You can see it in this interview - people who advocated a lockdown are terrified that Sweden is right on this. They are scared that time will show Sweden looked at the data and made a calculated decision whilst the vast majority of the world made rash panicked decisions wrecking both the fuctioning of their societies and their economic well-being. Everything I've read and heard suggests that Sweden is correct and made the best bet. Even if they end up being wrong, they still made the most rational bet given the knowledge we had at the outset. We had knowledge of previously known coronaviruses, we could make educated guesses at the likely mortality rate, and crucially we could well estimate the devastating toll a lockdown would have on the economy and future healthcare.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

nah the proof is in. The death toll is huge in Sweden. We know they aren't right. So no fear here.

@danielnykvist3221

4 жыл бұрын

@@lulunz6809 We? You mean that you think they are not right

@oakstrong1

4 жыл бұрын

Sweden's economy is down as much as it is in the UK, so the policy didn't save that one either.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielnykvist3221 yes. I am not the only one either. I don't see why people don't understand that the reason he is being challenged is because that is the purpose of the interview. To challenge the argument that what Sweden has done is put profit over people. Its inhumane.

@sambaprojectllc

4 жыл бұрын

Louise Windleborn Well said. As a Swede, I find this Swedish strategy to be misguided, at best - and recklessly inhumane at worst. Yes, it was the politicians that made the decisions, and they wanted to keep Stockholm’s yuppies happy by allowing them to freely socialize in the bars of Vasastan and Ostermalm - and they have saved the Swedish economy millions of kronor by culling thousands of economically unproductive pensioners. Am glad Steven Sackur is pressing the issue of herd immunity - which is a mythological concept at present. Sweden should be learning from those with medical experience - namely, fhe Asians.

Why does the interviewer always try to be a jerk, instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion about incredibly difficult and complicated issues. This is a long term process not a day to day situation.

@omg_wtf

4 жыл бұрын

You should check out the channel Unherd, which has great interviews of the kind you talk about. Freddie who is the host, is a really good interviewer. Well worth a look!

@StartsWithMeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Meh hey thanks for the suggestion! I’ve seen a few of them so far and I agree they’re well done

@IndustryArmyMarketin

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why the show is hard talk.... Ive been watching him for years. I do like his journalistic approach(most of the time).

@benjimenlockwood

4 жыл бұрын

BBC propaganda, they are pushing and try to show that the shitshow in the UK was just. Take a look at the 6 billionaires who own our media and you will get a better understanding.

@ibfreely8952

4 жыл бұрын

It's sad that people don't understand that the journalist's job is to ask the difficult questions. This includes challenging the interviewee and letting him put forward his own arguments. This interview was perfectly fine.

Anders Tegnell is a Hero - the interviewer doesn't consider people losing their business.. The suicides and substance abuse deaths because of the lock downs.

@jonasedholm331

4 жыл бұрын

Tegnell shows signs of Aspberger diagnosis and medical narcissism according to my personal opinion.

The Pompous narrator keeps trying to bend the argument to the gratuitous assertion that the Insane Total Lock down in GB was somehow superior?!

@JohnDoeJL

4 жыл бұрын

UK had an incompetent lock down, not total. You've had international flights coming from hot spots without quarantine or checks, basically you had herd immunity approach until it was too late, and then a lockdown to stop the fire while you could've avoided the fire and then reopen the economy. In Sweden no lockdown works more or less only because of highly socially responsible people, it wouldn't work anywhere near as effectively in the UK.

@princeofserendip2572

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoeJL Especially irresponsible leadership. UK leaders are used to not being held to account.

@DouglasGross6022

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoeJL Certainly culture can be an important factor when comparing countries, but it's still too early to determine whether it has been relevant re UK vs. Sweden. Tegnell tried (in vein) to express that it is still too early to draw conclusions, but Sackur just browbeat him.

@DouglasGross6022

4 жыл бұрын

@@princeofserendip2572 You do have that Question Time thing - that appears to be beneficial. I'm curious - the US Supreme Court does not allow cameras (still or video) - does the top UK court allow cameras?

@imRehnzy

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoeJL Lockdown is way crazier. Imagine letting out 80 million people who have not been exposed to other peoples bacteria for months, with a immune system thats pretty much gone for a nap. This was such a biased interview, and he refuses to see the positives of our approach. We don't have anything left to worry about now, while the whole world is still experimenting how to not have to start from 0 again.

Absolutely shocking interviewer. So biased and negative, trying to push an agenda instead of just asking questions.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

I think he is doing that because there seems to be a denial of the importance of so many deaths in Sweden. Its not normal to be celebrating when there has been so many deaths.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

Look at the title of the programme. Its meant to be a challenging interview and not a lovely chat about how wonderful everything is there.

@muggy._.7021

4 жыл бұрын

Im from sweden and he should not be given a change to speak, killers should be locked up!

@0men916

4 жыл бұрын

@@muggy._.7021 im also from sweden so I know you its your own political agenda who is talking

@jannickackermans2449

4 жыл бұрын

@@lulunz6809 just keep ignoring that the quality lifeyears lost because of the economic devastation will be much higher in other countries but Sweden .We are giving away too much , a lot of doctors are also saying deaths are overcounted because when they clearly die of things like heart and vascular disease or they had a few weeks to live but they had a trace of corona they still have to write corona as cause of death as also published and confirmed by artze fur aufklarung and vittoria sgabri and the higher instute for health who say that 96.3 percent of counted corona deaths have a different normal cause of death clear evidence that the state via media like this is pursuing an agenda to attack our way of life.

The interviewer was out of touch about reinfection, the South Koreans already debunked that as faulty testing. Good to hear Tegnall's answers to the hard questions, he's an honest scientist and it's good to know the majority of Sweden's 40000 scientists support him.

@gramirez72

4 жыл бұрын

That's right. The Koreans later determined that it was dead virus material.

@ub2bn

4 жыл бұрын

@@gramirez72 yes, and the people being allegedly re-infected, went from quarantine into self isolation, during which time they were tested and re-tested... which raised the question, how could they get reinfected while in isolation?

@gramirez72

4 жыл бұрын

@ ub2bn - Yeah, it’s astounding isn’t it! Actually, what’s interesting is Gov Cuomo said over 60% of hospitalizations in NY were people staying at home, in quarantine. They also admitted covid patients into nursing homes, which really drove the fatality rate up. Just... wow...

@lizargall500

4 жыл бұрын

Typical BBC interviewer...he is programmed with an agenda...rude and interrupts all the time

I am Swedish and I believe in Sweden's strategy, We do not have the same strategy as our wonderful neighbors but we want the same thing, get rid of corona! so to Norway, Denmark and Finland keep up the good work!

@strategon28

4 жыл бұрын

I really hope it works for you as our swedish friends. I think it is wrong, but perhaps it will help if a 2nd wave comes (more deaths in 1st wave, less in 2nd wave). Anyway, good health to all of you.

@MrWaxy69

4 жыл бұрын

@@strategon28 God luck to all!

@Mirakajko

4 жыл бұрын

I believe in the Swedish strategy too. I have studied a lot the Spanish flu. If coronavirus will have the second wave, just as the Spanish flu had, then we in Sweden will be better protected than the rest of the world. The problem is that there are too many morrons here in this forum showing disrespect to science and experience.

@Vitobandito434

4 жыл бұрын

I am interested in hearing more from your perspective. Could you elaborate? I personally believe that the better strategy is to take active steps to slow the spread of the disease to give people a chance to avoid contracting it, spreading it to vulnerable populations, and giving science a chance to catch up. I have a problem with the epidemiologist saying that "we don't wear masks, we stay home when we're sick." While I think that it's great that people stay home when they're sick, the problem with this disease is that it's is spread through presymptomatic and asymptomatic carriers. There are countries that have implemented stringent track and trace programs that have identified single individual carriers spreading the disease to over 500 other people in the course of a few days. So saying that you can effectively manage the spread of the disease merely by staying home when you have symptoms seems like magical thinking to me.

@nazmulbhuiyan1982

4 жыл бұрын

@@Vitobandito434 Taiwan had 6 people dying so far and Hong Kong had 4 people dying. They didn't need massive lockdown, all they had were people willing to put on a mask.

Swedish Strategy explained by a Swede: The strategy is based on 2 general assumptions: 1. This infection wont disappear before we get herd immunity or vaccination, and reaching sufficient herd immunity will be quicker. 2. The majority of the population will not become severely ill when they get infected. These assumptions have led to the 3 Main Pillars of the Swedish Strategy: 1. Try to find long-term solutions to this crisis that we can maintain for a long time (assuming that a complete lock-down is not a long-term solution that can be maintained until we get a vaccine in 1-2 years). Thus, schools have remained open, as well as bars and restaurants - albeit with restrictions. 2. Protect the minority of the population that have a high risk of developing severe disease = the risk groups. Thus, everyone above 70 years of age (and other risk groups) are recommended to isolate themselves and visitations at hospitals and care homes are forbidden. 3. Provide recommendations (not regulations) of social distancing and basic hygiene for the rest of the population to SLOW DOWN the spread in order to flatten the curve and not overburden the health care system. Results up until now: 1. We've been able to maintain the measures we've taken without protestations from the public. In fact, figures show that Swedes are very happy with how this crisis has been handled. 2. Unfortunately, we were not successful in stopping the virus from entering our care homes, which explains our relatively high death rates. This is under ongoing investigation and measures are implemented continuously. 3. The hospitals have NOT become overwhelmed by the number of cases. Everyone has gotten the care that they were in need of, both in regards to COVID-19 and other acute illnesses. We seem to have reached a plateau in the number of cases admitted to hospitals and the death rates - and this plateau has been relatively stable for weeks now.

@JasTheKariol

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with your analysis, i live in Sweden and I can confirm that this is the main layout of the strategy. There is a problem though. The care houses you mention had a big problem, yes, but there must be at least another 1000 people who did not die coming from these care homes. And 1000 is a lot of deaths. I personally cannot say what is right or wrong, i have to trust the experts, wait, and make my conclusions after a loooong time. However one thing i know: it's all multi-objective optimization and balancing different factors, until you have thousands of deaths. Then the approach can be questioned for its validity.

@Murphator

4 жыл бұрын

#3 for the win. I super support Sweden's strategy. though due to relative population sizes people are way too fixated on the nominal death rates. I believe death percentage by population should be the metric we go to but death count is great cause it ALWAYS goes up unfortunately.

@pinkyandbrain123

4 жыл бұрын

JasTheKariol a voice of reason. And sanity. Hard to find these days. Greetings an all the best from Switzerland

@Pjoskito

4 жыл бұрын

Why are u spreading lies? Are u really so eager to make Sweden to look good? "3. The hospitals have NOT become overwhelmed by the number of cases. Everyone has gotten the care that they were in need of, both in regards to COVID-19 and other acute illnesses. We seem to have reached a plateau in the number of cases admitted to hospitals and the death rates - and this plateau has been relatively stable for weeks now." 1. Elders have not even been getting oxygene in the care homes even rare that they get nutritions only morfin , 2. Cancer screeenings have been calcelled untill just a few days ago. The Elder homes and Elder helpers is full of people getting paid per hour wich means one single patiant often gets visits from up to 20 different people a week, ontop of that they don't isolate the ones with covid from the rest of them cause it would break some stupid law.. The rest of it one can argue if it's true or not it for sure sugar coathed at the verry least.

@Pjoskito

4 жыл бұрын

80% of the 65+ wont get into any Intensive care, 90% of our elders from elder homes wont even get to visit the hospital.

This journalist did not do its homework. There are countries that have tightly locked down and had issues with the elderly homes too.

@TB1M1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but once locked down the cases in Belgium , France Italy, Austria plummeted

@keithd2284

4 жыл бұрын

@@TB1M1 It's reasonable to assume that would have happened anyway.

@gtaylor178

4 жыл бұрын

Methinks he has an agenda.

First time I've heard anyone discuss the impacts of adults being out of work and children being out of school.

@neatfreak1584

4 жыл бұрын

Contrary to many other so called health experts who only focused on the health aspects and zero care about the economic and social aspects, Dr. Anders approach considered the long term effect of a lock down. No wonder he has the support of the majority of the population.

@hallelujah8141

4 жыл бұрын

He’s got it right. He’s the HEAD EPIDEMIOLOGIST in Sweden, with DECADES of experience. He knows what he’s doing. You have to look at DATA. Sweden’s economy and the wider long-term effects of that mean that Sweden won’t suffer like the rest of the world...

@SomeOnesSon80

4 жыл бұрын

Avatar Blue that's called an "appeal to authority" argument, and put quite bluntly, it's fkn stupid.

@marrocha1

4 жыл бұрын

@@SomeOnesSon80 (Appel to authority) are lockdown's .Sweden is right .vaccine will not work .

@Patrick-ep4sf

4 жыл бұрын

@Mackenzie Then you have only watched mainstream media. This is a much better interview with a Swedish expert without the personal accusations by the interviewer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJqClKyQmcmyc7w.html

A bit of a personal question asking him if he feels a personal responsibility for the death toll. When you lock down the economy suffers, deprivation increases which shortens lives and creates hardship. If you don't lock down a lot of older and vulnerable people die. If you go somewhere in the middle you try and balance both. This is a lose / lose situation. People die either way. Physical and mental health are effected either way.

@yengsabio5315

4 жыл бұрын

Official responsibility vs personal responsibility. Good point!

@xiaoliu311

4 жыл бұрын

Economy suffers either way too, says Sweden's largest economic crisis since WWII.

@joffeloff

4 жыл бұрын

It's a bit like asking the minister of infrastructure if he feels responsible for road deaths. People take calculated risks every single day. Contagious and potentially deadly diseases are and always have been loose in society. The most important takeaway from this entire episode is that somehow, in some fashion, this particular epidemic was enough for governments worldwide to make people accept living in open-air prisons. I'm curious what the ingredient was that was missing when they tried to push for the same shit during the avian flu and swine flu.

@lmln8688

4 жыл бұрын

There are many countries have contained the virus well and they now can open schools, restaurants and get back business as much as possible without sacrificing vulnerable people’s lives. Check Hong Kong, South Korea and New Zealand.I actually think strict lockdown in early phase can save economy in long term. After a quick and high density cure to be implemented, the ‘disease’ recovers faster and better. You can really provide confidence for people to work, to consume and to travel. Keeping long in a risky environment, people will be more hesitating, worried and the economy will suffer more.

@TB1M1

4 жыл бұрын

Not correct. NZ just did lockdown now opened back up. What's going to happen to Sweden when Denmark, Finland, Norway open their bubble but exclude Sweden. Then their economic gains of no lockdown are not there.

It amazes me that so many people can "know" that lockdowns and face masks work. Lot's of respect for this man who is obviously only interested in facts.

it's unfair to compare Sweden with only Norway, Finland and Denmark. Sweden should also be compared to countries which imposed lockdowns like UK, France, Spain, Belgium, Italy etc....

@hellemller8448

4 жыл бұрын

The other Scandinavian countries had lockdowns just in in UK, France ......

@ytringer

4 жыл бұрын

It's not unfair to compare to the neighbor countries. That's the whole point. Too see how different strategies do work. It's not a weird competition where you are trying to "win" or something against countries with similar strategies 😂 Swedes thinks that a lot of things are unfair these days. You also cry when Denmark and Norway don't want to open up their countries for Sweden.

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

The UK, Spain and Italy imposed a lockdown late in the virus spread. France also has been testing relatively few people per capita. This was certainly true of Denmark as well as Sweden in the early stages. Denmark however have ramped up their testing capacity quite remarkably, while Sweden still struggles.

@brandenburg2388

4 жыл бұрын

@@ytringer that's cherry picking the results by using Sweden as the sole representative country that did not opt for an enforced lockdown. Why aren't Taiwan and South Korea included in the same category as Sweden to give a more balanced picture? These results of these two Asian countries show that lockdowns do not necessary guarantee better success against the pandemic.

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandenburg2388 If most of Europe was as well prepared to handle a disease like this as South Korea and Taiwan was, then maybe this would have been a better option.

In 1-2 years we'll probably know who, if anyone, did everything right. One thing I personally believe Sweden did right was allowing young children to go to school/kindergarden. It makes it possible for the parents to go to work or work from home and it keeps the children busy and social and not so worried. This is at least my personal experience. I hope Sweden, and other countries, pull through this mess. My guess is that in a year media all over the world will focus all their attencion on the economic aspects of the pandemic, even though people will still be dying from the virus itself.

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

4 жыл бұрын

Do they have a tube system like London though? That thing's a death-trap.

@JM-rb2or

4 жыл бұрын

@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Yes. I haven't used it since last year though so I don't know how crowded it is.

Just a personal observation- my 21 year old Swedish Volvo is going strong at 180000 miles. They seem to be an eminently sensible people who think things through.

@selini52

4 жыл бұрын

alphonso391 obviously a week later they admit to have failed,what about your car?

@alphonso391

4 жыл бұрын

In the interests of full disclosure the old bus is running rough. I think it’s the plugs. Not aware of Swedish capitulation and implementation of lockdown so maybe you’re ahead of me there. They just seem to have been on the level throughout on issues with their policy eg not protecting care homes just like UK. You will hear no admission that UK policy failed but looks to me like we protected an NHS that was always perfectly able to cope at vast cost. Govt adviser now saying UK peak in Apr was an artificial one only due to lockdown. Meaning it didn’t fix a damn thing.

What an idiotic line of questions. Asking this doctor if he feels personally responsible for people dying from covid. This doctor used a scientific approach when the rest of the world's politicians chose a political PR approach to protect their public image above all. Congratulations Sweden on keeping a cool head.

What a horrible interviewer...I think Sweden have made the right decision...wish the UK had done the same...

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

They did make the same decision initially. That's why there are so many dead. The virus spread out of control before the lockdwon and the borders are still open. The difference is that the people in the UK found the high mortality rate unacceptable. So they changed their strategy. Unlike Sweden.

@micke_mango

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but our Swedish strategy wouldn't have worked in most other countries. Different people - different mindset

@patrik8941

4 жыл бұрын

@@micke_mango nothing is working in sweden, the idiot Tegnell wants to kill elderly people, period stop lying about that, he and your dumb goverment think of the ecpnomi never the people

@expressed3584

4 жыл бұрын

Mimi Sha agreed

@micke_mango

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrik8941 it's actually the opposite. Most things are working as usual. Schools are open (1st and secondary) as well as child care. I think most work places are open, with lots of people working from home, when that is possible. Cinemas, theatres and music venues are closed and streaming services compensate to some extent, when that is feasible (not theatre). And when reevaluating our strategy, we think that maybe it was a mistake to close down the high schools. What DID not work properly was minimizing the risk for the elderly. Local communities (the elderly care system) did not manage to sufficiently obtain and use ppe and the routines failed, because of lots of less educated staff. Locally, they did not do their job.

Sweden you have the best way! Keep up the good Work 👍

@smithjen8603

4 жыл бұрын

@ Detective L- You´re an idiot. Don´t talk about things that you don´t know fool.

@commandersune6536

4 жыл бұрын

@@smithjen8603 please share your knowledge with us instead of calling him an idiot and a fool.

@detectivl5811

4 жыл бұрын

@@smithjen8603 I study math in 5th Semester with the best grade in every module, I think I know what I'm talking about... My friends (who are also great in math) also are my opinion.

We should all be happy someone is taking a different strategy so we can learn and compare. Here in Denmark kids r back in school, no problems thank God😀

@MrVpassenheim

4 жыл бұрын

In the USA kids under 18 have a 7 times greater chance of dying from the flu, and 12 times greater chance of dying from pneumonia than they do of dying from COVID-19 (data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku)

@chaostheory16

4 жыл бұрын

MrVpassenheim very true, but don’t tell cnn that... they’ll just laugh and ignore you. They refuse to let inconvenient facts or legitimate journalism get in the way of trying to take Trump down.

@itsmuna8155

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrVpassenheim Wow the page was removed

@AndersJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrVpassenheim Covid-19 is NOT a flu. Corona virus isn't even a flue virus. Covid-19 is a virus pneumonia. And all statistic shows that kids doesn't get a hard hit by Corona. Yes, some could, if they have some other sicknesses that weaken them. But so do cancer treatments. Nothing new. That is facts. Yes, kids can infect others when they have that.

@AndersJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@itsmuna8155 maybe because it has been updated?You should probably search for it. And yes, it is a bad habit to remove pages.

what a disrespectful interviewer! why that personal question? the sweeden scientist, on the other hand, was a gentleman.

@gomenos54

4 жыл бұрын

The interviewer is so irrelevant. He is not listening to to answers by Dr Tegnell. Its because they've been so unsuccesful in Britain.

Why is the narrator asking questions that seems to lean that the strategy is a failure. Seems he is leading the interview into a negative light.

@fam600

4 жыл бұрын

tough questions give an opportunity for good answers...at least he wasnt interrupting him mid sentence after every question.

@oakstrong1

4 жыл бұрын

Playing a devil's advocate is a way of getting out better answers and highlighting weaknesses. Interviewers should do that more often with politicians in this country (UK) and in the USA.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

Because it is a failure. Look at the death rate. People seem to find the death rate acceptable which is bewildering. It is genuinely bewildering. Even he downplays the and minimises the issue by saying its the elderly dying. Its not only the elderly is it? Even if it is, why that so acceptable in Sweden?

@TB1M1

4 жыл бұрын

He's asking all the right questions. Today 7.3% antibody rate proves that Tegnell and Giesecke claim is wrong. Half of Stockholm people have not been infected.

@justinaskulakauskas2937

4 жыл бұрын

It is the idea of this talk show. Interviewee is being challenged.

Thanks Anders Tegnell för leading us here in Sweden. And hats off to you for keeping your cool answering the questions with education and Swedish cool. You have the patience and poise of a hero dealing with the immaturity and lack of professionalism of certain foreign journalists and politicians.

Very aggressive tone of interview. Why does Sweden have to defend its stance to the world?

@grevberg

4 жыл бұрын

The show is called Hard Talk the clue is in the name. In Sweden who cares if old people in nursing homes dies?

@MaskinJunior

4 жыл бұрын

We defend it because it is different. I am a bit sad Anders refuse to go into details why we got the spread in the elder-care because much of it is corporate greed since part of our health services is privatized, and some of those companies are unfit to run health services. The part of Sweden that still run under socialist ideals works just fine, it is the neo-liberal parts that does not handle the stress very well.

@paulthomasbranda7591

4 жыл бұрын

In hindsight All countries should have not sent covids back to nursing homes. I am a nursing home nurse in Denmark, we learn from our mistakes. Let us not become the judge, jury and executioner of that Swedish Doctor. In a year we Will know what strategy was Best.

@xocoyotl4

4 жыл бұрын

Because media and big tech companies love lockdown

"You would have had many fewer deaths if you'd had a lockdown in place." - Based on what kind of emiprical evidence? The death toll varies a lot even between countries WITH lockdowns in place. You have to reasonably define what success in dealing with the epidemic is supposed to look like before you can even begin to ask such questions.

@larstenfaelt1859

4 жыл бұрын

A very poor interviewer. I know the program is called "hard talk"...but that doesn't mean that you should try to bring someone down. Tegnell did it very well but it would had been a better informative interview if the interviewer had been listening better.

@ghostbeetle2950

4 жыл бұрын

@@larstenfaelt1859 Yeah, there's generally not enough listening going on these days...or ever, I guess? Having said that, I thought the BBC's framing of the interview was already quite a bit more neutral than what the media had been doing in the last few months. The reporter didn't frame the Swedish approach as outrightly negative from the get-go, at least.

@mnmj

4 жыл бұрын

Look on a map and look at the numbers...based on the death rates in the countries neighbouring Sweden - Norway, Denmark and Finland.

@lexlindecis9254

4 жыл бұрын

In sweden the elderly are suffocating because they're being denied going to the hospital, being denied vital oxygen and given opiods instead as a policy. Doctors all over sweden are protesting and risking their future livelyhoods because they're sick of seeing people die in vain. I can tell you because I live here, no one wears a facemask and no one takes responsibility as Anders Tegnell claims. Now tell me, in what fucking world is that a successfull policy?

@merhaba8

4 жыл бұрын

Very hard to dispute the numbers. Sweden has the 8th worst death rate in the world, 6th if you take away San Marino and Andorra, small populations where one death can make a huge difference to the rate. Higher than the US. Also hugely higher than its neighbours who have the same social welfare governments and populations with the same social attitudes.

Sweden is twice as big as the nordic countries. They only have ONE big city then just villigas, rivers and mountain. The south half of Sweden is packed with cities. Comparing is so wrong without facts.

@bjarke8510

4 жыл бұрын

TheWarmcoldsurfer exactly. Norway is so vast there are significant areas where the virus never went, esp in the north.

Thank you Anders Tegnell for your great work here in Sweden.

@jonasedholm331

4 жыл бұрын

Aspberger/autist

@TheTilitus

4 жыл бұрын

@A A You might want to wait til what ever country you come from opens upp again and counts the people that killed themselfs from being depressed in isolation the people that dident get healthcare for preventeval illneses and will die sooner becuse of it. The list is long of the problems and here it will be shorter and in he long run Sweden will have less dead.

Anders Tegnell, a restrained and rational voice of considered reason in a planetary wilderness of ‘Covid-19’ catastrophising

This interviewer is being a duck. Clearly he had an agenda.

@Loomofthefruit-s

4 жыл бұрын

I dont think so. You could still ask the questions. Anders Tegnell seems to be a honest and humble person, he should be pressed on these really important questions so that he could answer them. People need to know this!

@krollpeter

4 жыл бұрын

The current numbers tell a lot about the quality of a government. The countries that have failed with the crisis management: US, Brazil, Russia, UK. Is there any more to say?

Maybe consider the social, economical and long term human cost of the total lockdown. I find it interesting that no one in the media talks about the total cost instead of just direct covid cost

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

There has been an extreme view about what would happen in lock downs, heavily promoted in Sweden which simply aren't true. There was no basis or evidence that they would happen e.g starvation, suicides, homelessness etc. Our suicide rate went down during lock down. Of course with all of those issues, there are many reasons why the happen usually. So I don't know why people would think that a lockdown would create those situations alone. The only reason it would happen would be because people have told people that if there was a lockdown then it would happen. We know with suicide, that type of promotion is known as a cause rather than the lockdown itself.

@louderthangod

4 жыл бұрын

Reza Behnood Sick and dead people don’t make for good workers or for good consumers or investors. The economic issues would still be significant. We’re just now learning that those that survive are coming out with long-term damage to heart muscle, liver and lung damage and other inflammation related conditions and not just for the elderly but even for young children.

@billakis2000

4 жыл бұрын

No one does a total lockdown for a long period, it supposed to be an effective temporary solution at the start of an outbreak... The countries that did it early on they have already opened up to the same level of Sweden...but with alot less deaths. Sweden has totally fucked up...also its economic outcome is possibly worst in comparison to other countries that did a lockdown...

@rezzob

4 жыл бұрын

Louise Windleborn because media doesn’t talk about them, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. If you want to see the extremes of it, look at poor countries who gone this way. Also there are those impacts that will take years to be realized but we know they will. A child missing a year on pre-school will be disadvantaged for rest of his/her life

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

@Kat B What makes you think that other countries haven't looked at this in a wholesome manner? Most countries have been well aware of the economic impact which is why they have accessed emergency economic recovery packages for occasions just like this. Natural disasters and pandemic's are usually something planned for so there is support in the event something like this happens. Also who is being treated like infants? People always have a choice on whether to obey the law or not. Unfortunately for the Swedes, they have followed people in positions of power blindly and with too much trust. They don't appear to have thought for themselves and taken the risk seriously and now that has cost lives and the respect of other countries people.

I'm in the UK and have had a Swedish flag flying for 7 weeks now. We live in a technological world where everyone believes in a technological answer. Could it be that good old common sense , cleanliness and a good diet to support your immune system is the answer ?

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

There is not a big difference btw the two. In UK the strategy changed after BoJo got sick but it was too late. Anyway Sweden has 380 deaths per million people, the 5th worst in the world, UK has 521 3rd worst.

@andym9571

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun but that is the whole point...its not over yet. You cant have a league table. I've travelled the world and I can safely say we wont be anywhere near the top in the end. As far as I know , no one has died here because they couldn't get a place in hospital. That wasnt the case in Italy and certainly wont be the case in most countries outside of Europe

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

@@andym9571 On the contrary, we can have a league table and at the top you have all the countries that were hesitant, to say the least, to introduce the lockdown. Apart from Italy that was the first big hit and taken by surprise, Spain, UK, USA, Brasil and Russia did not implement any lock-down or serious testing until it was too late. *"no one has died here because they couldn't get a place in hospital" Are you serious? It's all over the news that UK deaths are more than double the official figure and why? Because they didn't die in hospital, and why? Because you don't have enough beds for all the people who need them.*

@andym9571

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun because people are dying of other things because of the lockdown! This virus will take certain people no matter what, eventually unfortunately . We have had a couple of years of mild flu and it is taking those that would have died of that. No one is dying of the virus in corridors like they did in Italy. Of course...it depends on the media that YOU watch....

@andym9571

4 жыл бұрын

This virus is here to stay and the worlds population will gradually get some immunity to it the same as other coronavirus 's one of which is the common cold .

The interviewer is appalling.

As far as i am concerned the bbc is over. First chance i get to stop paying for this jibber jabber i will jump at it.

Is this guy interviewing the doctor, or lecturing him. He makes a claim, and then tells the doctor to prove he's wrong.

@Whynot-ww3ir

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly . This what i felt too . In sweden they used to Listen and listen then listen then answer but the interviewer does not want to listen while the audience want.

@whowhy9108

4 жыл бұрын

This brit presenter should be grilling neil fergusson.

@tonyshen7478

4 жыл бұрын

This is the best part of HARDTALK, bullying the interviewees in the meanest way. If you are determined enough to your position and get through this, you will make your voice heard by the world loudly and clearly, otherwise you are done.

here in Denmark we did not have a lock-down like other European countries! really quite mild, in comparison! quarantine healthy people is against all scientific and medical evidence and research! now after a month of re-open, here in Denmark, we have begun to debate and discuss how we handled the crisis, every year there is a influenza season that lasts 4 months , and many more deaths happen! and we didn't close down the country! we ignored all procedures and criteria laid down in the such a pandemic!

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

Thank God you did!!! Sweden has 380 deaths per million people, the 5th worst in the world. Denmark has 95 and Finland 54.

@Asa...S

4 жыл бұрын

You didn´t have a lockdown? I read about some Danish woman who was at an empty playground, sitting alone with her own children on a bench, who got a fine of 2500 Danish crowns (cirka 335 Euro) because that was against the curfew... That you´re not allowed to sit down.

@hristostefanov2019

4 жыл бұрын

Pete, Denmark is on lockdown since 13th of March and will be until as early of 1st June (it is not sure but may be 15th if June) Pete, lockdown means borders are closed as Denmark closed all borders with Germany and Sweden .. my bank in Copenhagen Nordea where I am customer will open 25th of May so what the fuck are you writhing about??? Are you really in Denmark? Or you are blame?

@petegascoigne8965

4 жыл бұрын

we locked down on the 15th of March, and we re-opened on the 15th April, our boarders have been closed since the immergration crisis started about three years ago, since the coronavirus pandemic everyone coming in is checked and travel has been restricted. in the lock down kindergartens and nurseries continued, along with public transport and logistics, taxis and roadworks and services, and the building industry and most amenities, supermarkets and pharmacy also were open, and a few appointed butiks,. schools and colleges were closed aswell as gyms and libraries, and restaurants and bars. we had social distance, but were encouraged to get out in the fresh air and excursions both walking and cycling,. I have lived North Jutland for 32 years, I am a kiwi from New Zealand!

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

there is a vaccine for the flu so getting vaccinated seems more logical than lock down right? So many deaths for no reason.

As Dr. Tegnell said it is very difficult to compare countries in this stage of this epidemic. And to only compare with neighboring countries with so far lower numbers of deaths that may be due to demographics(Sweden has double population of its neighbors as well as a older population, & thirdly Stockholm the by far hardest hit area is the biggest people concentration in the Nordic region). However Sweden without a strict lock down and no face mask use has a significantly lower death rate than, UK, Spain, Italy, France, Andorra, San Marino and about the same rates as Netherlands and Ireland which all have or have had a strict lock down and face mask use... It should not become a competition between countries and who does right or wrong it’s maybe more beneficial to study and learn from each other in finding out what works best a situation like this.

@birgitterosenkilde

4 жыл бұрын

You may be twice as big as Denmark but your populationsdensity is way lower. But our deathrate is way lower also if you count per capita.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

the lack of lockdown has nothing to do with anything. Its all about infection. Why are people arguing the whole right and wrong of lock downs when Swede has such a high death rate. That's the issue. People have died because of what Sweden did. Other countries have high death rates because the virus was allowed to spread. The places where it wasn't allowed to spread and it was contained quickly, has meant much fewer deaths. Simple.

@0xCAFEF00D

4 жыл бұрын

@@birgitterosenkilde Population density is not lower in the regions that are hit. Of course that also depends on how you divide. Sweden is huge for its population but we're not spread homogenous ly.

@tommygustafsson2981

4 жыл бұрын

Birgitte Nielsen The reflection was not about competing or competing about who’s right or wrong, that is not the issue now it may be more facts at hand to learn from when this hopefully is all over. Regarding density which is of course one parameter in this even though the STOCKHOLM region where more than 50% of all deaths in Sweden have occurred(1900 out of 3800) and being the most densely populated area in the Nordic region. The reflection was more about how come death rates in a country allowing primary & secondary schools to be open, where people are allowed to be outside and meet, still go into stores, restaurants etc (yet with recommendations to keep social distances, not travel if not necessary etc etc) are actually lower in a number of countries(Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, UK + Andorra San Marino)that have had or has imposed strict lock downs..? I would it to be followed up in order to try find out and hopefully learn from it to be prepared in the future. It’s not about blame or who’s doing better, Sweden did their mistakes like not protecting old people in nursing homes which should have been priority and probably could ha saved many lives as 50% of all deaths in Sweden(1900) occurred to those people. I wish that Denmark and all countries will be able to open up safely and hopefully with no dramatic rising numbers of infections or deaths and that people all over the world shun can resume their lives.

@tommygustafsson2981

4 жыл бұрын

Louise Windleborn premature assessments very often become yesterday’s errors. To know better what in the various measures and responses worked better or not will hopefully be an important learning once this is over. Still it’s a fact that several strict locked down countries has a significantly higher deat rate than Sweden and that should I believe be of interest to follow up on afterwards in order to understand and learn from. To blame Sweden for killing more people won’t change a thing, the Authority has admitted that they failed to protect older citizens in nursing homes where 50% of all deaths have occurred. Humans unfortunately make mistakes, there’s a lot of claims and examples throughout many countries during this situation and that’s of course very sad for all effected by it. But at this point as it has already happened and can’t be reversed it seems more important now and in the coming weeks/months to learn about what happened and why in order to learn important lessons to be better prepared to respond in a future new situation.

Love Anders Tegnell and Sweden's approach, makes total sense.

@oleksijm

4 жыл бұрын

You must be a Tory voter.

@Boss3n

4 жыл бұрын

@Andreas Glad Think you're the one who needs that actually.

Journalism at its worst. Why do journalists have to trick and attempt to agitate guests into falling into traps? BBC used to stand for something I was proud of but I’m embarrassed quite frankly. Well done Anders on staying calm and basically being an adult whilst a small child was calling you names lol

@johnmagee3444

4 жыл бұрын

It's called "HARDtalk" for a reason. The show has been on for ages and is well known for the style of interviews it does. Nobody is tricked. Guests are asked hard questions. Grow up.

@AizensChair

4 жыл бұрын

Get real. The interviewer is just doing his job. He's not exactly there to be nice to him.

@Lisa-my5sy

4 жыл бұрын

john magee that wasn’t “hard talk” it was over emotional narrative driving, especially since Sweden is not in the worst position and the U.K. is doing worse

🇸🇪Land of the free and home of the brave👍The only true democracy left!

@Perkelenaattori

4 жыл бұрын

Yes with 8% deathrates.

@bulletnutz6382

4 жыл бұрын

Only to the ingnorent🤣

I live in Sweden and I truly believe in our strategy of dealing with this pandemic situation. It´s not only about the virus, it´s about the sustainability of our way of living both during and after the pandemic. Our strategy prevent the most negative effects as we clearly can see happening in other parts of the world in the footsteps of COVID-19.

@johanngotlub7662

4 жыл бұрын

do you know that they are killing your elderly by giving them a cocktail of morphine, haldol and benzos instead of giving them oxygen?

@cyboman9171

4 жыл бұрын

Jennie Lai - I glad to hear that you believe in the Swedish Coronavirus Strategy. I'm an American, and we have politicians who have turned into dictators - and many of them profess to be "liberals"! I feel grateful that Sweden has taken a truly democratic approach to this crisis, treats its people as mature adults, and is not trying to frighten millions of people into compliance. And I'm reassured to hear that in Sweden, the government trusts the people, and the people trust the government. Thank you for your comment!

I believe Swedish approach is the most logical...Of course, many vulnerable people will die in early stage when there is no strict lock down. Time will tell. I am for Swedish approach.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

the evidence is already in about the initial approach being a failure. Long term consequences are unknown and can only be guessed. It won't be good for anyone. Including Sweden.

@chaostheory16

4 жыл бұрын

Louise Windleborn that’s like saying a knife owned by the suspect being found at a murder scene is enough evidence to convict them. Thank god that is not our standard of conviction in murder trials, as it shouldn’t be in public health “crises” where thousands or millions of lives are at stake on either end...because of the virus or the lockdown.

Well done Dr,Tegnell. Sweden is an excellent example of the best over all example of how to handle this pandemic. This interviewer does not understand how viruses work. The interviewer simple shows his incompetence on the topic.

6:05 This edit was awful. You didn't let him answer at all.

@yveeriksson6676

4 жыл бұрын

Bad interview "technique". If you are not interested in the answers don't waste Tegnells time.

@Stefanburakov

4 жыл бұрын

Must be the varians 😂😂😂

The interviewer likes the sound of his own voice more than hearing what Tegnell has to say. Removed from my flow.

@garyreynolds5733

4 жыл бұрын

@MAKE CHINA PAY I'm British. I lived in New Zealand for 6 years. China for ten years. I live in Portugal now. You're an embarrassment: The reason I don't want to live in the UK.

@roberteastwood6937

4 жыл бұрын

@MAKE CHINA PAY As has previously been pointed out -you need an education. No, Sweden does not have the highest per capita death. At present that honor seems to be with Belgium.Italy ,Spain and the UK. Are all worse as % of population.

This was a truly awful interview. I don't think I'll watch this programmne ever again.

Is the interviewer a cheerleader for strict lock downs. By the way the U.K. has the largest number of deaths in care homes and yet implemented a strict lock down. Tegnell should have nailed him with that.

@gtaylor178

4 жыл бұрын

The BBC should be "nailing" our government with that fact. These government restrictions are appalling and the propaganda machine on overdrive ( clapping the NHS as a dogma disturbs me greatly). Our NHS is so out of date in so many ways and needs to be modernised in so many areas. It needs more funding and medical led decision making. It all needs speeded up, response times, accountability, being able to see your GP, GP's coming to individuals homes when they are unable to go to the GP, time delays in being seen by a Consultant etc. The whole system is so outdated and stuck in its ways.

@oakstrong1

4 жыл бұрын

It isn't the fault of lockdown that is to be blamed: lockdowns work well if followed properly. Carehomes have a high death rate because PATIENTS WERE SENT BACK TO CARE HOMES EVEN WHEN THEY WERE KNOWN TO HAVE COVID, to clear space in hospitals for younger and more "viable" patients.

@jackwachtel-scott8000

4 жыл бұрын

Lock downs don't eliminate the disease they simply prolong it. Most epidemiologists agree that herd immunity or a safe effective vaccine are the answer. NOTE the word safe and effective because the only way I will take whatever Mickey Mouse vaccine is rushed out by the pharmaceutical companies solely for their own profit is if the vaccine is injected into my already cold and lifeless arm

@vasilikigad8364

4 жыл бұрын

Well I live in UK and we never had a serious lock down.. Everyone was out and about with noone checking them or controlling them

@jackhoward8

4 жыл бұрын

Lockdowns actually can be used to eliminate the disease, by reducing the spread, and eventually isolate the infected in hospitals, like China did. But it needs a lot of civil discipline and rigorous tests, that sadly not many people have, especially in democracy countries.

We will only know is Sweden's policy was the right one after every Nordic country has lifted all lockdown measures and the death toll (per capita) is counted. One thing why Sweden's system of voluntary social distancing is working is the trust the government enjoys because of its transparency, and the level of education received by all: a good education teaches critical thinking that acts as a prophylactic against conspiracy theories.

@DarthQueefious

4 жыл бұрын

"We will only know is Sweden's policy was the right one after every Nordic country has lifted all lockdown measures and the death toll (per capita) is counted. " Will take more than that. CV is likely to come back in the winter. You also need to take into account other deaths caused by the lockdown, and many of those will have a long lag, and you also need to look more deeply into the numbers than just "nordic". eg. Sweden has much larger care homes. The UK's voluntary social distancing was working too, as evidences by the peak not coinciding with the impact of the beginning of the lockdown. Turns out people don't tend to want to die. Conspiracy theorists are a tiny % of people.

When the journalist is mad at a scientist for not being totalitarian.

@カラスKarasu

4 жыл бұрын

It's like the whole world has gone mad 😭

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

When the "scientist" is a killer. Sweden has 380 deaths per million people, the 5th worst in the world. Denmark has 95 and Finland 54. Get some facts before posting.

@forstirrups7800

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun You're accusing Anders for being a killer. And then accuse Abdi for not getting facts. You must be totally insane.

At one point he’s insinuating that he’s a mass murderer. What is the point in this media? If he’s say the uk are any better he needs to check the numbers

Let’s see what the end figures are when all lockdown-immune compromised people start coming out. I hope Sweden carries on. I don’t think the mortality will be much different... It’s not finished yet!!!

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

This guy is a clown. Sweden has 380 deaths per million people, the 5th worst in the world. Denmark has 95 and Finland 54. Get some info before posting.

@hallelujah8141

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun - Are you an epidemiologist with all the years of experience he has? Do you know of all the societal differences between Sweden & Norway? Why do you think he's doing it? The Swedes will come out of this with their immune systems almost intact, as well as their economy, unlike the lockdown countries. The rest of you who've been under house arrest will likely have immune systems like newborns and could easily fall sick at the first cold... He's an expert who has seen this before. The media and health services have let us down by their false reporting... "There is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see..."

@Centrioless

4 жыл бұрын

@@hallelujah8141 has seen this before? In what case? Just tell us one case where natural herd immunity can be formed. Should i explain to you the case of dengue and flu? To make you easier to understand, yes they also both produce immunity on their host.

@0xCAFEF00D

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun You're spamming this everywhere. Please stop. Don't be a bot.

@66wow99

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun He acknowledged that the elderly/compromised should've been secured more effectively. You make it sound that every age demographic in Sweden was affected. It was NOT.

Sweden have actually done the world a favor by having the courage to go against the grain and try another route. We will be able to judge the results in a year or two...The virus is not going away mabe we get a vaccine....but maybe we don't. The odds are the virus will be with us for the rest of our lives, therefore we need to adapt and learn to live with it.

@sydvestjyden2095

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. We already has the first medical solutions

I'm Swedish and I support our strategy. I think it's important that people take personal responsability for hygene and social distancing. I'm a teacher in Stockholm and some of the children and colleagues got mild symptoms but everyone is fine now. Tg we kept our schools open! The death rate is 0,6%, but over 90% are over 70 and adviced to be in self quarantine. However, they can take walks outside if they avoid crowds. I'm afraid that many feel isolated though. The latest advice from the government is that ppl who have done tests and are not sick or have antibodies CAN visit their elderly relatives. The routines in nursing homes are getting much better and numbers going down stadily. We still can't have gatherings over 49 ppl. Our numbers of infected with mild symptoms are going up because we are testing more now but we have more anti bodies and the intensive care is getting better now when they have learned what works, so we are already down to about 15-20 new deaths from 80-100 a bit more than month ago. Some people do not respect the social distancing, I'm afraid, but the majority does. We all have to remind each other. I miss seeing some of my friends and inviting them home. Sometimes we take walks outside with 1,5 m apart or meet in a coffe shop, but of course without hugging. I don't think other nations need to be afraid of us. We have learned to stay home when we are sick. Please take care of yourselves out there! ❤️

Swedish government isn't allowed to order a shutdown, there is nothing in the Swedish law that would allow this during peacetime .

@jimmybundschuh8486

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Röhs I’m sure other governments have taken actions that violate their charter or constitutions. People in most of the world have proven they will take action to keep safe. Our governments should trust our people not violate our freedoms.

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

This is BS!!! All countries in the World can impose a lockdown in an emergency situation such as a pandemic.

@yourelawyered

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun I see you are a very well read constitutional expert lol

@Asa...S

4 жыл бұрын

@@UndertheTuscanSun Sweden has this thing called "Freedom of movement" in the constitution. During a pandemic it allows the government so quarantine sick people, or a certain smaller area, but not the healthy people, and not like an entire city or the entire country. It´s not possible to legally enforce a curfew and put fines on people for leaving their houses. That would be unconstitutional.

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

@@Asa...S All democracies in the world have this thing called "Freedom of movement" in the constitution. Are you serious?

Sweden is spot on. The virus doesnt just dissapear just with any virus. Flattening the curve just drags out the impact of the virus. Covid 19 will be around each year, a vaccine is likely to never be produced. We have never managed to produce a vaccine for the common cold (corona virus), influenza vaccine does not cover all strains and is 30 to 40% effective. There is consensus for Swedens policy, worldwide epidemiologists have similar views.

@petardstamo814

4 жыл бұрын

.....when you consider that amantadine has lost effectiveness against influ. type A and B because of resistance.

@NONcomD

4 жыл бұрын

Vaccine will be done for sure, the question is when. Oxford has a promise on autumn. This would make Sweden look very bad. And they bet on it. All responsible.goverments have to assume the vaccine will be made and stall time up to that in the safest least damaging way possible.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

@@NONcomD You are very right. There was no benefit in allowing the virus to spread out of control early. It seems the whole idea of "self responsibility" without clear guidance to stop the spread in Sweden has led to people not taking the risk seriously. Some may have but people had their own idea's about the risk and did their own thing. There has been a distinct lack of clear leadership. Tegnell has his own opinion which is different to other experts in his field of expertise. People aren't really listening to him anyway and have been too blinded by his personality that they aren't listening to what he is saying. Sweden failed to protect the elderly. He says that. It wasn't his area of expertise and he only assumed people would be okay. He was wrong. He admits that and people aren't hearing that part. Anyway its good news to know the vaccines are proving to be moving ahead in a positive way.

@KatarinaBergstrom-ti1vn

4 жыл бұрын

No this is horrific. I live here. No Testing available and people dying in heaps

@williamsutherland9669

4 жыл бұрын

@@KatarinaBergstrom-ti1vn Interesting, a different perception.

The death curve. The numers in Sweden are the same in the whole of Sweden as the other nordic countries. Exactly. The problem is in Stockhokm. BUT Stockholm has the bad numbers. Ethnic groups and elderly homes got the virus. BUT the rest of Sweden is the same as the nordic countries. So it's the numbers from Stockholm that makes the total numbers as high.

@thomaspetersen9991

4 жыл бұрын

Not tru. Sweden is much more dead. Denmark had 0 dead the last 24 houers. We dont want to open the borders to sweden and why you think

@meoline_y

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomaspetersen9991 Do you think that those in care homes would be travelling to Denmark? Sweden has a much higher population than Denmark.

@meoline_y

4 жыл бұрын

​@@thomaspetersen9991 Many of Sweden's official deaths have been recorded in care homes but many countries in Europe only count deaths in hospital towards their official death tolls..

@TB1M1

4 жыл бұрын

@@meoline_y Not anymore all the rates have been standardised.

@johanjohansson7717

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Petersen Dont worry Thomas, if I want to go on a vacation, I dont choose Denmark! 😀 No, just kidding, Denmark is great! 🇸🇪🇩🇰🇸🇪

This interview was 1 year ago. I agree with the Swedish scientist - no isolation and not many restrictions is the only one way to keep people healthy menthally and phisically. If we look at Denmark, people there are under enormous pressure and restrictions and are preparing for the third wave, like many EU countries. And Yes, we can not stop Covid-19 and we will learn to live with it -this man just predicted future and now all news 1 year later start telling the same. Amazing positive Sweden. 100% Respect!

Bravo Dr. Tegnell, who handled the hard-ball questions with grace and ease.

The reporter is horrible, talk about biased 🤦🏽‍♀️😱

@fzconsulting6926

4 жыл бұрын

I found it so hard to watch it because of the biased. The media certainly loves lockdowns and draconian measures

@deny73

4 жыл бұрын

It’s called Hardtalk He’s asking the tough questions, this is what should be done in an interview perhaps your to used to those at Fox News coddling Trump and his administration.

@0xEdwoods

4 жыл бұрын

It's because there is no evidence that lockdown works, and every country that did is just trying to cover the fact they've made a decision out of pure panic and hysteria and caused death and destruction to there country/population, so now they need to stand by it at all costs.

@uclalse

4 жыл бұрын

“The reporter”? It is Stephen Sackur. Very famous BBC interviewer!

@uclalse

4 жыл бұрын

Edwoods Why do you think there should be evidence? There has not been an epidemic for 100 years. Sweden has currently the highest daily death rate per day in the world! Yes, I am from Sweden.

Horrible interviewer, very arrogant! Very patient Mr. Tegnell!

@nickclarkuk

4 жыл бұрын

This is how tough questions are asked . Do you not have similar journalists in your country ? This is “hard talk “ . The point is to pull no punches .

@majorkey9010

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickclarkuk I don't think that arrogance is journalistic quality to get good information.

South Korea never had a lockdown. Everything is open and functioning. They did extend the school vacation and kept schools closed but thats all. Rest of the country continues to function normally, restaurants and cafes are open and full of people and all that with a fraction of deaths... It’s not only Sweden. Other countries are doing it successfully too

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

If Sweden was better prepared, with better contact tracing and way more tests in the early stage and if the authorities had demanded people to wear masks, limited crowd gatherings to 10 people at the most early on, maybe that would have worked out...

The only question that needs be asked is did they manage to not overwhelm their healthcare system as well as they had figured. And that’s it. I’ll tell you this much for sure though, the USA is well on its way to increasing its debt burden more than 3 years worth of tax receipts for partially locking the country down. And ain’t none of it over yet. So hold judgement there folks on poor little Sweden.

Arrogant reporter asking "feeling" questions trying to get a reaction. Only time will tell if Sweden made right choices, but impressed by their view of personal responsibility. Shutting down the economy has many bad side effects that only in time will be understood. They may end up worse than the disease.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

why did Tegnell agree to be interviewed by "Hard Talk" if he didn't expect hard talk and to answer hard questions. There are a few really sensitive sorts commenting about the interviewer being mean. Part of me wants to tell people to grow up. When a person is considered an expert and makes recommendations that leads to people dying, I would hope he can answer hard questions about why he did that and how he feels about it now so many have lost their lives. He places the blame on others.

The problem with lockdown lovers is that they try to behave like locking down people has almost no negative effect like increased suicides, deaths due to reduced health, depression, unemployment.etc.

@SomeOnesSon80

4 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Taiwan and New Zealand then.

Sweden is much larger than scandanavian neighbours. Sweden has large old age homes. Was this an interview or an accusation.

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sweden is larger, so better to instead compare deaths per capita: Sweden has 9 times more deaths than Norway per capita, 7 times more than Finland and 4 times more than Denmark. All have share of elderly deaths hovering around 85-90 % and Norway has an even higher share of their deaths coming from nursing homes; 60% v Swedens 52%.

Well well, two months on now and Sweden is doing pretty good. Infection numbers and deaths way down and the economy is not in tatters like in all the Lockdown countries. Ask yourself: Come autumn and winter, where would you prefer to be? In Sweden or in any of the Lockdown countries praying for that vaccine to arrive?

Needlessly combative and accusatory 'gotcha' journalism. The tone of the interviewer through the whole thing was irritating me. This is why people are turning off from the BBC.

@Paxmax

4 жыл бұрын

It is HARDtalk, not snowflake cuddle time.

@garyreynolds5733

4 жыл бұрын

This format has been a standalone programme for what seems like decades. I have been watching HardTalk for years and years and years. It's the only programme on the BBC which is this pushy. But you're wrong to think it's about gotcha. It's about holding folks to account. And when they end, they often congratulate the interviewee. This is interviewing for grown-ups. And he actually does allow interviewees to expand, to counter and to state their case. You clearly like many, misunderstood the format and did not watch to the end.

This is not an interview is a round of accusations against Tegnell, and on top with an offensive and bulling tone. ridiculous. Wait end of the year and then everything will be more clear

@hn3864

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, very clear 👌

Okay, so in Sweden, people stay home when they're sick. But do they *know* they're sick? Are they testing enough for asymptomatic people to know that they're sick, in order to stay home soon enough? If they do that, it's essentially a lockdown for everybody who tests positive, with everybody getting tested, which means no herd immunity. Herd immunity requires that the virus be spread, which requires that sick people who are asymptomatic spread it to others, before they have symptoms. He's very vague on the issue of herd immunity. But I think he makes a good point about the citizens of Sweden being cooperative. I suspect that this works better in Sweden because of the *culture* in Sweden.

@lwaters3100

4 жыл бұрын

And so you're implying that people in ALL the other countries do NOT know they're sick?????? Are you implying that other countries are testing asymptomatic people, because I can assure you that they are NOT

The interviewer is an absolute jerk. Not worth watching. I’m glad Sweden has stood firm.

@user-fg3xp2ep6x

4 жыл бұрын

Thank​ you!!! I​ thought​ i​ Was​ the​ only​one​ who thought​ the interviewer​ ​was​ a​ ​pompous condescending.ass!!!!

Anders is very sound in logic and makes complete sense 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@Perkelenaattori

4 жыл бұрын

Except that he's failed. Antibody tests in Stockholm revealed 7% had them so no herd immunity.

@andimin480

4 жыл бұрын

@@Perkelenaattori Tegnell is lying the whole time ❗ he's crazy❗

@akisantoniou2913

4 жыл бұрын

The man is criminally stubborn and the price is unfortunately very high. The sooner this is realised the better.

@Lisa-my5sy

4 жыл бұрын

Perkelenaattori not nearly enough time

@thomasjohansson5045

4 жыл бұрын

Perkelenaattori That test measured the beginning of April. The numbers are much higher now almost two months later. It was just a snapshot of the situation and is useful to make predictions from. To talk about failure, like you are, is way premature. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

The interviewer's obvious pro-lockdown bias is clearly evident. Way to go Anders! I would have lost my patience.

@lynnekaluzniak1894

4 жыл бұрын

Darren Thompson He is just asking tough questions...it’s HARD talk. The doctor was not offended. He needs to answer these tough questions just as all leaders do.

@TB1M1

4 жыл бұрын

He asked the right questions. Cases and deaths haven't dropped significantly. Cases haven't dropped at all.

@rpinola

4 жыл бұрын

Just so you know the idea of BBC hardtalk is to have an opposing points

@relobmit

4 жыл бұрын

The BBC is the enemy of the British people.

@UndertheTuscanSun

4 жыл бұрын

This guy is a clown. Sweden has 380 deaths per million people, the 5th worst in the world. Denmark has 95 and Finland 54. Get some info before posting.

Rename this BBC show to from Hard talk to Rude Talk! Maybe learn to Listen to the interviewee and show a little respect and not talk over people when you have no knowledge yourself.

This reporter doesn’t realise that Canada also went into a strict and severe lockdown and still had massive outbreaks in care homes, to the point that the Canadian military was summoned into them in Ontario and Quebec.

He has always said that the strategy was to protect the at risk. That they only see it ending when herd immunity is reached.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

well so far after 4k deaths, you now have 7.5% immunity. The figures are in. So was it worth it?

This BBC propagandists doing what he does best..

Message to Tegnell -- Tell the Swedish people to put on a god-damned mask before going out -- at least the people working in the stores, not to mention doctors and dentists. Social distancing doesn't work, because the Swedish people don't follow the rules. So, give them new rules, please!

How about England that has a higher incidence than Sweden?? BBC and CNN are very similar and both must be in love with Stephen Sackur

jesus, this guy loves lockdowns

@andimin480

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus Tegnell's loves deaths.

@chaostheory16

4 жыл бұрын

Andi Min hey Einstein, Sweden’s death rate per capita is almost half what the UK’s is.

"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold." -Helen Keller 1. How will the countries that implemented lockdown going to get out of lockdown? (since there is no vaccine in the near future) 2. If they have not been infected with the virus (during the lockdown) how will the population in these countries respond to the virus once the measures are lifted since they don't have any immunity whatsoever? 3. What % of the population has been tested in the countries which implemented the lockdown? (This is necessary to know how immune they are, so that once the measures are lifted they will not get sick and/or spread the virus to other people (rest of the population))? 4. What is the "infection fatality rate" for covid19 so that extended lockdowns be justified scientifically? 5. Has there been any large RCT to support that lockdowns are evidence based medicine? 6. Did the countries that implemented lockdowns take into account the consequences of lockdown in the population in the long term other than covid19 deaths? 7. Has there been any harm/benefit analysis of this intervention? 8. Did the countries respect/realize the recommendation from the WHO that "lockdowns were a short term action to ramp up capacity of health care structures" and "not a cure for covid19" and that "slow of spreading" was a "byproduct of lockdowns" and not the primary goal?

@gregdenys7162

4 жыл бұрын

You are a reasoning imbecile.

@stupidas9466

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, South Korea...Taiwan...Finland...Norway...Iceland...New Zealand...Australia...Iceland...Hong Kong...etc etc

@isaksworldoffunplushpals3223

4 жыл бұрын

Ahm.. You open up bit by bit and the few cases that come, you isolate. You can not be that stupid not to understand such a logical thing. Look at Slovenia with like no new cases and New Zeeland. People coming in are tested and can come into the country of healthy. How hard is it to understand?!

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

Yep countries are doing really well and coming out of lock downs and can track new infections. Oxfords vaccine is proving to be going really well and has gone to the next stage of human trials. Have you thought of the impact of the Swedish strategy on your ability to travel to other countries and your reputation around the world? So many Swedes attitudes have been very poor towards other countries and the choices made to protect their citizens. You may not be welcome in many countries and that may impact on your economy more than anything else.

I love it that Sweden decided to err on the side of Democracy & Freedom.

great respect and admiration for Dr. Tegnell and Dr. Johan Giesecke, as well as the Swedish government and people for the maturity and wisdom shown throughout, in stark contrast to the headless chicken syndrome displayed by much of the western media, the media's medical "experts" and, last but not least, governments..

Herd immunity is a byproduct of infection, not a strategy.

@lwaters3100

4 жыл бұрын

It is BOTH

Sweden has a different way of recording covid deaths than for example denmark. If a person dies with the virus that will be stated as the reason even if they are terminal ill and dies of a heartattack. A lot of information will come out the next many months/years

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

That is tru, there is probably undercounting in Denmark, but not by much. They have almost no excess death in the last two months while Sweden does have plenty.

@johannalindkvist4327

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, also, a lot of countries only record people that die from covid in hospitals while Sweden counts everyone that dies with the virus in their bodies, no matter where they die and also later adds poeple where a doctor has stated on their death certificate that they died of covid even if they were not tested.

@ritahorvath8207

4 жыл бұрын

I only trust Belgium counting correct. They count deaths with symptoms, without post mortem testing. I doubt the numbers of the rest of the world, especially Sweden, Hungary, Russia and China.

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

@@ritahorvath8207 You should reasonably trust the number of Covid deaths in Sweden more than most countries. Their registered Covid deaths correlate with their excess deaths, just as with Belgium.

@2othor

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis are you being brainwashed by Tegnell in Sweden? I know he tells you Sweden count dead cases correct, while a lot of countries doesn't. Denmark count dead cases the same way as Sweden's Folkhälsomyndighet and follows the recommendation from WHO. Here is a citation from the Danish Statens Serum Institut who has the statistical responsibility in Denmark. "Opgørelsen omfatter dødsfald, der er registreret indenfor 30 dage efter påvist COVID-19-infektion. COVID-19 er ikke nødvendigvis den tilgrundliggende årsag til dødsfaldet. Information om dødsfaldet er hentet fra CPR-registret og Dødsårsagsregistret. Dato for dødsfald kan i få tilfælde ændre sig i opgørelsen over tid, når informationen om dødsfaldet er komplet." Link: www.ssi.dk/sygdomme-beredskab-og-forskning/sygdomsovervaagning/c/covid19-overvaagning (look under dødsfald). So if a person in Denmark dies within 30 days after a COVID-19 positive test, the death is counted as COVID-19 death, independent of underlying courses. This is done for all deaths in hospitals, elder caring homes, and in own homes.

I dig the strategy of our Swedish authorities. As Tegnell says, the future will teach us more. What I find a bit shocking is the resistance to looking at and using meds lika hydrochloroquin combined with zink and other meds. Also to looking into the role of inflammation in the deaths and serious cases of Covid 19. As always vitamin C is like a dirty word... tiresome. Not closing schools was an act of bravery! Applause! Hope it does not back fire but I’d be surprized. 🙏🏽

@forstirrups7800

4 жыл бұрын

But Emma, don't you know that treating covid-19 with hydrochloroquin can cause more deaths? www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31174-0/fulltext

the guy is not listening..nursing home is supposed to take care themselves..nothing to do with lock down others

"In Sweden we don't wear face masks, we stay home when we sick" what about the asymptomatic spreaders who don't know they are sick? Most people are staying home in Sweden and most live alone so no one in house to spread to... Hardly a model which will work anywhere... Just remind me how many people live in the same houses around the world? Sweden has not seen a peak which is concerning because their first wave is lasting much longer and causing more death...

@veronicavollertsen346

4 жыл бұрын

If you are out and about, you should always try to stay about 2 metres (6 feet or so) from other people. Then if they sneeze (or you sneeze), you are out of the way and hopefully you don't infect anyone. That is social distancing. Don't sit too close on the public transport or in in restaurants and keep the distance in shops and queues. Then you can be pretty safe.

@gideonkaufmann1899

4 жыл бұрын

@Simon Farre where are you from? Single person households would dramatically reduce the R0, most countries do not have a situation like that, which is already a disadvantage

@gideonkaufmann1899

4 жыл бұрын

@@veronicavollertsen346 a sneeze or cough and general talking without a mask can make 2m not enough... The mask is very important to the equation.

@gideonkaufmann1899

4 жыл бұрын

@Simon Farre if you look at comparable population countries to Sweden, they have at least half the cases and 20 times less deaths and they are closer back to normal than Sweden. Sweden still has had no peak in their first wave nor is the tail forming for the end of it.... All for an assumption they have 20% immunity from a very small sample in the serological tests... I would trust the Spanish serological tests before the Swedish...

@lwaters3100

4 жыл бұрын

Did you NOT hear or NOT understand. Tegnell said they HAVE peaked & cases REDUCING

How beneficial it is to listen to the leading swedish epidemiologist, thank you Dr. Tegnell. I wish I had been a Swede in the past 2 months and would not have to live in one of the other countries where we had to blindly follow the counterproductive and for many people deadly instructions from governments.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

Do you not see that this all doesn't make sense. People are saying to stay open and avoid deaths. Sweden has a high death rate. Places that locked down once the virus had spread have a high death rate. The common factor is the infection. Not the lockdown. In fact the lock down has nothing to do with the deaths. I don't know how people are rationalising no lockdown being a success when so many have died.

I feel the policy of trust of people is the only way to go. It is also a way of following the constitution in a correct way, to not take away freedom in a country without legal basis.

@lulunz6809

4 жыл бұрын

Well not killing other people seems a pretty legit reason to draw a line in the sand as far as freedom goes. Obviously people don't value everyones freedom there. Just some peoples freedom.

I admire this man’s patience to put up with this BBC (pompous ) interviewer for as long as he did . He showed great restraint and great wisdom . Loved that fact that he did not let this so called interviewer upset him, because I was certainly irritated . Good for Sweden for thinking outside the box !

Elderly people in elderly homes receive no care, no oxygen, only morphine and sedatives, they are suffocated to death, alone Home service and care staff at the residence are denied protective equipment such as face mask and clothing

@muridae83

4 жыл бұрын

True reasons why Sweden failed. It wouldnt have mattered if sweden did a hard lockdown when elderly ppl comes in contact with 50 people each week and have such policies as you mentioned.

This interview is abhorrently disgusting when the interviewer clearly had his agenda to push forward instead of trying to engage in the discussion.

@bobgillis1137

4 жыл бұрын

That is what mainstream news is: agenda-driven. The other feel-good stories are just for show.

there is a wonderful Russian proverb: "The chickens should be counted only in autumn". The Covit-19 story has not been finished yet. the death toll in Swedena nd the other countries should be compared a bit later, at least 14 days after all the lockdown restrictions will be completely eased and people will start to communicate as usual.

I am from Sweden but live abroad. I have been in lockdown for 2 months, and it is not the solution. We can not give up our lives and stay inside forever. We need to do certain things to slow down and stop the spread of the virus. Also, it's retarded to wear a mask when your walking in a park. Wear one when you're in a grocery store.

2:49 This is not the truth. The Swedish Public Health Agency told the BBC that 48.9% of deaths were care home residents up to and including 14 May. The share in Norway is 59,2 % up to today (20 May).

@kimmorauhala702

4 жыл бұрын

In Finland 2/3 to the deaths were over 80 year olds, not exactly the same, but that’s not where the big difference is in Nordic countries.

@doriskapla9643

4 жыл бұрын

In Norway there care homes are very small, I think only 20/home. In Sweden there is no such limit and that’s part of the reason

@hakanpetersson2662

4 жыл бұрын

@@doriskapla9643 Is that why Norways nursing homes share of the deaths is higher? I think not. Norway has in a sense failed to protect its elderly, just like Sweden. Unlike Sweden though it went much further to slow down the spread in the whole of society, and that is probably why you see much less deaths in numbers of elderly but not in share.

@griegs2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@hakanpetersson2662 This exactly what I mean. Very well explained, thanks!

The BBC is terrible. This highly doctored, highly edited interview by the overly aggressive interviewer just shows how low the BBC has sunk. Low rate, got ya journalism. Really embarrassing

It is "funny" there is 1 other country in Europe that does not have any restricitions at all, who does know wich one ?.... probaby nearly nobody, as the media just does not dare to talk about it... In Belarus there was a huge gathering on the 9.5. a national parade with 1000s of people and now 2 weeks later, no significant increase on deathtoll, but of course you will never ever, read or listen of this in the media......

@deviantoutcast

4 жыл бұрын

I of course and whole-heartedly hope everyone in Belarus is, and will continue to be, ok, healthy and most of all alive. However, two weeks isn't by far enough time passed by in order to draw any conclusions, or make any assumptions or finite any statements regarding the effects of such a gathering on the rate of deaths or the furthering of the spred. Firstly due to us not yet knowing Covid19's incubation time - the duration of time from being infected by the virus to the outbreak of first symptoms could easily amount to at least a week or longer. Then we have to remember that the time from first symptoms to recovery is about two weeks - and that the absolute majority of those infected doesn't die or even require medical care or hospitalization; the symptoms and their intensity ranges from something akin to a common seasonal cold or the flu -- or it can end suffocating to death in a hospital bed before ones last big journey: that to the funerary parlor. The danger and problem with mass gathering of people, such as the nation parade you're speaking of, isn't masstacking of dead bodies in the streets days - or even weeks - after and the greatest danger it's really, primarilly, to those who attended the gathering; it's to all those those people will infect in turn, the exponentialy, continously increasing amount of people falling ill, which will include medical personel amongst others while the need for healthy and able personel - as well as hospital beds and medical supplies from anastesia for the critically ill to ease the pain of life's last couple of hours or days, to bedlinnen, toiletpaper and protective cothing, only increases. In short: gathering in the thousands for a national parade in the mids of an actual, ongoing worldwide pandemic is shortsighted, ill-adviced, and irresponsible by each and every grown person who involves themselves in such a trivial matter and that goes for politicians in charge as well as parade participants and visitors. That said, i do truely, as I stated in the "prologue", hope everyone in Belarus, will remain healthty, and alive!

@Sonjaarmisen

4 жыл бұрын

@@deviantoutcast hi Deviant, you are right with the fact, that such big gatherings should "probably" not be held in such a situation. But nevertheless it shows us that the virus seems not to be so terribly contactious as predicted in the begining. Therefore Sweden has the best policy in my opinion.

the state of Victoria had the strictest lock up strategy in Australia , they now have the highest rate of official infection in the country . highest by FAR . there is much more to this handling this matter than just locking people inside a box .

Why we didn’t have a guy like this in Uk ..I’m not talking about the interviewer,that one is terrible man ..

@williamlovelady7217

4 жыл бұрын

Evelyn Palacios I would definitely trust this man more than the muppets that we have. He is very honest and obviously very clever.

@georgt2171

4 жыл бұрын

Very clever indeed! He made Sweden number 1 of covid-19 deaths per capita in the world! What an amazing man! Imagine having the same in UK! 40,000 deaths! Anders failed and he's forbidden to admit it. Look at the numbers for Norway or Denmark, the numbers are 10-20 times lower than Sweden. It's absurd. He also says the face-masks are stupid. "Smart" man

@luckyapple2655

4 жыл бұрын

Gee. Steve should 've been lock down!!!

This interviewer is just trying to do a hatchet job. He has no interest in a conversation or logic.

Sweden, without a strict lockdown has had 38 deaths per 100,000 of population. The UK, with its full lockdown has had 54. Sweden is willing to admit its mistakes in not adequately protecting the elderly. I think we can and should learn a lot from Sweden’s approach and honesty.

I'm surprised to see so much criticism of the interviewer in the comments. It wouldn't be much of a "hard talk" if he didn't press on a bit, don't you think? I agree it wasn't the best form of interview to listen to, but it sounds as if that's part of the course for this show's MO.