLeigh

Жыл бұрын

nah

@islanderbyrd1881

Жыл бұрын

his phone was

There is no second shooter... Alex admitted that he "did them so bad"

@ChuaOiConDay

Жыл бұрын

@@MacEnstein didn't the lawyer and investigator confirm that at the court today ? I'm sure they replay the interview many times before bring it to court .. it's a Freudian slip I think

@christopherleeu1038

Жыл бұрын

I heard they did them so bad. And if Sled thought they had a Confession why wait a year to arrest him

@ChuaOiConDay

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherleeu1038 it's Freudian slip

It’s entirely possible that he could have had the guns loaded, ready & stashed if he had planned the assault. I want to know where the clothes he wore in the early video were. Were they recovered and tested?

Buster sure seems to hold his composure very well (a little too well), even when the court repeatedly shows pics of his brother & mother lying in pools of blood with their brains blown out ! The dude almost has this demeanor like "this is boring , it's over man, can we just go now* .

@janetkeene772

Жыл бұрын

Or almost like he's enjoying the proceedings and getting satisfaction from them. If you look at pictures Buster seems to have the persona and posture of Alex (fake and "what's in it for me?"), whereas Paul has the true and genuine personality of Maggie (real, cares about and loves life). I think Buster has total potential to be manipulative and dangerous.

@kellypotter1555

Жыл бұрын

Leave him alone, he has lost his entire immediate family in a very short period.

@janedoe5180

Жыл бұрын

@@janetkeene772 yes! Thank you. I think buster is guilty as well. Him and his father had some type of agreement.

@deliamcmahon7353

Жыл бұрын

he was kicked out of college for Plagerism, and they paid to put him back

@BarbaraEMarshallCampbell

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you I watched him closely throughout the trial : His expressions and body language were a little too care free, self entitled, even smug and arrogant. If not involved up to his eyeballs he certainly had little to no real love and affection for his family. Very superficial if you ask me.

I was surprised to hear the feedback from the former CIA/FBI agent. She said the shooter would have to "pick up one gun, use it, put it down, go get the other gun...". Considering it was a planned murder, no doubt the shooter would likely have both guns at the ready, so there would be no having to "go get the other gun". One could be slung on his back to be used first or second, either way. Am I wrong? I mean, he was an avid shooter, so this would be a piece of cake for him.

@VioletJoy

Жыл бұрын

@John That's what I was thinking! She definitely doesn't come across as an expert. I'm only 5'3", but have enough experience to know it can be done. At the very least, there would be no need to "go get the other gun". What a ridiculous statement.

@rld1278

Жыл бұрын

I'd never trust what CIA/FBI says. Sheesh. She was basically working for the defense!

I also noticed when he was riding around in the video looking at trees with PM, he had on different clothes than when he was in the police car crying and talking with police. Have they found those clothes?

Nobody thinks its suspicious that a 300 Blackout "IS MISSING" but never "REPORTED"

Mass shooters go into a situation with their plan already armed with MULTIPLE weapons. They use them in quick succession to attack their targets and take them out. It sadly happens all the time. Alex is a very smart attorney and knows exactly how to throw off a jury. He’s a master manipulator! I believe he acted alone in the murders of Maggie of Paul.

Hoping we find out soon if the markings on the casing's phone at the shooting range on the property match the case scenes found at the crime scene ballistically speaking.

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

They matched casings found in other parts of the property - the range, outside the door…

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that Paul was shot twice with a shotgun and during that time, Maggie simply just stayed in close enough proximity to the kennels that she was shot in the spot they say she was. I suppose that with the intent to kill, it wouldn’t have taken a perpetrator much time to put down the shot gun and pick up the blackout rifle. Just seems she could have gotten further away if Paul was being murdered before her and with a different gun

@rebeccalitchfield6698

Жыл бұрын

Would you leave your child?. I wouldn't

@anjanean

Жыл бұрын

She was trying to run away and fell on her knees

@subobing3551

Жыл бұрын

I think he hid the guns in the feed room and went into there and told Paul to come help him and shot him the doorway and it was quick … Maggie is close by and in Complete shock not knowing if it’s real or an accident or what…. Then he takes the other gun and she is trying to get away when he shoots her in the leg and chest then come up on her and shoots her up close. I think he may have washed up out there at the kennel and then took Maggie’s phone and looked at Paul’s but couldn’t open it so put it back on his back … etc etc

@hedykarim3614

Жыл бұрын

From Maggie’s wounds it looks like she was running then fell , wrist shot blocking her head and the last back of her head maybe when she was down . I think the first shot meant to kill Paul but it was a buck shot and didn’t .

@gailbarrett9834

Жыл бұрын

His world is falling. Part he had to do something. (She went to atty in another county for divorce. Fraud/embezzling millions from clients snd his law firm plus boating accident being sued by many! Ppl do strange things when backed in corner. But if found innocent he will still go to prison bc of 99 cases stealing millions. Still has to have that trial. Plus his cousin who shot him they said was fake to throw off cops.

Shotgun killing could have been a statement or to make it more gruesome. Doesn't necessarily mean multiple shooters.

@BrainNomad

Жыл бұрын

Shotgun and violence is more personal. He had so much plant up anger as a kid. They need to address Paul's issues

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

Just seems so far beyond the realm of possibility that a father could kill his son but he was a complete addict and criminal.

@victoriagomez-wright9271

Жыл бұрын

@@theoryofpersonality1420 You don't keep up. AM is an admitted cocaine addict, went to rehab in Florida. Even blamed cocaine on his money fraud schemes.

@clairkeleher5437

Жыл бұрын

He’s an admitted opioid user and went to rehab for that, allegedly. Whether or not he was actually addicted is unknown.

@AubreyFaye

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if he lied about the addiction.

Lol these people have never seen a redneck with a shotgun on a sling on their person and a pistol on their side. You don’t have to “go get a shotgun” when you’re wearing it. You don’t have to put it down when you’re done shooting it. Etc. 🙄

The younger son killed a girl in a drunk boating accident. Her boyfriend was one of his best friends at the time. Has he been looked at or the girls father?

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

The father killed his wife and son. Why overturn rocks that dont need to be. They got the right guy.

@KayInMaine

Жыл бұрын

Alex blamed that family for the murder of his wife and son, so I'm sure the police have talked with that family. This is why Alex pretended like he didn't know their names. He's such a liar.

Interesting that one of the “lost/stolen ” guns was a 300 blk out ! We’re there any other guns previously reported lost/stolen? Was the blk out actually reported as missing to authorities previously. Was it ever really lost?

@KayInMaine

Жыл бұрын

Right!

@no-sway3709

Жыл бұрын

Especially if it had a silencer since that's an NFA item and I believe there's a duty to report it missing/stolen. A single picture could destroy that lie, so that's a ballsy move.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the missing gun was really not missing at all and is actually the murder weapon.

He placed the guns in the kennels ahead of time, knowing that he needed to make a confusing crime scene, took out Maggie first, grabbed the other gun as Paul was coming toward the sound, and took him out, too.

Nonsense. Paul was shot twice from the doorway. Alex could have had two rifles leaning against the wall next to the door. He used one on Paul to shoot him twice. Meanwhile his mom comes running out from the feed shed, Alex picks up the 2nd gun right next to him and shoots Maggie after running up to her. How hard is that?

Putting the blame on the other son is what’s gonna cause Alec to confess… He doesn’t want this to fall back on him.

@hyun6587

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, he did (allegedly) murder his own wife and younger son, so not sure he wouldn't be willing to throw Buster under the bus as well.

@4H2O4EVER

Жыл бұрын

I'd arrest Buster if they there are two shooters. Someone will cave.

2 guns is easy for big men, Alex is highly experienced with shotguns & AR's. He is also an expert lawyer in prosecution & defense, so he knew that using 2 guns would help him throw off the case. The family was shot at close range, no defense marks, showing they knew the shooter. This is a local case for me & I was an investigator in Walterboro back in 2001/2002. The sheriffs there are amateurs with this stuff since they mostly deal with drugs & gangs moving drugs on I-95. I pray that he is convicted and the millions are found and turned over to his many victims.

@dukecity7688

Жыл бұрын

thanks mister. My mother and grandmother cleaned houses and cooked. When i heard how he done his loyal cleaning lady - it was hard for me to stay objective. I hope no one on that jury has a agenda.

@brerrabbit9668

Жыл бұрын

There's only two victims of his financial misdeeds. The law firm and his friend. All the clients were made whooe by the lawfirm. How much did Alec average on the yearly bonuses he was paid? How much did his entire debt amount to? He could have everything paid back in one bonus check including the bank. He averaged $10mil per bonus and only owes 8

@margricks

Жыл бұрын

I believe he also murdered the housekeeper to make it look like an accident.

@JAJJABLOG

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. Blue!!!!

@karenm7589

Жыл бұрын

@@vatrweaver5169 Who is going to pay Alex's lawyers for this trial? Win or lose; they will want to be paid.

Who comes onto a property without a weapon, hoping there’s one nearby to shoot people?!

He used 2 guns on purpose as a throw off he’s not the first person to do that Also the heinous nature of the murders If Alec did it I would have expected he shoot them in the back of the head from behind at a distance making their killings as humane as possible but according to the defence opening Paul was shot in the shoulder then the second was from under his chin causing his brain to hit the roof and land at his feet Then Maggie I believe probably first heard the shots possibly even saw blood maybe saw Paul’s brain on the ground next to his body regardless of how she was alerted she knew there was imminent danger and was shot as she was running away And It makes sense to kill Paul first as I’m sure Maggie wasn’t in the best shape to be running for her life so the biggest threat ie; Paul was killed first then Maggie second I have a theory why Alec did the killings this way I believe the reason he didn’t do it from a distance in the back of the head to make their deaths as humane as possible is simply because he had to make it look like a random stranger with no emotional attachments to the victims committed this crime Also making it very hard for anyone to believe a father and husband could do something so abhorrent to his life partner mother of his children and then of course to his own son I can say it has crossed my mind that no he couldn’t have done it I can’t see him doing that Also in the initial 911 call he mentioned that he spent a good 2 hours that day with Paul and there is a snap chat video of them laughing and having fun But why make such random unsolicited statements? The only reason I can think of would be to distance himself from the murders Also didn’t Maggie sms a friend that night just prior to going out to the kennels that night saying something to the effect of “He’s up to something” And I wonder if the recipient of that sms will testify about it and about what really went on behind closed doors in the Murdaugh marriage Defence during opening said their marriage was great neither of them had affairs no history of domestic violence no evidence of seeking divorce attorneys ect But that sms “He’s up to something” means to me Maggie was suspicious of Alec about something I really hope something comes of that

@marthienel2190

Жыл бұрын

Very good analysis. Marriage was in poor shape. Maggie had been living in their holiday home (?) some two hours away for some time and had been REFUSING to sign papers to sell it (so that A could pay his de t). That had become crucial that tragic day as his partners had confronted him abt his financial shenanigans. Playing on her love for his sick father, Maggie insisted that no, she would not be going to the house she would meet him at the hospital where his sick father was - but A insisted, so she told/texted a friend that something was afoot and that A was acting "fishy". Still she went to the house. She should have trusted her instincts.

@patriciashelton6644

Жыл бұрын

Maggie text her house keeper. They were close friends as well.

If I was the killer and it was premeditated I would have already placed 2 weapons at the kennels ahead of time. I would have asked Maggie to retrieve something from my vehicle parked outside and when she got to the vehicle I would kill Paul first. I wouldn't have time to reload and I would assume that my adrenaline would be pumping and I would be shaking because at this point I have never killed a person before so I would imagine it to be intense emotionally. I would then grab second gun to kill Maggie as she reentered the kennels. It would save time and I would have less to think about with a second gun.. If there was a second killer it would most likely be the cousin or someone within his drug world that he would have to pay but the way all his financial records for years back are being scrutinized I think that he would have left a money trail. So unless it's the cousin he did it alone. He did a lot of dirty dealings with many people but I don't think any one person knew the full extent of what was happening in his life. I believe he carried his self imposed burdens alone. They were murdered the day before he had to turn over his financial records and he needed Maggie to sign over her property. Which she wasn't going to do. Paul was clearly guilty of the death of Mallory so that trial and the settlements would have probably cost Alex millions that he didn't have. His financial mayhem would have come to light. I'm sure he was terrified and scared of the choice that he made to kill them and I believe that's why he put it off til the very last moment. It doesn't take a judge or jury to see what happened here. It couldn't be more obvious and we still haven't heard everything yet. I think that there is far more about this monster that outside of his circle of evil nobody will ever know. Or depending on how high up the evil exists we may never be told. I don't believe for one second that he squandered millions and millions of dollars on a drug habit. That's ludicrous. I hope that higher authorities outside of his state continue to follow the money. Aside from the millions that he stole he already had millions and was an active attorney making money. When did the money start to disappear?What was going on in his life at the time? Who was he spending his time with and doing regular business with? I wanna know. I think that he is involved in something else. I know that I went on forever here but this guy sparks many questions unlike others. This case bothers me..To many prominent people criminally involved.. Blessings light and love to all 🤍🤍🤍

@enchanted376

Жыл бұрын

Your explanation and theory are the best so far. I agree with everything you said. 👍

@Graham1046

Жыл бұрын

Very good! I totally agree with you. Two sons in college ain't cheap plus Maggie was probably not gonna sell. Not to mention the all the suits that would be coming.

This family where hunters, they know how to use guns, and he's a lawyer, that something he could planto do to confuse investigators.

I wonder if anyone’s ever considered if the oldest son was involved as well?

Wasn't Buster also implicated by others in the death of Stephen Smith?

@carolynscruggs2516

Жыл бұрын

Not as a murderer.

@steelmagnolias2.0

Жыл бұрын

No. There’s no evidence to tie him to that..just a lot of rumors. He was also in Rock Hill SC which is three hours away when his mom and brother were killed.

@zebeart8808

Жыл бұрын

@@steelmagnolias2.0 The Murdaugh's were very good at intimidating others and covering up problems. Buster seems so slimy and entitled giving obscene gestures in court. Such entitled people feel they can do anything and get away with it. Someone killed Stephen Smith, and Buster's name kept coming up over and over, but the investigation was shut down. Karma eventually catches up.

@steelmagnolias2.0

Жыл бұрын

@@zebeart8808 well, I’m a big proponent of justice, when it’s backed up by evidence. I suspect Buster gave Mark the finger because he felt betrayed by him. It was definitely immature, but I’m still cutting him some slack given all he’s been through. That’s what I do, I give people the benefit of the doubt until I have a legitimate reason to change my mind. Don’t misunderstand me, I think Alex is a menace and a terrible person. I’m just not willing to paint his family with that same brush at the moment. If substantial evidence comes out, linking Buster to a crime, I’ll be the first to speak out against him. I do wonder why no one ever considers the fact that the prominent guy Stephen may have been meeting with could’ve been Alex. I wonder if he had a secret lifestyle that no one knew about.

@zebeart8808

Жыл бұрын

@@steelmagnolias2.0 You are probably right. I think they did reopen Stephen's case recently. I've watched some specials about it. Hopefully, the Murdaugh's are so occupied, they won't interfere again. I feel sorry for Stephen's mom, losing her son, and not seeing justice done.

He was capable of staging his own alleged “murder” by a client whos a convicted criminal so Buster can claim his life insurance… it is very possible he had plan this as well… lets just see if these circumstantial evidences would be enough to convict him. Coz Alex’s instructing his mother’s carer to take note that he had stayed 30-40min in her mother’s house instead of 15-20min only & their cleaner, to remember that hes wearing something else instead of what she had seen him wearing, were both telling that he wanted them to support his allibi.

@BarbaraEMarshallCampbell

Жыл бұрын

Maggie was the sole beneficiary on the life insurance and sole owner of the hunting lodge and half owner of the beach property so the only way Buster is receiving anything is for Maggie and Paul to be dead and a father willing to do life in prison then he gets it all once Alex dies.

That’s just BS to try to throw Buster under the bus

I find it baffling that an FBI agent just cannot understand that one person can use two guns in a crime or double murder..🤦‍♀️especially someone so familiar with the law and crime.

They need to interview Alex brother also

He is just as evil as dad!

I was thinking that this morning. I just got that vibe

Waiting for all court proceedings to conclude before speculating

Murdaugh said he went to the house to get a gun after finding his son and wife (likely before). He could have also had one gun stowed at the kennel or in his truck. It's not implausible. Murdaugh is experienced gunman so I have no clue what Walder is talking about.

@maryj2671

Жыл бұрын

guns everywhere. Those two wouldn't of thought a thing of Alec carrying a gun around or two for that fact

Look for the weapons in the wells and septic tanks. And what about the private investigator that was filming for the boat crash claim? They said that there was game cameras on that property.

That’s ridiculous ….

My god, no. People are pushing too far.

Has a former CIA/FBI agent not heard of rifle slings......? also could the assault rifle have had a silencer on it, taking out 1 target (the mother) with the other target (youngest son) unaware somethings going on until it's too late?

@TeeTV22

Жыл бұрын

These women are idiots. That’s why they should be working somewhere in the law & crime cafeteria instead of on air saying absolutely the dumbest things one can think of….

@rickdrescher9690

Жыл бұрын

May not have needed one. You can purchase subsonic factory rounds off the shelf for a .300 BO.

@maryj2671

Жыл бұрын

Alec standing there holding a gun would be natural for Paul or Maggie to see.

He had been basically emasculated this day. I can easily see how this came about, and I hope that he is finally convicted. Ev

Remember, Alex had drugs running through his veins!

Nobody ( Alex / Buster ) looks distressed, nobody looks sad, nobody looks worried? They both feel very cold and business like to me.

Buster really needs to THANK GOD that he wasn't there or he would have been murdered also! Alex was ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR HIMSELF AND HE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T CARE WHO WENT DOWN THAT NIGHT!!

I thought he used the shotgun first in the shed and then allegedly picked up the other gun and emerged from the shed. He could have easily gunned his wife down then.

@KayInMaine

Жыл бұрын

That's how I envision it going down.

@mariaelenaarata303

Жыл бұрын

Yes

The way the defense was pounding in the second shooter, is like they know someone else was there.

My goodness, Buster wasn't even there.

The discrepancy between the number in the Agent’s notes and official report was crucial. It speaks to something larger

@totesmcgotes1528

Жыл бұрын

Pls explain more

@caroltaylor9499

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t understand that x

@cellanddanielle

Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@rochelle2269

Жыл бұрын

Explain, please.

@christopherleeu1038

Жыл бұрын

Ohh the fact that she tastified that the shots where at 84° angle and in her notes she wrote 84° but in her typed report for court she wrote 96° I caught that

The dropping of one and picking up another isn’t practical. What I would look at is if the utilization of a sling for one and holding the other.. I haven’t gone back to the body cam of the guns in the home but if the sling is being utilized on other weapons it’s definitely possible to use two guns and be only one shooter.

Have they addressed Maggie’s ring being under her car seat that the housekeeper found.

I can see a person carry a long gun on a strap over their shoulder and shoot with one drop it and then fire the shouldered weapon. That could be done in seconds. Putting them all at the kennel at the time of the murders (Snapchat video) and then Alex bullying his moms caregiver into telling her how long he was visiting his mom (30-40 min)…. Then the blue rain jacket….. it sealed the case in my mind.

@brerrabbit9668

Жыл бұрын

The blue rain jacket that his mom's caretaker swear Alex wasn't holding. The blue rain jacket that has no evidence of blood on it whatsoever and has no ties to Alex to begin with. That blue rain jacket made you feel 100% certain he committed the murders? Hope you never get seated on a jury

@SH-sg8or

Жыл бұрын

@@brerrabbit9668 the jacket was used to wrap the guns up as evidenced by the leg gun shot residue. You not being able to see how much of a nightmare this man is makes me hope you never end up on a jury too

My personal thought. Guns are now 6ft under with his father??

@MRPOOKIESGRAMMY

Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯

@victoriagomez-wright9271

Жыл бұрын

I thought I read AM owned a funeral home and had the bodies of his parents cremated.

An officer testified and the camera briefly showed Buster. He seemed to be smirking. I told my husband that it seemed eery that he would smirk while bodycam footage of his mom and brother's bodies are on display. I thought maybe he was involved or that his dad took the fall for him. But I guess not 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

@patriciamitchell9365

Жыл бұрын

That was not a "smirk", he was trying to keep from crying in public.

@islanderbyrd1881

Жыл бұрын

I saw that smirk too.

@vibes1809

8 ай бұрын

I think the dad took the fall too. A sibling killing a sibling is far more convincing than a father killing his own son. I don’t think Alex killed them - the only reason someone would take the hit is to protect their child.

I was trying to follow the defense questions and state-witness answers about the distance between from where Paul was shot and where the wife was shot--and apparently the shots at the wife came from higher ground. Has anyone got a handle on all that? That whole bit was so convoluted and stop-and-start with lots of pauses and paper shuffling, less than sharp questions and vague answers about the angle of the shots that hit the wife that it was nearly impossible to follow clearly. A lot of this case is so choppy and slow and dense that I would not want to be on the jury. Clearly all the information about the same types of weapons and ammo as was used in the murders being on the property is relevant--but the defense can and will counter that they are common weapons and the prosecution does not have the actual murder weapons.

@sandraleigh4023

Жыл бұрын

Don't quote me, but I think I saw somewhere that Maggie's body was 30 yards away from Paul's. The way she was placed, indicated she was running away. And I assume you're referring to the defense atty's? I'm not impressed so far.....

@tracihann

7 ай бұрын

I read somewhere that Mags had dna under her fingernails that didn’t belong to Alec or Paul. Trying to watch all the court related videos to see if that was true.

Buster wasn't even in town that weekend.

did a fmr FBI agent really state she doesn't know how a person can have 2 long guns at one time, youd have to put one down in order to pick up the other??? Its called slings sweetie. Glad I could help with this clarification!!